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(Gawker)   Occupy Wall Street protester sentenced to seven years for elbowing a police officer after he grabbed her boob, therefore left wing activists are just as violent as right wing activists and Darren Huff is automatically president   (gawker.com) divider line 270
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2014-05-07 11:02:36 AM  

liam76: When people break the law and resist cops when they are arrested for it, I am ok with police using more force.


heil heil heil heil HEIL

Dude, you went there.
 
2014-05-07 11:03:27 AM  

liam76: BeesNuts: A guy, possibly affiliated with OWS, possibly just there, shat on one cop car. I'm sure drug dealing went on, but again, just because a drug dealer notices a 'target rich environment' doesn't mean the occupy movement was "dealing drugs, looting and robbing nearby local businesses, shiatting in public everywhere and raping each other."

I never sadi theyw ere dealing drugs, I said it went on during the protests.


BeesNuts: "Oh I agree with them 100%, but everything they do is wrong and illegal

Fixed that to reflect what I actually said.

You are lying again when you say "everything they do is wrong and illegal".

You linked what I said, you know you are pulling it out of your ass.

BeesNuts: and while the police weren't always correct for spraying them with pepper spray, arresting them en masse and hitting them with stuff, it's what happens when you break the law." people.

One true thing, holy shiat that is amazing.

When people break the law and resist cops when they are arrested for it, I am ok with police using more force.

BeesNuts: The main point I'm trying to make is that there was a concerted effort to avoid conversation about what OWS was saying by pointing out everything they were doing.

The point you are making is that you will lie about what people said and what they are saying now to aqvoid any conversation on if OWS made the right moves.


BeesNuts: You were part of that effort, and remain such to this day.

I ma and have been open to conversations on theri goals.

The only people sidetracking it now is clowns like yourself who biatch, lie and whine abotu how unfair media was about their actions instead oftalking about goals.

One of your very few honest comments was that I support their goals, yet you are sitting here crying and lying abotu what I said with regards tot ehir actiosn rather than discussing their goals.


Ok, it's entirely possible you just really like to argue with people.  Whatever.  I mentioned that I got your position *in this thread* confused with another.  I'll name him if it makes you feel better.  Nemo's Brother.

That doesn't absolve you of your strange position on OWS.  You're very open to their goals, sure.  I think we all are, and anyone who says otherwise is lying or in a position to gain from the status quo.  Then why do you only comment vaguely on those goals, but very specifically on the failings of the movement?  When people, myself included, were trying to engage in discussion about their goals, it was like running into a solid wall of ridicule.  Now you wanna talk about their goals?  What did you think of Strike Debt/Rolling Jubilee?  The Other 98% in Manhattan?  You want to talk about capital gains tax reform, or common sense regulation of the financial sector?  You never seem to want to talk about those things.

But you do support their goals.
 
2014-05-07 11:04:25 AM  

Headso: mrshowrules: LIke I said, I'm not sure what your point is about OWS but if you are concerned with the growing income/wealth gap, you are in the majority.

I disagree, how can people be that concerned with wealth inequality if they are electing the people they elect and shopping at the places they shop. it's easy to say you are concerned in a poll but then you go out and vote with both your wallet and your ballot for growing wealth inequality.


Because people are too stupid to realize they have a right to be part of the ruling class. Occupy's headless strategy (which had to be concocted by someone) rendered the movement pointless. It could easily have become a party, built a platform, and elected nobody candidates to local offices. Instead they were focused on bullshiat like how to fight the cops.
 
2014-05-07 11:04:43 AM  

Lenny_da_Hog: The video is pretty damning, and doesn't support her titty-twister tale.


Dude, after having to suffer through pages of you defending that cop who maced the protesters in California, any judgment or opinion from you regarding OWS is highly suspect.

Yes, I know you hated those hippies and how dare they.

Tough shiat.
 
2014-05-07 11:06:04 AM  

BeesNuts: If The Majority, had used their energy to voice support for what they ostensibly support


They would have been drowned out by all the morons (and I suspect you were one of them) crying that unilatterally occupying parks for days on end, blocking traffic, refusing to disperse, etc all falls under peaceable assembly and that people stopping them are symptoms of a police state and a conspiracy to shut down the message.

OWS got attention, and their "fans" and them instead of using that attention to work towards their goals they made it about supporting occupy as legal protest, and rejecting having a main message.
 
2014-05-07 11:07:25 AM  

whidbey: liam76: When people break the law and resist cops when they are arrested for it, I am ok with police using more force.

heil heil heil heil HEIL

Dude, you went there.


And liam, I want you to know I have nothing to do with this guy...
 
2014-05-07 11:08:41 AM  

liam76: BeesNuts: If The Majority, had used their energy to voice support for what they ostensibly support

They would have been drowned out by all the morons (and I suspect you were one of them) crying that unilatterally occupying parks for days on end, blocking traffic, refusing to disperse, etc all falls under peaceable assembly and that people stopping them are symptoms of a police state and a conspiracy to shut down the message.

OWS got attention, and their "fans" and them instead of using that attention to work towards their goals they made it about supporting occupy as legal protest, and rejecting having a main message.


This means you're not really familiar with their message.
 
2014-05-07 11:08:53 AM  

BeesNuts: whidbey: liam76: When people break the law and resist cops when they are arrested for it, I am ok with police using more force.

heil heil heil heil HEIL

Dude, you went there.

And liam, I want you to know I have nothing to do with this guy...


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2014-05-07 11:09:45 AM  

Headso: BeesNuts: whidbey: liam76: When people break the law and resist cops when they are arrested for it, I am ok with police using more force.

heil heil heil heil HEIL

Dude, you went there.

And liam, I want you to know I have nothing to do with this guy...

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preeeeetty much.
 
2014-05-07 11:11:31 AM  

BeesNuts: Headso: BeesNuts: whidbey: liam76: When people break the law and resist cops when they are arrested for it, I am ok with police using more force.

heil heil heil heil HEIL

Dude, you went there.

And liam, I want you to know I have nothing to do with this guy...

[assets-s3.usmagazine.com image 640x482]

preeeeetty much.


Whatever. You're obviously a masochist for continuing the discussion.
 
2014-05-07 11:13:22 AM  

whidbey: BeesNuts: Headso: BeesNuts: whidbey: liam76: When people break the law and resist cops when they are arrested for it, I am ok with police using more force.

heil heil heil heil HEIL

Dude, you went there.

And liam, I want you to know I have nothing to do with this guy...

[assets-s3.usmagazine.com image 640x482]

preeeeetty much.

Whatever. You're obviously a masochist for continuing the discussion.


Like you're one to talk.
 
2014-05-07 11:17:42 AM  

BeesNuts: whidbey: BeesNuts: Headso: BeesNuts: whidbey: liam76: When people break the law and resist cops when they are arrested for it, I am ok with police using more force.

heil heil heil heil HEIL

Dude, you went there.

And liam, I want you to know I have nothing to do with this guy...

[assets-s3.usmagazine.com image 640x482]

preeeeetty much.

Whatever. You're obviously a masochist for continuing the discussion.

Like you're one to talk.


Dude, we're actually on the same side. You're not going to win the argument here. You are engaging someone who can't stand real democracy in action, and that's why his comments are ultimately defending the police state.

Typical of most OWS haters. At least here.
 
2014-05-07 11:17:54 AM  
BeesNuts:

The problem wasn't how they conducted themselves, it's how people just outright HATED them for some reason.

Because they committed the unforgivable vile crime of mildly inconveniencing them.
 
2014-05-07 11:21:21 AM  

whidbey: liam76: When people break the law and resist cops when they are arrested for it, I am ok with police using more force.

heil heil heil heil HEIL

Dude, you went there.


No you went there because you are too simple to honestly resopond to any idea you don't like so you continually Godwin things.

If somebody says they are ok with police using force after a protest blocks traffic, refuses to disperse, and actively resists and your first respons is to cry Nazi, you have issues.


BeesNuts: That doesn't absolve you of your strange position on OWS.


Nothing stragen about it.

I can like a groups goals, but not support them having stupid idea on what constitutes peaceable assembly.


BeesNuts: When people, myself included, were trying to engage in discussion about their goals, it was like running into a solid wall of ridicule.


You mean like in this thread where you immedaitely defended the movements methods blamed everyone else for failing and didn't mention anything specific about heir goals?


BeesNuts: Now you wanna talk about their goals?


Now? WIth you ? Not really.

You lied about my position (and only just now admitted it) and then when called out on it searched through my posts and lied about what Is aid in the past.

Now you are pretending you did want to talk about their goals, but you very Boobies (and every subsequesnt post) has been you defending their methods.
 
2014-05-07 11:23:21 AM  

liam76: If somebody says they are ok with police using force after a protest blocks traffic, refuses to disperse, and actively resists and your first respons is to cry Nazi, you have issues.


Yeah. I have issues with people who support police brutality. Most of us want less of it our society. You're stating that it's sometimes OK. Especially with hippies, apparently.
 
2014-05-07 11:23:59 AM  

Wendy's Chili: mrshowrules: Wendy's Chili: Headso: mrshowrules: LIke I said, I'm not sure what your point is about OWS but if you are concerned with the growing income/wealth gap, you are in the majority.


I disagree, how can people be that concerned with wealth inequality if they are electing the people they elect and shopping at the places they shop. it's easy to say you are concerned in a poll but then you go out and vote with both your wallet and your ballot for growing wealth inequality.

Wedge issues. They're called "wedge issues" because they drive a wedge between individuals who would otherwise agree with each other. Many conservative voters see their votes for Republicans as votes to end abortion, stop gay marriage, or protect the Second Amendment. I can't imagine very many go to the polls thinking, "Yeah, I'm going to make things more unequal!"

Good point.  There should be two elected Governments.  One for social issues and one for economic issues.

I don't know about all that. Think about all the people you know who describe themselves as "socially liberal, but fiscally conservative". We all be able to get gay married, but none of us will be able to afford the wedding.

There's also a large contingent of socially conservative economic populists out there. That's why Rick Santorum scares me. He dipped his toes into the economic populism pool toward the end of the 2012 primaries, and he recently came out in not-complete-opposition to raising the minimum wage. People brush him off because of his paleoconservative social views, but they forget that many in middle America share those views. If he gets the nod and the Democrats nominate someone with strong ties to Wall Street, like Clinton or Cuomo, we're going to have an interesting fight on our hands.


Another good point.  Santorum is probably one of the few Republicans that could pull off the "working man's champion" with some credibility.

I just never understood how homophobia got linked with less taxes for the rich

Conversely how:  cutting fossil fuel burning means you have to be for affirmative action
 
2014-05-07 11:26:33 AM  
Article: An Occupy Wall Street activist faces up to seven years in prison

Headline: Occupy Wall Street protester sentenced to seven years

I say this with all sincerity - fark you to whichever mod greenlit this. Seriously. I know that inaccurate and misleading headlines are often used for humor, or hyperbole, or clickbait, but this is just some stupid shiat right here.
 
2014-05-07 11:27:26 AM  

BeesNuts: This means you're not really familiar with their message


Maybe, but then your whole point of most people agreeing with them is wrong.

I agree that the level of economic inequality in the US is wrong.

I agree that the level private money on govt politics is wrong.

I agree that the way many industries are getting rich at the expense of the american public and govt is wrong.

And in case that comes off as a bit teatardy-ish I thinnk higher taxes on the rish and better financial regulation, and incentives for green energy is the way to fix it.

That is why I say I agree with them in general. Now if that isn't their main message. If there main message is closer to "communes run by consensus shoudl be how we run the US" then fark them (but still hats off for getting economic inequality in the political lexicon for the average joe).

whidbey: You are engaging someone who can't stand real democracy in action


Real democracy in action according to whidbey-mob rule by people he likes.
 
2014-05-07 11:27:33 AM  

Cathedralmaster: tbeatty: Her problem is turning down a misdemeanor plea bargain

She wasn't offered a misdemeanor plea bargain:

McMillan rejected an earlier offer from prosecutors for her to plead guilty to a charge of second-degree assault of a police officer, which would have still resulted in her being classed as a felon,

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/may/05/occupy-wall-street-ceci ly -mcmillan-guilty-assaulting-police-officer


Has tbeatty ever made a simple assertion of fact that in fact turned out to be a fact?

If so, I don't recall seeing it.
 
2014-05-07 11:29:28 AM  

Ctrl-Alt-Del: Article: An Occupy Wall Street activist faces up to seven years in prison

Headline: Occupy Wall Street protester sentenced to seven years

I say this with all sincerity - fark you to whichever mod greenlit this. Seriously. I know that inaccurate and misleading headlines are often used for humor, or hyperbole, or clickbait, but this is just some stupid shiat right here.


OWS is a football that some of Fark's centrist-right to right-leaning posters love to kick around.

It just wasn't the kind of democracy they approve of. Too many people with their own minds not wanting to do it their way.
 
2014-05-07 11:31:11 AM  

whidbey: Yeah. I have issues with people who support police brutality. Most of us want less of it our society. You're stating that it's sometimes OK. Especially with hippies, apparently


A crowd won't disperse and the cops use pepper spray, not police brutaltiy.

Casually walking by and spraying pepperspary in the face of people who are calmly standing behind police barricades, police brutality.

I know this si diddicult for you to get, but not every instance of police force is "police brutality". In fact Crusier12 has me on ignore because I generally come down so harshly on topics like police brutality.
 
2014-05-07 11:33:57 AM  

Wendy's Chili: I can't imagine very many go to the polls thinking, "Yeah, I'm going to make things more unequal!"


I'll butcher this quote, and I cannot attribute it to someone off the top of my head, but 'liberals want a just world where people are properly rewarded for effort and labor, while conservatives think we already have that world'.

So no, they don't go to the polls in the interests of making things unequal. They go to the polls because they think things are fair and equal, and that any tinkering makes things less equal.


Though in talking to people one of the oddest things I've noticed is that conservatives tend to be the first people to say sports players are overpaid and the last people to say a CEO is. Which is odd because the sports player is earning money in the most voluntary and honest of economic systems, as well as providing the clear most valuable role in the industry: playing the goddamn sport.  Moreover, I have gotten my supervisor to admit, on about four occasions after prolonged discussion, that his initial ranting about greedy players (he defends owners making bank though) is wrong, but a couple weeks after such a discussion he reverts to the previous talking points, almost as though new memories have not been formed. I have a similar recurring conversation with a couple guys who misquote Obama's books ('if war came between muslims and America, I would choose muslims' or some shiat like that is their misquote): they use it, they get shown what the actual quote is, they grudgingly admit it is not so bad to say that we shouldn't put arabs in internment caps like we did to japanese during ww2, and then a while later they revert to the previous status.


Conclusion: the modern conservative who votes for the republican party doesn't know wtf they want or wtf they are talking about. That is kind of a wedge issue in and of itself. They will of course look you straight in the eye and agree they want everything to be fair and balanced.  Then they will explain to you why it is easy for poor people to save for college, why racism doesn't exist in the justice system or in hiring practices, why women deserve any lower pay they may receive, and why pretty much all scientists not working for the oil companies are in it for all the fortune, popularity, fame, and chicks showing their titties that they can handle.


This seems absurd, and if you'd talked to me fifteen years ago and told me this would be my experience today I would laugh you out of the room.  I would NOT have agreed that one party so dominated the vote of the delusional, ignorant, and stupid. But here we are.
 
2014-05-07 11:34:43 AM  

mrshowrules: Another good point. Santorum is probably one of the few Republicans that could pull off the "working man's champion" with some credibility.

I just never understood how homophobia got linked with less taxes for the rich

Conversely how: cutting fossil fuel burning means you have to be for affirmative action


Coalition building: it's how you get things done in a democracy.

Although some people would argue that camping in a park, doing jazz hands, and shouting "MIC CHECK" in front of a banker's townhouse is the better method.

/ducks
 
2014-05-07 11:36:01 AM  

whidbey: Lenny_da_Hog: The video is pretty damning, and doesn't support her titty-twister tale.

Dude, after having to suffer through pages of you defending that cop who maced the protesters in California, any judgment or opinion from you regarding OWS is highly suspect.

Yes, I know you hated those hippies and how dare they.

Tough shiat.


Put up or shut up.

Oh, wait. I'll save you the time.

Show me, asswipe.

I never defended the cops. I've always said that cops should be patient long before using weapons with any protesters.

An elbow to the face is the end of patience.

Just because I like OWS doesn't mean everyone involved is innocent of everything all the time. This chick has serious problems with her story, and if you'd actually watch the video, you'd see that.


Now apologize and stop making things up.
 
2014-05-07 11:36:41 AM  

liam76:

I know this si diddicult for you to get, but not every instance of police force is "police brutality". In fact Crusier12 has me on ignore because I generally come down so harshly on topics like police brutality.


You're not doing it here.
 
2014-05-07 11:38:02 AM  

Lenny_da_Hog: Show me, asswipe.

I never defended the cops. I've always said that cops should be patient long before using weapons with any protesters.


Whatever you were trying to do, you failed miserably. I will always remember 20 posters or so trying to convince you that you were wrong and you digging it. You never apologized, you never capitulated.

You have a long LONG way to go before I trust you on this subject.
 
2014-05-07 11:38:46 AM  
digging it=digging in

whatever
 
2014-05-07 11:39:37 AM  

Wendy's Chili: mrshowrules: Another good point. Santorum is probably one of the few Republicans that could pull off the "working man's champion" with some credibility.

I just never understood how homophobia got linked with less taxes for the rich

Conversely how: cutting fossil fuel burning means you have to be for affirmative action

Coalition building: it's how you get things done in a democracy.

Although some people would argue that camping in a park, doing jazz hands, and shouting "MIC CHECK" in front of a banker's townhouse is the better method.

/ducks


LOL.

Re: coalation building

I wonder what would happen if the DNC proposed a ban on elective abortions, combined with social assistance for young mothers and single-payer health care.
 
2014-05-07 11:42:54 AM  

whidbey: Lenny_da_Hog: Show me, asswipe.

I never defended the cops. I've always said that cops should be patient long before using weapons with any protesters.

Whatever you were trying to do, you failed miserably. I will always remember 20 posters or so trying to convince you that you were wrong and you digging it. You never apologized, you never capitulated.

You have a long LONG way to go before I trust you on this subject.


That's the link to the actual Fark thread, in which both you and I participated, where I consistently say that cops should be patient before using any type of weapon.

That's the very thread you just lied about. I just checked it. The link works. Take it, search for my name, and apologize.

You're a lying liar. You do this often. Just stop it.
 
2014-05-07 11:43:00 AM  

Lenny_da_Hog: This chick has serious problems with her story, and if you'd actually watch the video, you'd see that.


it's tough to tell what is happening in that video, you really can't tell if someone is grabbing her right before she does that flying elbow move off the top rope...
 
2014-05-07 11:44:08 AM  

jso2897: See, on Fark, this is how you do it: You read the headline, in the knowledge that it is complete bullshiat, and then you read TFA until you get to the "reveal".
In this case, the "reveal" is that this chick hasn't been sentenced at all - she has merely been convicted of something with a maximum sentence of seven years, which she is not going to get, or anywhere near, probably.
Time served, probation, stiff fine, most likely.


Lying?  In MY sensationalist greenlight-bait headline?
 
2014-05-07 11:47:03 AM  

whidbey: liam76:

I know this si diddicult for you to get, but not every instance of police force is "police brutality". In fact Crusier12 has me on ignore because I generally come down so harshly on topics like police brutality.

You're not doing it here.


I am, you are just refuse to see a difference between use of force and police brutality.
 
2014-05-07 11:51:42 AM  

BeesNuts: I think I've been consistent.


I don't consider the people described in the first quote to be the same as those in the second.

"You know, if people spent as much time and energy throwing support behind them instead of ho-humming about the lack of organization, if we'd spent as much time and energy listening to what they were saying instead of complaining about how their message was confusing, and spent as much time and energy distilling that message instead of acting all concerned and sharing "helpful" ideas about how they "should be doing things"... their potential might not have been so "wasted". "

"The problem is with people who would get on the internet and talk about how shiatty OWS was, then go to work, and talk about how dumb those kids were, and then go to the bar and yuck it up with their friends, but wouldn't take the time to even try to listen to what they were saying."

Honestly, the former paragraph describes me quite well.  The latter describes people I spent too much time arguing with on fark on that very issue. They absolutely lacked organization, their message was indeed jumbled, and I have indeed discussed ways they could have improved.  They weren't shiatty, nor were they stupid, nor did I make fun of them at the bar.

Why does it matter that you have shifted? Because in both cases you are blaming this group as "the majority" who are somehow directly responsible for all of OWS's failings.  But the former group describes me just as well as it does you, yet you pat yourself on the back for talking with them.

Don't get me wrong, the latter group you describe does exist: people who didn't take five minute to look into the movement watched ten minutes of fox news and repeated talking points.  However, it is a given that said group exists.  Any movement has two options: 1. Do better with the media and handling of their message, or 2. Blame the listener.   OWS and its biggest supporters overwhelmingly chose option 2, and almost went out of their way to alienate potential supporters.
 
2014-05-07 11:51:55 AM  

Headso: Lenny_da_Hog: This chick has serious problems with her story, and if you'd actually watch the video, you'd see that.

it's tough to tell what is happening in that video, you really can't tell if someone is grabbing her right before she does that flying elbow move off the top rope...


Her lawyer calls the bruise *above* her breast, in the neckline area, "the smoking gun." She shows off the "hand-shaped" bruise (above her shirt's neckline) in the Democracy Now interview at about 2:15.

You can see from the evidence video that the bright green shirt is never occluded in that area.

In that Democracy Now interview, she also states she was there because she's been involved with the organization of OWS and goes into a long list of her activism, but in court, she said she was just there to find a friend between bar-hops and wasn't there to protest.

She has credibility issues.
 
2014-05-07 11:54:53 AM  

Lenny_da_Hog: Headso: Lenny_da_Hog: This chick has serious problems with her story, and if you'd actually watch the video, you'd see that.

it's tough to tell what is happening in that video, you really can't tell if someone is grabbing her right before she does that flying elbow move off the top rope...

Her lawyer calls the bruise *above* her breast, in the neckline area, "the smoking gun." She shows off the "hand-shaped" bruise (above her shirt's neckline) in the Democracy Now interview at about 2:15.

You can see from the evidence video that the bright green shirt is never occluded in that area.

In that Democracy Now interview, she also states she was there because she's been involved with the organization of OWS and goes into a long list of her activism, but in court, she said she was just there to find a friend between bar-hops and wasn't there to protest.

She has credibility issues.


And the police constantly lie too so we are back to square one on that. In the video the cop she elbows obviously didn't grab her but it's possible she was grabbed.
 
2014-05-07 11:57:05 AM  

whidbey: Ctrl-Alt-Del: Article: An Occupy Wall Street activist faces up to seven years in prison

Headline: Occupy Wall Street protester sentenced to seven years

I say this with all sincerity - fark you to whichever mod greenlit this. Seriously. I know that inaccurate and misleading headlines are often used for humor, or hyperbole, or clickbait, but this is just some stupid shiat right here.

OWS is a football that some of Fark's centrist-right to right-leaning posters love to kick around.

It just wasn't the kind of democracy they approve of. Too many people with their own minds not wanting to do it their way.


"It's simple. It's the right's fault"
-whidbey on everything.
 
2014-05-07 11:58:25 AM  

Frank N Stein: Why are leftist protestors such pushovers in the country compared to rightist protestors?


Because most of us believe in the Rule of Law, and believe that violence only begets more violence.

Could the world be changed by armed 'leftists'?  Maybe.  But it wouldn't be the change we want.

I'd sooner die myself than kill another person, in all but situations of pure, instinctual self defense.
 
2014-05-07 11:58:56 AM  

Lenny_da_Hog: whidbey: Lenny_da_Hog: Show me, asswipe.

I never defended the cops. I've always said that cops should be patient long before using weapons with any protesters.

Whatever you were trying to do, you failed miserably. I will always remember 20 posters or so trying to convince you that you were wrong and you digging it. You never apologized, you never capitulated.

You have a long LONG way to go before I trust you on this subject.

That's the link to the actual Fark thread, in which both you and I participated, where I consistently say that cops should be patient before using any type of weapon.

That's the very thread you just lied about. I just checked it. The link works. Take it, search for my name, and apologize.

You're a lying liar. You do this often. Just stop it.


Not lying about anything. Though I will say that by skimming that link, it's a different thread.

You got your ass handed to you in the other one. Perhaps that isn't relevant here at all, but it still formulated quite an opinion.
 
2014-05-07 12:01:55 PM  

Nemo's Brother: Nabb1: TuteTibiImperes: Well, she faces up to 7 years, I doubt she'll get sentenced to that.

The NYT has a more detailed account of what happened.  She was drunk, yelling at another officer, which led the assaulted officer to try to lead her away.

7 years would certainly be excessive.  Time served and a probation would be about right.

She sure taught the 1% a lesson.

Obama coordinated the nation-wide crackdown on the Occupy movement. He initiated the police abuse on you all. Then you voted for him again.

/useful idiots


I don't think you're all that useful.
 
2014-05-07 12:03:19 PM  
So some police officer tries to rape her and she is arrested for trying to defend herself.
 
2014-05-07 12:03:57 PM  

Mobutu: Frank N Stein: Why are leftist protestors such pushovers in the country compared to rightist protestors?

Because most of us believe in the Rule of Law, and believe that violence only begets more violence.

Could the world be changed by armed 'leftists'?  Maybe.  But it wouldn't be the change we want.

I'd sooner die myself than kill another person, in all but situations of pure, instinctual self defense.


We're a violent species. Obviously it is ideal to temper our violence and work within legal frames. But that doesn't always work, and it all breaks down frighteningly easily. It's fine to be a pacifist, just be prepared to bend and ultimately be subservient to people who are not afraid of using violence.
 
2014-05-07 12:11:28 PM  

Lenny_da_Hog: whidbey: Lenny_da_Hog: Show me, asswipe.

I never defended the cops. I've always said that cops should be patient long before using weapons with any protesters.

Whatever you were trying to do, you failed miserably. I will always remember 20 posters or so trying to convince you that you were wrong and you digging it. You never apologized, you never capitulated.

You have a long LONG way to go before I trust you on this subject.

That's the link to the actual Fark thread, in which both you and I participated, where I consistently say that cops should be patient before using any type of weapon.

That's the very thread you just lied about. I just checked it. The link works. Take it, search for my name, and apologize.

You're a lying liar. You do this often. Just stop it.


Dude, you're pissing up a rope here - the only two colors in his world are black and white. And if you pick the wrong one in any given situation you might as well have just copypasted some teabgger derp from American Thinker

Veering back on topic, I agree with your analysis - what I see in that video is someone intentionally winding up a full body elbow strike and trying to bolt away.Even if he did grab her boob while arresting her (and I don't think he did, either, but that's a weaker conclusion), that elbow was not a reflexive reaction.

That said, seven years seems a bit much to me, but I won't lose any sleep over it if she gets the max or close to it
 
2014-05-07 12:11:33 PM  

whidbey: Not lying about anything. Though I will say that by skimming that link, it's a different thread.

You got your ass handed to you in the other one. Perhaps that isn't relevant here at all, but it still formulated quite an opinion.



Put up or shut up, liar. It's not a different thread. That's a thread showing me consistently saying the cops at the actual event that you actually just cited were actually in the wrong. The thread in your imagination does not count as a Fark thread.

It's relevant because you just made it relevant. You're making shiat up, and now you've been shown point-blank that you're a bald-faced liar, and you "seem to remember" something that never happened.

Your seeming to remember does not outweigh the actual link to the actual thread that shows me saying exactly the opposite of what you just attributed to me.

It's very simple: You never saw me defending the cops in the California pepper spray incident or in any other similar situation, because it never happened.

Just apologize and move on.
 
2014-05-07 12:12:51 PM  

Frank N Stein: Why are leftist protestors such pushovers in the country compared to rightist protestors?


Lol wat.

It's the right-wing protesters who claim tyranny and victimization for being held to any sort of accountability.  See: Bundy's son, the "political prisoner" who assaulted 2 cops.

Meanwhile, peaceful, unarmed OWSers are routinely teargassed, beaten, wrongfully arrested and sexually assaulted, yet they've lasted longer than any other modern protest movement.
 
2014-05-07 12:13:46 PM  

Lenny_da_Hog: Put up or shut up, liar. It's not a different thread. That's a thread showing me consistently saying the cops at the actual event that you actually just cited were actually in the wrong. The thread in your imagination does not count as a Fark thread


It's still real to him!
 
2014-05-07 12:15:09 PM  
Every time those damn Tea Party people get together there's all that rape, rampant drug use, violence, vandalism, anarchy, arrests...oh wait....
 
2014-05-07 12:16:15 PM  
And also:

BeesNuts: Sort of, "Loud Noises Everyone Agrees With!"
"This will never work!  Stop."
*stops.  doesn't work.*
"WHY DID YOU LISTEN TO US!?"


Case in point, this is NOT what the first group you described said. They never said stop, they said 'you need clearer messages, better media handling, and better organizing".  I don't know how my taking time to talk to them would have changed this in any way. Who was them? Where was I supposed to speak with them? Who was I supposed to support for a legislative position that backed their ideas?

Don't get me wrong, if I cared more about the topic I guess I might have done more. But that is life. People have lives to live and mortgages to pay, and we cannot all get on the back of the bus in protest. The people who do feel strongly enough to do so and get in that situation need to understand this and work with our lazy asses, or they may as well stay home too. Is that sad? Sure. Is it reality? Yea. Even the tea party understood that. Sure it wasn't as grassroots, but neither did it turn away politicians who wished to join the movement.


The media is to blame too of course, but without pushing the names of a few leaders of the movement to get out there and run for office or show up for interviews, even a sympathetic media would be hard pressed to do a whole lot different. Had they picked random people out of the crowds they may have made OWS look even worse.
 
2014-05-07 12:21:30 PM  

whidbey: Not lying about anything. Though I will say that by skimming that link, it's a different thread.

You got your ass handed to you in the other one. Perhaps that isn't relevant here at all, but it still formulated quite an opinion.


You realize how shiatty you look right now right? Are you self-aware enough for that much?
 
2014-05-07 12:22:08 PM  

Warlordtrooper: So some police officer tries to rape her and she is arrested for trying to defend herself.


That sounds just as dumb as extreme as saying she was arrested for violently trying to assault an officer.  The truth is in between (and I'm sure I don't know what happened).

I always thought there was an understanding that if you fought back against an officer, you get the shiat kicked out of you. I think she did fight back and got her lumps but to press charges on top of that is completely unnecessary IMHO.  I hope she get's a slap on the wrist from the judge (figuratively)
 
m00
2014-05-07 12:25:06 PM  

Fenstery: If the ows croud had a clue they would have protested in Washington against the people who are responsible for perpetuating the wealth inequality


You mean the lobbyists who are actually in charge of government? Like... say.... Wall Street?
 
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