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(Gawker)   Occupy Wall Street protester sentenced to seven years for elbowing a police officer after he grabbed her boob, therefore left wing activists are just as violent as right wing activists and Darren Huff is automatically president   (gawker.com) divider line 270
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2014-05-06 08:59:28 PM  
this is outrageous. she is a political prisoner of the 1%
 
2014-05-06 09:10:02 PM  
Come on, you don't grab someone's boob unless she indicates that's okay. Not cool, Mr. Cop.
 
2014-05-06 09:29:40 PM  
Well, she faces up to 7 years, I doubt she'll get sentenced to that.

The NYT has a more detailed account of what happened.  She was drunk, yelling at another officer, which led the assaulted officer to try to lead her away.

7 years would certainly be excessive.  Time served and a probation would be about right.
 
2014-05-06 09:42:22 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: Well, she faces up to 7 years, I doubt she'll get sentenced to that.

The NYT has a more detailed account of what happened.  She was drunk, yelling at another officer, which led the assaulted officer to try to lead her away.

7 years would certainly be excessive.  Time served and a probation would be about right.


She sure taught the 1% a lesson.
 
2014-05-06 10:03:17 PM  
I don't remember seeing any boobs at those demonstrations worth grabbing.
 
2014-05-06 10:24:32 PM  

Nabb1: TuteTibiImperes: Well, she faces up to 7 years, I doubt she'll get sentenced to that.

The NYT has a more detailed account of what happened.  She was drunk, yelling at another officer, which led the assaulted officer to try to lead her away.

7 years would certainly be excessive.  Time served and a probation would be about right.

She sure taught the 1% a lesson.


OWS had some great ideas and a ton of energy, but no direction and abysmal organization.  It's a shame that the potential there was mostly wasted.  They helped get the conversation started, but it could have been so much more if someone had managed to take charge, distill the message into some accessible soundbites, and do some halfway decent PR work to focus the media.
 
2014-05-06 11:35:32 PM  
24.media.tumblr.com
 
2014-05-06 11:39:20 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: Well, she faces up to 7 years, I doubt she'll get sentenced to that.

The NYT has a more detailed account of what happened.  She was drunk, yelling at another officer, which led the assaulted officer to try to lead her away.

7 years would certainly be excessive.  Time served and a probation would be about right.


You can lead a woman by the boob, but that won't make her think

/actually it's likely to piss her off
//but that's obvious
///I really had no point
 
2014-05-06 11:51:49 PM  

some_beer_drinker: this is outrageous. she is a political prisoner of the 1%


gs1.wac.edgecastcdn.net


/I was a political prisoner; I kicked a giant mouse in the butt!
 
2014-05-06 11:54:32 PM  

Nabb1: TuteTibiImperes: Well, she faces up to 7 years, I doubt she'll get sentenced to that.

The NYT has a more detailed account of what happened.  She was drunk, yelling at another officer, which led the assaulted officer to try to lead her away.

7 years would certainly be excessive.  Time served and a probation would be about right.

She sure taught the 1% a lesson.


Obama coordinated the nation-wide crackdown on the Occupy movement. He initiated the police abuse on you all. Then you voted for him again.

/useful idiots
 
2014-05-06 11:54:40 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: Nabb1: TuteTibiImperes: Well, she faces up to 7 years, I doubt she'll get sentenced to that.

The NYT has a more detailed account of what happened.  She was drunk, yelling at another officer, which led the assaulted officer to try to lead her away.

7 years would certainly be excessive.  Time served and a probation would be about right.

She sure taught the 1% a lesson.

OWS had some great ideas and a ton of energy, but no direction and abysmal organization.  It's a shame that the potential there was mostly wasted.  They helped get the conversation started, but it could have been so much more if someone had managed to take charge, distill the message into some accessible soundbites, and do some halfway decent PR work to focus the media.


Actually, I think their impact in terms of moving the conversation was pretty substantial.

Nabb1 just used the term "the 1%".  That wasn't really in the common vocabulary before OWS.  Not that it was unheard of, but almost everybody today knows what it refers to.  That's actually a pretty large victory, simply to carve out a notion of the very (not super, but very) rich as a class, in a way that emphasizes their minority.
 
2014-05-06 11:55:14 PM  
Looks like she got punched above her tit to me.

Whatever, 7 years is still way too long.
 
2014-05-07 12:03:41 AM  
Remember, boys and girls:

msnbcmedia.msn.com

Class warfare.

www.thedailysheeple.com

Not class warfare.
 
2014-05-07 12:05:57 AM  

Dafatone: TuteTibiImperes: Nabb1: TuteTibiImperes: Well, she faces up to 7 years, I doubt she'll get sentenced to that.

The NYT has a more detailed account of what happened.  She was drunk, yelling at another officer, which led the assaulted officer to try to lead her away.

7 years would certainly be excessive.  Time served and a probation would be about right.

She sure taught the 1% a lesson.

OWS had some great ideas and a ton of energy, but no direction and abysmal organization.  It's a shame that the potential there was mostly wasted.  They helped get the conversation started, but it could have been so much more if someone had managed to take charge, distill the message into some accessible soundbites, and do some halfway decent PR work to focus the media.

Actually, I think their impact in terms of moving the conversation was pretty substantial.

Nabb1 just used the term "the 1%".  That wasn't really in the common vocabulary before OWS.  Not that it was unheard of, but almost everybody today knows what it refers to.  That's actually a pretty large victory, simply to carve out a notion of the very (not super, but very) rich as a class, in a way that emphasizes their minority.


Especially considering the media, rather than organizing things directly and boosting them, was actively trying to bury them.

i75.photobucket.com
 
2014-05-07 12:06:28 AM  
she leapt in the air and clocked him in the face full on. Unless you can PROVE sexual assault then that is assault 100% of the time. That said actual prison time would be utterly ridiculous.
 
2014-05-07 12:10:25 AM  

TuteTibiImperes: 7 years would certainly be excessive.  Time served and a probation would be about right.


Normally elbowing is just a 2 minute minor penalty.

Go to the box, feel shame, then you get free.
 
2014-05-07 12:13:24 AM  
If they re-do the Occupy thing they should bring guns next time. Maybe then Fox News would cheer them on.
 
2014-05-07 12:19:39 AM  

TuteTibiImperes: The NYT has a more detailed account of what happened.


Yeah. I'm sure "I groped her boob. I groped it good." was a part of the report.
 
2014-05-07 12:20:51 AM  

gaspode: she leapt in the air and clocked him in the face full on. Unless you can PROVE sexual assault then that is assault 100% of the time. That said actual prison time would be utterly ridiculous.


I've always wanted fight a line of riot police in full knight armor with a club and some people of my own. Like these two.

media2.s-nbcnews.com

The problem is I don't want to do any of the things or be in any of the situations that CAUSE riot cops to show up, nor do I want to be arrested nor physically hurt anyone. I just want to see how well sword vs nightstick. Just sparing unit to unit.
 
2014-05-07 12:25:25 AM  
I just can't make a judgement without a picture of the boob in question.
 
2014-05-07 12:27:28 AM  

TV's Vinnie: TuteTibiImperes: The NYT has a more detailed account of what happened.

Yeah. I'm sure "I groped her boob. I groped it good." was a part of the report.


Eh, when arresting someone I don't expect the police to be super careful about not touching intimate areas.

If I'm ever arrested for being unruly in public I fully expect a police officer to grab my penis.
 
2014-05-07 12:27:34 AM  

Doc Daneeka: TuteTibiImperes: 7 years would certainly be excessive.  Time served and a probation would be about right.

Normally elbowing is just a 2 minute minor penalty.

Go to the box, feel shame, then you get free.


Puck go down, go boom.
 
2014-05-07 12:30:31 AM  

TheBigJerk: Dafatone: TuteTibiImperes: Nabb1: TuteTibiImperes: Well, she faces up to 7 years, I doubt she'll get sentenced to that.

The NYT has a more detailed account of what happened.  She was drunk, yelling at another officer, which led the assaulted officer to try to lead her away.

7 years would certainly be excessive.  Time served and a probation would be about right.

She sure taught the 1% a lesson.

OWS had some great ideas and a ton of energy, but no direction and abysmal organization.  It's a shame that the potential there was mostly wasted.  They helped get the conversation started, but it could have been so much more if someone had managed to take charge, distill the message into some accessible soundbites, and do some halfway decent PR work to focus the media.

Actually, I think their impact in terms of moving the conversation was pretty substantial.

Nabb1 just used the term "the 1%".  That wasn't really in the common vocabulary before OWS.  Not that it was unheard of, but almost everybody today knows what it refers to.  That's actually a pretty large victory, simply to carve out a notion of the very (not super, but very) rich as a class, in a way that emphasizes their minority.

Especially considering the media, rather than organizing things directly and boosting them, was actively trying to bury them.

[i75.photobucket.com image 500x336]


Well of course . The cops knew they wouldn't get shot at the OWS rallies for doing that. All power grows from the barrel of a gun, and all that.
 
2014-05-07 12:33:44 AM  

TheBigJerk: Dafatone: TuteTibiImperes: Nabb1: TuteTibiImperes: Well, she faces up to 7 years, I doubt she'll get sentenced to that.

The NYT has a more detailed account of what happened.  She was drunk, yelling at another officer, which led the assaulted officer to try to lead her away.

7 years would certainly be excessive.  Time served and a probation would be about right.

She sure taught the 1% a lesson.

OWS had some great ideas and a ton of energy, but no direction and abysmal organization.  It's a shame that the potential there was mostly wasted.  They helped get the conversation started, but it could have been so much more if someone had managed to take charge, distill the message into some accessible soundbites, and do some halfway decent PR work to focus the media.

Actually, I think their impact in terms of moving the conversation was pretty substantial.

Nabb1 just used the term "the 1%".  That wasn't really in the common vocabulary before OWS.  Not that it was unheard of, but almost everybody today knows what it refers to.  That's actually a pretty large victory, simply to carve out a notion of the very (not super, but very) rich as a class, in a way that emphasizes their minority.

Especially considering the media, rather than organizing things directly and boosting them, was actively trying to bury them.

[i75.photobucket.com image 500x336]


And if OWS had some sort of central leadership, there would have been at least a 99% chance that the NYPD would have "found" 3 tons of meth (or something equally bad) in the leader's apartment, thus causing anyone who would have otherwise supported OWS to avoid them like the plague.


/at least until it was eventually revealed that the leader was railroaded by the NYPD Schutzstaffel
//and any officers who would have been involved in the plant-and-bust would have claimed they were Just Following Orders
i.kinja-img.com
 
2014-05-07 12:35:16 AM  
Neither side has much credibility.  I've seen videos of other officer's randomly grabbing people or attacking them at gatherings and then saying that the defendant did something to justify it.  Innocent until proven guilty is just words, the system is designed to convict you most effectively, and people for some unknown reason still put great stock in the testimony of police officers.  The article starts the scene with "as I'm walking her out"  WTF that's pretty late in the story to establish context.  Someone in the comments above says she was arrested for drunk in public, is that true? what was her BAC?
 
2014-05-07 12:41:03 AM  
No one would ever stage an injury
www.whudat.com
 
2014-05-07 12:43:35 AM  

Dafatone: TuteTibiImperes: Nabb1: TuteTibiImperes: Well, she faces up to 7 years, I doubt she'll get sentenced to that.

The NYT has a more detailed account of what happened.  She was drunk, yelling at another officer, which led the assaulted officer to try to lead her away.

7 years would certainly be excessive.  Time served and a probation would be about right.

She sure taught the 1% a lesson.

OWS had some great ideas and a ton of energy, but no direction and abysmal organization.  It's a shame that the potential there was mostly wasted.  They helped get the conversation started, but it could have been so much more if someone had managed to take charge, distill the message into some accessible soundbites, and do some halfway decent PR work to focus the media.

Actually, I think their impact in terms of moving the conversation was pretty substantial.

Nabb1 just used the term "the 1%".  That wasn't really in the common vocabulary before OWS.  Not that it was unheard of, but almost everybody today knows what it refers to.  That's actually a pretty large victory, simply to carve out a notion of the very (not super, but very) rich as a class, in a way that emphasizes their minority.


Plus, it is dangerous and inimical to organize too early; this leads to a grassroots movement being taken over by opportunists. This is what is happening to the Anna Hazare movement in India right now.
 
2014-05-07 12:45:45 AM  

doglover: gaspode: she leapt in the air and clocked him in the face full on. Unless you can PROVE sexual assault then that is assault 100% of the time. That said actual prison time would be utterly ridiculous.

I've always wanted fight a line of riot police in full knight armor with a club and some people of my own. Like these two.

[media2.s-nbcnews.com image 850x584]

The problem is I don't want to do any of the things or be in any of the situations that CAUSE riot cops to show up, nor do I want to be arrested nor physically hurt anyone. I just want to see how well sword vs nightstick. Just sparing unit to unit.


If we're talking riot cops with shields, then you're basically talking about attacking a phalanx with another phalanx, in which case maybe bringing spears would be better. Just sayin. Or cavalry. Or flank them.

Either way a sword would beat the living f*ck out of a cop's club, if wearing the proper armor. But cops tend to bring out the guns against swordsmen in plate. Good luck with that.
 
2014-05-07 12:51:21 AM  

js34603: Looks like she got punched above her tit to me.

Whatever, 7 years is still way too long.


The officer's testimony doesn't even make sense. He claims she asked another protestor "are you filming this," and then immediately and for no reason elbowed him. I guess she wanted to get the incriminating evidence on camera?

More likely, cop testalied. She asked about filming because she was being manhandled by aggressive cops. Cop grabs her tit (probably not specifically aiming for the tit) trying to restrain her, she reflexively elbows him.
 
2014-05-07 12:56:12 AM  

Baz744: js34603: Looks like she got punched above her tit to me.

Whatever, 7 years is still way too long.

The officer's testimony doesn't even make sense. He claims she asked another protestor "are you filming this," and then immediately and for no reason elbowed him. I guess she wanted to get the incriminating evidence on camera?

More likely, cop testalied. She asked about filming because she was being manhandled by aggressive cops. Cop grabs her tit (probably not specifically aiming for the tit) trying to restrain her, she reflexively elbows him.


Yeah, protesting attention whores have never prepped a camera before acting for it?
The medical reports show not bruises until her third trip to the hospital.  She might get more credibility if the marks had been visible as early as the cop's were.
 
2014-05-07 12:58:38 AM  

MFAWG: I just can't make a judgement without a picture of the boob in question.


Just read the article. There's a picture of it.
 
2014-05-07 01:07:15 AM  

TuteTibiImperes: Well, she faces up to 7 years, I doubt she'll get sentenced to that.

The NYT has a more detailed account of what happened.  She was drunk, yelling at another officer, which led the assaulted officer to try to lead her away.

7 years would certainly be excessive.  Time served and a probation would be about right.


How many cops got jailed for their unnecessary violence... lets take the average of what they got and give it to her.
 
2014-05-07 01:11:52 AM  

Spaz-master: Yeah, protesting attention whores have never prepped a camera before acting for it?


No. She wouldn't have prepped a camera to film her committing battery on a police officer. It's incoherent, and obviously false.

The medical reports show not bruises until her third trip to the hospital. She might get more credibility if the marks had been visible as early as the cop's were.

Citation needed.

BTW: your boy in blue couldn't even remember which of his eyes was supposedly injured. He kept pointing to the wrong one at trial.

He's also been involved in ticket fixing, which speaks directly to his character for truthfulness.
 
2014-05-07 01:17:31 AM  

Doc Daneeka: TuteTibiImperes: 7 years would certainly be excessive.  Time served and a probation would be about right.

Normally elbowing is just a 2 minute minor penalty.

Go to the box, feel shame, then you get free.


www.wearysloth.com
oui, it is the circle of life
 
2014-05-07 01:18:47 AM  

firefly212: TuteTibiImperes: Well, she faces up to 7 years, I doubt she'll get sentenced to that.

The NYT has a more detailed account of what happened.  She was drunk, yelling at another officer, which led the assaulted officer to try to lead her away.

7 years would certainly be excessive.  Time served and a probation would be about right.

How many cops got jailed for their unnecessary violence... lets take the average of what they got and give it to her.


Officer Bovel should know: he's got at least two incidents of excessive force in his background.

So we're talking now about a cop with:

1) a known character for lying, and
2) a known character for violence.

Evidently, the Honorable Kangaroo presided over this court.
 
2014-05-07 01:23:16 AM  

some_beer_drinker: this is outrageous. she is a political prisoner of the 1%


This would only be bad if Putin did it I've been told America can do no wrong.
 
2014-05-07 01:26:58 AM  

firefly212: TuteTibiImperes: Well, she faces up to 7 years, I doubt she'll get sentenced to that.

The NYT has a more detailed account of what happened.  She was drunk, yelling at another officer, which led the assaulted officer to try to lead her away.

7 years would certainly be excessive.  Time served and a probation would be about right.

How many cops got jailed for their unnecessary violence... lets take the average of what they got and give it to her.


I'm down with her receiving paid vacation for this.
 
2014-05-07 01:42:24 AM  
Why are leftist protestors such pushovers in the country compared to rightist protestors?
 
2014-05-07 01:44:43 AM  

Spaz-master: No one would ever stage an injury
[www.whudat.com image 440x330]


Yeah, I think I'm in that camp.

Go OWS and all, but she had an interview right after this happened, showing off the boob injury, on the very uppermost part of her chest, in above-the-shirt-collar territory.

In the video, nothing ever blocks her green shirt anywhere near that area.

And that wasn't just a pull-away reactionary elbow -- she leaned down and used her full body mass to inflict injury as much injury as she could and ran to get away.

It doesn't help me to believe her when she went into attention-whore mode in a Democracy Now interview, talking about her long history of activism and saying she was one of the OWS organizers, then in court she said she just happened to be at the park looking for a friend and wasn't there to protest. She also told that interview she didn't remember anything before the incident and the subsequent "seizure" (sure, honey. Sure.), but then she suddenly remembered that it was a sexual assault she was protecting herself from.

Screw the cops for using force, but screw her, too. Every time a woman lies about sexual assault, it makes it tougher for those who *are* being assaulted to gain any credibility.
 
2014-05-07 01:52:25 AM  
From the Guardian:

But the jury didn't hear anything about the police violence that took place in Zuccotti Park that night. They didn't hear about what happened there on November 15, 2011, when the park was first cleared. The violence experienced by Occupy protesters throughout its entirety was excluded from the courtroom. The narrative that the jury did hear was tightly controlled by what the judge allowed - and Judge Ronald Zweibel consistently ruled that any larger context of what was happening around McMillan at the time of the arrest (let alone Bovell's own history of violence) was irrelevant to the scope of the trial.

In the trial, physical evidence was considered suspect but the testimony of the police was cast as infallible. Despite photographs of her bruised body, including her right breast, the prosecution cast doubt upon McMillan's allegations of being injured by the police - all while Officer Bovell repeatedly identified the wrong eye when testifying as to how McMillan injured him. And not only was Officer Bovell's documented history of violent behavior deemed irrelevant by the judge, but so were the allegations of his violent behavior that very same night....

It's impossible to understand the whole story by just looking at it one picture, even if it's McMillan's of her injuries. But that is exactly what the jury in McMillan's case was asked to do. They were presented a close up of Cecily McMillan's elbow, but not of Bovell, and asked to determine who was violent. The prosecutors and the judge prohibited them from zooming out.


http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/may/05/cecily-mcmillan -o ccupy-guilty-police-violence

Judge Ronald Zweibel ordered that McMillan, 25, a graduate student at the New School, be detained. He rejected a request from her lawyers for bail.

"I see absolutely no reason why a remand would be appropriate here," Martin Stolar, her lead attorney, told the judge. "She is not likely to be somebody to cut and run." Zweibel replied: "Remanded pending sentencing."


http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/may/05/occupy-wall-street-ceci ly -mcmillan-guilty-assaulting-police-officer

She was railroaded.
 
2014-05-07 01:54:57 AM  

Dafatone: TuteTibiImperes: Nabb1: TuteTibiImperes: Well, she faces up to 7 years, I doubt she'll get sentenced to that.

The NYT has a more detailed account of what happened.  She was drunk, yelling at another officer, which led the assaulted officer to try to lead her away.

7 years would certainly be excessive.  Time served and a probation would be about right.

She sure taught the 1% a lesson.

OWS had some great ideas and a ton of energy, but no direction and abysmal organization.  It's a shame that the potential there was mostly wasted.  They helped get the conversation started, but it could have been so much more if someone had managed to take charge, distill the message into some accessible soundbites, and do some halfway decent PR work to focus the media.

Actually, I think their impact in terms of moving the conversation was pretty substantial.

Nabb1 just used the term "the 1%".  That wasn't really in the common vocabulary before OWS.  Not that it was unheard of, but almost everybody today knows what it refers to.  That's actually a pretty large victory, simply to carve out a notion of the very (not super, but very) rich as a class, in a way that emphasizes their minority.


This.  OWS unfortunately led to no direct changes, but they did effectively transform the terms of debate, very effectively.
 
2014-05-07 01:56:35 AM  

Cathedralmaster: She was railroaded.


I think it's more to the point that it doesn't matter if other chaos was happening or other people were being treated wrongly in order to determine if she, herself, had elbowed a cop in the face.
 
2014-05-07 01:57:53 AM  
Bovell was also in plain clothes and allegedly did not identify himself as a policeman when he decided to escort Ms. McMillan out. So some strange guy grabs you by the shoulder and starts hauling you away. What would you have done?
 
2014-05-07 01:59:29 AM  

Lenny_da_Hog: a Democracy Now interview


pretty much all I need to know about this case
 
2014-05-07 01:59:37 AM  

UseLessHuman: Neither side has much credibility.  I've seen videos of other officer's randomly grabbing people or attacking them at gatherings and then saying that the defendant did something to justify it.  Innocent until proven guilty is just words, the system is designed to convict you most effectively, and people for some unknown reason still put great stock in the testimony of police officers.  The article starts the scene with "as I'm walking her out"  WTF that's pretty late in the story to establish context.  Someone in the comments above says she was arrested for drunk in public, is that true? what was her BAC?


Yup. There are too many people who believe that no cop would lie. Ever. About anything.
 
2014-05-07 02:02:12 AM  
That she's looking at seven years is ridiculous. Even if she did purposely elbow a cop, that's retarded. That she's getting railroaded makes this painful.

 Arm up next time, America.
 
2014-05-07 02:03:17 AM  

log_jammin: Lenny_da_Hog: a Democracy Now interview

pretty much all I need to know about this case


Suppose it would have been proper for me to post it for everyone to ignore.
 
2014-05-07 02:21:44 AM  

gaspode: she leapt in the air and clocked him in the face full on. Unless you can PROVE sexual assault then that is assault 100% of the time. That said actual prison time would be utterly ridiculous.

 
2014-05-07 02:29:56 AM  
Maybe she'll get parole after a couple of years.

But yeah, this is bullshiat. I would be appealing the fark out of this ruling.
 
2014-05-07 02:36:33 AM  

fusillade762: If they re-do the Occupy thing they should bring guns next time. Maybe then Fox News would cheer them on.


Fox Propaganda would tell its flock either (or both) of two things:

* Them Smelly Hippies got guns.  Y'all better get yourselves some bigger ones.
or
* Them Smelly Hippies got guns.  Time to start banning some guns, like St. Ronald did when the Black Panthers started open carrying.
 
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