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(Time)   In the last five days, 120 people have overdosed in Texas on legal synthetic marijuana. Take that, Colorado   (time.com) divider line 123
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2014-05-06 11:12:25 PM
Nope. Not giving a fark.
 
2014-05-06 11:14:38 PM
Let's see, I just set down something of value right around here and...yup...there it is.  So what was lost again?
 
2014-05-06 11:23:09 PM

TheDirtyNacho: Real stuff is easy to get but this is cheaper. Most ODs among homeless or near homeless. Apparently this batch is laced with pcp


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/meanwhile, powdered alcohol
 
2014-05-06 11:31:59 PM
we've got to convince kids to stop using drugs in general
 
2014-05-06 11:32:16 PM
Dumbasses. Who even smokes that shiat? It's several times more expensive than the real thing, and has a full bevvy of unpleasant side effects and an unpleasant high that involves nausea. Get the real stuff if you're that hard up. A lot safer and it doesn't require much imagination to score some.
 
2014-05-06 11:34:41 PM

belhade: TheDirtyNacho: Real stuff is easy to get but this is cheaper. Most ODs among homeless or near homeless. Apparently this batch is laced with pcp

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/meanwhile, powdered alcohol


Leaving aside the moral implications of your opinion, it's wonderful that taxpayers have to pay for the consequences of non-fatal OD's among this population.
 
2014-05-06 11:39:08 PM

PreMortem: I tried synthetic mj once. It was nothing like mj. I think they just market it like that to give the impression it's a safe, mellow high, which it's not. Never again.


I have some here at the house.. It gives me a headache and you feel buzzed, like alcohol buzzed. It wears off in about 2 hours and it sucks!!!

Nothing, nothing like weed.

Week and k2 are the only things I've ever tried

/yeah yeah I should try X or acid
 
2014-05-06 11:39:57 PM
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2014-05-06 11:41:08 PM
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Well, no shiat. Don't you idiots know that K2 has killed more people than Everest?
 
2014-05-06 11:41:31 PM

TheBigJerk: doglover: Somaticasual: That's 120 more than would have everoverdosed on you know, the regular kind...

Marjuana is many things, but barring some major allergy you're looking at very low chance of overdose given the LD50. Not even a Cheech and Chong style jumbo sized blunt could do it.

I'm sure you could inject or drink enough of the concentrated and cooked active ingredients with a chemistry lab and a lot of effort, but straight leaf is impossible to die from.  "Impossible" is a pretty heavy word, yet still applies.


The likelihood of even that is very slim, due to a relative lack of Cannabinoid receptors in the Medulla Oblongata...unless, of course, you were drinking it in an alcohol-based solution, but, then again, that wouldn't really be death via Cannabinoid overdose.

/TFA doesn't specify, but I guess none of these "OD" victims actually died?
//I betcha' at least several Texans die every year from alcohol over-dose
///RE-Legalize it.  Everywhere.
 
2014-05-06 11:42:50 PM

fusillade762: Is real weed that hard to get in Texas?


If you get caught with real weed in Texas they shoot you dead on the spot.

True story.
 
2014-05-06 11:43:22 PM

What_Would_Jimi_Do: 1. this isn't weed, stop calling it synthetic marijuana.

2. IT SAYS NOT FOR CONSUMPTION ON THE PACKAGE.

3. this in no way, shape or form validates legalization of pot.

4. OD'ing, in my mind, is dying. these people consumed something not intended to be consumed.


/i am off to eat some of these new delicious tide detergent candies. YUM


Calling that stuff "synthetic marijuana" is very disrespectful to marijuana
 
2014-05-06 11:43:32 PM

Archfeld: Not that weed is so hard to get in TX, it is just that possession of any of it will send you to jail forever.


Funny, I whipped out my California medical recommendation, my registration with the county board of health, and showed them a picture of my federally-approved grow room with license on the door when I got pulled over this weekend.

They didn't even blink and just let me go saying "Keep it hid,unless cops ask you, son."
 
2014-05-06 11:43:44 PM

Cerebral Ballsy: PreMortem: I tried synthetic mj once. It was nothing like mj. I think they just market it like that to give the impression it's a safe, mellow high, which it's not. Never again.

I have some here at the house.. It gives me a headache and you feel buzzed, like alcohol buzzed. It wears off in about 2 hours and it sucks!!!

Nothing, nothing like weed.

Week and k2 are the only things I've ever tried

/yeah yeah I should try X or acid


Well, if you can get real LSD its pretty interesting, but it can last you 12 hours, and I'm not kidding.  Being ADHD, I was bored after about 6, which makes shrooms perfect.

Never tried any of the newer stuff, my experimentation days were back in the last century and pre-dated all the current rave/party drugs - we stuck with the old fashioned stuff mostly, weed, coke when we could afford it, simple, easy.
 
2014-05-06 11:45:06 PM

3 G's: TheBigJerk: doglover: Somaticasual: That's 120 more than would have everoverdosed on you know, the regular kind...

Marjuana is many things, but barring some major allergy you're looking at very low chance of overdose given the LD50. Not even a Cheech and Chong style jumbo sized blunt could do it.

I'm sure you could inject or drink enough of the concentrated and cooked active ingredients with a chemistry lab and a lot of effort, but straight leaf is impossible to die from.  "Impossible" is a pretty heavy word, yet still applies.

The likelihood of even that is very slim, due to a relative lack of Cannabinoid receptors in the Medulla Oblongata...unless, of course, you were drinking it in an alcohol-based solution, but, then again, that wouldn't really be death via Cannabinoid overdose.

/TFA doesn't specify, but I guess none of these "OD" victims actually died?
//I betcha' at least several Texans die every year from alcohol over-dose
///RE-Legalize it.  Everywhere.


I think it is reasonable to believe that some amount of deaths would not have occurred but for marijuana consumption, considering its cardiovascular effects. At the same time, the amount of these deaths (likely minuscule) needs to be weighed against the amount of fatalities caused by legal intoxicants.
 
2014-05-06 11:45:50 PM

ScaryBottles: fusillade762: Is real weed that hard to get in Texas?
Not in the slightest. The first time I visited Illinois I was farking shocked at how hard it is to find and how much it costs. Around the DFW you can pick up an O for like $60 on just about any corner in Deep Ellum or off Lower Greenville.

Or thats what I hear at least.....


I bet it's all brown and full of seeds sticks and stems too. Crapola.
 
2014-05-06 11:45:58 PM

Cerebral Ballsy: PreMortem: I tried synthetic mj once. It was nothing like mj. I think they just market it like that to give the impression it's a safe, mellow high, which it's not. Never again.

I have some here at the house.. It gives me a headache and you feel buzzed, like alcohol buzzed. It wears off in about 2 hours and it sucks!!!

Nothing, nothing like weed.

Week and k2 are the only things I've ever tried

/yeah yeah I should try X or acid


How was the week?
 
2014-05-06 11:46:46 PM
Isn't this unprecedented? Doesn't anyone suspect something may be horribly wrong - like product tampering? Or the manufacturer swapped out one ingredient for a cheaper one and this is the result?

And shame on anyone who says these people deserved to die or it doesn't matter. Fark off.
 
2014-05-06 11:50:46 PM

lindalouwho: Doesn't anyone suspect something may be horribly wrong - like product tampering?


Anyone with an education on this stuff would give you a hearty and LOL you dumbass 'NO.'

It's been around for years. Everyone knows the shiat makes you sketch out. It's an untested freaking research chemical you can buy online in huge quantities.
 
2014-05-06 11:50:58 PM

lindalouwho: Isn't this unprecedented? Doesn't anyone suspect something may be horribly wrong - like product tampering? Or the manufacturer swapped out one ingredient for a cheaper one and this is the result?

And shame on anyone who says these people deserved to die or it doesn't matter. Fark off.


Well fark me too lol

*die or overdose

/yes, not smart
 
433 [TotalFark]
2014-05-06 11:52:50 PM

lindalouwho: And shame on anyone who says these people deserved to die or it doesn't matter. Fark off.


An overdose does not necessarily mean death.  In these cases, patients were admitted due to psychosis, panic attacks, cardiac issues, and a few others, IIRC.  120 people didn't smoke something and die.
 
2014-05-06 11:53:19 PM

bmwericus: Cerebral Ballsy: PreMortem: I tried synthetic mj once. It was nothing like mj. I think they just market it like that to give the impression it's a safe, mellow high, which it's not. Never again.

I have some here at the house.. It gives me a headache and you feel buzzed, like alcohol buzzed. It wears off in about 2 hours and it sucks!!!

Nothing, nothing like weed.

Week and k2 are the only things I've ever tried

/yeah yeah I should try X or acid

Well, if you can get real LSD its pretty interesting, but it can last you 12 hours, and I'm not kidding.  Being ADHD, I was bored after about 6, which makes shrooms perfect.

Never tried any of the newer stuff, my experimentation days were back in the last century and pre-dated all the current rave/party drugs - we stuck with the old fashioned stuff mostly, weed, coke when we could afford it, simple, easy.


Honestly, I haven't done much of anything in years.

For the people who say K2 is more expensive: you buy less, you smoke less. You only smoke one bowl.

For the doof who says it's not for consumption: do you really think it's sold as an incense? Come on.
 
2014-05-06 11:55:44 PM

ScaryBottles: Around the DFW you can pick up an O for like $60 on just about any corner in Deep Ellum or off Lower Greenville


What in the holy heck possesses people to smoke weed that costs $60 an ounce? Kill that crap with Roundup or something.
 
2014-05-06 11:56:17 PM

khyberkitsune: lindalouwho: Doesn't anyone suspect something may be horribly wrong - like product tampering?

Anyone with an education on this stuff would give you a hearty and LOL you dumbass 'NO.'

It's been around for years. Everyone knows the shiat makes you sketch out. It's an untested freaking research chemical you can buy online in huge quantities.


I have no reason to be educated about it, never gonna use it. Know enough that it should be illegal tho. But hey, huffing happens too.

But I do read one hell of a lot. And you want to link to all the other stories with these kind of numbers lol you dumbass?

That's right, it's not a common thing so you can't.
 
2014-05-06 11:58:42 PM

433: lindalouwho: And shame on anyone who says these people deserved to die or it doesn't matter. Fark off.

An overdose does not necessarily mean death.  In these cases, patients were admitted due to psychosis, panic attacks, cardiac issues, and a few others, IIRC.  120 people didn't smoke something and die.


Yeah, I corrected myself but wasn't fast enough. Thanks for being cool about it tho. I pre-emptively wrote fark me too.
 
2014-05-07 12:05:14 AM

fluffy2097: bmwericus: Somaticasual: That's 120 more than would have overdosed on you know, the regular kind...

And we are DONE here.  Came to say that, etc.

Real weed is not nearly as harmful as all the substitutes people will use when they can't use the real thing.  Why is it that the safe stuff is illegal and paint thinner is still sold over the counter?

Because the mexicans used to smoke it and we wanted to deport them many years ago.


That and also the fact that Mr. Hearst invested heavily in trees for his newspaper empire and was against hemp paper.
 
2014-05-07 12:13:27 AM
bmwericus:
Well, if you can get real LSD its pretty interesting, but it can last you 12 hours, and I'm not kidding.  Being ADHD, I was bored after about 6, which makes shrooms perfect.

Never tried any of the newer stuff, my experimentation days were back in the last century and pre-dated all the current rave/party drugs - we stuck with the old fashioned stuff mostly, weed, coke when we could afford it, simple, easy.


Bolded part is the kicker. Most of the "LSD" and "Ecstacy" or "Molly" floating around are anything but.

And the scary part? You don't know what you're buying. You're really on your buddy/dealer's word for it.

I'd feel comfier just getting weed from a dispensary. At least then, I'd know what is was, where it came from, what was used on it, AND that the tax revenue would be going to the state, not the Sinaloan cartel, for example.
 
2014-05-07 12:19:47 AM
I've never smoked weed because it's illegal. I smoked this shiat twice.. The first was a bad experience.. The second time I thought I knew what to expect.. Same crap... I hated it .. SALVIA was more enjoyable.

/as long as it's legal right?
 
2014-05-07 12:26:27 AM

doglover: There's a reason it's labeled "not for human consumption"


And that reason is to get around the prohibition on selling it.
 
2014-05-07 12:26:48 AM

NoahFenze: I've never smoked weed because it's illegal. I smoked this shiat twice.. The first was a bad experience.. The second time I thought I knew what to expect.. Same crap... I hated it .. SALVIA was more enjoyable.

/as long as it's legal right?


Wrong.  Don't be so foolish.  Oral sex is still illegal in my state.  Some laws need to be broken.
 
2014-05-07 12:32:01 AM

rbuzby: NoahFenze: I've never smoked weed because it's illegal. I smoked this shiat twice.. The first was a bad experience.. The second time I thought I knew what to expect.. Same crap... I hated it .. SALVIA was more enjoyable.

/as long as it's legal right?

Wrong.  Don't be so foolish.  Oral sex is still illegal in my state.  Some laws need to be broken.


Ha! If they had oral sex tests that could test the last time I had it.. Well, I'd still be OK. But that's beside the point.. I'm always in fear of a random drug test that'll screw my life up. Hey Texas.. I live here.. Let's make this shiat legal!
 
2014-05-07 12:50:42 AM

NoahFenze: I've never smoked weed because it's illegal. I smoked this shiat twice.. The first was a bad experience.. The second time I thought I knew what to expect.. Same crap... I hated it .. SALVIA was more enjoyable.

/as long as it's legal right?


Hope you make it past 30 with that kind of reasoning. I really do.
 
2014-05-07 12:50:45 AM
Just here to point out the difference between FULL and PARTIAL agonists of the D9-THC receptor.

Mother nature got it exceedingly right.. and TEXAS... never does.

/been there, saw that, never again
 
2014-05-07 12:52:17 AM

steklo: [img.fark.net image 768x1024]


Is that girl even old enough to drive?
 
2014-05-07 01:06:47 AM
Well, that's why they call it Cinco de Face-Eating Bath Salts Zombie, no?
 
2014-05-07 01:07:36 AM

kelphead: kelphead: It's not consistent enough. I smoked the bowls out of the same bag, and each bowl affected me differently.

No thanks

Supposed to say three bowls not the bowls.


Weird, i read it as you intended.

/been working all day for the boss, all night for my own business
 
2014-05-07 01:07:38 AM

talkertopc: steklo: [img.fark.net image 768x1024]

Is that girl even old enough to drive?


 She is old enough.  Holy Moses.
 
2014-05-07 01:16:17 AM

knottybynature: Calling that stuff "synthetic marijuana" is very disrespectful to marijuana


Yes.  There is no such thing as "synthetic marijuana".  It is actually other herbs sprayed with stuff, so call it by the names of the herbs and the stuff.  Stop calling it "synthetic marijuana".  Either it's real marijuana, or it isn't.

I mean, you don't go around calling Miracle Whip "synthetic mayonnaise", do you?  No, it's its own special brand of gross white goop.

/Bonus points for properly using "it's its" in a sentence, right?
//But I'm being serious about my point.  Such a pet peeve.
 
2014-05-07 01:27:52 AM
PreMortem [TotalFark]
2014-05-06 09:42:02 PM

I tried synthetic mj once. It was nothing like mj. I think they just market it like that to give the impression it's a safe, mellow high, which it's not. Never again.


^^^^ That
 
2014-05-07 01:42:13 AM

TheWhoppah: Archfeld: The results of "Intelligent Design" ??
Not that weed is so hard to get in TX, it is just that possession of any of it will send you to jail forever.
Hell, in Texas they might just decide to fast-track you an execution for smoking 'devil' weed.

Possession of Marijuana is a "Cite and Release" offense in Texas.  The officer can write you a ticket and not even take you to jail.  You ain't from around here I take it?


Depends upon what area of the state you happen to be in when a bust might occur.  In Austin a LEO might ask for a toke, in East Texas you'd be fortunate if you weren't shot
 
2014-05-07 02:06:39 AM

Boo_Guy: They could try some Salvia instead if that hasn't been made illegal there yet.


There's really no reason to make salvia illegal.

It's not a trip most people enjoy, and not everyone is even affected by it. Apparently somewhere around 1 in 5 people have zero reaction to smoking salvia. I go to the farking moon.
 
2014-05-07 03:11:01 AM

SemiDiscerning: TheWhoppah: Archfeld: The results of "Intelligent Design" ??
Not that weed is so hard to get in TX, it is just that possession of any of it will send you to jail forever.
Hell, in Texas they might just decide to fast-track you an execution for smoking 'devil' weed.

Possession of Marijuana is a "Cite and Release" offense in Texas.  The officer can write you a ticket and not even take you to jail.  You ain't from around here I take it?

Depends upon what area of the state you happen to be in when a bust might occur.  In Austin a LEO might ask for a toke, in East Texas you'd be fortunate if you weren't shot


^This^ plus the melanin content of your skin are the major factors in how they decide to choose from either "Catch & Release" vs "Mandatory Minimums".

White and likely able to afford a good attorney in Deep Ellum or South Austin is a whole different experience than black/brown and broke in Williamson County or Vidor.
 
2014-05-07 03:20:42 AM
I guess none of our "weed smokers" ever heard of greening out? http://www.newhealthguide.org/Can-You-Overdose-On-Marijuana.html

Guess what, by medical terms, you are overdosing. HOWEVER, aside from one case (which is up for debate), you won't die from an OD on weed like this. A simple treatment of the symptoms is all required.

Typical "greening out" effects:
- Temporary feelings of paranoia, fear and anxiety
-  Shortness of breath
-  Pupil dilation
-  Vomiting and/or nausea
-  Fast heart rate
-  Shaking that is hard to control, feeling cold
-  Disorientation or hallucinations
-  Hangover


/sounds like K2's side effects. Maybe they were "synthing out?"
 
2014-05-07 05:14:52 AM
There are literally hundreds of synthetic cannabinoid drugs now. Some are relatively benign and similar in effect to THC, some are relatively benign but have markedly different effects, some are nasty and tiniest miscalculation in dose can send you into a spiral of paranoia and heart-pounding misery.

One of the main problems with the chemical-laced plant matter that's sold to the public is that there seems to be a competition between the vendors to make it as strong as possible, so that if you try to smoke it like you would normal weed you're almost guaranteed to be using far, far too much.

Personally I enjoyed my few experiments with ur-144 a couple of years back, somewhere around 2mg vapourised directly would cause a really good, strong stoned feeling that wore off in under an hour. But never to be done frequently, and now it's illegal. Not that that's stopped anything, there are just as many synthetics as ever on the market.
 
2014-05-07 06:36:30 AM

khyberkitsune: Archfeld: Not that weed is so hard to get in TX, it is just that possession of any of it will send you to jail forever.

Funny, I whipped out my California medical recommendation, my registration with the county board of health, and showed them a picture of my federally-approved grow room with license on the door when I got pulled over this weekend.

They didn't even blink and just let me go saying "Keep it hid,unless cops ask you, son."


I find that a bit hard to believe.
 
2014-05-07 08:03:09 AM

star_topology: LiberalConservative:
Nope. The people putting a substance into their own body are to blame. Personal responsibility, how does it work? If you don't want to end up in hospital don't do the drug.

All the more reason to criminalize it in the first place, right? Right. Moran.


I never said any such thing, which makes you the moran. Too much puff addled your brain?
 
2014-05-07 08:14:37 AM

lindalouwho: LiberalConservative: MrHappyRotter: Well, when you make the real thing illegal, and difficult to find compared to being able to go to the local head shop and/or hopping online, then yes, you're going to end up with more of this sort of thing. There is no end to legal substances that can get you high, and as you ban one, another is already in the pipeline. But, as you continue down that path, you'll find there's less and less known about the new substance(s), and that the side effects are progressively scarier and more dangerous.

And, you're stupid if you believe that people will just give up on getting high. It's not going to happen.

Let's consider two scenarios. Scenario A: You smoked too much pot, start getting panicky, go to the hospital. If you fess up and admit to what you consumed, they can give you some saline, maybe give you something to calm your nerves. Everything's fine. Scenario B: You bought some herbal thing off the Internet, consumed too much, now your heart is racing and you're drifting in and out of reality. You go to the hospital. Guess what? The hospital is just guessing at how to treat you. They've never heard of this herb, can't verify that's what you actually consumed, and don't know enough about how to treat an overdose to actually effectively keep things from getting worse.

Every last person who is out there fighting against legalization of marijuana or sitting around complacent/apathetic/whatever and not actively voting out the fark heads in the government who keep marijuana illegal are entirely, 100% to blame for these kinds of deaths. End of story.

Nope. The people putting a substance into their own body are to blame. Personal responsibility, how does it work? If you don't want to end up in hospital don't do the drug.

You may be missing the point.


Er.. no. See that bold part above in the original post? States that the dead users are 0% to blame for their deaths. Which is entirely farking stupid. When you understand what personal responsibility is this may make more sense to you.
The use of scenario A and B are also stupid; substance in scenario A is not hard to get. People are purposely seeking out scenario B substances over scenario A substance because they are different/cool/interesting/unknown/riskier/whatever... which is the users farking choice/desire. Nothing to do with complacent or apathetic people.
 
2014-05-07 08:36:14 AM
Get back to me when they're up to the normal numbers of overdoses on regular marijuana
 
2014-05-07 08:38:58 AM

fusillade762: Is real weed that hard to get in Texas?


no...not at all.

i have some sympathy for the first person/people who overdosed a couple years ago on this crap...but those incidents made the news enough that no one else should be stupid enough to plop down money for it!

i thought hippie pot smokers were the people who started "all natural" and "organic" movements...why are they going for synthetic crap?
 
2014-05-07 08:44:45 AM

Archfeld: The results of "Intelligent Design" ??
Not that weed is so hard to get in TX, it is just that possession of any of it will send you to jail forever.
Hell, in Texas they might just decide to fast-track you an execution for smoking 'devil' weed.


yeah, ummmm...no. yes tx is extremely harsh with punishments, and this state does have more prisons than 10 states combined should need, but you don't get into felonies and super long sentences until you get up into possession of ounces or pounds. if you get caught with a couple grams, you're likely to get a hefty ticket, possibly a couple days in jail
 
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