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2014-05-07 09:04:19 AM  

mutterfark: Bob Robert: fusillade762: Most lacked awareness of many aspects of astronomy and their views were coloured by religion.

That's what happens when you include Americans in your survey.

Good troll A++ Because no other country would have large religious people, especially Spain or Italy.


According to Wikipedia, comparing church attendance rates in Europe and US/ Canada shows only Malta(75%), Poland(63%), and Ireland(46%) have higher rates than the US(43%). Italy is at 31%, and Spain is only 21%.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_attendance


That seems like bullshiat (not blaming you mutterfark).
The only people I know who go to church regularly are old people who have nothing better to do. This could only be true if they include Christmas and Easter, when a lot of people go from a vague sense of obligation, mostly as an artefact of cultural inertia.

Funerals and weddings maybe, but them even atheists would be counted as church-goers.

Yes, I know, the plural of anecdote is not data.
 
2014-05-07 09:19:10 AM  

approvedcorn: Arthen: What does university student's knowledge of astronomy have to do with "being ready" for extra terrestrial contact?

I'd think it more has to do with the crappy sample this was taken from. We still have people that believe that the Earth is 6000 years old and revolves around the Sun. Seems basically universally super-potato to you and I, but then we've got this guy...


Luven: I'm one of "Those People"  I'll believe they exist when I meet them, so never.


Just because something is possible doesn't mean it exists.
Just because something is probable doesn't mean it exists.
Proof is proof speculation is nothing.


And here's our basic super-retardo human, averaged out. "I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN SCIENTIFIC PROOFS VS THEORIES, ERGO fark ALL OF YOUR HARD WORK!". This moron will back himself into a corner of what he or she sees with his or her own eyes, and NOTHING else. Between the POSSIBLE AND PROBABLE is where you live your life, which is just dumb...

My speculation is you might have a "wrangler", and they should be ashamed of themselves for letting you get online.

It's an insult for the whole human race. Good job...


As far as trolls go, you're G-r-r-r-reat!
 
2014-05-07 09:30:57 AM  

Ostman: The only people I know who go to church regularly are old people who have nothing better to do


what about children - do your schools not have Chapel attendance as mandatory?
 
2014-05-07 09:31:36 AM  

Driver: FTFA: A high-powered message sent to the Gliese 581 system, a five-planet solar system 20 light-years away, is due to arrive in 2029.

The Gliese 581 system was discovered/confirmed in September 2010 which means the message shouldn't get there until 2030. Unless SETI has a faster than light radio transmission system.


And in an ironic twist, after no longer receiving any intelligent signals on long-wave EM spectrum for thousands of millennia, the peaceful and advanced race of Glieseans will turn off the last of their ancient radio technology in 2028 as they transcend to higher orders of communication
 
2014-05-07 09:35:28 AM  

Seraphym: Driver: FTFA: A high-powered message sent to the Gliese 581 system, a five-planet solar system 20 light-years away, is due to arrive in 2029.

The Gliese 581 system was discovered/confirmed in September 2010 which means the message shouldn't get there until 2030. Unless SETI has a faster than light radio transmission system.

And in an ironic twist, after no longer receiving any intelligent signals on long-wave EM spectrum for thousands of millennia, the peaceful and advanced race of Glieseans will turn off the last of their ancient radio technology in 2028 as they transcend to higher orders of communication


Twitter?
 
2014-05-07 09:38:31 AM  
116 people.  Nice sampling.
 
2014-05-07 09:50:48 AM  

Bob Robert: Rhino_man: I would love to take this test and find out whether or not the study's authors think I'd be ready for contact.

I personally think that I would be... but who knows?

Are you really ready to live on Kolob?


Dunno about Kolob, but there's a great sci-fi short story about a guy who gets kidnapped into a galactic zoo. His habitat is a glass room with bed, lazy boy, and TV with lots of recorded movies and shows. Eventually he requests a mate and they bring him back a porn star.

I think I'd ask for Krista Allen. She's been to space. At least, in one of her Emanuella movies. Or Scarlett. Hell, maybe I'll tell the aliens it's customary for human males to have six mates. How they gonna know?

/freedom schmeedum, sounds like a pretty good life to me
 
2014-05-07 09:58:33 AM  

J. Frank Parnell: I've noticed people are a lot more comfortable with the idea now than they were just 6-7 years ago. No one calls me names when i talk about it here anymore.

And there are people who want to believe we can't handle it, because telling us would change a lot of peoples perspectives. I think they fake these studies to justify keeping it under wraps. They used to use war of the worlds as evidence we would panic, when that is about aliens roaming the planet destroying everything. Not really the same thing at all.


The more studies they do on how humans react in emergency situations, the sillier Hollywood looks. Turns out we mostly tend to band together, keep calm, and accept the new circumstances. Frankly I think getting hungry has a lot to do with that. Hard to get catatonic over the metaphysics when all you can think of is a tuna sandwich.

Humans, on the whole, adapt quickly to sudden change. It's longer-term change we struggle with. When we're forced to change we just do it. When we're not forced, we spend a lot of useless energy denying the change is happening.
 
2014-05-07 10:04:51 AM  

machoprogrammer: Repo Man: Maybe all of the fundie freaks would commit mass suicide.

Do you people have to bring up religion in every thread?


They're pretty extremist about the need to criticize religion. Like it's a fundamental belief for them or something.
 
2014-05-07 10:05:24 AM  
There are likely billions of habitable planets right here in our own galaxy. The universe is comprised of billions of galaxies, each of which is likely to have billions of habitable planets. Life existing on a planet other than earth isn't just likely, it's pretty much a certainty. Intelligent life on at least a few billion planets is highly likely. I don't know what the odds are of intelligent, space-traveling life existing, but it's probably pretty decent. Hell, there could be millions or even billions of space-faring societies out there and we may never know that they exist (or they us). Even assuming that there are at least 1 million Star Trek like societies out there in the vastness of the universe, contact is unlikely because:

1. The universe is incomprehensibly vast. There could be millions of species out there, each capable of traveling hundreds or thousands of light-years, and they may still never come into contact with one another. The odds of a space-traveling species both existing in close enough proximity to Earth AND stumbling into us amongst the plethora of habitable planets in our neighborhood are tiny.

2. If they DO discover Earth, why would they come here? Why go visit the universe's version of Mississippi or Afghanistan when there are billions of billions of other habitable planets out there? We're not really worth studying, we're sure as hell not worth the time and effort it would take to infiltrate our various governments and overthrow the system from within. Even assuming that they could come in here Independence Day-style and wipe us out fairly easily and rape our planet for resources, why bother with this one lonely rock out of billions? Surely there are a HUGE number of planets with unexploited resources that haven't already been consumed and polluted by a race of hairless apes. If they are looking for planets to settle, there are plenty out there that are likely not already inhabited. Those planets would presumably be pristine, with easy access to resources, clean air and water, and no pesky humans to exterminate (or, even dumber, try to co-habitate with). And all of that is assuming that our planet is an exact or close enough match to their home world in terms of gravity, atmospheric composition, temperature, etc.for them to want to live here in the first place.

Let's face the facts - even in the infinitesimally small chance that an intelligent, space-faring civilization does exist in our neighborhood of space and they do discover Earth, we're simply not worth the trouble of either conquering or associating with. If they're curious and have lots of spare time, they might study us from afar and then move on. We're just not that special, and the Earth is not as unique as we like to believe.
 
2014-05-07 10:12:11 AM  

brimed03: Bob Robert: Rhino_man: I would love to take this test and find out whether or not the study's authors think I'd be ready for contact.

I personally think that I would be... but who knows?

Are you really ready to live on Kolob?

Dunno about Kolob, but there's a great sci-fi short story about a guy who gets kidnapped into a galactic zoo. His habitat is a glass room with bed, lazy boy, and TV with lots of recorded movies and shows. Eventually he requests a mate and they bring him back a porn star.

I think I'd ask for Krista Allen. She's been to space. At least, in one of her Emanuella movies. Or Scarlett. Hell, maybe I'll tell the aliens it's customary for human males to have six mates. How they gonna know?

/freedom schmeedum, sounds like a pretty good life to me


Forgot to mention there was beer.

/I did say it sounded like a good life. Of course there was beer.
 
2014-05-07 10:14:01 AM  

SurelyShirley: Are we talking "War of the Wolds" aliens or "E.T." aliens?


The E.T. aliens that weren't E.T. were bastards. Look up the planned E.T. sequels. E.T. must be a lot like Kal-El.
 
2014-05-07 10:20:22 AM  

approvedcorn: Arthen: What does university student's knowledge of astronomy have to do with "being ready" for extra terrestrial contact?

I'd think it more has to do with the crappy sample this was taken from. We still have people that believe that the Earth is 6000 years old and revolves around the Sun. Seems basically universally super-potato to you and I, but then we've got this guy...


Luven: I'm one of "Those People"  I'll believe they exist when I meet them, so never.


Just because something is possible doesn't mean it exists.
Just because something is probable doesn't mean it exists.
Proof is proof speculation is nothing.


And here's our basic super-retardo human, averaged out. "I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN SCIENTIFIC PROOFS VS THEORIES, ERGO fark ALL OF YOUR HARD WORK!". This moron will back himself into a corner of what he or she sees with his or her own eyes, and NOTHING else. Between the POSSIBLE AND PROBABLE is where you live your life, which is just dumb...

My speculation is you might have a "wrangler", and they should be ashamed of themselves for letting you get online.

It's an insult for the whole human race. Good job...


Look, dummy, I can create entire galaxies and taxonomies of fictional beings, but that doesn't mean it actually exists. Being that the UFO fans have the deluded idea that aliens regularly buzz us but erase all traces of visiting because *reasons* (which usually boil down to "we're not worthy" like some pathetic New Age cult)
It's not dumb to chalk up speculation as just speculation, until we have better evidence. Unless you just want to swallow the Drake equation hook, line and sinker, and have a firm rebuttal to the Fermi paradox.
 
2014-05-07 10:42:21 AM  

brimed03: machoprogrammer: Repo Man: Maybe all of the fundie freaks would commit mass suicide.

Do you people have to bring up religion in every thread?

They're pretty extremist about the need to criticize religion. Like it's a fundamental belief for them or something.


or maybe it's current affairs on a current affairs site discussing how the world would react to 'Aliens', with quite a few people who make up that world being religious, and many religions proffering that this world is special to God, concluding that there is no other life out there, I'd say that the subject of Religion is not only valid here, but congruent with the question asked (not to mention the FACT that TFA, and the 'study' both raise the question, too)

So, now what? How can I help you fix your pile of straw on the floor?
 
2014-05-07 11:09:23 AM  

machoprogrammer: Repo Man: Maybe all of the fundie freaks would commit mass suicide.

Do you people have to bring up religion in every thread?


I try to keep it down, but frankly, it disagrees with me.
 
2014-05-07 11:40:43 AM  

Seraphym: And in an ironic twist, after no longer receiving any intelligent signals on long-wave EM spectrum for thousands of millennia, the peaceful and advanced race of Glieseans will turn off the last of their ancient radio technology in 2028 as they transcend to higher orders of communication


Meh ... we'll catch the next one on the way up. Upwardly transcending intelligent life are like street cars - another one will be along in 20 minutes. And like street cars, life rolls in circles. That's how life rolls.
 
2014-05-07 12:09:13 PM  

OOBE Juan Kenobi: Even the ex-Governor of Phoenix couldn't explain the Phoenix Lights back in '97.


Except those lights were later proven to be aerial flares.

BTW, why would anyone expect some politician to be able to explain atmospheric phenomena?
 
2014-05-07 12:44:42 PM  
Awareness of astronomy, physics, math, etc is not necessary for meeting aliens. It probably helps but I think they'd be more concerned over whether or not we'd steal their stuff and shoot them. Humans are xenophobic douchebags with itchy trigger fingers. Aliens know this.

The surest sign there's intelligent life in the universe: they haven't contacted us yet. There are probably signs posted around Earth telling visitors to stay in their vehicles and don't feed the animals.
 
2014-05-07 01:27:30 PM  
I could imagine that people would be pretty freaked out and it may not be in our best interest to meet intelligent alien life.

The 1st scenario is the obvious one. Religion. Then there is the thought, can our governments assure us protection through military means if necessary. If the answer were no, or I don't know, that could cause havoc on society.

Another thing to consider is that if they came here, chances are they are extremely more intelligent than us, and we simply don't have and never will have the capacity to learn at their level. Sort of like it's pointless to try to teach a chimpanzee calculus. No matter how hard you tried he isn't going to grasp it. I wonder how that would effect the psyche of our current human braniacs, and future scientists.

But on the other hand, what if aliens weren't all that more advanced IQ wise than us and they used this "one weird trick" that the energy companies don't want you to know about, and I suppose that would be pretty cool.
 
2014-05-07 01:46:47 PM  
Honestly... We should all be hopeing that the government has been hiding proof of intelligent alien life from us for decades.  Mainly because this would mean 2 things:

1. We are not alone (duh)
2. They are not going to kill us because they would have done it already
 
2014-05-07 02:12:56 PM  
Just from a statistics perspective, anyone who does a study with 116 or so people and claims this is a good enough sampling is a moron... or selling something.
 
2014-05-07 04:59:51 PM  

brimed03: Dunno about Kolob, but there's a great sci-fi short story about a guy who gets kidnapped into a galactic zoo. His habitat is a glass room with bed, lazy boy, and TV with lots of recorded movies and shows. Eventually he requests a mate and they bring him back a porn star.


Isn't that part of the plot of Slaughterhouse-Five?
 
2014-05-07 05:35:39 PM  
Any intelligence that would spend the time and resources to reach us would be unlikely to have a peaceful motive in mind so I do not think any of us would ever be ready. The best situation would be to have verbal contact and then maybe physical contact at some later point.
 
2014-05-07 06:52:05 PM  
problem:  "The survey assessed participants' knowledge of astronomy and their perception of cosmological order - the "place" things occupy in the universe. "

solution:   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p86BPM1GV8M
 
2014-05-08 04:13:08 AM  

Harry_Seldon: Humans can't even deal with Parrots.


Screw 'em. I had a friend in college who had a big parrot, he let it fly freely around his house. Smart thing. Could open cupboard doors and sang songs. Freaked me the fark out, but then I was usually high. Still, I'm with Hitchcock. Fark the birds.
 
2014-05-08 10:28:58 AM  

Bob Robert: Profedius: Any intelligence that would spend the time and resources to reach us would be unlikely to have a peaceful motive in mind so I do not think any of us would ever be ready. The best situation would be to have verbal contact and then maybe physical contact at some later point.

That is backwards thinking. Any intelligence that has the power to travel far distances would be peaceful otherwise their technology and resources would all be spent fighting wars against each other. There is nothing the planet gives to a species that they cannot find in one of the other billions of planets.

The people who do not want to find ET are the people with money and power on this planet. They would become irrelevant.


We only have our history to observe and then speculate on how another intelligence would be. I do not think an advanced intelligence would automatically be peaceful. A wise race would be more likely to be peaceful, but then they would be more likely to be content with a passive type of exploration. It really is all a matter of motivation for something would have to motivate them to discover the tech. and then make the trip. Our explorers didn't travel to the new world just to see what is out there nor did the people already living in the new world as they followed the animals that they hunted. We didn't go to the moon just because we wanted to see what was up there, we went to prove we were better than the Soviet Union.

Maybe the tech. of this alien race has developed to a point where covering the distance between the stars is no different than us crossing the oceans then there might be a chance for them to just stop by and say hello.
 
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