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(Huffington Post UK)   Humans, YOU can't handle the truth about aliens   (huffingtonpost.co.uk) divider line 125
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2014-05-06 10:57:38 PM  

machoprogrammer: <strong><a data-farkhash="" href="http://www.fark.com/comments/8250039/90720638#c90720638" target="_blank">Repo Man</a>:</strong> <em>Maybe all of the fundie freaks would commit mass suicide.</em>

Do you people have to bring up religion in every thread?


The article addresses religion. Unless you have Jesus blocker add-on installed.
 
2014-05-06 11:00:48 PM  

FatherChaos: Ever notice how all aliens are humanoid in shape?  Are we so unimaginative that we can't think of another intelligent life form that doesn't look like us?  It's just humanity's image of gods.


Maybe because that's what we're accustomed to look for.  If a sentient candle or gaseous being, or an almost microscopic species came to us, we would not recognize it, dismiss it, or not even see it.
 
2014-05-06 11:07:47 PM  
Are we talking "War of the Wolds" aliens or "E.T." aliens?
 
2014-05-06 11:09:52 PM  
fark,   90% of the south can't handle being in a room with a black person, or gay person.  Aliens?   HAHAHAHAHAHA!
 
2014-05-06 11:10:28 PM  
"In our obsession with antagonisms of the moment, we often forget how much unites all the members of humanity. Perhaps we need some outside, universal threat to make us recognize this common bond. I occasionally think how quickly our differences worldwide would vanish if we were facing an alien threat from outside this world"
 
2014-05-06 11:11:20 PM  

Luven: I'm one of "Those People"  I'll believe they exist when I meet them, so never.


Just because something is possible doesn't mean it exists.
Just because something is probable doesn't mean it exists.
Proof is proof speculation is nothing.


I take it you're not a religious person then
 
2014-05-06 11:13:47 PM  
Headline:  Humans 'Not Ready' To Meet Aliens, Study Suggests

FTA:  "Professor Gabriel de la Torre came to the conclusion after questioning 116 American, Italian and Spanish university students."

and:  "The survey assessed participants' knowledge of astronomy and their perception of cosmological order - the "place" things occupy in the universe."

[double facepalm.jpg]

If this guy is a professor with that poor of knowledge of basic statistical sampling technique, don't ever attend his university.

What he has is a study which, and with a wide confidence interval half-width (not a good thing), suggests that American, Italian and Spanish university students don't know much about astronomy and haven't figured religion out for themselves yet.  A sample size of 116, against the farking total population of Earth of 7+ billion?  What an idiot, for his multi-blocked undersized "study" alone.
 
2014-05-06 11:17:57 PM  
Doubtful we will ever encounter alien life forms. It goes beyond distance, it's also about time.
 
2014-05-06 11:20:31 PM  
N = r* x Fp x Ne x Fe x Fi x Fc x L

That's a straight forward order of logical operations. Life most certainly exists elsewhere in the universe; the maths are mostly never wrong. Have they visited Earf? I say yes. The Fed says yes, too, what with all the documentaries masked as Hollywood blockbusters, i.e. Men in Black. I personally think we're being prepped for a globally public first contact. I hope so anyway.
 
2014-05-06 11:22:39 PM  

Luven: I'm one of "Those People"  I'll believe they exist when I meet them, so never.


Just because something is possible doesn't mean it exists.
Just because something is probable doesn't mean it exists.
Proof is proof speculation is nothing.


Do you believe in quarks?
 
2014-05-06 11:25:11 PM  
Well, that was pretty stupid.  I think using a survey of 116 students in the US, Italy and Spain to draw conclusions on... anything about the entire human race really, might be the definition of pseudo science.

Also, it's based on a faulty premise, If aliens land on the white house lawn tomorrow it doesn't really matter what our current opinions on our role and location in the universe are, they're going to change.

Finally, with regards to the whole "beaming a signal to nearby stars being a bad idea" thing.  Speculating what the aliens will do with the signal is pointless.  You could just as easily say that they might wipe us out for not sending a signal because that would make us paranoid, and thus a long term threat in their eyes.  Really, if they're only 20 light years away and they have interstellar travel, they're going to come to our system at some point anyway.
 
2014-05-06 11:30:11 PM  

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: Doubtful we will ever encounter alien life forms. It goes beyond distance, it's also about time.


Consider that we may not actually be the most intelligent species in the Universe...

Also consider that rocketry may not be the only way to power a spacecraft, and that human beings tend to only think in terms of what they already know about the Universe. Just because we do not know how to transcend space/time yet, doesn't mean that other civilizations haven't been able to figure it out.

All in all - we're just going to have to admit that we don't know all there is to know about the Universe.

Your comment is akin to saying "It is absolutely impossible to travel large distances across the Universe because I don't think it's possible."  How does that even make sense?
 
2014-05-06 11:32:32 PM  
"The only true wisdom is in knowing you know nothing."

"I know that I am intelligent, because I know that I know nothing."

Socrates
 
2014-05-06 11:37:48 PM  
As a young boy, I dreamed of being a baseball.
 
2014-05-06 11:41:27 PM  
There's too much evidence regarding visitation by aliens on Earth to at lease not give some kind pause for reflection:

From the carvings in caves and artifacts 1000s of years ago, to the the UFOs in paintings 100s of years ago, to the numerous quotations from astronauts, military officers, Presidents, civilian pilots, alien abductees, and just all the regular people that have seen UFOs up close.

Even the ex-Governor of Phoenix couldn't explain the Phoenix Lights back in '97.

They can't ALL be street lamps and flares...
 
2014-05-06 11:44:46 PM  
I may be nuts, ya rly, but I've only caught a glimpse of on only twice, in a sidelong glance. No meth, or any other drugs. They appear normal, but who am I to judge? Only twice, enough to pause and think, WTF? If you stare they look at you like a tard.Probably am.
 
2014-05-06 11:53:12 PM  

fusillade762: Most lacked awareness of many aspects of astronomy and their views were coloured by religion.

That's what happens when you include Americans in your survey.


Right, because there are no Catholics in Italy or Spain. None.

This is what happens when you realize college kids are dumbshiats.
 
2014-05-06 11:54:51 PM  

dennysgod: I take it you're not a religious person then


Hmm not religious in the dogma sense but in the faith way yes.
Nuts i know but i think that's representative of human nature.
I will say this in my defense, i doubt it's anything that any of us can grasp.
Also i don't blame anyone for believing in ET i think the reasons we believe in the two are very similar.
We WANT it to be true. It just tears some people up to think that we might be well and truly alone.
 
2014-05-06 11:57:18 PM  

Steve Zodiac: Bob Robert: Rhino_man: I would love to take this test and find out whether or not the study's authors think I'd be ready for contact.

I personally think that I would be... but who knows?

Are you really ready to live on Kolob?

It's a cook book.


Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos.
 
2014-05-07 12:02:14 AM  
I'm....ambivalent.

On one hand I don't think there's a harm in communicating with alien life, regardless of whether they're more advanced than we are or not.  I think there is a value in knowing we aren't the only intelligent life in the universe. maybe it'll allow us to grow up and stop taking ourselves so God Damned seriously.  There really isn't much harm in talking as long as we recognize they may not wish us well (or ill) and anything they do share with us should be completely understood BY us before we attempt to construct anything.

I highly doubt we would be visited by aliens, however.  Space is just so vast and it's not known if there is a practical means of traversing it. I don't see us being worth the time and effort, frankly.

Being able to speak to intelligent alien life may be the kick in the pants we need to come together as a species, get our shiat together and explore our home system. But I don't think it's practical to assume we'd be visited, especially since we would be as much of an unknown to them as they are to us.
 
2014-05-07 12:02:16 AM  
ts3.mm.bing.net
Speak for yourself.
 
2014-05-07 12:07:38 AM  

icemanwol: "In our obsession with antagonisms of the moment, we often forget how much unites all the members of humanity. Perhaps we need some outside, universal threat to make us recognize this common bond. I occasionally think how quickly our differences worldwide would vanish if we were facing an alien threat from outside this world"


So, we need Dr. Manhattan from The Watchmen (I only saw the movie and know nothing else of the comics/graphic novels).
 
2014-05-07 12:11:46 AM  

FatherChaos: Ever notice how all aliens are humanoid in shape?  Are we so unimaginative that we can't think of another intelligent life form that doesn't look like us?  It's just humanity's image of gods.


That's not the case.

It's just that in the days pre-CGI, it was easier for the guy wearing the suit.
 
2014-05-07 12:20:36 AM  
I, for one, welcome our new giant blue scorpion overlords.
 
2014-05-07 12:33:22 AM  
What would be amazing would be if a craft were to crash-land, get explored, the technology retrofitted and such we'd have a new source of limitless power, and be able to build jet fighters that could turn into giant robot forms is case other aliens were to come to take that crashed ship back.
 
2014-05-07 12:35:19 AM  
Issues that would arise if aliens came to Earth:

- Aliens would spread their religion and some Earth people would be annoyed. Others would join in
- Humans and Aliens might want to marry and some people would think it's unnatural and should be illegal
- One alien will do something bad and suddenly a group of humans will think all aliens are bad
- Humans will be dissappointed if aliens don't have answers to all of life's mysteries and are generally flawed
- Some humans will be afraid aliens want to install their alien laws here on earth
- Alien history would be taught in schools.
- There would be conspiracy theories that they are not really aliens, but are government something or others
- Some people would kill themselves. Others would want to kill the aliens
- We'll use alien technology for bad things
- Youtube and twitter will crash from all the uploads about aliens
- A world wide national holiday will be added to the calendar to mark the day the aliens came
- Another one will be added if we get into a war with them and win
- Somebody will propose having a reality show about them
- Fashion will adapt to match anything cool they are wearing
- We'll watch Alien tv shows and read alien stories and think they are weird, but cool
- Alien diseases will spread and people will get sick
- I would expect to see "Living with Aliens is communism" signs somewhere
- "Now we can have a REAL miss universe contest" jokes would ensue

Okay I did not expect my list to get this long ..... better just stop now....
 
2014-05-07 12:36:26 AM  
Too late. I've already been to The Walmart
 
2014-05-07 12:36:38 AM  

NorthernMT: Arthen: What does university student's knowledge of astronomy have to do with "being ready" for extra terrestrial contact?

This


What if they stop to ask directions? Duh.
 
2014-05-07 12:50:38 AM  
Because coddling ourselves behind religion and other things so we don't have to think or adapt to change is working out for us so well.

I say, bring the aliens on. If certain people can't handle it, maybe it's for the the best.
 
2014-05-07 01:01:02 AM  
Even if they could find us in the vast ocean of space and time, why would aliens bother to visit Earth? A race able to travel intergalactic distances would view us as we view bugs.
Same idea with God: If God ever did exist he would have gotten bored and moved on long ago.


encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com

/Yawn, nothing to see here. Maybe I'll try Mars ...
 
2014-05-07 01:25:02 AM  
FTFA: A high-powered message sent to the Gliese 581 system, a five-planet solar system 20 light-years away, is due to arrive in 2029.

The Gliese 581 system was discovered/confirmed in September 2010 which means the message shouldn't get there until 2030. Unless SETI has a faster than light radio transmission system.
 
2014-05-07 01:36:48 AM  

pedrop357: icemanwol: "In our obsession with antagonisms of the moment, we often forget how much unites all the members of humanity. Perhaps we need some outside, universal threat to make us recognize this common bond. I occasionally think how quickly our differences worldwide would vanish if we were facing an alien threat from outside this world"

So, we need Dr. Manhattan from The Watchmen (I only saw the movie and know nothing else of the comics/graphic novels).


The graphic novel is also Ozymandias's work, but instead of disguising it as Dr Manhattan's work, he makes it look like an alien/monster threat.
 
2014-05-07 02:24:27 AM  

Steve Zodiac: Bob Robert: Rhino_man: I would love to take this test and find out whether or not the study's authors think I'd be ready for contact.

I personally think that I would be... but who knows?

Are you really ready to live on Kolob?

It's a cook book.


Haha, I love you for the Twilight Zone reference.
 
2014-05-07 02:47:17 AM  

Arthen: What does university student's knowledge of astronomy have to do with "being ready" for extra terrestrial contact?


Funny, "being ready" is boner pill ad lingo for getting an erection.
 
2014-05-07 03:24:59 AM  

Harry_Seldon: Humans can't even deal with Parrots.


AMEN !
 
2014-05-07 03:25:56 AM  
i.imgur.com

Nope, not ready
 
2014-05-07 04:18:30 AM  

pedrop357: Arthen: What does university student's knowledge of astronomy have to do with "being ready" for extra terrestrial contact?

No shiat.  The last thing I'd want to talk to someone about after a flight is the air I traveled through, 100x so if I was the pilot.


If I had to speak with someone after a flight, I'd rather it was someone who understood how aircraft work, and didn't think they were held up by magical forces or some goddess of the air. Not that that's necessarily what the conversation will be about, but you know if you get off a 10 hour flight and someone who doesn't believe in planes starts a conversation with you, chances are it's going to end with the obliteration of his country.

It's just common sense.
 
2014-05-07 04:59:05 AM  

Arthen: What does university student's knowledge of astronomy have to do with "being ready" for extra terrestrial contact?


I'd think it more has to do with the crappy sample this was taken from. We still have people that believe that the Earth is 6000 years old and revolves around the Sun. Seems basically universally super-potato to you and I, but then we've got this guy...


Luven: I'm one of "Those People"  I'll believe they exist when I meet them, so never.


Just because something is possible doesn't mean it exists.
Just because something is probable doesn't mean it exists.
Proof is proof speculation is nothing.



And here's our basic super-retardo human, averaged out. "I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN SCIENTIFIC PROOFS VS THEORIES, ERGO fark ALL OF YOUR HARD WORK!". This moron will back himself into a corner of what he or she sees with his or her own eyes, and NOTHING else. Between the POSSIBLE AND PROBABLE is where you live your life, which is just dumb...

My speculation is you might have a "wrangler", and they should be ashamed of themselves for letting you get online.

It's an insult for the whole human race. Good job...
 
2014-05-07 05:25:16 AM  
My best friend, he has these funny turns
he'll look outside and frown and he will say
dude, there's a rabbit out there and I think
he's about to take a shiat on your lawn
and I say, my friend, let it ride.

Or we'll be eating lunch at work in the break room
and he'll point to the ceiling and he'll say
dude, there's a spider hanging there and I think
he's about to take a shiat
and it
might fall down here into our food, and that's disgusting
and I say, my friend, let it ride, let it ride, let it ride.

Let it ride.

And so the Aliens landed
in a massive fleet of shimmering craft
and it was a huge deal for weeks as conferences were held
and the world leaders assembled and gave speeches
and it was all people talked about; we missed a lot of work
and kids stopped going to school and no one cared
and really it was the most amazing time I can think of because it seemed
like anything could happen
and the people gathered in the streets and partied and wondered what came next.
And finally, after a month or so
the President and the alien ambassador whose name he said
we could not pronounce and therefore call him Baklichon
they gave a huge speech together
and it went on for hours but the gist of it was this;
What begins now is a cycle of renewal but also sacrifice
as it has been done before on countless other troubled and polluted worlds
and over billions of years of relentless advancement.
We apologize beforehand, it may seem unfair
but our program of terrestrial correction must be followed without deviation
and your populations must comply and step forth to be evaluated
at any of our many control centers.  Submit to our greater knowledge.
And you shall be analyzed, and depending on your qualities assigned to different zones,
your intake restricted, or increased depending on your current state
and your ailments shall be relieved but you may be unfit to multiply
and are sterilized
as we cull the violent, the deformed, and the unstable lunatics from your ranks
and the best of you, the intelligent and compassionate primates (for that is what you are)
will have their genes studied, sampled, replicated, augmented, and dispersed into
new children
and thus your future will be improved.
The truly useless will of course be eliminated, carefully and with mercy
you know the ones of which I speak.
And you shall be put to work, to useful toil, tearing down the rotten, inefficient cities
and constructing new and better surroundings, cities of harmony and logic
and the wreckage of your last few centuries of war and waste and frantic growth
shall be excised as warts and boils from the Earth
and yes, you can have some of our advanced technologies
that can produce nearly infinite energy
from the rays of your own modest star.
Ah, I know even now what you are saying in your moldy huts and dusty dwellings,
your primitive and territorial urges rise in rebellion, and you imagine
that you will band together and ward us off somehow, but i say right now
such thoughts are futile; our authority is unassailable
and the sooner you get that through your heads the better.
If the majority of you wisely submit, in 200 years your planet will be utterly new
and more glorious than you can now imagine
and it shall be welcomed into the Galactic Network
and from there even greater glories await...
but if you resist, it shall still be done, in 220-230 years at most.
This we know.
In three month's time the Changes will begin.  Choose wisely, human animals
because its going to be one hell of a ride.
Let it ride, let it ride.
Let it ride.

Now I was in a bar, a bar & grille when that was on TV
and most people seemed angry or scared or were breaking things
and my one friend, he said, dude,
those aliens are floating in the sky
and unless I miss my guess, they mean to shiat on us
But they'll never get me, I'm far too clever
i'll fight them to the death, destroy as many as I can
come on, man, we've got to go make plans!
And so I grabbed a Jagermeister bottle and smashed his skull to bits
just to save the Aliens the trouble.
One down.  
Let it ride.
 
2014-05-07 06:12:04 AM  
It would be cool to meet Aliens, until we killed one of them and they got really pissed and nuked us from orbit.
 
2014-05-07 06:24:24 AM  
I was impressed by the sample size. The article is based on interviews of 116 students. Ummm. This is bad even for HuffPo.
 
2014-05-07 07:25:09 AM  
Ladies and gentlemen of the world, it is my utmost privilege to announce to you that these Little Green Men actually do exist, for they are part of the eternal past and venture from all regions of our galaxy to find homage in our earth's center. Governments of the world have been very good at concealing these little visitors and preparing the public with loving movies and pleasant melodies (ya see, like that one -- did ya hear that? -- yes). Controlled media has to cushion the impact of the arrival of our little friends. You see, throughout history many people have claimed to see strange lights in the sky.

Well, the truth of the matter is that these lights, and beings, will only reveal themselves to those who are pure of heart, for these enlightened aliens leave permanent imprinted information on the psyche of those chosen humans only to be revealed to our deteriorating planet at the point in which our civilization shall enter the new age of Light Without Heat.

\obscure?
 
2014-05-07 07:25:53 AM  
Where all da green women at?
 
2014-05-07 08:05:25 AM  

fusillade762: Most lacked awareness of many aspects of astronomy and their views were coloured by religion.

That's what happens when you include Americans in your survey.


Umm.. pretty sure both Spain and Italy are Roman Catholic nations. Catholic nations have some pretty ingrained societal beliefs, one of which is that differing lifestyles to theirs are deservant of systematic alienation.. Seriously. Might have just as well asked steveB.
 
2014-05-07 08:12:30 AM  

Luven: I'm one of "Those People"  I'll believe they exist when I meet them, so never.


Just because something is possible doesn't mean it exists.
Just because something is probable doesn't mean it exists.
Proof is proof speculation is nothing.


soo.... nothing exists until you see it, so don't bother speculationg on anything, just go out there and look. Got it.

Glad you at least approve of the search, however deluded you may be about reality.
 
2014-05-07 08:17:03 AM  

OOBE Juan Kenobi: Abe Vigoda's Ghost: Doubtful we will ever encounter alien life forms. It goes beyond distance, it's also about time.

Consider that we may not actually be the most intelligent species in the Universe...

Also consider that rocketry may not be the only way to power a spacecraft, and that human beings tend to only think in terms of what they already know about the Universe. Just because we do not know how to transcend space/time yet, doesn't mean that other civilizations haven't been able to figure it out.

All in all - we're just going to have to admit that we don't know all there is to know about the Universe.

Your comment is akin to saying "It is absolutely impossible to travel large distances across the Universe because I don't think it's possible."  How does that even make sense?


Well first off, saying 'doubtful' is not saying 'absolutely impossible', so drop the hyperbole please.
I suppose I should have said timing instead of time. I'm not talking about the time it takes to travel great distances. I'm talking about advanced civilizations existing at the same time. Not only is the universe very large, it's also very old.
 
2014-05-07 08:36:15 AM  
img.pandawhale.com
 
2014-05-07 08:37:38 AM  
*wanders off to ask Javier the former classed Mexican "Legal Immigrant" now U.S. citizen what the truth is*
 
2014-05-07 08:41:55 AM  
I've been studying humans on this planet for 58 years, and all I've learned is they want to probe MY ass.
 
2014-05-07 09:04:19 AM  

mutterfark: Bob Robert: fusillade762: Most lacked awareness of many aspects of astronomy and their views were coloured by religion.

That's what happens when you include Americans in your survey.

Good troll A++ Because no other country would have large religious people, especially Spain or Italy.


According to Wikipedia, comparing church attendance rates in Europe and US/ Canada shows only Malta(75%), Poland(63%), and Ireland(46%) have higher rates than the US(43%). Italy is at 31%, and Spain is only 21%.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_attendance


That seems like bullshiat (not blaming you mutterfark).
The only people I know who go to church regularly are old people who have nothing better to do. This could only be true if they include Christmas and Easter, when a lot of people go from a vague sense of obligation, mostly as an artefact of cultural inertia.

Funerals and weddings maybe, but them even atheists would be counted as church-goers.

Yes, I know, the plural of anecdote is not data.
 
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