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(The Raw Story)   People without a religion trying to prevent the government from sanctioning religious actions is just like a religious military regime that murdered scores of people of another religion, says man with the world's most punchable face   (rawstory.com) divider line 107
    More: Dumbass, military dictatorship, Hitler, Todd Starnes, faiths, Declaration of Independence, atheists, Crooks & Liars, prayers  
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2014-05-06 03:55:27 PM  
Ah, that Todd Starnes; bless his heart.

/Because there's no way God will find his brain.
 
2014-05-06 03:59:40 PM  
this must be the right wing current talking point, this is the third issue in a week that has been compared to either the Nazi regime or the actual Holocaust.
 
2014-05-06 04:01:11 PM  
"It's not covered in the mainstream media, it's covered here at the Fox News Channel."

Dear Fox News,

YOU are the mainstream media. Study it out.

Sincerely,
America

Also...

api.ning.com
Would you PLEASE shut the fark up about how oppressed you, and you alone, are?
 
2014-05-06 04:04:30 PM  
Guys, we really shouldn't allow John Hodgman and Jerry Van Dyke to have any more children together.
 
2014-05-06 04:08:02 PM  
The BBQ chicken breast I had for lunch was cold and dry. I may as well be in Auschwitz.
 
2014-05-06 04:10:35 PM  
It was the worst of times, it was the worstest of times...

/kill yourself you whiny assclown
 
2014-05-06 04:11:09 PM  
No, we're just trying to prevent excessive government entanglement with religion.

And all a prayer before opening an official government meeting does is entangle the government excessively with religion.

//Also, for the love of all you hold holy and dear, STOP COMPARING EVERYTHING TO HITLER!
 
2014-05-06 04:15:20 PM  
Ha I knew it was him! I've said that in every thread ever involving Todd Starnes. He really does have the most punchable face out there. Just a sick piece of shiat.
 
2014-05-06 04:18:23 PM  

meat0918: STOP COMPARING EVERYTHING TO HITLER!


You know who ELSE wanted to stop people from comparing shiat to Hitler?
 
2014-05-06 04:19:24 PM  

meat0918: No, we're just trying to prevent excessive government entanglement with religion.

And all a prayer before opening an official government meeting does is entangle the government excessively with religion.

//Also, for the love of all you hold holy and dear, STOP COMPARING EVERYTHING TO HITLER!


It's probably your choice of facial hair.
 
2014-05-06 04:20:47 PM  

exick: Guys, we really shouldn't allow John Hodgman and Jerry Van Dyke to have any more children together.


I was going to ask if Truman Capote got drunk and tried a woman.
 
2014-05-06 04:25:45 PM  

Sin_City_Superhero: meat0918: STOP COMPARING EVERYTHING TO HITLER!

You know who ELSE wanted to stop people from comparing shiat to Hitler?


Jon Stewart?
 
2014-05-06 04:29:38 PM  
Cant ppl just stfu and pray silently in the privacy of their own heads without making it a big official thing?
 
2014-05-06 04:32:52 PM  
"Let's say the atheists are successful in removing creator out of that sentence, alright?" Starnes said. "Who do we put in there? I mean, look, the Germans tried it with Hitler."

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2014-05-06 04:35:25 PM  

elysive: Cant ppl just stfu and pray silently in the privacy of their own heads without making it a big official thing?


But when you pray, go into the open, open the doors and pray to your Father, who must be seen. Then your Father, who sees what is done plain view for everyone else, will reward you.

-Matthew 6:6 (Fox News American Version)
 
2014-05-06 04:36:55 PM  

elysive: Cant ppl just stfu and pray silently in the privacy of their own heads


Isn't that the exact opposite of the 1st amendment.

People have the FREEDOM of religion. Telling them to shut up in is more like OPPRESSION of religion.


And that's really the problem with most people in America. Everyone wants their team to be on top and all the other teams to go away or join up. So society splinters and fragments and quibbles and fights. We have anti-smokers, anti-vaxxers, anti-gays, anti-hate, anti-abortion, anti-this, anti-that. No one accepts that the people who are different from them will act differently and leaves it at that within reason.
 
2014-05-06 04:38:41 PM  
Ya, because Hitler was all about closing the churches and convents.  And then when the Pope ex-communicated him... that was the last straw.
 
2014-05-06 04:43:34 PM  
"Always a good day when the anti-Christian folks get smacked down by the Supreme Court," Starnes quipped.

Being pro-separation of church and state =/= being anti-Christian
 
2014-05-06 04:44:11 PM  

doglover: elysive: Cant ppl just stfu and pray silently in the privacy of their own heads

Isn't that the exact opposite of the 1st amendment.

People have the FREEDOM of religion. Telling them to shut up in is more like OPPRESSION of religion.


And that's really the problem with most people in America. Everyone wants their team to be on top and all the other teams to go away or join up. So society splinters and fragments and quibbles and fights. We have anti-smokers, anti-vaxxers, anti-gays, anti-hate, anti-abortion, anti-this, anti-that. No one accepts that the people who are different from them will act differently and leaves it at that within reason.


People have the freedom to pray out loud too, but not the right to make their prayers official government business . I suppose the answer could be that everyone starts the meeting babbling out loud (I'd state my to do lists b/c fark you public meetings are not when I feel the need to pray), but it might be cacophonous and distracting to the meeting's business.
 
2014-05-06 04:45:12 PM  
It's John Hodgman's evil doppelganger.
 
2014-05-06 04:56:07 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: "Always a good day when the anti-Christian folks get smacked down by the Supreme Court," Starnes quipped.

Being pro-separation of church and state =/= being anti-Christian


I love how its specifically anti-Christian. There's a perception that libbie atheists like myself are really totally in love with Islam, and hate Christianity. I guess it isn't a good fit for their persecution complex if they acknowledge my belief that Islam is a pile of retarded rubbish that needs to be consigned to the dustbin of history along with the rest of them (and perhaps more so).
 
2014-05-06 04:58:07 PM  
Jews are OK though. I'm endlessly fascinated and amused by the apparent OCD in the rabbinical laws.
 
2014-05-06 05:05:48 PM  

doglover: elysive: Cant ppl just stfu and pray silently in the privacy of their own heads

Isn't that the exact opposite of the 1st amendment.

People have the FREEDOM of religion. Telling them to shut up in is more like OPPRESSION of religion.


And that's really the problem with most people in America. Everyone wants their team to be on top and all the other teams to go away or join up. So society splinters and fragments and quibbles and fights. We have anti-smokers, anti-vaxxers, anti-gays, anti-hate, anti-abortion, anti-this, anti-that. No one accepts that the people who are different from them will act differently and leaves it at that within reason.


Btw, my objection is that these people want the govt to endorse a Christian prayer time. If this were about the ability to pray (out loud or silently), there wouldn't have to be special time set aside for each religion. And if they actually gave a crap about divine guidance or inspiration they would probably pray individually rather than letting other political blow-hards lead their prayers. As it stands they just want a govt funded SPECTACLE, to be patted on the back and to exclude other religions. Yippee,

/1st amendment, my ass
 
2014-05-06 05:07:57 PM  
More people have been killed in God's name than for any other reason.
 
2014-05-06 05:10:11 PM  

gilgigamesh: I love how its specifically anti-Christian. There's a perception that libbie atheists like myself are really totally in love with Islam, and hate Christianity. I guess it isn't a good fit for their persecution complex if they acknowledge my belief that Islam is a pile of retarded rubbish that needs to be consigned to the dustbin of history along with the rest of them (and perhaps more so).


In fact, if anyone seriously investigates the matter, there are some rather extreme and dangerous anti-Islamic elements within the atheist community, and many are concerned that there might be related hate group behaviors.  Atheism is awesome, ignorance is terrible.

/r/atheism delenda est.
 
2014-05-06 05:10:32 PM  

qorkfiend: More people have been killed in God's name than for any other reason.


I'd say more people have been killed over resources/plunder, but I guess it depends on how much you buy into various pretexts for war.
 
2014-05-06 05:11:52 PM  
The Fox News outrage specialist

LULZ
 
2014-05-06 05:12:11 PM  
How can we ALL be Hitler?
 
2014-05-06 05:13:43 PM  

qorkfiend: More people have been killed in God's name than for any other reason.


Hmmm...considering how many people were killed in the two world wars (neither were really religious), plus the tens of millions killed by the Soviets and Communist China in various purges, man made famines, and the like, I think one could argue against that if you actually crunch the numbers.
 
2014-05-06 05:14:58 PM  
www.rawstory.com

take off his glasses and put on that little mustache and you have a fat Hitler...
 
2014-05-06 05:15:50 PM  

Geotpf: qorkfiend: More people have been killed in God's name than for any other reason.

Hmmm...considering how many people were killed in the two world wars (neither were really religious), plus the tens of millions killed by the Soviets and Communist China in various purges, man made famines, and the like, I think one could argue against that if you actually crunch the numbers.


I know, I know. It sounds nice and anti-religious, though.
 
2014-05-06 05:16:25 PM  

doglover: And that's really the problem with most people in America. Everyone wants their team to be on top and all the other teams to go away or join up. So society splinters and fragments and quibbles and fights. We have anti-smokers, anti-vaxxers, anti-gays, anti-hate, anti-abortion, anti-this, anti-that. No one accepts that the people who are different from them will act differently and leaves it at that within reason.


When was this happy, kumbaya group-time you speak of?  Seriously?  What year?  Because it has never happened int he history of this country.  The writers of the Constitution expected people to bicker and argue.  They set up things the way they did precisely because they assumed America would be made up of lots of squabbling factions, and they would have to figure out what was most important and what was rubbish - by yelling at each other.  You are literally complaining the system works exactly as designed. Not figuratively, but literally literally. Free speech, free press, free association - all put there to encourage people to spit and hiss at full volume.  And at no point has America been united as one voice to carry out the Great 5-year Plan of Total Unity. The Constitutional Convention was just short of a donnybrook; and ratification was just as contentious.  And we have never quit
 
2014-05-06 05:16:40 PM  
The term "Punchable Face" gets tossed around a lot these days but Starnes is literally a hair behind Grover Norquist for most punchable ever.
 
2014-05-06 05:16:43 PM  

UrukHaiGuyz: I'd say more people have been killed over resources/plunder, but I guess it depends on how much you buy into various pretexts for war.

The nice part (for the warmongers) is that religion is a convenient pretext that can serve as a focal point for everyone both for and against it. Meanwhile, no one will notice while you're stealing all the farking gold.
 
2014-05-06 05:17:40 PM  

Headso: take off his glasses and put on that little mustache and you have a fat Hitler...


Charles Nelson Hitler.
 
2014-05-06 05:19:54 PM  
The conservative constitution:

1st Amendment: Right to be Christian and never challenged or questioned if you attempt to legislate biblically and I can say whatever I want with no repercussions.

2nd Amendment: Right to have all the guns

The end.
 
2014-05-06 05:20:29 PM  

Headso: [www.rawstory.com image 615x345]

take off his glasses and put on that little mustache and you have a fat Hitler...


gimme a few minutes
 
2014-05-06 05:21:05 PM  

UrukHaiGuyz: qorkfiend: More people have been killed in God's name than for any other reason.

I'd say more people have been killed over resources/plunder, but I guess it depends on how much you buy into various pretexts for warmany bullshiat excuses you're willing to make to prop up your inherently racist, sexist and homophobic ideology.

 
2014-05-06 05:22:35 PM  
He looks like Arnim Zola's gay brother
 
2014-05-06 05:22:51 PM  

exick: The nice part (for the warmongers) is that religion is a convenient pretext that can serve as a focal point for everyone both for and against it. Meanwhile, no one will notice while you're stealing all the farking gold.


Prior to the past couple of centuries, you didn't really need much of a pretext.  "We want their shiat" was good enough by itself.

Hard to guess on numbers, though.  Even a century of constant warfare in the middle ages probably couldn't come close to one year of WW2, though you would probably have to divide up the WW2 numbers by reasoning.
 
2014-05-06 05:23:19 PM  

gilgigamesh: Jews are OK though. I'm endlessly fascinated and amused by the apparent OCD in the rabbinical laws.


Jews are OK up until they satisfy those Revelations requirements for Israel. Then they get thrown under the Jesus bus.
 
2014-05-06 05:24:56 PM  
Let's see how quickly it takes for someone to refuse to participate in the prayer to be immediately followed by some raisin cake shouting "hey,we didn't get a harumph out of that guy" and then be denied participation in the townhall or whatever meeting.
 
2014-05-06 05:25:22 PM  
Every time I hear people cheer the slow breakdown of the separation of church & state, I get the feeling that those same people just can't wait for the day where they will have the power of law behind them to punish the unbelievers and heretics.

You know, just like those hotbeds of democracy like Saudi Arabia, Bangladesh, and Iran!
 
2014-05-06 05:25:46 PM  
I know it's just hearsay, but there was a reddit thread about one of Todd Starnes' faux outrage stories a few months back. A comment in the thread was a gay guy who met Starnes at an event at his christian university. He said Starnes seemed to pick up on his gay-side (I feel wrong just typing that, Starnes sensed he was gay), and made a point of inviting the guy to come intern with him in DC, and would message him for months afterwards in a provocative way. Not saying Todd Starnes is an in-the-closet gay hater, but dude is totally gay. Nothing wrong with that, just makes me sad to see someone so full of self hatred.
 
2014-05-06 05:28:13 PM  
Courtesy of Todd Starnes, I present to you, the most pathetic attempt at observational humor in op-ed history.

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2014/03/27/funny-thing-happened-on-wa y- to-ham-sandwich/
 
2014-05-06 05:29:41 PM  

Headso: [www.rawstory.com image 615x345]

take off his glasses and put on that little mustache and you have a fat Hitler...


Quick and dirty... but good call
i451.photobucket.com
 
2014-05-06 05:29:47 PM  

Dhusk: He looks like Arnim Zola's gay brother


Well, "Todd Starnes" is just the human shaped cyborg extension of the previous Todd Starnes who was downloaded into a computer years ago, and is now known as Free Republic.
 
2014-05-06 05:29:55 PM  
We live in a nation of majority rule. The USSC basically said it's okay for a local government to open their meetings with prayer IF THEY WANT TO, i.e. If they voted to have such prayer.

So, if a majority of the council or whatever want to hold a vote to NOT have prayer before their meetings any longer, they can do that too.

What they can NOT do--ever-- is make that prayer mandatory or required or of a specific denomination.

Welcome to America.
 
2014-05-06 05:30:18 PM  
So hypothetically, if I sat in the gallery of an 'official proceeding', and disrupted the opening 'traditional' prayer, would I be charged disrupting an official proceeding? Are there statutes specific to the disruption of an official proceeding, or do they generally just remove you from the gallery?

Hmm, Im not articulating this useless question very well. Time for beer.
 
2014-05-06 05:31:16 PM  
gimp at work is so weak, compared to at home... oh well.
 
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