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(Talking Points Memo)   Alabama Chief Justice Roy Moore clarifies earlier comments that First Amendment applies only to Christians: "Come on, you couldn't possibly believe I really think the First Amendment only applies to Christians. What are you, stupid?"   (talkingpointsmemo.com) divider line 68
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2014-05-06 02:38:55 PM  
More like, "Oh shiat, so that's how the Internet works?"
 
2014-05-06 02:42:40 PM  

The Goddamn Batman: More like, "Oh shiat, so that's how the Internet works?"


I mean, he's a learned man and all, and I fell like he has the capability for nuance that exceeds mine, but having read his previous statement it didn't seem to open the door to any other interpretation.  I'm wondering either what I missed or what he claims we did.
 
2014-05-06 02:48:14 PM  
Since he was removed, he has been known as the "Ted Commandments Judge."

Who the f*ck is Ted?
 
2014-05-06 02:50:30 PM  
For someone all about the 10 Commandments, he sure doesn't mind being a habitual liar.
 
2014-05-06 02:57:25 PM  

Walker: Since he was removed, he has been known as the "Ted Commandments Judge."

Who the f*ck is Ted?


I don't know, but I assume his commandments are along these lines:

"I am thy buddy Ted".

"Thou shall have no other Teds before me."

"Remember Sunday Ted is having a barbeque, so keep the day open"

"Hey, I know ole Ted's wife is one fine lady, but hands off, kay?"

"Sorry to keep asking, but you borrowed Ted's riding mower last week. I saw you had your eye on it for a while, but come on buddy. Ted's gotta do the lawn this weekend."

And so on.
 
2014-05-06 02:59:00 PM  
He was removed from the bench for refusing to follow Federal law. Then he gets re-elected. Fark you, Alabama. You reap what you sow.
 
2014-05-06 03:03:52 PM  

Sin_City_Superhero: He was removed from the bench for refusing to follow Federal law. Then he gets re-elected. Fark you, Alabama. You reap what you sow.


Yeah, this.  Unfortunately, Alabama seems to be OK with that.
 
2014-05-06 03:10:37 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: Sin_City_Superhero: He was removed from the bench for refusing to follow Federal law. Then he gets re-elected. Fark you, Alabama. You reap what you sow.

Yeah, this.  Unfortunately, Alabama seems to be OK with that.


Alabama is a f*cked up place. Sex toys are illegal there.
First time offenders face a $10,000 fine and a year in prison, while repeat offenders can face up to ten years in prison.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Obscenity_Enforcement_Act
 
2014-05-06 03:35:42 PM  
Meh.

I think he's lying.  But it's little matter.  Plenty of people do believe that.   Bryan Fischer and the AFA for one.
 
2014-05-06 03:37:07 PM  

Walker: Since he was removed, he has been known as the "Ted Commandments Judge."

Who the f*ck is Ted?


Apparently, a really bossy guy, what with all the commandments and all.
 
2014-05-06 03:40:39 PM  

Walker: Benevolent Misanthrope: Sin_City_Superhero: He was removed from the bench for refusing to follow Federal law. Then he gets re-elected. Fark you, Alabama. You reap what you sow.

Yeah, this.  Unfortunately, Alabama seems to be OK with that.

Alabama is a f*cked up place. Sex toys are illegal there.
First time offenders face a $10,000 fine and a year in prison, while repeat offenders can face up to ten years in prison.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Obscenity_Enforcement_Act


I remember when the entire South was that way - you had to buy "novelty" items, there were no sex toy stores that explicitly said they were sex toys.  Possession of a sex toy was illegal and if you were popped for something else, it was sure to be added on if the cops saw it (one girl in my dorm was arrested for possession, and they added the sex toy to the charges).

Christians be cray-cray, yo.
 
2014-05-06 03:44:27 PM  
Translation: "Please don't strip me of my judgeship again"?
 
2014-05-06 03:48:09 PM  

Walker: Since he was removed, he has been known as the "Ted Commandments Judge."

Who the f*ck is Ted?


Ted Haggard.
 
2014-05-06 03:58:55 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: Walker: Benevolent Misanthrope: Sin_City_Superhero: He was removed from the bench for refusing to follow Federal law. Then he gets re-elected. Fark you, Alabama. You reap what you sow.

Yeah, this.  Unfortunately, Alabama seems to be OK with that.

Alabama is a f*cked up place. Sex toys are illegal there.
First time offenders face a $10,000 fine and a year in prison, while repeat offenders can face up to ten years in prison.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Obscenity_Enforcement_Act

I remember when the entire South was that way - you had to buy "novelty" items, there were no sex toy stores that explicitly said they were sex toys.  Possession of a sex toy was illegal and if you were popped for something else, it was sure to be added on if the cops saw it (one girl in my dorm was arrested for possession, and they added the sex toy to the charges).

Christians be cray-cray, yo.


Well that pretty much answers the question as to whether they have a "moral" objection to homosexuality and abortion, as opposed to the critical view that these positions are just thin cover for a Taliban-like desire to legislate sexual activity in general.

Don't remember any "thou shalt not" language in the Bible relating to Mandingo Double Dongs.
 
2014-05-06 04:01:20 PM  

gilgigamesh: Benevolent Misanthrope: Walker: Benevolent Misanthrope: Sin_City_Superhero: He was removed from the bench for refusing to follow Federal law. Then he gets re-elected. Fark you, Alabama. You reap what you sow.

Yeah, this.  Unfortunately, Alabama seems to be OK with that.

Alabama is a f*cked up place. Sex toys are illegal there.
First time offenders face a $10,000 fine and a year in prison, while repeat offenders can face up to ten years in prison.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Obscenity_Enforcement_Act

I remember when the entire South was that way - you had to buy "novelty" items, there were no sex toy stores that explicitly said they were sex toys.  Possession of a sex toy was illegal and if you were popped for something else, it was sure to be added on if the cops saw it (one girl in my dorm was arrested for possession, and they added the sex toy to the charges).

Christians be cray-cray, yo.

Well that pretty much answers the question as to whether they have a "moral" objection to homosexuality and abortion, as opposed to the critical view that these positions are just thin cover for a Taliban-like desire to legislate sexual activity in general.

Don't remember any "thou shalt not" language in the Bible relating to Mandingo Double Dongs.


LOL - like most religious injunctions have any relation to any biblical reference at all.

You - you I like.  You're funny.
 
2014-05-06 04:11:04 PM  

stpauler: For someone all about the 10 Commandments, he sure doesn't mind being a habitual liar.


Have you never met an evangelical before?
 
2014-05-06 04:11:19 PM  
Well, the Supreme Court has ruled that council meetings can begin with prayer as long as they are CHRISTIAN prayers. Moore probably isn't far off from the views of SCOTUS.

This farking country, I swear.
 
2014-05-06 04:12:07 PM  

Sin_City_Superhero: He was removed from the bench for refusing to follow Federal law. Then he gets re-elected. Fark you, Alabama. You reap what you sow.


You seem to think this isn't what the morans want.
 
2014-05-06 04:12:07 PM  

Walker: Since he was removed, he has been known as the "Ted Commandments Judge."

Who the f*ck is Ted?


img.fark.net
 
2014-05-06 04:15:57 PM  

factoryconnection: The Goddamn Batman: More like, "Oh shiat, so that's how the Internet works?"

I mean, he's a learned man and all, and I fell like he has the capability for nuance that exceeds mine, but having read his previous statement it didn't seem to open the door to any other interpretation.  I'm wondering either what I missed or what he claims we did.


I think he is getting national political aspiration and realizes that the "derp" must be distributed only to the "base" and behind closed doors if he wants to fool enough people to vote for him.  When he was originally kicked off of the Alabama Supreme Court he formed an exploratory committee to run in the Republican presidential primaries in 2012 if anyone doubts he has those national political aspirations I stated earlier.
 
2014-05-06 04:16:32 PM  

Walker: Since he was removed, he has been known as the "Ted Commandments Judge."

Who the f*ck is Ted?


Came in to ask this as well.

Maybe it's Jesus' younger brother?  He does the tree pruning.
 
2014-05-06 04:17:21 PM  
I have been informed by fundamentalist Christians that Christianity is not a religion, but that it is a relationship with Jesus Christ. Therefore, the First Amendment to the United States Constitution cannot apply to Christianity.
 
2014-05-06 04:17:37 PM  

Lackofname: Well, the Supreme Court has ruled that council meetings can begin with prayer as long as they are CHRISTIAN prayers. Moore probably isn't far off from the views of SCOTUS.

This farking country, I swear.


If you're the guy that's been posting this since yesterday, you're still wrong - that's not what that decision means. (If not, you're still wrong, but less often.)
 
2014-05-06 04:21:19 PM  

gilgigamesh: Walker: Since he was removed, he has been known as the "Ted Commandments Judge."

Who the f*ck is Ted?

I don't know, but I assume his commandments are along these lines:

"I am thy buddy Ted".

"Thou shall have no other Teds before me."

"Remember Sunday Ted is having a barbeque, so keep the day open"

"Hey, I know ole Ted's wife is one fine lady, but hands off, kay?"

"Sorry to keep asking, but you borrowed Ted's riding mower last week. I saw you had your eye on it for a while, but come on buddy. Ted's gotta do the lawn this weekend."

And so on.


Glory to Ted in the highest!
 
2014-05-06 04:23:58 PM  

heavymetal: I think he is getting national political aspiration and realizes that the "derp" must be distributed only to the "base" and behind closed doors if he wants to fool enough people to vote for him


Yeah, cause that worked out so well for Romney.

For better or worse, you no longer can assume to NOT be recorded and NOT have it published to the internet within about 5 minutes. There is really no such thing as "off the record" any longer.
 
2014-05-06 04:24:04 PM  

The Goddamn Batman: Walker: Since he was removed, he has been known as the "Ted Commandments Judge."

Who the f*ck is Ted?

Ted Haggard.


Or Nugent.
 
2014-05-06 04:25:00 PM  

tvmedia.ign.com


RIP Ted Commandments

 
2014-05-06 04:25:06 PM  

heavymetal: factoryconnection: The Goddamn Batman: More like, "Oh shiat, so that's how the Internet works?"

I mean, he's a learned man and all, and I fell like he has the capability for nuance that exceeds mine, but having read his previous statement it didn't seem to open the door to any other interpretation.  I'm wondering either what I missed or what he claims we did.

I think he is getting national political aspiration and realizes that the "derp" must be distributed only to the "base" and behind closed doors if he wants to fool enough people to vote for him.  When he was originally kicked off of the Alabama Supreme Court he formed an exploratory committee to run in the Republican presidential primaries in 2012 if anyone doubts he has those national political aspirations I stated earlier.


I kinda doubt it. Moore will be 71 when his current term on the court is up in 2018.
 
2014-05-06 04:27:36 PM  

qorkfiend: heavymetal: factoryconnection: The Goddamn Batman: More like, "Oh shiat, so that's how the Internet works?"

I mean, he's a learned man and all, and I fell like he has the capability for nuance that exceeds mine, but having read his previous statement it didn't seem to open the door to any other interpretation.  I'm wondering either what I missed or what he claims we did.

I think he is getting national political aspiration and realizes that the "derp" must be distributed only to the "base" and behind closed doors if he wants to fool enough people to vote for him.  When he was originally kicked off of the Alabama Supreme Court he formed an exploratory committee to run in the Republican presidential primaries in 2012 if anyone doubts he has those national political aspirations I stated earlier.

I kinda doubt it. Moore will be 71 when his current term on the court is up in 2018.


So he's like Arpaio. Happy in his powerful seat. His fiefdom.
 
2014-05-06 04:28:11 PM  
Yes, I do think you believe that the First Amendment specifically grants the freedom to pick from a list of pre-approved Christian denominations (specifically: Protestantism excluding Seventh Day Adventists, Christian Scientists, Mormons, and dancing Methodists).

And yes, I also do think you're stupid.
 
2014-05-06 04:28:12 PM  

Dr Dreidel: Lackofname: Well, the Supreme Court has ruled that council meetings can begin with prayer as long as they are CHRISTIAN prayers. Moore probably isn't far off from the views of SCOTUS.

This farking country, I swear.

If you're the guy that's been posting this since yesterday, you're still wrong - that's not what that decision means. (If not, you're still wrong, but less often.)


You know, just saying "you're wrong" doesn't add much. You actually have to back up how something is wrong. Otherwise it's on par with "no u".
 
2014-05-06 04:29:54 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: Walker: Benevolent Misanthrope: Sin_City_Superhero: He was removed from the bench for refusing to follow Federal law. Then he gets re-elected. Fark you, Alabama. You reap what you sow.

Yeah, this.  Unfortunately, Alabama seems to be OK with that.

Alabama is a f*cked up place. Sex toys are illegal there.
First time offenders face a $10,000 fine and a year in prison, while repeat offenders can face up to ten years in prison.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Obscenity_Enforcement_Act

I remember when the entire South was that way - you had to buy "novelty" items, there were no sex toy stores that explicitly said they were sex toys.  Possession of a sex toy was illegal and if you were popped for something else, it was sure to be added on if the cops saw it (one girl in my dorm was arrested for possession, and they added the sex toy to the charges).

Christians be cray-cray, yo.


That is a messed up was for the world to find out she had a dildo, or for a guy to be exposed as owning a pocket pussy.
 
2014-05-06 04:31:52 PM  
Bulllshiat, Judge.  You know EXACTLY what you meant.  Backpedaling only shows you to be a spineless weasel.  Maybe next time, you won't make such sweeping unconstitutional statements in public where...you know...cameras can record you.
 
2014-05-06 04:32:04 PM  

Nadie_AZ: qorkfiend: heavymetal: factoryconnection: The Goddamn Batman: More like, "Oh shiat, so that's how the Internet works?"

I mean, he's a learned man and all, and I fell like he has the capability for nuance that exceeds mine, but having read his previous statement it didn't seem to open the door to any other interpretation.  I'm wondering either what I missed or what he claims we did.

I think he is getting national political aspiration and realizes that the "derp" must be distributed only to the "base" and behind closed doors if he wants to fool enough people to vote for him.  When he was originally kicked off of the Alabama Supreme Court he formed an exploratory committee to run in the Republican presidential primaries in 2012 if anyone doubts he has those national political aspirations I stated earlier.

I kinda doubt it. Moore will be 71 when his current term on the court is up in 2018.

So he's like Arpaio. Happy in his powerful seat. His fiefdom.


Yep. The one twist is that apparently the Alabama State Constitution says judges can't run for re-election if they're over 70, so technically this should be Moore's last term on the court...
 
2014-05-06 04:32:37 PM  
Our Ted, whose art is passable, hello'd be thy name.
Thy grill be fun, much mirth as cold beers are heavenly
Give us this day, our seasoned bun
And forgive us our trespasses,
As we put mustard on our hot dogs
Lead us now into your bathroom, to deliver us from urine
For thine is the power-washer, and the crescent wrench
That I really will bring back over.

/Amen
 
2014-05-06 04:33:52 PM  

Close2TheEdge: Bulllshiat, Judge.  You know EXACTLY what you meant.  Backpedaling only shows you to be a spineless weasel.  Maybe next time, you won't make such sweeping unconstitutional statements in public where...you know...cameras can record you.


Yeah, there's no way I believe this guy was trying to pull a Poe or be Sarcastic.
 
2014-05-06 04:34:10 PM  

Lackofname: Dr Dreidel: Lackofname: Well, the Supreme Court has ruled that council meetings can begin with prayer as long as they are CHRISTIAN prayers. Moore probably isn't far off from the views of SCOTUS.

This farking country, I swear.

If you're the guy that's been posting this since yesterday, you're still wrong - that's not what that decision means. (If not, you're still wrong, but less often.)

You know, just saying "you're wrong" doesn't add much. You actually have to back up how something is wrong. Otherwise it's on par with "no u".


OK.

SCOTUS ruled that opening a legislative session with a prayer does not violate the establishment clause, even if the supplicants chosen are explicitly Christian and use Christian-themed prayers. They could have a rotating schedule featuring Baha'i, Islam, Buddhism, and Coptics if they wanted, or even just stick with Baha'i.

I don't support the decision either, but to say that they mandate Christian prayers is flat incorrect.

// now back to Judge Dipshiat
 
2014-05-06 04:42:19 PM  
FTA: "Buddha didn't create us, Mohammed didn't create us, it was the God of the Holy Scriptures. They didn't bring the Koran over on the pilgrim ship," he continued. "Let's get real, let's go back and learn our history. Let's stop playing games."


No, I really have no idea who you think the First Amendment applies to.
Really ambiguous. Seriously. Can't figure it out.
/ judge asshat
 
2014-05-06 04:46:47 PM  

Dr Dreidel: Lackofname: Dr Dreidel: Lackofname: Well, the Supreme Court has ruled that council meetings can begin with prayer as long as they are CHRISTIAN prayers. Moore probably isn't far off from the views of SCOTUS.

This farking country, I swear.

If you're the guy that's been posting this since yesterday, you're still wrong - that's not what that decision means. (If not, you're still wrong, but less often.)

You know, just saying "you're wrong" doesn't add much. You actually have to back up how something is wrong. Otherwise it's on par with "no u".

OK.

SCOTUS ruled that opening a legislative session with a prayer does not violate the establishment clause, even if the supplicants chosen are explicitly Christian and use Christian-themed prayers. They could have a rotating schedule featuring Baha'i, Islam, Buddhism, and Coptics if they wanted, or even just stick with Baha'i.

I don't support the decision either, but to say that they mandate Christian prayers is flat incorrect.

// now back to Judge Dipshiat


You are technically correct, the best kind of correct, however, given the nature of small town politics and the abuses of power that it fosters I don't think it's too far off from saying that the SCOTUS 5-4 decision is a defacto endorsement of government sanctioned christian prayers.
 
2014-05-06 04:48:13 PM  

rewind2846: FTA: "Buddha didn't create us, Mohammed didn't create us, it was the God of the Holy Scriptures. They didn't bring the Koran over on the pilgrim ship," he continued. "Let's get real, let's go back and learn our history. Let's stop playing games."


No, I really have no idea who you think the First Amendment applies to.
Really ambiguous. Seriously. Can't figure it out.
/ judge asshat


Some of the Africans brought to America as slaves were Muslims, so yes, the Quran was brought to America on your ship(s).

"I didn't land on Plymouth Rock, Plymouth Rock landed on me!"
 
2014-05-06 04:51:43 PM  

Dr Dreidel: SCOTUS ruled that opening a legislative session with a prayer does not violate the establishment clause, even if the supplicants chosen are explicitly Christian and use Christian-themed prayers. They could have a rotating schedule featuring Baha'i, Islam, Buddhism, and Coptics if they wanted, or even just stick with Baha'i.

I don't support the decision either, but to say that they mandate Christian prayers is flat incorrect.

// now back to Judge Dipshiat


Can they just stick to one? My understanding of the article (haven't read the ruling) was that they have to be impartial in terms of choosing who gets to do it--but if there are only Christians willing to lead the prayer, it's not illegal to just pick Christians, because no one else is stepping up.  In the specific case, there just weren't non-Christians involved.
 
2014-05-06 04:53:27 PM  

Hoarseman: You are technically correct, the best kind of correct, however, given the nature of small town politics and the abuses of power that it fosters I don't think it's too far off from saying that the SCOTUS 5-4 decision is a defacto endorsement of government sanctioned christian prayers.


Which is why I don't support the decision.

As a Jew (formerly, a fairly religious one) who has sat through numerous "nondenominational" state-sponsored prayers that end in "in Jesus' name we pray", it's not like this wasn't happening already.

// including one at my brother's graduation from boot camp
// and he was just as pleased as punch to be prayed for in Jesus' name after volunteering to be Maryland's cannon fodder, lemme tell you
 
2014-05-06 04:56:08 PM  
I will tenuously accept this retraction, because everyone gets one.
 
2014-05-06 04:56:54 PM  

Lackofname: Well, the Supreme Court has ruled that council meetings can begin with prayer as long as they are CHRISTIAN prayers. Moore probably isn't far off from the views of SCOTUS.

This farking country, I swear.


No- that's not what that ruling means.

They specifically ruled that legislative prayer CAN be Christian prayers. The plaintiffs in the case either wanted the legislative prayers abolished or they wanted to restrict them to only speaking in generic, ecumenical terms. SCOTUS ruled that the establishment clause is compatible with legislative prayer, and that such prayer can be specific to one religion. The ruling explicitly protects the rights of Jews, Muslims, Satanists, etc. to give legislative prayers that are specific to their faith as well. The ruling also listed a number of criteria that legislative prayer has to meet in order to be constitutional.

The way the first amendment has been interpreted in modern precedent, the government cannot favor any one religion, but they also can't favor non-religion.
 
2014-05-06 04:57:30 PM  
Your Cadillac has got one wheel in the ditch and a wheel on the track

/still true 40+ years later
 
2014-05-06 04:58:15 PM  
The lady doth protest too much, methinks.
 
2014-05-06 05:00:13 PM  
"Let's get real," he said, while speaking of his imaginary friend.
 
2014-05-06 05:01:13 PM  

Walker: Since he was removed, he has been known as the "Ted Commandments Judge."

Who the f*ck is Ted?


It's TED and no way he would ever get invited to give a speech so I'm guessing that he is called that sarcasticly.
 
2014-05-06 05:05:40 PM  

gilgigamesh: Walker: Since he was removed, he has been known as the "Ted Commandments Judge."

Who the f*ck is Ted?

I don't know, but I assume his commandments are along these lines:

"I am thy buddy Ted".

"Thou shall have no other Teds before me."

"Remember Sunday Ted is having a barbeque, so keep the day open"

"Hey, I know ole Ted's wife is one fine lady, but hands off, kay?"

"Sorry to keep asking, but you borrowed Ted's riding mower last week. I saw you had your eye on it for a while, but come on buddy. Ted's gotta do the lawn this weekend."

And so on.


You are now farkied as "Follower of the Ted Commandments. :D

/Keyboard, soda, nose...you know the drill
 
2014-05-06 05:07:36 PM  

China White Tea: "Let's get real," he said, while speaking of his imaginary friend.


Apparently what Jesus would do is scribble on the wall in crayon, paint the dog, and assemble a drumk kit out of the nice ppts and pans.
 
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