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(Forbes)   Putin's "Council on Civil Society and Human Rights" accidentally posts the real Crimean referendum results. The originally announced results were accurate plus or minus 82%   (forbes.com) divider line 192
    More: Followup, Vladimir Putin, Crimea, civil society, referendum, big lies, appropriations, Human Rights Council  
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2014-05-06 02:07:51 PM
This is my surprised face.
 
2014-05-06 02:32:46 PM
youdon'tsay.jpeg
 
2014-05-06 02:59:57 PM
Snowden strikes again
 
2014-05-06 03:41:30 PM
I know of at least one person on that council that's moving to Siberia...
 
2014-05-06 03:41:31 PM
www.tonysrants.com
 
2014-05-06 03:42:47 PM
Well, that's something.
 
2014-05-06 03:43:06 PM

MadCat221: I know of at least one person on that council that's moving to Siberia...


Why would they ship a corpse all that way?
 
2014-05-06 03:44:10 PM

Pribar: MadCat221: I know of at least one person on that council that's moving to Siberia...

Why would they ship a corpse all that way?


You've never heard of preemptively stopping a zombie apocalypse?
 
2014-05-06 03:45:15 PM
Will the West Ukraine let Putin get away with it again?

Fixed that for the hawkish author. Ukraine's fight, Ukraine's problem. We are NOT going to get in a nuclear war over their problems. We aren't even going to get involved in a land war in Asia over their problems. Sucks to be them.
 
2014-05-06 03:45:22 PM
The results were about 50%. Assuming that anyone who didn't vote would have voted no is even more dishonest than the Russians.
 
2014-05-06 03:45:31 PM
img.fark.net
 
2014-05-06 03:46:48 PM
I like the final line of the article:  Will the West let Putin get away with it again?

Um . . . probably.  There isn't a farking thing that can be done short of war, and we are not going to do that
 
2014-05-06 03:46:50 PM
Wait, someone cooked the numbers?

Surely governments don't do that.
 
2014-05-06 03:47:03 PM
And maybe the "real" results were leaked in order to prompt Ukraine or the West to do something foolish.
 
2014-05-06 03:48:33 PM

Keyser_Soze_Death: Wait, someone cooked the numbers?

Surely governments don't do that.


Those Crimean guys will try anything!
 
2014-05-06 03:49:12 PM
Next you are going to tell me that Santa isnt real!
 
2014-05-06 03:50:48 PM
Rigging elections?

Great. Now the Potato Squad is even more in love with Vladamir McDreamy.
 
2014-05-06 03:51:26 PM
Will the West let Putin get away with it again?

I'm not so sure we let him "get away" with the Crimea thing. He had to decide go go ahead and strap a time bomb to the Russian economy in order to get it done.
 
2014-05-06 03:52:08 PM
...surprising no-one.
 
2014-05-06 03:52:13 PM

Copper Spork: The results were about 50%. Assuming that anyone who didn't vote would have voted no is even more dishonest than the Russians.


www.sport-fitness-advisor.com
 
2014-05-06 03:52:22 PM
Kinda like the 2012 election...except Obama is way better at hiding it.
 
2014-05-06 03:52:27 PM

Copper Spork: The results were about 50%. Assuming that anyone who didn't vote would have voted no is even more dishonest than the Russians.


No it isn't.
 
2014-05-06 03:52:54 PM

zoomddy: I like the final line of the article:  Will the West let Putin get away with it again?

Um . . . probably.  There isn't a farking thing that can be done short of war, and we are not going to do that


yep. And everyone knows that there are thousands of Russian speaking minorities being oppressed in the Kuril Islands ... I've got $20 saying that happens in the next 18months.
 
2014-05-06 03:53:18 PM
 
2014-05-06 03:53:57 PM

Copper Spork: The results were about 50%. Assuming that anyone who didn't vote would have voted no is even more dishonest than the Russians.


Considering the vote was being held by gun-toting pro-Russians who'd already seized power by force, it's rather safe to assume that any result is skewed in their favor.

It may not have been that 100% of those not voting favored staying Ukrainian, but it was a hell of a lot more than 50%.
 
2014-05-06 03:54:30 PM
What difference is this supposed to make?
 
2014-05-06 03:54:45 PM

img.fark.net


unlikely:
This is my surprised face.

 
2014-05-06 03:54:51 PM

Pribar: MadCat221: I know of at least one person on that council that's moving to Siberia...

Why would they ship a corpse all that way?


Seriously. That's what all those cannons are there for.
 
2014-05-06 03:55:55 PM

Copper Spork: The results were about 50%. Assuming that anyone who didn't vote would have voted no is even more dishonest than the Russians.


Keeping in mind that a lot of people boycott elections like this to deny their legitimacy, so a fair percentage non-voters would have been against.

Even putting that aside, there is a major difference between 4 out of 5 people in the region proclaiming they definitely want to be part of Russian and 1 out of 6 proclaiming they want to be part of Russian with the opinion of 2/3 or the population unknown.

For reference, to meet the official numbers from Russia, every single person making up the 70% of the population who didn't vote would have had to be pro-annexation.
 
2014-05-06 03:55:56 PM

Copper Spork: The results were about 50%. Assuming that anyone who didn't vote would have voted no is even more dishonest than the Russians.


You must be J.P.'s alt.
 
2014-05-06 03:56:08 PM
Oh for heavens' sake! We've just discussed the link in the previous thread, and here we go _again_?!

I'll just repeat what I've posted there - anyone interested in more details may look it there:  http://www.fark.com/comments/8249301/90711793#c90711793

About the link Forbes links to:

This is not an official site of Russian government. The authors of the article are not Russian officials; they don't have any access to any real information; they have honestly pointed out in the beginning of the article that this is a personal opinion of 3 people, based on their personal visits to Crimea, on them speaking with locals, with community leaders, opposition leaders, priests, etc, and their gut feeling.

Those numbers are not based on anything else.

"Presiden't Council" is a place, where Putin have collected all the liberals, oppositioners and rebels for them to "advise" him on things and, in my opinion, to keep them in one place for possible future relocation to Siberia. :) They don't have any power; they don't have access to any closed information. They often have opinions that are against the Russian official position, but they rarely have any actual evidence in support of those positions.

I'm afraid this particular link doesn't prove anything.
 
2014-05-06 03:56:28 PM

Copper Spork: The results were about 50%. Assuming that anyone who didn't vote would have voted no is even more dishonest than the Russians.


Yeah, "assuming" something is definitely more dishonest than stirring up a 'movement' for independence comprised entirely of your own countries infiltrated subterfuge units (the proper word momentarily escapes me), then completely fabricating the election results and lying to the world about it. Totally worse.

If anything it's so obvious I'm surprised you even bothered to say anything at all, Romero.
 
2014-05-06 03:56:55 PM

zoomddy: I like the final line of the article:  Will the West let Putin get away with it again?

Um . . . probably.  There isn't a farking thing that can be done short of war, and we are not going to do that


WE aren't. Ukraine looks like they're about ready to.
 
2014-05-06 03:57:25 PM

jehovahs witness protection: Kinda like the 2012 election...except Obama is way better at hiding it.


I was wondering how the trolls would some how bring up Obama. Next time you all cry BUT BUT BUSH I'll link to this comment
 
2014-05-06 03:57:46 PM

That Guy Jeff: Will the West Ukraine let Putin get away with it again?

Fixed that for the hawkish author. Ukraine's fight, Ukraine's problem. We are NOT going to get in a nuclear war over their problems. We aren't even going to get involved in a land war in Asia over their problems. Sucks to be them.


You do realize the whole "Never get involved in a land war in Asia" thing comes from the book the Princess Bride right and not whatever military leader people are erroneously attributing that quote to this week right? True story.
 
2014-05-06 03:58:12 PM

Copper Spork: The results were about 50%. Assuming that anyone who didn't vote would have voted no is even more dishonest than the Russians.


Well to be fair, when you have armed militias/soldiers in the street, with opponents being detained and roughed up, and a ballot that has no status quo option, perhaps it is a little safer to assume that those who are staying home would be more predisposed to voting no.  At the very least given the circumstances of the vote and what was announced they were correct in the assumption that their vote would not be accurately counted.
 
2014-05-06 03:58:52 PM

jehovahs witness protection: Kinda like the 2012 election...except Obama is way better at hiding it.


i0.kym-cdn.com
 
2014-05-06 03:58:59 PM

jehovahs witness protection: Kinda like the 2012 election...except Obama is way better at hiding it.


Swiiiiiiiing and a miss!
 
2014-05-06 03:59:10 PM

Copper Spork: The results were about 50%. Assuming that anyone who didn't vote would have voted no is even more dishonest than the Russians.


No one is assuming that, first, and second - no, it would be less dishonest.

The important point is that the officially released numbers stated that over 80% of the adult population affirmatively voted to join with Russia instead if the around 25% who appeared to.
 
2014-05-06 04:03:34 PM

ScaryBottles: That Guy Jeff: Will the West Ukraine let Putin get away with it again?

Fixed that for the hawkish author. Ukraine's fight, Ukraine's problem. We are NOT going to get in a nuclear war over their problems. We aren't even going to get involved in a land war in Asia over their problems. Sucks to be them.

You do realize the whole "Never get involved in a land war in Asia" thing comes from the book the Princess Bride right and not whatever military leader people are erroneously attributing that quote to this week right? True story.


No shiat. In fact, I have no idea what your talking about with erroneous attribution, because I was just trying to inject some fun by quoting Vizzini.
 
2014-05-06 04:03:48 PM
they scrapped all the hanging chads to get money for vodak


/scrap or die
 
2014-05-06 04:04:44 PM
Hey Scott Walker, we found voter fraud!
 
2014-05-06 04:04:57 PM
Translation problem, in Cyrilic 5 = 9 and 0 = 7, therefore 50% = 97%
 
2014-05-06 04:07:08 PM

Copper Spork: The results were about 50%. Assuming that anyone who didn't vote would have voted no is even more dishonest than the Russians.


But most of them would have--they're just smart enough to realize the whole thing was a sham and there was no pointing in wasting one's time.
 
2014-05-06 04:07:10 PM

LewDux: [www.sport-fitness-advisor.com image 200x200]


"Pulling my leg"?
 
2014-05-06 04:08:51 PM
Atleast Russia faked elections unlike the the current government in Keiv, they just took control by force of IMF bankers.
 
2014-05-06 04:09:09 PM
Honestly that's a really terrible interpretation of those stats to say "only 15% of Crimeans supported Russian unification", it's like saying "the number of people who voted for *insert modern President's name here* got less than a third of the eligible vote". It's not as impressive a number to be sure, but nothing in it actually suggests Russia would have lost had they not actually done this. Plus I'm skeptical of Google Translate being your resource for what the article actually said when the syntax is an absolute mess between the various percentages mentioned.

Oh and I agree Russia totally manipulated the results to make this seem like it was a big vote in support of them, but I don't think this is terribly great evidence of that until someone who actually speaks Russian translates it.
 
2014-05-06 04:10:17 PM

That Guy Jeff: ScaryBottles: That Guy Jeff: Will the West Ukraine let Putin get away with it again?

Fixed that for the hawkish author. Ukraine's fight, Ukraine's problem. We are NOT going to get in a nuclear war over their problems. We aren't even going to get involved in a land war in Asia over their problems. Sucks to be them.

You do realize the whole "Never get involved in a land war in Asia" thing comes from the book the Princess Bride right and not whatever military leader people are erroneously attributing that quote to this week right? True story.

No shiat. In fact, I have no idea what your talking about with erroneous attribution, because I was just trying to inject some fun by quoting Vizzini.


but why? he surely is a meanie.
 
2014-05-06 04:10:22 PM

Grahor: Oh for heavens' sake! We've just discussed the link in the previous thread, and here we go _again_?!

I'll just repeat what I've posted there - anyone interested in more details may look it there:  http://www.fark.com/comments/8249301/90711793#c90711793

About the link Forbes links to:

This is not an official site of Russian government. The authors of the article are not Russian officials; they don't have any access to any real information; they have honestly pointed out in the beginning of the article that this is a personal opinion of 3 people, based on their personal visits to Crimea, on them speaking with locals, with community leaders, opposition leaders, priests, etc, and their gut feeling.

Those numbers are not based on anything else.

"Presiden't Council" is a place, where Putin have collected all the liberals, oppositioners and rebels for them to "advise" him on things and, in my opinion, to keep them in one place for possible future relocation to Siberia. :) They don't have any power; they don't have access to any closed information. They often have opinions that are against the Russian official position, but they rarely have any actual evidence in support of those positions.

I'm afraid this particular link doesn't prove anything.


So, the President of Russia's Council on Civil Society and Human Rights, which was set up by Putin, which is a part of the Russian government, which went to Crimea and did exit polling, and then had it's findings removed from the web,,,

Is NOT the President of Russia's Council on Civil Society and Human Rights
Was NOT set up by Putin
Did NOT do exit polling in Crimea
And did NOT have it's results pulled from the web

Got it

Try harder
 
2014-05-06 04:10:25 PM
It's not the people who vote that count. It's the people who count the votes.
 
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