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2014-05-06 03:51:59 PM
Downtown Detroit's growing tech hub....

I stopped reading there because I was laughing too hard.
 
2014-05-06 04:04:35 PM

Walker: Downtown Detroit's growing tech hub....

I stopped reading there because I was laughing too hard.


You know what's funny? Office space is so cheap and since there are so many quality universities (courtesy of the Automotive good years) churning out STEM talent Detroit is an untapped tech market. I got out but I have tons of friends still in metro Detroit with underemployed engineering skills.
 
2014-05-06 04:08:43 PM
Wait, is "Detroit" the joke, or is it the writer's repe@ted @lter@tion of "M@dison"?
 
2014-05-06 04:09:37 PM
Yeah Microsoft sucks for bringing good jobs to one of the most economically depressed cities in the USA. What a bunch of cocks.  Christ what is wrong with tech fanboys?  If I hated a company I'd still be happy to see them hiring in downtown Detroit.  Things are rough all over sure but let's be honest, Detroit needs all the help it can get.
 
2014-05-06 04:15:29 PM

Egoy3k: Yeah Microsoft sucks for bringing good jobs to one of the most economically depressed cities in the USA. What a bunch of cocks.  Christ what is wrong with tech fanboys?  If I hated a company I'd still be happy to see them hiring in downtown Detroit.  Things are rough all over sure but let's be honest, Detroit needs all the help it can get.


agreed. I see nothing but positive in this story.
 
2014-05-06 04:19:34 PM

Walker: Downtown Detroit's growing tech hub....

I stopped reading there because I was laughing too hard.


Are you subby? If not, I guess that makes two dumb farkers.

Southeast Michigan is home to a LOT of engineers. Microsoft has had a presence here for a long time, I've worked with Microsoft tech evangelists on CE and Embedded NT for automotive and locomotive applications.

Of course, the typical software engineer here is particularly "multilingual" and usually can lay claim to knowing C/C++ and even assembler as their core programming knowledge, while most of the code jockeys in the "Valley" are lost outside of Java or Perl. Engineers here also typically are experienced in everything from embedded microcontrollers to enterprise systems.

It doesn't hurt that there is infrastructure in place and lots of cheap office space to be had, along with less congestion.

...but let's not let a little enlightenment hold you back from your amusement, shall we? It's a far funnier world when you are ignorant, willfully or otherwise.
 
2014-05-06 04:25:24 PM
Sure. And Lakisha and WillieJ can code in ASP.net in Motown.
 
2014-05-06 04:25:49 PM

detroitdoesntsuckthatbad: You know what's funny? Office space is so cheap and since there are so many quality universities (courtesy of the Automotive good years) churning out STEM talent Detroit is an untapped tech market. I got out but I have tons of friends still in metro Detroit with underemployed engineering skills.


THIS

if you're doing a start up, you can do it almost anywhere. All you really need is to convince your people to be there.

And one problem with the Bay Area is that it's farking expensive to rent apartments and offices. A lot of new startups are appearing in places like Portland and Raleigh for this reason.
 
2014-05-06 04:33:42 PM
just an office?

i mean why just an office, they could probably get like several blocks on the cheap
 
2014-05-06 04:53:43 PM

loonatic112358: just an office?

i mean why just an office, they could probably get like several blocks on the cheap


Yeah but if you take a few blocks you then have to sway/round up the packs of feral dogs. Who wants to deal with all that?
 
2014-05-06 04:57:51 PM

farkeruk: detroitdoesntsuckthatbad: You know what's funny? Office space is so cheap and since there are so many quality universities (courtesy of the Automotive good years) churning out STEM talent Detroit is an untapped tech market. I got out but I have tons of friends still in metro Detroit with underemployed engineering skills.

THIS

if you're doing a start up, you can do it almost anywhere. All you really need is to convince your people to be there.

And one problem with the Bay Area is that it's farking expensive to rent apartments and offices. A lot of new startups are appearing in places like Portland and Raleigh for this reason.


It's weird I moved to downtown Raleigh and now live in downtown Portland.

Rent in PDX is crazy but rent in midtown for a comparable apartment is almost as much. Supply and demand and all that. Just not enough nice apartments in Detroit proper. Raleigh is awesome and a very underrated city too. Planning on moving back one day.
 
2014-05-06 05:21:45 PM
Why is this a bad thing?
 
2014-05-06 05:25:22 PM
The tech company I work for has an office downtown.  Business is pretty good.
 
2014-05-06 05:32:50 PM
So the salaries there are lower than India? Or will be.....
 
2014-05-06 06:12:03 PM

Egoy3k: Yeah Microsoft sucks for bringing good jobs to one of the most economically depressed cities in the USA. What a bunch of cocks.  Christ what is wrong with tech fanboys?  If I hated a company I'd still be happy to see them hiring in downtown Detroit.  Things are rough all over sure but let's be honest, Detroit needs all the help it can get.


Some people have trouble distinguishing real life from the shiatty comedy monologues they hear on Late Nite TV..
 
2014-05-06 06:12:39 PM
About damn time.  We've been losing well-educated graduates from some world-leading universities for decades.
Maybe now when kids graduate from UMich and decide to stick around South-East Michigan they won't have to say goodbye to all their friends like I did 13 years ago.

It sucked, skating through a degree in biology from a major university, only to wind up working as a part time substitute teacher, part time retail monkey, and part time construction worker.
 
2014-05-06 06:14:17 PM
Why do people think they know a lot about Detroit just cuz they've heard jokes about it? I would bet real dollars that subby has never been to the D and yet thinks he can make bad and nonsensical jokes about it... bizzarre
 
2014-05-06 06:25:06 PM

detroitdoesntsuckthatbad: Rent in PDX is crazy but rent in midtown for a comparable apartment is almost as much. Supply and demand and all that. Just not enough nice apartments in Detroit proper. Raleigh is awesome and a very underrated city too. Planning on moving back one day.


I'm in the UK and know a few people in Raleigh by working with them. Smart people, and I really like women with that accent.
 
2014-05-06 06:28:18 PM

farkeruk: detroitdoesntsuckthatbad: Rent in PDX is crazy but rent in midtown for a comparable apartment is almost as much. Supply and demand and all that. Just not enough nice apartments in Detroit proper. Raleigh is awesome and a very underrated city too. Planning on moving back one day.

I'm in the UK and know a few people in Raleigh by working with them. Smart people, and I really like women with that accent.


Yeah I married one. Not the best choice I ever made.
 
2014-05-06 06:33:02 PM
I don't get it
 
2014-05-06 06:40:29 PM

LesserEvil: It doesn't hurt that there is infrastructure in place and lots of cheap office space to be had, along with less congestion.


There was this time I interviewed for an engineering gig in Sealy TX building military trucks and MWRAPs. I found out my competition was a woman from Detroit and had more experience (thus filling two check boxes), they could have saved me two days and a round trip from Tyler

Then they moved the whole operation to Michigan six months later. I felt subtly satisfied. The jobs lost could be quickly sucked up in oil services.
 
2014-05-06 06:59:02 PM

farkeruk: detroitdoesntsuckthatbad: You know what's funny? Office space is so cheap and since there are so many quality universities (courtesy of the Automotive good years) churning out STEM talent Detroit is an untapped tech market. I got out but I have tons of friends still in metro Detroit with underemployed engineering skills.

THIS

if you're doing a start up, you can do it almost anywhere. All you really need is to convince your people to be there.

And one problem with the Bay Area is that it's farking expensive to rent apartments and offices. A lot of new startups are appearing in places like Portland and Raleigh for this reason.


That's the tough part.  Last time I was looking for work, I had a friend say he could probably get me an interview.  "Do you still work in Detroit?"  "Near it."  I wasn't desperate enough yet.  But that was almost a decade ago.  Maybe Detroit's better now.  But I wouldn't know because I don't think Detroit will ever recover enough charm to entice me in my lifetime.  It'd have to be one charming motherfarkin' city.
 
2014-05-06 07:58:59 PM

jtown: farkeruk: detroitdoesntsuckthatbad: You know what's funny? Office space is so cheap and since there are so many quality universities (courtesy of the Automotive good years) churning out STEM talent Detroit is an untapped tech market. I got out but I have tons of friends still in metro Detroit with underemployed engineering skills.

THIS

if you're doing a start up, you can do it almost anywhere. All you really need is to convince your people to be there.

And one problem with the Bay Area is that it's farking expensive to rent apartments and offices. A lot of new startups are appearing in places like Portland and Raleigh for this reason.

That's the tough part.  Last time I was looking for work, I had a friend say he could probably get me an interview.  "Do you still work in Detroit?"  "Near it."  I wasn't desperate enough yet.  But that was almost a decade ago.  Maybe Detroit's better now.  But I wouldn't know because I don't think Detroit will ever recover enough charm to entice me in my lifetime.  It'd have to be one charming motherfarkin' city.


It's nice enough in the metro area, if you are ok with the cold weather every winter. Southeast Michigan has a lot going for it... recreation is great - camping, fishing, boating, hunting, off-roading. Anybody who has done a fall color tour also misses it greatly when they move south. We have casinos, it's a short trip to the premier coaster amusement park in the world (Cedar Point), and there are enough quirky places to go that there is little excuse to be bored unless you are dead broke.

Heck, there are even parts near downtown that aren't too bad to live. I've seen some rather nice developments only a couple of miles from Greektown (which is also a great place to go). You sure can't beat the cost of living here, either. If you have to live in Detroit "proper" - send your kids to a private school and they'll be fine (Detroit public schools cost Michigan more per student than any other school system, yet boasts the worst dropout rate and they can't even stock toilet paper). Detroit's water supply, it might surprise you to learn, is one of the best in the country... good enough for brands like Aquafina and Dasani and most of southeast Michigan.

Just avoid any areas where the McDonald's has bulletproof glass between the patrons and workers (yes, we have one of those, on Davison Avenue, just off of I-75 and I-96).
 
2014-05-06 08:25:00 PM

LesserEvil: Detroit's water supply, it might surprise you to learn, is one of the best in the country... good enough for brands like Aquafina and Dasani and most of southeast Michigan.

Just avoid any areas where the McDonald's has bulletproof glass between the patrons and workers (yes, we have one of those, on Davison Avenue, just off of I-75 and I-96).


The 'burb I bought a house in contracts with Detroit for the water.  I (excitedly) read the report every year because the water is pretty much amazing.
And yes to the bullet-proof glass.  It's a strange experience to know that things are that lawless in places. I'm not shy about the fact that I carry a gun and sometimes feel that it is most appropriate to have it holstered in plain sight. It sits on the driver's seat between my legs when I drive and has certainly caused some rapid-rethinking in a guy or two who forced me to show them the business end of it.
 
2014-05-06 08:38:38 PM

LesserEvil: It's nice enough in the metro area, if you are ok with the cold weather every winter. Southeast Michigan has a lot going for it... recreation is great - camping, fishing, boating, hunting, off-roading. Anybody who has done a fall color tour also misses it greatly when they move south. We have casinos, it's a short trip to the premier coaster amusement park in the world (Cedar Point), and there are enough quirky places to go that there is little excuse to be bored unless you are dead broke.

Heck, there are even parts near downtown that aren't too bad to live. I've seen some rather nice developments only a couple of miles from Greektown (which is also a great place to go). You sure can't beat the cost of living here, either. If you have to live in Detroit "proper" - send your kids to a private school and they'll be fine (Detroit public schools cost Michigan more per student than any other school system, yet boasts ...


Not to detract from a perfectly good Detroit thread, but I feel compelled to point out many of these things can be said about Cleveland.  If you don't mind cold, it's a good part of the country to be in.
 
2014-05-06 08:43:09 PM

ThatGuyOverThere: LesserEvil: Detroit's water supply, it might surprise you to learn, is one of the best in the country... good enough for brands like Aquafina and Dasani and most of southeast Michigan.

Just avoid any areas where the McDonald's has bulletproof glass between the patrons and workers (yes, we have one of those, on Davison Avenue, just off of I-75 and I-96).

The 'burb I bought a house in contracts with Detroit for the water.  I (excitedly) read the report every year because the water is pretty much amazing.
And yes to the bullet-proof glass.  It's a strange experience to know that things are that lawless in places. I'm not shy about the fact that I carry a gun and sometimes feel that it is most appropriate to have it holstered in plain sight. It sits on the driver's seat between my legs when I drive and has certainly caused some rapid-rethinking in a guy or two who forced me to show them the business end of it.


Fun fact: in SE Michigan nearly every community uses Detroit water. Exceptions are Grosse Pointe Farms, Grosse Pointe City and Highland Park and their rates are (at least they used to be) much lower.

All the people bellyaching about moving to Detroit for work should know Metro Detroit is actually very nice since for so long the city sucked so all the money moved to the suburbs.
 
2014-05-06 08:46:26 PM

ReverendJasen: Wait, is "Detroit" the joke, or is it the writer's repe@ted @lter@tion of "M@dison"?


M$crosoft.
 
2014-05-06 08:58:28 PM
Why do I expect Charlie Murphy and his crew to be waiting to rob the first employee there?
 
2014-05-06 09:31:50 PM
Detroit is rapidly sucking all the hipsters out of Ann Arbor.  I think these are the hipsters whose trust funds couldn't get them to the East or West Coasts where their more well-heeled brethren pretend to be poor.

However, Detroit attracting hipsters is way better than anybody with a pulse leaving town.  It is really turning around post-bankruptcy.   Downtown and midtown and pockets of neighborhoods are nice.  However there are still miles of vacant land in the Forbidden Zone that is populated by Uniclams.
 
2014-05-06 10:22:03 PM
And best of all, you can a buy a house with your first weeks paycheck, but make sure your health plan covers trips to the ER after a driveby, in case you get mistaken for a prior resident.
 
2014-05-06 10:47:54 PM

detroitdoesntsuckthatbad: Walker: Downtown Detroit's growing tech hub....

I stopped reading there because I was laughing too hard.

You know what's funny? Office space is so cheap and since there are so many quality universities (courtesy of the Automotive good years) churning out STEM talent Detroit is an untapped tech market. I got out but I have tons of friends still in metro Detroit with underemployed engineering skills.


I keep saying that Detroit will be the hipster place to be within 15 years or so. Maybe sooner. I am right. Watch.
 
2014-05-06 10:53:17 PM

drjekel_mrhyde: Why is this a bad thing?


Because Detroit moochers socialism Chicagoisnext or something.
 
2014-05-06 10:56:09 PM

SacriliciousBeerSwiller: detroitdoesntsuckthatbad: Walker: Downtown Detroit's growing tech hub....

I stopped reading there because I was laughing too hard.

You know what's funny? Office space is so cheap and since there are so many quality universities (courtesy of the Automotive good years) churning out STEM talent Detroit is an untapped tech market. I got out but I have tons of friends still in metro Detroit with underemployed engineering skills.

I keep saying that Detroit will be the hipster place to be within 15 years or so. Maybe sooner. I am right. Watch.


Agreed and that's why I kept my yacht club membership when I moved away. In 15 years that's going to be gold when I move back.
 
2014-05-06 11:33:28 PM
Detroit is a great city populated with great people.  There is a rich history of world class engineering manufacturing.  Also, great liveability, great sports teams, and beautiful retreats.
 
2014-05-06 11:53:08 PM
ThatGuyOverThere

It sucked, skating through a degree in biology from a major university, only to wind up working as a part time substitute teacher, part time retail monkey, and part time construction worker.
You aren't hoping hard enough for change.

Hope harder, perhaps the oba-messiah is deep in thought, or busy, or traveling. Maybe he is sleeping and must be awakened.
 
2014-05-07 06:54:00 AM

OnlyM3: ThatGuyOverThere

It sucked, skating through a degree in biology from a major university, only to wind up working as a part time substitute teacher, part time retail monkey, and part time construction worker.You aren't hoping hard enough for change.

Hope harder, perhaps the oba-messiah is deep in thought, or busy, or traveling. Maybe he is sleeping and must be awakened.


You sound like a failure. But nah, it's not your fault, it's Obama's.
 
2014-05-07 08:32:06 AM

ThatGuyOverThere: It sits on the driver's seat between my legs when I drive and has certainly caused some rapid-rethinking in a guy or two who forced me to show them the business end of it.


So when you have to stop abruptly the gun flys down to your feet.... yeah great thinking there Sherlock.
 
2014-05-07 10:10:33 AM
I am posting these pictures so people understand what a hell-hole metro-Detroit is. Please stay away. You have beenwarned

www.metroalive.com

beckyshiresphotography.com

www.ci.royal-oak.mi.uswww.reasite.com
 
2014-05-07 10:16:08 AM
Oh yea, definitely stay away, I mean look at this ruin porn, how do we even live here?

www.salst.com

urbane-dev.com

iehs.wayne.edu
 
2014-05-07 11:25:59 AM
Detroit is never going to be what it was, but that's not necessarily a bad thing. I think they honestly need to bulldoze a lot of the empty blocks and let it go back to nature.

Start small in the downtown area, use this opportunity to invest in infrastructure (I would have NO problem with more Federal money helping here), and let it grow as big as people want it to. Keep all the downtown buildings you want, just make sure they have the latest technological capabilities. If infrastructure is there, business will follow.

That makes good, steady work for laborers on demo crews, it reduces the area that the overworked, understaffed, and underfunded police and firefighting crews have to cover, and over time it will modernize a city that needs it.
 
2014-05-07 12:05:41 PM

nunyadang: Oh yea, definitely stay away, I mean look at this ruin porn, how do we even live here?

[www.salst.com image 540x360]

[urbane-dev.com image 575x431]

[iehs.wayne.edu image 846x375]


The two times I've visited must have just been shiatty weeks, combined with the area I drove through it looked depressing, not at all like things that the tourist board would post
 
2014-05-07 12:55:01 PM

loonatic112358: nunyadang: Oh yea, definitely stay away, I mean look at this ruin porn, how do we even live here?

[www.salst.com image 540x360]

[urbane-dev.com image 575x431]

[iehs.wayne.edu image 846x375]

The two times I've visited must have just been shiatty weeks, combined with the area I drove through it looked depressing, not at all like things that the tourist board would post


Detroit is a shiathole, but there is plenty of wealth in the Metro-Detroit area and plenty of nice areas. those that are surprised at Microsoft's work here are unaware of the positive in the area, and as others have posted, we have  a ton of STEM talent here.

Also, when Texas and Arizona run out of water, our property values are going to sky rocket.
 
2014-05-07 03:50:49 PM
KeatingFive
2014-05-07 06:54:00 AM

OnlyM3: ThatGuyOverThere

It sucked, skating through a degree in biology from a major university, only to wind up working as a part time substitute teacher, part time retail monkey, and part time construction worker.You aren't hoping hard enough for change.

Hope harder, perhaps the oba-messiah is deep in thought, or busy, or traveling. Maybe he is sleeping and must be awakened.

You sound like a failure. But nah, it's not your fault, it's Obama's.


Keep trying.
Under Obama, black unemployment twice the white rate

Minorities Disproportionately Worse Off Under Obama

Median Income Down under President Obama

Never the Messiah's fault. All those minorities just need to hope harder.
 
2014-05-07 05:39:55 PM

nunyadang: Also, when Texas and Arizona run out of water, our property values are going to sky rocket.


I think a desalination plant in the gulf would be more likely


I'd worry about the middle states first, farmland uses a lot of water
 
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