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(USA Today)   County Clerk rules that eligibility problems with some of the people collecting signatures for his ballot petitions means that Rep John Conyers isn't eligible to have his name on the Dem primary ballot as he runs for his TWENTY-SIXTH term   (onpolitics.usatoday.com) divider line 11
    More: Asinine, Rep John Conyers, Democratic Party, write-in vote, clerk  
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2014-05-06 02:17:21 PM  
3 votes:

Moosecakes: Why should it matter if the petitioners are registered voters, so long as the signees are? What a stupid rule. And yes, it's totally stupid that this guy has been in Congress for this long. There really needs to be term limits in Congress.


Why do you think that Rep. Conyers' constituents should be legally barred from electing the representative of their choice? What would this help, other than the icky feeling you get when you think that someone else's Congressman has been in office too long?
2014-05-06 08:41:35 PM  
1 votes:

Smackledorfer: That is a pretty weak dodge.

We are discussing whether a law is bad ("stupid") or not. You ask others why they dislike a law/regulation. I ask you why you support it.

If you support it, why?


Well, before you got here, a couple of Farkers were claiming the law is stupid, which is pretty weak sauce (if they'd said "unjust" I would have given them more credit) so I asked them to explain why. Although I disagree with their arguments, at least I got an explanation from them, so I owe you one.

I support it because I like the idea that the county clerk's people can verify the circulators are who they say they are from the clerk's own records, but I'm sure (if it comes to that) the county's law-talking people will be able to come up with a few more and they'll probably get some help from the state as well.

The justification for a rule or law may not be immediately apparent to you or me, but that doesn't mean it's without reason. Like I said, if they can't justify it and the court says it's bad law, I'm OK with that. But until then, everyone has to play by the rules, because that's how elections in our society work.
2014-05-06 03:09:08 PM  
1 votes:

hasty ambush: Term Limits- Twelve years life time total for serving in congress.


Right, because term limits have worked so well in California. Just turn the whole place over to the staffers and the lobbyists, why don't we?
2014-05-06 03:07:55 PM  
1 votes:
I suspect that people who advocate for term limits but AGAINST campaign finance reform fall under the "Really really don't get it" category.
2014-05-06 02:47:43 PM  
1 votes:

hasty ambush: Term Limits- Twelve years life time total for serving in congress.


Why? Contrary to popular belief, "long-serving legislators" and "legislators with experience" are NOT problems.
2014-05-06 02:27:45 PM  
1 votes:

Arkanaut: Arkanaut: Moosecakes: Why should it matter if the petitioners are registered voters, so long as the signees are? What a stupid rule. And yes, it's totally stupid that this guy has been in Congress for this long. There really needs to be term limits in Congress.

Agreed. You're just holding a clipboard, not voting for the guy. I guess it could be some weird Michigan rule though.

//worked on campaigns as a 17-year-old volunteer and in districts I didn't live in
//too busy monitoring the polls on Primary Day anyway.

Followup: apparent it is a weird Michigan thing:

http://www.freep.com/article/20140502/NEWS06/305020117/John-Conyers- Ca thy-Garrett

"By law, Daniel Pennington and Tiara Willis Pittman should have been registered voters when they gathered the ballot signatures."

Still stupid.


No, stupid would be a campaign manager not knowing the law and not telling people they had to be registered to even gather signatures.

Explain why you think it's a stupid law, if you don't mind. (For comparison, my idea of stupid is allowing paid signature gatherers, as California does.)
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2014-05-06 02:27:10 PM  
1 votes:
Ballot Access News used to run stories on laws like this governing who could collect signatures. They are, or used to be, fairly common. Some of them faced legal challenges.

In Massachusetts we have a rule that a signature sheet for a voter initiative is invalidated by any stray mark. If you scratch a corner to test your pen, all signatures on the page are invalidated.
2014-05-06 02:20:49 PM  
1 votes:

Arkanaut: Moosecakes: Why should it matter if the petitioners are registered voters, so long as the signees are? What a stupid rule. And yes, it's totally stupid that this guy has been in Congress for this long. There really needs to be term limits in Congress.

Agreed. You're just holding a clipboard, not voting for the guy. I guess it could be some weird Michigan rule though.

//worked on campaigns as a 17-year-old volunteer and in districts I didn't live in
//too busy monitoring the polls on Primary Day anyway.


Followup: apparent it is a weird Michigan thing:

http://www.freep.com/article/20140502/NEWS06/305020117/John-Conyers- Ca thy-Garrett

"By law, Daniel Pennington and Tiara Willis Pittman should have been registered voters when they gathered the ballot signatures."

Still stupid.
2014-05-06 02:14:08 PM  
1 votes:
"We are prepared to put forward evidence and testimony before the Wayne County Clerk's office and the Michigan secretary of State to verify their registration status," Pirich said about the signature collectors. "It must be made clear that any registration deficiency is not the fault of the individuals; the fault lies with the Detroit City Clerk's office and their compliance with the lawConyers staff for entering just enough ballots that a trivial failure sinks the chance to be on the ballot."
2014-05-06 02:12:15 PM  
1 votes:

Moosecakes: Why should it matter if the petitioners are registered voters, so long as the signees are? What a stupid rule. And yes, it's totally stupid that this guy has been in Congress for this long. There really needs to be term limits in Congress.


Why?
2014-05-06 01:10:32 PM  
1 votes:
Tag is both for the Stupid ballot Rules AND the notion of sending the same guy back to congress for 50 freaking years
 
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