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(Tampa Bay Online)   Dear NOAA, Are you missing a drone? UPS delivered it to me. Sincerely, some college student   (tbo.com ) divider line
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2014-05-06 12:37:04 PM  
oneyearbibleimages.com

What Noah's drone might look like.
 
2014-05-06 12:41:00 PM  
UPS screws up a single shipment. News at 11.
 
2014-05-06 02:20:55 PM  
At least the UPS guy didn't throw it over a fence or chuck it from the truck.
 
2014-05-06 02:22:42 PM  
It was probably mislabeled at the UPS branch that it was sent from.
 
2014-05-06 02:23:34 PM  
A couple of things.
Yeah, he lifts Bro.
Jack Bauer will be at his house shortly.
 
2014-05-06 02:24:25 PM  
It got lost on its way to Cliven Bundy's ranch.
 
2014-05-06 02:28:31 PM  
I got a big box of freight train parts once. Our street addresses were the same but the shipper put the wrong zip on it. They were two towns over.

/they picked them up
//meh story bro
 
2014-05-06 02:34:01 PM  
What I want to know is why NOAA is spending $100K on a model airplane with a camera that you could assemble from commercial-off-the-shelf parts (including gps autopilot, real time telemetry, etc) for well under $10K.
 
2014-05-06 02:34:24 PM  
Tampa Bay Tribune? It read like a post on consumerist.
 
2014-05-06 02:35:36 PM  
A friend of mine had Ron Darling's Gold Glove delivered to him. Some name mixup a at a hotel. It eventually got to Darling but the return was pretty roundabout.
 
2014-05-06 02:38:07 PM  
What I want to know is why the kid felt compelled to photograph that whole thing? I mean, to send it to the NOAA and prove that he had it, sure, but to post on the Internet for everyone? That's just dickish.
 
2014-05-06 02:38:44 PM  

JesseL: What I want to know is why NOAA is spending $100K on a model airplane with a camera that you could assemble from commercial-off-the-shelf parts (including gps autopilot, real time telemetry, etc) for well under $10K.


Because they're spending other peoples money.  Same reason colleges will pay $40k-200k+ for "educational" toy robots, which could be crafted at the damn school for only a few thousand dollars.
 
2014-05-06 02:43:43 PM  

JesseL: What I want to know is why NOAA is spending $100K on a model airplane with a camera that you could assemble from commercial-off-the-shelf parts (including gps autopilot, real time telemetry, etc) for well under $10K.


Don't you know that it takes instruments that are 1.02 times more sensitive and 10 times more expensive than amateur hobbyist grade devices to detect climate change?
 
2014-05-06 02:44:30 PM  

JesseL: What I want to know is why NOAA is spending $100K on a model airplane with a camera that you could assemble from commercial-off-the-shelf parts (including gps autopilot, real time telemetry, etc) for well under $10K.


GOVT money is all I can think.


The county sheriff where I live lost a 250000  RC helicopter
 
2014-05-06 02:46:55 PM  

loonatic112358: JesseL: What I want to know is why NOAA is spending $100K on a model airplane with a camera that you could assemble from commercial-off-the-shelf parts (including gps autopilot, real time telemetry, etc) for well under $10K.

GOVT money is all I can think.


The county sheriff where I live lost a 250000  RC helicopter


We got my daughter one of those last Christmas from one of those kiosks in the mall.  I think it was like 30 bucks.
 
2014-05-06 02:48:24 PM  

loonatic112358: JesseL: What I want to know is why NOAA is spending $100K on a model airplane with a camera that you could assemble from commercial-off-the-shelf parts (including gps autopilot, real time telemetry, etc) for well under $10K.

GOVT money is all I can think.


The county sheriff where I live lost a 250000  RC helicopter


Your county is like mini Malaysia!
 
2014-05-06 02:48:25 PM  

Anastacya: What I want to know is why the kid felt compelled to photograph that whole thing? I mean, to send it to the NOAA and prove that he had it, sure, but to post on the Internet for everyone? That's just dickish.


Some systems only get fixed when the operator is publicly humiliated/exposed. He didn't get compensated for finding or fixing someone else's mistake so that makes him a Good Samaritan. But of course, not everyone would recognize that.
 
2014-05-06 02:48:45 PM  

Farce-Side: We got my daughter one of those last Christmas from one of those kiosks in the mall.  I think it was like 30 bucks.


for 250k I could build a fleet of those suckers with the same kind of range from parts in stock at the local hobby shop
 
2014-05-06 02:53:01 PM  
"One of several boxes containing components of our PUMA unmanned aircraft system was delivered to the wrong address,"

So yeah, the PUMAs have much better operational and control range than your average $8500 helicopter drone.
 
2014-05-06 02:53:03 PM  

JesseL: What I want to know is why NOAA is spending $100K on a model airplane with a camera that you could assemble from commercial-off-the-shelf parts (including gps autopilot, real time telemetry, etc) for well under $10K.



The parts may cost under $10K, the engineering to design a flying vehicle, with aircraft and ground control software, plus testing etc is far more.  I think there were 10 engineers working full time on Puma development, and it used a common data link and GCS with other aircraft.

You need to think of the total cost, not just parts.  Labor is the big expense.

/Worked on the GCS software
//CSB
 
2014-05-06 02:55:10 PM  
Man, I never get anything accidentally delivered to me. That's right up there with finding a duffel bag of drug money. Ain't never gonna happen to me.
 
2014-05-06 02:55:33 PM  

jfivealive: Your county is like mini Malaysia!


nah, too many white rednecks for that
 
2014-05-06 02:56:33 PM  

JesseL: What I want to know is why NOAA is spending $100K on a model airplane with a camera that you could assemble from commercial-off-the-shelf parts (including gps autopilot, real time telemetry, etc) for well under $10K.


You don't think there might be some other sensing equipment involved?  Like, they just want to fly around and take some pictures?
 
2014-05-06 02:57:26 PM  

dmike: JesseL: What I want to know is why NOAA is spending $100K on a model airplane with a camera that you could assemble from commercial-off-the-shelf parts (including gps autopilot, real time telemetry, etc) for well under $10K.


The parts may cost under $10K, the engineering to design a flying vehicle, with aircraft and ground control software, plus testing etc is far more.  I think there were 10 engineers working full time on Puma development, and it used a common data link and GCS with other aircraft.

You need to think of the total cost, not just parts.  Labor is the big expense.

/Worked on the GCS software
//CSB


yea, but at that cost, you could afford to lose a few hobbyist "drones" planes vs 1 of the Puma
 
2014-05-06 02:58:19 PM  

loonatic112358: for 250k I could build a fleet of those suckers with the same kind of range from parts in stock at the local hobby shop


Sure, but you don't know a guy who has a brother in the police department who pulls a favor and gets ten grand worth of off the shelf parts for 250K from your company
 
2014-05-06 02:59:19 PM  

Anastacya: What I want to know is why the kid felt compelled to photograph that whole thing? I mean, to send it to the NOAA and prove that he had it, sure, but to post on the Internet for everyone? That's just dickish.


What's dickish about it? Not like it's a top secret spy drone. Or is that just what they want you  to think?
 
2014-05-06 03:00:01 PM  

trappedspirit: JesseL: What I want to know is why NOAA is spending $100K on a model airplane with a camera that you could assemble from commercial-off-the-shelf parts (including gps autopilot, real time telemetry, etc) for well under $10K.

You don't think there might be some other sensing equipment involved?  Like, they just want to fly around and take some pictures?


Furthermore if they're using a camera worth using (a pan-tilt-zoom multi-megapixel stream capable camera) that's probably about 10-15% of the cost right there.
 
2014-05-06 03:00:32 PM  
Wasn't there a guy who got several gov machine guns delivered accidentally? That would be the package you don't want.
 
2014-05-06 03:00:43 PM  

justanotherfarkinfarker: Sure, but you don't know a guy who has a brother in the police department who pulls a favor and gets ten grand worth of off the shelf parts for 250K from your company



Sadly I don't, though one of my friends is a cop in one of the richer townlets near Houston, I should suggest it to him.
 
2014-05-06 03:01:42 PM  

justanotherfarkinfarker: Wasn't there a guy who got several gov machine guns delivered accidentally? That would be the package you don't want.


if they would let me take them out to the range and shoot them at targets, maybe
 
2014-05-06 03:02:47 PM  

loonatic112358: dmike: JesseL: What I want to know is why NOAA is spending $100K on a model airplane with a camera that you could assemble from commercial-off-the-shelf parts (including gps autopilot, real time telemetry, etc) for well under $10K.


The parts may cost under $10K, the engineering to design a flying vehicle, with aircraft and ground control software, plus testing etc is far more.  I think there were 10 engineers working full time on Puma development, and it used a common data link and GCS with other aircraft.

You need to think of the total cost, not just parts.  Labor is the big expense.

/Worked on the GCS software
//CSB

yea, but at that cost, you could afford to lose a few hobbyist "drones" planes vs 1 of the Puma


Not when it crashes into someone, or their car/boat/house etc... Not if you don't have a standing workforce to do assembly that's otherwise idle.
 
2014-05-06 03:03:15 PM  

dittybopper: [oneyearbibleimages.com image 336x448]

What Noah's drone might look like.


That puts a whole new spin on the genesis flood account.

Noah built an ARK (Animal Resurrection Knowledgebase) to survive a FLOOD (Fast Liquid Outburst Overall Destruction) event and used a DOVE (Dirigible Observational Vehicle: Environmental) to survey his surroundings. It seems an earlier attempt used a RAVEN (Rapid Aerial Vehicle for Enemy Nullification) but it was poorly adapted to the task and lacked the correct programming to do an environmental survey, being designed to locate enemy soldiers and destroy them.
 
2014-05-06 03:03:21 PM  

dmike: JesseL: What I want to know is why NOAA is spending $100K on a model airplane with a camera that you could assemble from commercial-off-the-shelf parts (including gps autopilot, real time telemetry, etc) for well under $10K.


The parts may cost under $10K, the engineering to design a flying vehicle, with aircraft and ground control software, plus testing etc is far more.  I think there were 10 engineers working full time on Puma development, and it used a common data link and GCS with other aircraft.

You need to think of the total cost, not just parts.  Labor is the big expense.

/Worked on the GCS software
//CSB


And yet there are still tons of hobbyists doing stuff that would probably meet the NOAA's needs (if not their written requirements, which from what I've seen in government purchase orders are absurd) just as well.

No offense to you and your work, but if a government agency needed a moped they'd find a way to make it cost a quarter-million dollars.
 
2014-05-06 03:03:53 PM  
the best thing  that ever happened like this in my life  didn't  even happen to me.  It happened to my Roomate. He bought a hard drive from  newegg and got somebody else's computer. it was a complete top end system at the time(2002-2003) He  called them and they just said "our bad, keep it"
 
2014-05-06 03:05:18 PM  

abhorrent1: Anastacya: What I want to know is why the kid felt compelled to photograph that whole thing? I mean, to send it to the NOAA and prove that he had it, sure, but to post on the Internet for everyone? That's just dickish.

What's dickish about it? Not like it's a top secret spy drone. Or is that just what they want you  to think?


Ok, then why would you take pictures of something that isn't yours to begin with and post pictures of it online? What purpose does that serve?
 
2014-05-06 03:06:24 PM  

DubtodaIll: Furthermore if they're using a camera worth using (a pan-tilt-zoom multi-megapixel stream capable camera) that's probably about 10-15% of the cost right there.


http://hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__975__973__FPV_Telemetry-Stand ar d_Gimbals.html
 
2014-05-06 03:06:26 PM  
And a lifetime of being watched by the Government ensues. Good luck, bro.
 
2014-05-06 03:07:44 PM  

JesseL: And yet there are still tons of hobbyists doing stuff that would probably meet the NOAA's needs (if not their written requirements, which from what I've seen in government purchase orders are absurd) just as well.No offense to you and your work, but if a government agency needed a moped they'd find a way to make it cost a quarter-million dollars.


I used to work with mechanical engineer who's wife worked at NASA in the  life sciences  or a bilogy dept, he had told me one time that she'd asked him to help her with making something. After he was done looking at their design requirements he figured out what they were asking for was essentially an icecream maker


of course one hardened for space and what not had to be built, but i still think it's funny how often things will be reengineered when an existing solution is out there


That's a 6-8 year old story remembered from my head, so the exact dept she works in is i know not right
 
2014-05-06 03:10:24 PM  

JesseL: No offense to you and your work, but if a government agency needed a moped they'd find a way to make it cost a quarter-million dollars.


photos1.blogger.com

You don't actually think they spend $20,000 on a hammer, $30,000 on a toilet seat, do you?
 
2014-05-06 03:10:43 PM  

JesseL: DubtodaIll: Furthermore if they're using a camera worth using (a pan-tilt-zoom multi-megapixel stream capable camera) that's probably about 10-15% of the cost right there.

http://hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__975__973__FPV_Telemetry-Stand ar d_Gimbals.html


I said a camera worth using by a government agency for actual research, not something from a hobbyshop.
 
2014-05-06 03:10:53 PM  

Life_is_a_carnivore: And a lifetime of being watched by the Government ensues. Good luck, bro.


Because he got an NOAA camera drone sent to him accidentally? I somehow doubt it.
 
2014-05-06 03:12:35 PM  

DubtodaIll: JesseL: DubtodaIll: Furthermore if they're using a camera worth using (a pan-tilt-zoom multi-megapixel stream capable camera) that's probably about 10-15% of the cost right there.

http://hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__975__973__FPV_Telemetry-Stand ar d_Gimbals.html

I said a camera worth using by a government agency for actual research, not something from a hobbyshop.


He doesn't seem to understand that there's a difference between what you could DIY and what you use in the real world.
 
2014-05-06 03:13:20 PM  
Thank god the right wing didn't catch wind of this story.  They'd be spinning a "global warming army" conspiracy theory within minutes.
 
2014-05-06 03:13:48 PM  
Design, engineering, assembly, etc, these are factors to cosider in a drone, not just the off the shelf "Home Depot" cost. didja think of more than the raw materials cost?
 
2014-05-06 03:15:49 PM  

DubtodaIll: JesseL: DubtodaIll: Furthermore if they're using a camera worth using (a pan-tilt-zoom multi-megapixel stream capable camera) that's probably about 10-15% of the cost right there.

http://hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__975__973__FPV_Telemetry-Stand ar d_Gimbals.html

I said a camera worth using by a government agency for actual research, not something from a hobbyshop.


Uh huh.

And what would the difference between those things actually be? Is it worth two orders of magnitude cost?

dmike: He doesn't seem to understand that there's a difference between what you could DIY and what you use in the real world.


$$$$
 
2014-05-06 03:17:48 PM  

Ex-Texan: Design, engineering, assembly, etc, these are factors to cosider in a drone, not just the off the shelf "Home Depot" cost. didja think of more than the raw materials cost?


That might be a logical argument if you were talking about building a single one. We're talking about a mass produced item that's had 1000+ units sold. I have to think that some of those costs might be amortized a bit.
 
2014-05-06 03:20:54 PM  

Anastacya: What I want to know is why the kid felt compelled to photograph that whole thing? I mean, to send it to the NOAA and prove that he had it, sure, but to post on the Internet for everyone? That's just dickish.


He posted first on Reddit for the karma and upvotes and front page attention
 
2014-05-06 03:26:07 PM  

JesseL: DubtodaIll: JesseL: DubtodaIll: Furthermore if they're using a camera worth using (a pan-tilt-zoom multi-megapixel stream capable camera) that's probably about 10-15% of the cost right there.

http://hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__975__973__FPV_Telemetry-Stand ar d_Gimbals.html

I said a camera worth using by a government agency for actual research, not something from a hobbyshop.

Uh huh.

And what would the difference between those things actually be? Is it worth two orders of magnitude cost?


Yes absolutely.  Lets take the GoPRO for example.  Great camera, small, lightweight, easy to use, great picture quality.  Their most expensive model (retail 399.99) provides you with 12MP@30fps burst (which means it will crap out in about 15 minutes if you try to continually stream from it) with the possibility of 4K resolution, built in Wi-Fi and all other bells and whistles and make DIYer cream their jeans.  That camera would be utterly worthless for scientific research.  First off, it's point and shoot.  You can't look around without moving the drone around.  If they're using the drone for weather research they are most likely going to need something with thermal imaging and something with at least a 32x optical zoom if not more, PTZ capabilities, full on all the time 30-60fps streaming, H.264 compression, as well as durability and lens quaility that you cannot get in the standard consumer market.  For that, you're probably going to want a FLIR.  And a FLIR camera capable of all those tasks and more than I can't list off the top of my head STARTS at about 12,000 bucks to resellers.
 
2014-05-06 03:27:23 PM  
Ha! I remembered another csb about misdirected packages. I bought a house at ### Taylor for pretty cheap. Probably because just before I bought it, someone left a bomb on the front porch intended for the drug dealers a couple blocks over at ### Tyler.
 
2014-05-06 03:28:34 PM  

Anastacya: abhorrent1: Anastacya: What I want to know is why the kid felt compelled to photograph that whole thing? I mean, to send it to the NOAA and prove that he had it, sure, but to post on the Internet for everyone? That's just dickish.

What's dickish about it? Not like it's a top secret spy drone. Or is that just what they want you  to think?

Ok, then why would you take pictures of something that isn't yours to begin with and post pictures of it online? What purpose does that serve?


None that I can think of but then, I also don't see the harm.
 
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