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(The Detroit_News)   "...He stands on principle. He's the one guy (in Congress) who reads every single bill" and he isn't getting a dime of state or national GOP cash because of it   (detroitnews.com) divider line 34
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2014-05-06 09:28:32 AM  
He's Tea Party most of the time but when it's re-election time suddenly he's all GOP and butthurt no one will give him any money

Just because you stand on your principles doesn't mean your principles are good or even right and as for .. 'read every single word of every bill' Detroitnews.com must really be a partisan rag if they believe that crap
 
2014-05-06 09:41:53 AM  
Reading every word of every single bill sounds a) impossible and b) like a pointless waste of time.
 
2014-05-06 11:39:13 AM  

kxs401: Reading every word of every single bill sounds a) impossible and b) like a pointless waste of time.


Yeah, I was wondering does this guy have any staffers and WTF are they doing?
 
2014-05-06 11:39:42 AM  
He doesn't read every bill. Nobody could. Why say crap like that?
 
2014-05-06 11:40:23 AM  

yakmans_dad: He doesn't read every bill. Nobody could. Why say crap like that?


Not meant to be a factual statement.
 
2014-05-06 11:42:28 AM  

kxs401: Reading every word of every single bill sounds a) impossible and b) like a pointless waste of time.


Baby steps, we should be glad that tea party types are reading
 
2014-05-06 11:44:36 AM  
he's a teabagger type but he voted a bunch of times with democrats... teabaggers are a weird group in that they have learned the republican party doesn't support them or have middle class interests in mind but they are still influenced by the years of propaganda telling them liberals should be killed so they can't build any coalitions on issues leftists support even though they also support them but for different reasons.
 
2014-05-06 11:45:39 AM  

Fart_Machine: yakmans_dad: He doesn't read every bill. Nobody could. Why say crap like that?

Not meant to be a factual statement.


I'm starting to wonder if anything a nationally prominent Republican says is meant to be a factual statement.
 
2014-05-06 11:47:28 AM  
Notice he didn't say he "comprehends" every single bill.  It's possible to look through every bill, skimming every word, but yet not actually analyzing the text and forming a reasonable opinion on it.

Not defending him; actually I think my explanation makes him look worse, like he's going through exaggerated motions of what constitutes a Representative without doing a proper job.
 
2014-05-06 11:48:38 AM  
I've seen enough legislation text to know that stuff's going to look like word salad in a big hurry. The point of reading it is to understand it. You can't understand it if it kicks your ass to the point where you can't tell your heretofores from your whereases from your holes in the ground. And no, a two-page limit on the bills isn't going to help. All that's going to do is create a whole shiatload of unintended consequences, like that one Nebraska law that forgot to put an age or location limit on the kids parents could legally abandon at the hospital and wound up seeing parents from halfway across the country drop off their teenagers.
 
2014-05-06 11:49:21 AM  

Majick Thise: He's Tea Party most of the time but when it's re-election time suddenly he's all GOP and butthurt no one will give him any money

Just because you stand on your principles doesn't mean your principles are good or even right and as for .. 'read every single word of every bill' Detroitnews.com must really be a partisan rag if they believe that crap


Name a handful of Congress critters that you think stand for -your- principles that isn't lined up in someone else's pocket.
 
2014-05-06 11:49:28 AM  

Fart_Machine: yakmans_dad: He doesn't read every bill. Nobody could. Why say crap like that?

Not meant to be a factual statement.


Well, he's a living turd.

/Not meant to be a factual statement.
//But if it is, who knew?
 
2014-05-06 11:52:54 AM  

Headso: he's a teabagger type but he voted a bunch of times with democrats... teabaggers are a weird group in that they have learned the republican party doesn't support them or have middle class interests in mind but they are still influenced by the years of propaganda telling them liberals should be killed so they can't build any coalitions on issues leftists support even though they also support them but for different reasons.


More than once, I have argued to people with radically different political beliefs why I think they should support a policy from a position that would appeal to their views, like opposing Keystone XL because numerous property owners along the path don't want to sell their property for an oil pipeline and eminent domain encroaches on their property rights. Inevitably, they call me a poseur and disregard my argument entirely. It's a tribal thing.
 
2014-05-06 11:54:50 AM  
Considering the alternative in Michigan is big-government Republican hacks and sleazy-ass Detroit Democrats. he's practically George Washington.
 
2014-05-06 11:57:33 AM  

kxs401: Reading every word of every single bill sounds a) impossible and b) like a pointless waste of time.


I imagine it's a bit like when Bush said he reads 60 books a year.

Sure, he's mouthing every single word as it passes in front of his eyes, but he's not really comprehending it.
 
2014-05-06 12:14:23 PM  
It's impossible for any one person to read or know all the laws in this country, but ignorance of the law is no excuse.
 
2014-05-06 12:20:59 PM  
He seems to be one of the rare conservatives that truly believes that government should stay out of the bedroom as well as the boardroom. He's also taken strong stances against government surveillance (including introducing a bill to defund the NSA). He supports reducing the defense budget and opposes government bans on same sex marriage.

Most importantly, he will work with Democrats when their interests align rather than simply opposing them because they're not on his team. I wouldn't vote for him, but the country would be better off if more Republican politicians were like him.
 
2014-05-06 12:21:18 PM  
Sounds like a "True Believer" and Boehner is just a Koch puppet.
 
2014-05-06 12:23:04 PM  

Gulper Eel: Considering the alternative in Michigan is big-government Republican hacks and sleazy-ass Detroit Democrats. he's practically George Washington.


^^   'reads every bill' is a reference to his practice of always explaining how/why he voted the way he did
 
2014-05-06 12:26:58 PM  

spcMike: I imagine it's a bit like when Bush said he reads 60 books a year.


Not only that, but he colored them too.
 
2014-05-06 12:33:13 PM  

Majick Thise: Detroitnews.com must really be a partisan rag if they believe that crap


It is.
 
2014-05-06 12:33:18 PM  
Eh, I probably disagree with Amash on most issues, but he at least has principles, and is much smarter than Rand Paul (not saying much). He's someone that the Dems (the ones who are more libertarian-leaning, anyway) can work with on issues like net neutrality, SOPA, surveillance, etc.
 
2014-05-06 12:33:36 PM  
I'm impressed that he was able to read all 9 million pages of Fartbongocare.

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2014-05-06 12:37:18 PM  
I seem to remember reading about a guy, a few years back elected to congress who in fact did read every bill before he voted. I remember that he only voted on about half the bills because it was impossible to read them all and if he didn't read the bill fully, he wouldn't vote. He was a republican and he angered his party by abstaining from an important vote because they rewrote the huge bill around 3 times in the last few days and he couldn't read it. This sounds like the same guy.
 
2014-05-06 12:40:41 PM  

Rapmaster2000: I'm impressed that he was able to read all 9 million pages of Fartbongocare.

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Much more impressive than an e-reader with a thumb drive.
 
2014-05-06 12:45:58 PM  

Rapmaster2000: I'm impressed that he was able to read all 9 million pages of Fartbongocare.

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That's nothing.

My printer will have to run beyond the end of the universe and use all the matter contained therein for paper and ink (as well as the matter from some of the parrallel universes) because it's printing out all those regulations in font size googolplex.
 
2014-05-06 12:51:32 PM  
Amash, head of the House Liberty Caucus, led an unsuccessful revolt against Boehner in the vote for speaker last year


You come at the King, you best not miss.
 
2014-05-06 01:12:35 PM  
I'd have a headache after reading all the legalese in bills just after an hour. Why don't we make bills more human readable, with an addendum that if someone finds a loophole because it's not in legalese, tries to be coy, and skirts around the law, they get smacked harder for being dicks?
 
2014-05-06 01:49:16 PM  

Pichu0102: I'd have a headache after reading all the legalese in bills just after an hour. Why don't we make bills more human readable, with an addendum that if someone finds a loophole because it's not in legalese, tries to be coy, and skirts around the law, they get smacked harder for being dicks?


Should have voted for Herman Cain. He would have limited his bills to 999
 
m00
2014-05-06 03:16:07 PM  

Mitt Romneys Tax Return: I wouldn't vote for him, but the country would be better off if more Republican politicians were like him.


This is a contradiction. If people don't vote for a certain kind of politician, there won't be those kinds of politicians representing citizens.
 
m00
2014-05-06 03:18:21 PM  

Pichu0102: I'd have a headache after reading all the legalese in bills just after an hour. Why don't we make bills more human readable, with an addendum that if someone finds a loophole because it's not in legalese, tries to be coy, and skirts around the law, they get smacked harder for being dicks?


Jefferson also made this point.

"On every question of construction, let us carry ourselves back to the time when the Constitution was adopted, recollect the spirit manifested in the debates, and instead of trying what meaning may be squeezed out of the text, or invented against it, conform to the probable one in which it was passed."
 
2014-05-06 03:58:55 PM  

EricTheHalfABee: I seem to remember reading about a guy, a few years back elected to congress who in fact did read every bill before he voted. I remember that he only voted on about half the bills because it was impossible to read them all and if he didn't read the bill fully, he wouldn't vote. He was a republican and he angered his party by abstaining from an important vote because they rewrote the huge bill around 3 times in the last few days and he couldn't read it. This sounds like the same guy.



I think Amash actually has a perfect attendance record for voting since he's come to D.C.  But I have seen him vote against some bills when he wasn't able to get information on them before the vote.

I sure he doesn't read every bill, but he appears to put a lot more effort into educating himself about upcoming bills than most.
 
2014-05-06 09:11:41 PM  
Kentucky had a Representative -- William Natcher -- who was conscientious like this guy is supposed to be. Never missed a roll call. That kind of thing. What set Natcher apart was that he didn't accept any campaign contributions. He took one once and returned it. Natcher wasn't a particularly smart guy or ingenious or a far-seeing legislator. He was honest, though, and his district loved him for it. "Mr. Natcher" was how he was addressed.  I have an optimistic suspicion that people can tell if someone is honest.
 
2014-05-06 09:21:45 PM  

yakmans_dad: I have an optimistic suspicion that people can tell if someone is honest.


And the party leadership will move heaven and earth to get those honest people the fark out of office.
 
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