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(Vital Football)   British Football Association considers allowing 'B' teams into the top league. For you Americans, that's as ridiculous as allowing teams from Phoenix or Winnipeg to play in the NHL. What?   (walsall.vitalfootball.co.uk) divider line 59
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2014-05-06 09:56:14 PM  

iron de havilland: What's wrong with that? You're trying to be pedantic about "a mythical British FA", while at the same time, calling the Barclays Premier League "the EPL".

Why is one wrong, and not the other?


Seriously?

Because one is factually wrong, nonsensically confusing the jurisdiction of the FA in a way typical of certain Americans ignorant of foreign geopolitics. And the other is a routine, widely-used abbreviation of a routine use of the clarifying adjective "English" when referring to the English [adj.] Premier League [formal title]. If you really don't understand the difference, then son, you just ain't right upstairs.

Now, I don't wish to seem rude, and I very much appreciate your insightful contributions in the soccer thread, but on this particular topic, I think you need to pull your head out of your ass.

By the way, we're done here. You're listed.
 
2014-05-06 10:30:02 PM  

czetie: iron de havilland: What's wrong with that? You're trying to be pedantic about "a mythical British FA", while at the same time, calling the Barclays Premier League "the EPL".

Why is one wrong, and not the other?

Seriously?

Because one is factually wrong, nonsensically confusing the jurisdiction of the FA in a way typical of certain Americans ignorant of foreign geopolitics. And the other is a routine, widely-used abbreviation of a routine use of the clarifying adjective "English" when referring to the English [adj.] Premier League [formal title]. If you really don't understand the difference, then son, you just ain't right upstairs.


Referring to the Premier League as the English Premier League, or, "EPL", is very similar to referring to the Football Association as the British Football Association. Both names are wrong.

That was the only point I was trying to make.

Now, I don't wish to seem rude, and I very much appreciate your insightful contributions in the soccer thread, but on this particular topic, I think you need to pull your head out of your ass.

By the way, we're done here. You're listed.


If that means you're ignoring me, that's sad.

The Fark footy threads are one of the most civil parts of all of Fark. I've very much enjoyed your contributions to them over the past couple of seasons.

I'm seriously puzzled as to why you'd make such a big thing out of this, particularly suggesting that I stay out of Fark footy threads?

Just because you don't like that the Premier League isn't called the EPL?

Or you don't like people pointing out that calling it the EPL is as wrong as calling the FA "the British FA"?

You used to be cool man :-(
 
2014-05-06 10:50:07 PM  

czetie: Because one is factually wrong, nonsensically confusing the jurisdiction of the FA in a way typical of certain Americans ignorant of foreign geopolitics.


By the way, you have looked at my location in my profile, right?

I'm not sure geopolitics has much to do with it, but calling the Premier League "the EPL" does make you look like an ignorant American.
 
2014-05-06 11:16:26 PM  

czetie: We should also mention for completeness that not only can a player qualify by birth or by descent (I think one grandparent is enough), there's also now a residency rule whereby if a player has made their "permanent home" in a particular country and hasn't played for another, they can play for that country. That accounts for many of your PWSDNRHCs



i get that, and it is all good;  i just love seeing the bright red haired dude in an Ivory Coast v SA matchup.  i know colonization and all, but, i just love that.  it is cool.
 
2014-05-07 06:57:12 AM  

rickythepenguin: czetie: We should also mention for completeness that not only can a player qualify by birth or by descent (I think one grandparent is enough), there's also now a residency rule whereby if a player has made their "permanent home" in a particular country and hasn't played for another, they can play for that country. That accounts for many of your PWSDNRHCs


i get that, and it is all good;  i just love seeing the bright red haired dude in an Ivory Coast v SA matchup.  i know colonization and all, but, i just love that.  it is cool.


Yeah, me too. Or the tall, skinny blond guy in the South Korea side.

The odd thing is, I don't react at all to the converse, i.e. seeing a black or Asian guy in a European team -- which probably means I'm not as good a liberal as I like to think I am.

And yeah, it's all cool.
 
2014-05-07 11:46:45 AM  

czetie: By the way, we're done here. You're listed.


BUT BUT YOU PROMISED ME I WAS SPECIAL! FARK YOU, MAN! FARK YOU!

Imagine telling someone to take his head out of his ass and then telling him he's on The List. Remarkable stuff.
 
2014-05-07 12:27:18 PM  

iron de havilland: czetie: Because one is factually wrong, nonsensically confusing the jurisdiction of the FA in a way typical of certain Americans ignorant of foreign geopolitics.

By the way, you have looked at my location in my profile, right?

I'm not sure geopolitics has much to do with it, but calling the Premier League "the EPL" does make you look like an ignorant American.


Fair compromise:
  We'll stop calling it the EPL (English Premier League) when you stop calling Football "American Football".  Either that, or we can both agree that using the country/location as an adjective in front of the name clarifies it better for foreign entities.  I'm pretty sure when it comes to hockey, in Sweden it is just the "Elite League" whereas outside of that country, it is referred to as the "Swedish Elite League".

/adjectives help describe the noun and reduce confusion
 
2014-05-07 12:28:09 PM  

689908: czetie: By the way, we're done here. You're listed.

BUT BUT YOU PROMISED ME I WAS SPECIAL! FARK YOU, MAN! FARK YOU!

Imagine telling someone to take his head out of his ass and then telling him he's on The List. Remarkable stuff.


Well, on the bright side, at least Oskar Schindler will come and save you now...
 
2014-05-07 06:44:21 PM  
I call it the EPL for a few reasons:

1. Many other countries have a "Premier League."  Yes, it's usually obvious that you're talking about England, but the 'E' further clarifies which one you're talking about.

2. Unlike American sports, where, save the 1/30th Canadian presence or the occasional game overseas, the teams play American teams exclusively, the top flight of English teams will play a lot of matches against teams outside England in the Champions or Europa leagues.  As such, a country title on an American sports league feels redundant, while any clarification of countries, or any geographic notation, for European soccer clubs is actually kind of helpful.

3. Barclays hasn't always been the title sponsor.  Was it the CPL when Carling was the title sponsor?

4. BPL can be interpreted as 'British', but you usually hear about 'English' football, not 'British' football.  It just doesn't feel right.

An aside to point #2: Ask most Americans if Chelsea plays closer to Fulham or Liverpool and they'd probably guess Liverpool (Fulham's ground, Craven Cottage, is literally walking distance from Chelsea's Stamford Bridge, while Liverpool is as far away from both of them as Boston is from New York City).  I'm not saying to call them "Chelsea London" or anything, but I do sometimes think American TV coverage might be helped sometimes by at least using maps as a (quick) part of the graphics to open highlights or whatever.  That way, the visual learners in the crowd know, "Oh, derby."

I personally lean towards EPL.  I mean, I think BPL is fine, but it does get a little confusing.  NBC Sports likes to call it the BPL on NBC, but they might have to to make Barclays happy.
 
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