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2014-05-06 12:32:39 PM  
dozens might be overstating it.
 
2014-05-06 12:40:36 PM  

randomizetimer: dozens might be overstating it.


...by a factor of dozens
 
2014-05-06 01:46:53 PM  
A few old people and a couple of Canadian nationalists care.
 
2014-05-06 01:59:40 PM  

Nemo's Brother: A few old people and a couple of Canadian nationalists care.


Ya because everyone wants a $500+ iGalaxphone to show how awesome they are. This is a good move by BB but probably too little too late.
 
2014-05-06 02:06:50 PM  

hitmanric: Nemo's Brother: A few old people and a couple of Canadian nationalists care.

Ya because everyone wants a $500+ iGalaxphone to show how awesome they are. This is a good move by BB but probably too little too late.


There seems to be an extraordinary amount if butt hurt with Apple/android fans because of yesterday's trial...they're just corporations people...Tim Cook and Eric Schmidt won't come to your house and tell you how awesome you are for buying stuff...John Chen might if you buy enough though....
 
2014-05-06 02:11:14 PM  

hitmanric: Nemo's Brother: A few old people and a couple of Canadian nationalists care.

Ya because everyone wants a $500+ iGalaxphone to show how awesome they are. This is a good move by BB but probably too little too late.


Android devices are available at every size and price point. The only things BB has going for it are a few software functions that the other platforms have pretty much duplicated now. BB is now just serving as a warning for businesses that sit on their laurels. Their patents are the only thing of value that they possess now.
 
2014-05-06 02:12:45 PM  
Does it require a BES Server?

Does it require a $10 upcharge on my phone bill per month to use corporate email?

Are there any apps for it?  Are they decent?
 
2014-05-06 02:24:48 PM  

hitmanric: Nemo's Brother: A few old people and a couple of Canadian nationalists care.

Ya because everyone wants a $500+ iGalaxphone to show how awesome they are. This is a good move by BB but probably too little too late.


It was a little too late about five years ago.  Right now, it is "the cow is out of the barn, ran down the road, jumped on a ship that has sailed" kind of late.
 
2014-05-06 02:28:09 PM  
"Instead, the phone comes with a 5-inch qHD (960 × 540 pixels) touch screen display that promises to keep your eyes well-pleased.

The phone runs BlackBerry OS 10 and sports a 1.2 GHz dual-core Qualcomm Snapdragon (MSM8230) powerhouse with an Adreno 305 GPU. With a 5MP auto focus rear camera and an LED flash on its rear, the Z3 also comes with a 1.1MP front-facing camera, aiding video-calls and selfies. The phone supports 3G HSPA+, Wi-Fi 802.11 b/g/n, Bluetooth 4.0 LE with aptX codec and GPS, juiced by a 2500 mAh non-removable battery. The new Z3 comes with 8GB internal memory and is expandable up to 32GB with a microSD card. All this for about $200 seems like a good deal, doesn't it? "

With specs like that I bet they might get 5 people to buy it.  Soon to be free in 2 months.
 
2014-05-06 02:38:36 PM  
I still want a farking keyboard on my phone. Even blackberry has dropped it. Great.
 
2014-05-06 03:00:52 PM  

TheGreatGazoo: Does it require a BES Server?

Does it require a $10 upcharge on my phone bill per month to use corporate email?

Are there any apps for it?  Are they decent?


That I am forced to research the answers to these questions is why I won't buy or use one.  I'm a lazy 'Merican.
 
2014-05-06 03:06:03 PM  

madgonad: hitmanric: Nemo's Brother: A few old people and a couple of Canadian nationalists care.

Ya because everyone wants a $500+ iGalaxphone to show how awesome they are. This is a good move by BB but probably too little too late.

Android devices are available at every size and price point. The only things BB has going for it are a few software functions that the other platforms have pretty much duplicated now. BB is now just serving as a warning for businesses that sit on their laurels. Their patents are the only thing of value that they possess now.


That and a good physical keyboard which they seem to have abandoned too.
 
RJB
2014-05-06 03:10:14 PM  
I carry a Blackberry for work coontil they retire the BES later this year) and an Android for personal use. The keyboard on the Blackberry is outstanding; I've tried several Android keyboards and never got comfortable with them. Its battery life is tremendous. For those most basic functions of email, calendar, and contacts, I have yet to see an Android or iOS application that is anywhere near as usable.

It's a shame they let the rest of the mobile computing revolution pass them by. Their core product really is good...and this new model looks like they want to leave that behind, years too late for it to make a difference.
 
2014-05-06 03:25:40 PM  
I held one of the Z phones (first one?) when I was browsing at a Best Buy one day, and I will admit that they selected nice materials to build it out of and it felt good in the hand.

However, I have moved beyond BB, iphone and android and am quite happy using a Windows phone now (Lumia 920), no plans to go back (I loathe my work issued iphone 4 aka the slug).
 
2014-05-06 03:32:40 PM  

Representative of the unwashed masses: I held one of the Z phones (first one?) when I was browsing at a Best Buy one day, and I will admit that they selected nice materials to build it out of and it felt good in the hand.

However, I have moved beyond BB, iphone and android and am quite happy using a Windows phone now (Lumia 920), no plans to go back (I loathe my work issued iphone 4 aka the slug).


Same here,went to a Lumia 920, and sold my iPhone 4 for $170 on CL
I love having access to my battery and a microsd
windows mobile does lack a huge variety of apps.
 
2014-05-06 04:13:57 PM  

wildlifer: Representative of the unwashed masses: I held one of the Z phones (first one?) when I was browsing at a Best Buy one day, and I will admit that they selected nice materials to build it out of and it felt good in the hand.

However, I have moved beyond BB, iphone and android and am quite happy using a Windows phone now (Lumia 920), no plans to go back (I loathe my work issued iphone 4 aka the slug).

Same here,went to a Lumia 920, and sold my iPhone 4 for $170 on CL
I love having access to my battery and a microsd
windows mobile does lack a huge variety of apps.


your 920 has a micro sd slot? my sons doesn't. Maybe a Canada thing.


/my 710 is good enough for me.
 
2014-05-06 04:14:38 PM  

hitmanric: wildlifer: Representative of the unwashed masses: I held one of the Z phones (first one?) when I was browsing at a Best Buy one day, and I will admit that they selected nice materials to build it out of and it felt good in the hand.

However, I have moved beyond BB, iphone and android and am quite happy using a Windows phone now (Lumia 920), no plans to go back (I loathe my work issued iphone 4 aka the slug).

Same here,went to a Lumia 920, and sold my iPhone 4 for $170 on CL
I love having access to my battery and a microsd
windows mobile does lack a huge variety of apps.

your 920 has a micro sd slot? my sons doesn't. Maybe a Canada thing.


/my 710 is good enough for me.


mine doesn't either.  I think that the 1020's have the microSD though.
 
2014-05-06 04:46:47 PM  
"BlackBerry" is a fairly disrespectful way to refer to the President of the United States. Not the worst I've heard, of course...
 
2014-05-06 04:48:43 PM  

TNel: "Instead, the phone comes with a 5-inch qHD (960 × 540 pixels) touch screen display that promises to keep your eyes well-pleased.

The phone runs BlackBerry OS 10 and sports a 1.2 GHz dual-core Qualcomm Snapdragon (MSM8230) powerhouse with an Adreno 305 GPU. With a 5MP auto focus rear camera and an LED flash on its rear, the Z3 also comes with a 1.1MP front-facing camera, aiding video-calls and selfies. The phone supports 3G HSPA+, Wi-Fi 802.11 b/g/n, Bluetooth 4.0 LE with aptX codec and GPS, juiced by a 2500 mAh non-removable battery. The new Z3 comes with 8GB internal memory and is expandable up to 32GB with a microSD card. All this for about $200 seems like a good deal, doesn't it? "

With specs like that I bet they might get 5 people to buy it.  Soon to be free in 2 months.


Only 3G? No thanks. I'll take my 99 cent Android phone that also has loads of apps for school/work.
 
2014-05-06 04:59:06 PM  

madgonad: hitmanric: Nemo's Brother: A few old people and a couple of Canadian nationalists care.

Ya because everyone wants a $500+ iGalaxphone to show how awesome they are. This is a good move by BB but probably too little too late.

Android devices are available at every size and price point. The only things BB has going for it are a few software functions that the other platforms have pretty much duplicated now. BB is now just serving as a warning for businesses that sit on their laurels. Their patents are the only thing of value that they possess now.


Palm was a warning to business that sat on their laurels.  BlackBerry didn't listen.  Hell, they almost followed exactly in Palm's footsteps, right up to the "companion" device nobody wanted (BB: PlayBook; Palm: Foleo).  The Z series devices are basically BB's version of the Pre -- a last hurrah.

Shame, really.  I really liked Palm back then.  Never really got into BB tho.
 
2014-05-06 05:43:17 PM  

TheGreatGazoo: Does it require a $10 upcharge on my phone bill per month to use corporate email?


That was a carrier fee for extra data carried via a BES connection, which was bullshiat.  Also, since they're retiring the BES and going with ActiveSync the carries don't have any way of telling who's who anymore, so that fee is disappearing.
 
2014-05-06 05:50:09 PM  

madgonad: hitmanric: Nemo's Brother: A few old people and a couple of Canadian nationalists care.

Ya because everyone wants a $500+ iGalaxphone to show how awesome they are. This is a good move by BB but probably too little too late.

Android devices are available at every size and price point. The only things BB has going for it are a few software functions that the other platforms have pretty much duplicated now. BB is now just serving as a warning for businesses that sit on their laurels. Their patents are the only thing of value that they possess now.


Well - there is that whole security thing.  Which you can duplicate on iOS devices but not Android (yet).
 
2014-05-06 07:13:24 PM  
Compared to other phones those specs are awful. The only ones buying these will be the fifty plus crowd.
 
2014-05-06 07:32:17 PM  

Psychopusher: madgonad: hitmanric: Nemo's Brother: A few old people and a couple of Canadian nationalists care.

Ya because everyone wants a $500+ iGalaxphone to show how awesome they are. This is a good move by BB but probably too little too late.

Android devices are available at every size and price point. The only things BB has going for it are a few software functions that the other platforms have pretty much duplicated now. BB is now just serving as a warning for businesses that sit on their laurels. Their patents are the only thing of value that they possess now.

Palm was a warning to business that sat on their laurels.  BlackBerry didn't listen.  Hell, they almost followed exactly in Palm's footsteps, right up to the "companion" device nobody wanted (BB: PlayBook; Palm: Foleo).  The Z series devices are basically BB's version of the Pre -- a last hurrah.

Shame, really.  I really liked Palm back then.  Never really got into BB tho.


At least Palm had the sense to cancel the Foleo before releasing it, unlike BlackBerry.

Although to be fair, the Foleo might have had an audience if they had released it at a much lower price.  At that time, I would have been very interested in having an ultralight portable device with a full keyboard that I could take on hikes (I worked at a nature preserve at the time), even if it had a much smaller set of available applications than a normal laptop, but there was no way I'd pay $600 for such a device.
 
2014-05-06 07:54:57 PM  

TheGreatGazoo: Does it require a BES Server?

Does it require a $10 upcharge on my phone bill per month to use corporate email?

Are there any apps for it?  Are they decent?


http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2013/08/one-developer-makes-over-4700 0- of-blackberry-10s-120000-apps/

There's 47.000 fart apps.
 
2014-05-06 10:35:08 PM  
Only $200? Sorry, you'd have to pay me a lot more than that.
 
2014-05-06 11:21:53 PM  

hitmanric: Nemo's Brother: A few old people and a couple of Canadian nationalists care.

Ya because everyone wants a $500+ iGalaxphone to show how awesome they are. This is a good move by BB but probably too little too late.


That's a lot of butt hurt.
 
2014-05-07 12:00:19 AM  
People that are too cool to care about sports argue about phones.

I like my BB. Congratulations if you like a different phone or if you like BB. It really doesn't matter.
 
2014-05-07 02:30:24 AM  
Everyone here is forgetting the US government.  When I interned at the FDA a few years ago everyone and their pet monkey had a blackberry.

Every week or so something would take down the internal BB network and pretty much all work on the entire campus would cease.  The wailing and screeching shook the windows.
 
2014-05-07 08:34:27 AM  

Emposter: Everyone here is forgetting the US government.  When I interned at the FDA a few years ago everyone and their pet monkey had a blackberry.

Every week or so something would take down the internal BB network and pretty much all work on the entire campus would cease.  The wailing and screeching shook the windows.


How many years ago did you work there? At NASA I've never seen anyone with a government-provided Blackberry. iPhones are by far the most common government phone. Same goes for other feds I know in the DC area. It certainly depends on which agency you work for, but the "government workers use blackberry" line is probably 4 years out of date now.
 
2014-05-07 08:46:23 AM  

anfrind: Psychopusher: madgonad: hitmanric: Nemo's Brother: A few old people and a couple of Canadian nationalists care.

Ya because everyone wants a $500+ iGalaxphone to show how awesome they are. This is a good move by BB but probably too little too late.

Android devices are available at every size and price point. The only things BB has going for it are a few software functions that the other platforms have pretty much duplicated now. BB is now just serving as a warning for businesses that sit on their laurels. Their patents are the only thing of value that they possess now.

Palm was a warning to business that sat on their laurels.  BlackBerry didn't listen.  Hell, they almost followed exactly in Palm's footsteps, right up to the "companion" device nobody wanted (BB: PlayBook; Palm: Foleo).  The Z series devices are basically BB's version of the Pre -- a last hurrah.

Shame, really.  I really liked Palm back then.  Never really got into BB tho.

At least Palm had the sense to cancel the Foleo before releasing it, unlike BlackBerry.

Although to be fair, the Foleo might have had an audience if they had released it at a much lower price.  At that time, I would have been very interested in having an ultralight portable device with a full keyboard that I could take on hikes (I worked at a nature preserve at the time), even if it had a much smaller set of available applications than a normal laptop, but there was no way I'd pay $600 for such a device.


They only cancelled the Foleo though because of huge criticism from the media that it was a suicidal move and they should be focusing on, y'know, properly upgrading their existing stable instead of releasing minor incremental upgrades and constantly stalling PalmOS 6.  I kind of agree that the Foleo could have been moderately useful to some at the right price point, but what they planned on asking would have utterly killed it, and them along with it.

As it was, they ended up taking another year and change to come up with the Pre only to have it largely fail and then be swallowed up and dissolved by HP.

BB already released two Z-series phones, analogous to Palm's first two Pre models.  Now they're releasing a third.  Palm released a third, too.  Right before HP killed the brand entirely.

The kings of their respective hills need to remember that hills go down, too, and gravity is not their friend.
 
2014-05-07 10:35:09 AM  

Emposter: Everyone here is forgetting the US government.  When I interned at the FDA a few years ago everyone and their pet monkey had a blackberry.

Every week or so something would take down the internal BB network and pretty much all work on the entire campus would cease.  The wailing and screeching shook the windows.


Even the government is moving away from BB.   I was pitching to the Senate Master at Arms a few summers ago, and even then Senators were clamoring for, and getting, iPhones.
 
2014-05-07 11:44:05 AM  

dukeblue219: Emposter: Everyone here is forgetting the US government.  When I interned at the FDA a few years ago everyone and their pet monkey had a blackberry.

Every week or so something would take down the internal BB network and pretty much all work on the entire campus would cease.  The wailing and screeching shook the windows.

How many years ago did you work there? At NASA I've never seen anyone with a government-provided Blackberry. iPhones are by far the most common government phone. Same goes for other feds I know in the DC area. It certainly depends on which agency you work for, but the "government workers use blackberry" line is probably 4 years out of date now.


We *still* have BBs. In 2014.
 
2014-05-07 11:56:46 AM  

dukeblue219: Emposter: Everyone here is forgetting the US government.  When I interned at the FDA a few years ago everyone and their pet monkey had a blackberry.

Every week or so something would take down the internal BB network and pretty much all work on the entire campus would cease.  The wailing and screeching shook the windows.

How many years ago did you work there? At NASA I've never seen anyone with a government-provided Blackberry. iPhones are by far the most common government phone. Same goes for other feds I know in the DC area. It certainly depends on which agency you work for, but the "government workers use blackberry" line is probably 4 years out of date now.


Two years ago.  I guess I should have said a couple, not a few.
 
2014-05-07 11:58:17 AM  

smeag0l: hitmanric: Nemo's Brother: A few old people and a couple of Canadian nationalists care.

Ya because everyone wants a $500+ iGalaxphone to show how awesome they are. This is a good move by BB but probably too little too late.

That's a lot of butt hurt.


No butt hurt at all. If you want to overpay for a self perceived status symbol go ahead.
 
2014-05-07 01:25:38 PM  
 its a phone and for those quoting the stats and how out of date it is, this is not a US phone. It will never be in the United States. There are other markets(that Android is dominating, just flat out dominating.) And as far as BB actual flagship phone read this http://www.wired.com/2014/01/smartphone-thunderdome-with-blackberry/ and this http://www.wired.com/2014/01/thunderphone-challenge-results/
 
2014-05-07 02:07:18 PM  

Psychopusher: Palm was a warning to business that sat on their laurels.


Loved my Palm Pre even though the 1st generation hardware was so-so.  Was nice to have a physical keyboard, and the OS was a little bit faster after I used an App that overclocked the CPU.  I enjoyed being able to have an open-source OS that you could tweak as your desire, but Palm's biggest failure was that the few things they did better than the iPhone were easily able to be added to iOS software.
 
2014-05-07 02:13:23 PM  
I have a Z10 and I like it a lot. Mind you it is a corporate phone and if I had a personal one it would probably be an android.
 
2014-05-07 03:36:24 PM  

Psychopusher: They only cancelled the Foleo though because of huge criticism from the media that it was a suicidal move and they should be focusing on, y'know, properly upgrading their existing stable instead of releasing minor incremental upgrades and constantly stalling PalmOS 6. I kind of agree that the Foleo could have been moderately useful to some at the right price point, but what they planned on asking would have utterly killed it, and them along with it.

As it was, they ended up taking another year and change to come up with the Pre only to have it largely fail and then be swallowed up and dissolved by HP.


I don't usually put much stock in the opinions of market analysts, but they were right that the Foleo was a bad idea, for multiple reasons.  For the use case I mentioned earlier, I might have been willing to pay $100 at the very most for such a device.

I think I first realized that Palm was stagnating in 2005 or so, when I thought I'd upgrade from (IIRC) a Palm m515 to a Palm V, only to discover that all of the exciting new features of the V worked so poorly that it would be much faster and easier to use my laptop for everything other than the basics (calendar and to-do).  Fortunately, I realized this soon enough that I could return the V for a full refund.

Two years later, the iPhone came out, and the rest is history.  Although I have to wonder if the Palm story would have ended differently if the CEO of HP at the time hadn't been trying to rebuild HP in SAP's image...
 
2014-05-07 05:42:26 PM  

hitmanric: Nemo's Brother: A few old people and a couple of Canadian nationalists care.

Ya because everyone wants a $500+ iGalaxphone to show how awesome they are. This is a good move by BB but probably too little too late.


The Moto G runs a better OS and is more powerful than this piece of shiat.
 
2014-05-07 07:40:47 PM  

mrmopar5287: Loved my Palm Pre even though the 1st generation hardware was so-so.  Was nice to have a physical keyboard, and the OS was a little bit faster after I used an App that overclocked the CPU.  I enjoyed being able to have an open-source OS that you could tweak as your desire, but Palm's biggest failure was that the few things they did better than the iPhone were easily able to be added to iOS software.


I had a few models of Treo (650, 680, 750) and I loved them at the time.  Strangely though, having been with the iPhone for so long, I have to say I actually prefer the on-screen keyboard of the iPhone to the harder-to-press physical keys of the Treo.  Maybe it was just the Treo's buttons (compared to other smartphones with physical keyboard), I dunno.  The Pre had a few interesting ideas and it would have been interesting to see how it could have been fleshed out over time.  Unfortunately they simply didn't have that kind of time.

anfrind: I don't usually put much stock in the opinions of market analysts, but they were right that the Foleo was a bad idea, for multiple reasons.  For the use case I mentioned earlier, I might have been willing to pay $100 at the very most for such a device.

I think I first realized that Palm was stagnating in 2005 or so, when I thought I'd upgrade from (IIRC) a Palm m515 to a Palm V, only to discover that all of the exciting new features of the V worked so poorly that it would be much faster and easier to use my laptop for everything other than the basics (calendar and to-do).  Fortunately, I realized this soon enough that I could return the V for a full refund.

Two years later, the iPhone came out, and the rest is history.  Although I have to wonder if the Palm story would have ended differently if the CEO of HP at the time hadn't been trying to rebuild HP in SAP's image...


That was around the time I felt they were just dying out.  I'd upgraded from the Zire72 to the Tungsten T5 and liked it (except for the smaller heap which made RAM extenders not work well).  When the TX was released, literally the only thing they did was change the colour of the case to black, add Bluetooth, and drop the CPU speed by 25%.  I kept the T5 for a while until someone gave me an HP HX1940 PPC device whose wireless radios were dead.  I didn't care, I wanted to play around with it.  I was shocked that a device that was almost half the speed and had lower resolution was roundly kicking my Palm's ass in sheer performance.  That's when I dropped Palm altogether.  I kept my Treo for a while longer until the iPhone.

I kinda miss my old Palm though.
 
2014-05-07 08:49:28 PM  

Psychopusher: That was around the time I felt they were just dying out. I'd upgraded from the Zire72 to the Tungsten T5 and liked it (except for the smaller heap which made RAM extenders not work well). When the TX was released, literally the only thing they did was change the colour of the case to black, add Bluetooth, and drop the CPU speed by 25%. I kept the T5 for a while until someone gave me an HP HX1940 PPC device whose wireless radios were dead. I didn't care, I wanted to play around with it. I was shocked that a device that was almost half the speed and had lower resolution was roundly kicking my Palm's ass in sheer performance. That's when I dropped Palm altogether. I kept my Treo for a while longer until the iPhone.

I kinda miss my old Palm though.


I used my Palm m515 until the end of 2007.  I probably could have continued to use it for longer, but it was becoming less and less useful, although that had more to do with changes in my own life than the device itself.

In retrospect, it might have been somewhat useful later on, but by the time I got a smartphone there would have been absolutely no compelling reason to carry a separate PDA, no matter how primitive the calendar and to-do apps were on iOS and Android compared to those that came with the Palm.
 
2014-05-07 09:38:00 PM  

Rent Party: Emposter: Everyone here is forgetting the US government.  When I interned at the FDA a few years ago everyone and their pet monkey had a blackberry.

Every week or so something would take down the internal BB network and pretty much all work on the entire campus would cease.  The wailing and screeching shook the windows.

Even the government is moving away from BB.   I was pitching to the Senate Master at Arms a few summers ago, and even then Senators were clamoring for, and getting, iPhones.


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