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(Talking Points Memo)   Here we see the devilish Obama tying rope to a tree in the hopes of catching a wild Boehner. The trap is set, oh it looks like he's using...yes, he is using immigration reform as bait and.....*thwap* OH, I think we got ourselves dinner. Fascinating   ( talkingpointsmemo.com) divider line
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2014-05-06 09:19:46 AM  
Baited with cigs and a nice Merlot, no doubt.
 
2014-05-06 10:13:15 AM  

Diogenes: Baited with cigs and a nice Merlot, no doubt.


And free spray tanning gift certificates.
 
2014-05-06 10:13:34 AM  
He's more of a fiend, I thought.
 
2014-05-06 10:16:43 AM  

Ashyukun: Diogenes: Baited with cigs and a nice Merlot, no doubt.

And free spray tanning gift certificates.


Or carrots and a nice hefty dose of Vitamin B3.
 
2014-05-06 10:18:28 AM  
The dilemma isn't lost on Speaker John Boehner (R-OH), who has made repeated overtures toward bringing up reform in recent months -- only to get thwarted by his right flank each time.


When you dance in the bed you've sown, you catch the devil by the tail.
 
2014-05-06 10:18:36 AM  
Just make sure you inspect the liver before eating or at least have a plan to get home afterwards
 
2014-05-06 10:19:01 AM  
Isn't this a repeat thread? Except I thought it was whisky, not Merlot.
 
2014-05-06 10:20:35 AM  
You can't really blame Boner for his inaction.  It is pretty much the entire GOP who don't want to see any movement on immigration.  By choosing to do nothing though the GOP allows the dems to frame the issue which, as the article says, is going to hurt the GOP in the long run.
 
2014-05-06 10:21:12 AM  
It is enough to make a grown man cry.

In public.

Constantly.
 
2014-05-06 10:21:54 AM  
The picture looks like a waiting room for marriage counseling.
 
2014-05-06 10:24:19 AM  
Boehner is content to play out the clock until November, when he's banking on full Congressional control by his party.

Of course, if the Tea Party nominates too many Senate types, you could find the R's actually *losing* seats in the Senate. I also don't know the extent of gerrymandering, and whether the R's have more or less "maxed out" and might only gain 5-7 seats by winning their Red districts by 30% instead of 20%.
 
2014-05-06 10:24:43 AM  

pootsie: It is enough to make a grown man cry.


Is it enough to make a dead man cum?

/start me up
 
2014-05-06 10:26:46 AM  
FTFA:  The dilemma isn't lost on Speaker John Boehner (R-OH), who has made repeated overtures toward bringing up reform in recent months -- only to get thwarted by his right flank each time.

I don't care who you are, that's funny right there.
 
2014-05-06 10:28:17 AM  
Every time I see Boehner I think about the "orange is the new black" line from Obama's WHCD speech.
 
2014-05-06 10:29:29 AM  
biznology.com

Just wait til he takes the bait, his party will come crushing down on his head.
 
2014-05-06 10:30:22 AM  

pootsie: It is enough to make a grown man cry.

In public.

Constantly.


I take issue with that word, physical age is not always indicative of mental age.
 
2014-05-06 10:33:46 AM  
"House Republicans have handed the gavel of leadership on immigration to far-right extremists like Congressman Steve King," he said, noting that GOP leaders brought up and passed King's bill to require deportations of young people brought to the U.S. illegally as children.

Steve King...Steve King...where have I heard that name before?

They weren't all brought in by their parents. For every one who's a valedictorian, there's another 100 out there who weigh 130 pounds -- and they've got calves the size of cantaloupes because they've been hauling 75 pounds of marijuana across the desert.

oh right. Good thing you guys put him in charge.
 
2014-05-06 10:33:53 AM  

Muta: You can't really blame Boner for his inaction.  It is pretty much the entire GOP who don't want to see any movement on immigration.


Well, you can, because it's Boehner that pretty much gets to pick which legislation actually comes to the floor for a vote, so legislation favored by a majority of the people's representatives doesn't get voted on unless it's favored by a majority of the people's Republican representatives. Unfortunately, that's kind of a shiatty way to run a legislative body, and we all suffer because Boehner is more interested in maintaining his position and power than he is in responsible governance.
 
2014-05-06 10:34:31 AM  

Graffito: Every time I see Boehner I think about the "orange is the new black" line from Obama's WHCD speech.


Hey I used it before that: http://www.fark.com/comments/8215505/90242215#c90242215
 
2014-05-06 10:35:42 AM  
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2014-05-06 10:38:39 AM  

Lord_Baull: The dilemma isn't lost on Speaker John Boehner (R-OH), who has made repeated overtures toward bringing up reform in recent months -- only to get thwarted by his right flank each time.


When you dance in the bed you've sown, you catch the devil by the tail.


Is that you, farkass?
 
2014-05-06 10:39:12 AM  
encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com

Once again, Obama proves he is a Jedi President...
 
2014-05-06 10:39:59 AM  
Hey, GOP - if you're so concerned about Obama following THE LAW on immigration, you could always make a new one. Maybe something that says "Fartbammers must deport all the people browner than Boehner ('and maybe him too?' says Brutus Cantor), and if not it's a high crime and/or misdemeanor and impeachment proceedings start immediately".

You know, being in the legislature does have its advantages.

// you could also reform the system of laws for the better, but I think we all know that's not gonna happen
// them Hispanicans always vote socialistic anyway, amirite?
 
2014-05-06 10:41:49 AM  

stpickrell: Boehner is content to play out the clock until November, when he's banking on full Congressional control by his party.

Of course, if the Tea Party nominates too many Senate types, you could find the R's actually *losing* seats in the Senate. I also don't know the extent of gerrymandering, and whether the R's have more or less "maxed out" and might only gain 5-7 seats by winning their Red districts by 30% instead of 20%.


Senate elections are statewide.
 
2014-05-06 10:43:52 AM  

Tarl3k: [encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com image 210x240]

Once again, Obama proves he is a Jedi President...


Obama is Yoshi Toranaga from the novel "Shogun".
 
2014-05-06 10:44:57 AM  
Obama has learned of the Batman Gambit.
 
2014-05-06 10:45:55 AM  
So many tidbits from this article ...

The House, led by Goodlatte, has begun to investigate the Obama administration's actions on deportations. Recently 22 Republican senators wrote a letter to the president saying the executive actions he is considering "demonstrate an astonishing disregard for the Constitution, the rule of law, and the rights of American citizens and legal residents."

The problem is that since the GOP won't work with the President, they've forced him to grab for more power. They are the cause of this.
 
2014-05-06 10:48:23 AM  
Even worse, if Obama acts on his own Republicans won't share in any of the credit. Democrats will reap political gains with the Latinos

IMO the Hispanics taking a shiat on the GOP horse has already dun ran out the barn, I don't think they would see any gains by being in the passenger seat for immigration reform and their base will be mad. The way to even attempt to court that vote might be on social type issues and vague references to being the party of family values.
 
2014-05-06 10:53:32 AM  

Nadie_AZ: The problem is that since the GOP won't work with the President, they've forced him to grab for more power. They are the cause of this.


Yes, indeed. The quickest way to despotism is an ineffective or paralyzed legislature. Not saying Obama's headed that way, but that situation does tend to lead to the executive accruing more power because the legislature can't (or won't) deal with the issue in a reasonable fashion.
 
2014-05-06 10:54:06 AM  
But Racism is so in fashion for the discerning Right Winger these days
 
2014-05-06 10:56:35 AM  

Nadie_AZ: So many tidbits from this article ...

The House, led by Goodlatte, has begun to investigate the Obama administration's actions on deportations. Recently 22 Republican senators wrote a letter to the president saying the executive actions he is considering "demonstrate an astonishing disregard for the Constitution, the rule of law, and the rights of American citizens and legal residents."

The problem is that since the GOP won't work with the President, they've forced him to grab for more power. They are the cause of this.


Anytime someone uses "rule of law" in a sentence I automatically assume they have no farking clue what they are talking about.
 
2014-05-06 10:57:21 AM  

Tarl3k: [encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com image 210x240]

Once again, Obama proves he is a Jedi President...


To be fair, it's like a decent chess player vs. a child trying to dislodge the bishop they got stuck in their nose.  The GOP is so predictable with policy these days it's easy to set traps like this.

The real problem is determining whether the average citizen can tell the difference... especially without the help of informative and honestly presented news broadcasting.
 
2014-05-06 11:01:53 AM  

stpickrell: Boehner is content to play out the clock until November, when he's banking on full Congressional control by his party.

Of course, if the Tea Party nominates too many Senate types, you could find the R's actually *losing* seats in the Senate. I also don't know the extent of gerrymandering, and whether the R's have more or less "maxed out" and might only gain 5-7 seats by winning their Red districts by 30% instead of 20%.


Still can't really gerrymander an entire state for a Senate seat. But let's be honest: regardless of how November plays out, the standstill will continue until early 2017, when the tea party victors of six years prior face their doom in a presidential election year.

But honestly, Boehner would need a lot of votes against him to be removed as majority leader, so why not bring some of these things to the floor that you want, even if the craziest of crazy don't want it? OH YEAH IT'S BECAUSE YOU'RE DISINGENUOUS AND YOU REALLY DON'T WANT THESE CHANGES YOU DOUBLESPEAKING DRUNK.
 
2014-05-06 11:05:59 AM  

Triple Oak: But honestly, Boehner would need a lot of votes against him to be removed as majority leader, so why not bring some of these things to the floor that you want, even if the craziest of crazy don't want it? OH YEAH IT'S BECAUSE YOU'RE DISINGENUOUS AND YOU REALLY DON'T WANT THESE CHANGES YOU DOUBLESPEAKING DRUNK.


I don't think it's that he doesn't want those changes... it's just that he doesn't care about them and doesn't feel like risking the minuscule amount of political capital he has left on them. He'd rather wait until he's faced with a challenge that could unseat him as a speaker.
 
2014-05-06 11:12:38 AM  
The repubs are more than willing to do immigration reform.... just not the reform that the dems want.  Why are the dems styming republican immigration reform?
 
2014-05-06 11:13:27 AM  
Just because allowing crimes to be committed is popular doesn't make it right.

Same goes for ruining the economy, ruining our education system, flushing job creation down the toilet, and pretty much any liberal banner.
 
2014-05-06 11:18:37 AM  

Kangaroo_Ralph: Just because allowing crimes to be committed is popular doesn't make it right.

Same goes for ruining the economy, ruining our education system, flushing job creation down the toilet, and pretty much any liberal banner.


Sounds childish. Politics is the art of compromise, not tantrums.
 
2014-05-06 11:22:09 AM  

Kangaroo_Ralph: Just because allowing crimes to be committed is popular doesn't make it right.

Same goes for ruining the economy, ruining our education system, flushing job creation down the toilet, and pretty much any liberal banner.


Abortion stops a beating heart.

Conservatism stops a thinking brain.
 
2014-05-06 11:29:30 AM  

Mercutio74: Triple Oak: But honestly, Boehner would need a lot of votes against him to be removed as majority leader, so why not bring some of these things to the floor that you want, even if the craziest of crazy don't want it? OH YEAH IT'S BECAUSE YOU'RE DISINGENUOUS AND YOU REALLY DON'T WANT THESE CHANGES YOU DOUBLESPEAKING DRUNK.

I don't think it's that he doesn't want those changes... it's just that he doesn't care about them and doesn't feel like risking the minuscule amount of political capital he has left on them. He'd rather wait until he's faced with a challenge that could unseat him as a speaker.


I feel like not wanting and not caring go hand in hand here, because both require non-action of the "least productive Congress ever" variety that we've seen. Political pressure is the only motivation? Well it'll probably be too late for him when the hardest pressure comes. Everyone can see through it except the people that matter; he's taken nearly everything that has come his way and gone "nah, we'll just pass this terrible budget and try to strip the middle from the ACA again". That's crap, regardless of whether it's a want or a care.
 
2014-05-06 11:40:55 AM  

Saiga410: The repubs are more than willing to do immigration reform.... just not the reform that the dems want.  Why are the dems styming republican immigration reform?


A bigger wall/fence is not immigration reform...
 
2014-05-06 11:46:03 AM  
Let's think about this.

Say we wanted to deport every undocumented immigrant right now. Get rid of all of them. How would you do it? What would the costs be? Is it even possible?

There's about 11.7 million people in the United States who are not authorized to be here (according to the Center for Immigration Studies. Some sources say it's more like 20 million).

That's 266 thousand buses, or 60 thousand passenger train cars, or 26 thousand 747s. How would you find all these people? It would take years just to load them onto transportation, and that's not counting any due process or the work of actually finding and incarcerating them before loading them up.

You'd be at it for literally years- probably decades. And the logistics would destroy our economy. It's just not feasible or realistic.

The realpolitik is that these people are here, and we're not going to get rid of the ones who aren't committing crimes, which most of them aren't. It's simply a fact. We should find ways to adapt to the situation as it exists, because otherwise we're just being stupid.
 
2014-05-06 11:49:42 AM  

Triple Oak: stpickrell: Boehner is content to play out the clock until November, when he's banking on full Congressional control by his party.

Of course, if the Tea Party nominates too many Senate types, you could find the R's actually *losing* seats in the Senate. I also don't know the extent of gerrymandering, and whether the R's have more or less "maxed out" and might only gain 5-7 seats by winning their Red districts by 30% instead of 20%.

Still can't really gerrymander an entire state for a Senate seat. But let's be honest: regardless of how November plays out, the standstill will continue until early 2017, when the tea party victors of six years prior face their doom in a presidential election year.

But honestly, Boehner would need a lot of votes against him to be removed as majority leader, so why not bring some of these things to the floor that you want, even if the craziest of crazy don't want it? OH YEAH IT'S BECAUSE YOU'RE DISINGENUOUS AND YOU REALLY DON'T WANT THESE CHANGES YOU DOUBLESPEAKING DRUNK.


Sure you can. Gerrymander state districts for control of the statehouse. Remove direct elections of senators and give the power back to the state legislature. Light cigar, stroke furless cat and laugh maniacally.
 
2014-05-06 11:49:59 AM  

Kangaroo_Ralph: Just because allowing crimes to be committed is popular doesn't make it right.

Same goes for ruining the economy, ruining our education system, flushing job creation down the toilet, and pretty much any liberal banner.



You sound infromed.
 
2014-05-06 11:51:01 AM  

Cyclometh: Say we wanted to deport every undocumented immigrant right now. Get rid of all of them. How would you do it? What would the costs be? Is it even possible?


You could always tank the economy.  I forget the stat and I don't know if it's still true, but for a while there we were at negative immigration.
 
2014-05-06 12:02:17 PM  

MadCat221: Obama has learned of the Batman Gambit.


Obama is scowling in Creole?
 
2014-05-06 12:09:53 PM  

Saiga410: The repubs are more than willing to do immigration reform.... just not the reform that the dems want.  Why are the dems styming republican immigration reform?


Well see at the Federal level of government the US is a representative Democracy with a bicameral legislative branch, a chief Executive, and a nine person appointed judicial branch. What that means is that legislative efforts will always be a compromise as those representatives are elected from States. Different state constituents want different things for every issue.

The question is why won't the Republicans compromise? Not just on immigration reform, but pretty much every legislative issue we face. The Democrats have shown a willingness to negotiate a compromise, but the Republicans just seem to shoot it down every time and no Freedom Through Work camps for illegal immigrants is not an option. No matter how much you want to give those no bid contracts to build and run such camps to KBR.
 
2014-05-06 12:10:53 PM  

Soup4Bonnie: Cyclometh: Say we wanted to deport every undocumented immigrant right now. Get rid of all of them. How would you do it? What would the costs be? Is it even possible?

You could always tank the economy.  I forget the stat and I don't know if it's still true, but for a while there we were at negative immigration.


Well we could eliminate the minimum wage, eliminate Social Security (but keep the tax), and eliminate the Federal Pension system (but loot the funds). That would do it.
 
2014-05-06 12:16:33 PM  

Slaves2Darkness: Well we could eliminate the minimum wage, eliminate Social Security (but keep the tax), and eliminate the Federal Pension system (but loot the funds). That would do it.


That's even overly complex.  Just cut the tax rate to zero and the country will implode post haste.
 
2014-05-06 12:17:05 PM  
/offtopic
Can elected officials change parties mid-term?  For instance, if Boehner got truly pissed at the teabaggers and said, 'screw you guys, I'm a Democrat now."  Not that we'd want him really, but I would find it hilarious.
 
2014-05-06 12:26:09 PM  

Mercutio74: Just cut the tax rate to zero and the country will implode post haste.


Because of all the jobs created?
 
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