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(CNN)   GM once again spins the old Wheel of Recall and it lands on .... fuel gauge   (money.cnn.com) divider line 48
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ZAZ [TotalFark]
2014-05-06 09:45:39 AM  
The recall involves 2014 models of Buick Enclave, Chevrolet Traverse and GMC Acadia. GM said a software problem could lead to a faulty reading on both the high and low end of the range by as much as one quarter of a tank.

Is there any car on the road with an accurate fuel gauge, where the low mark means empty and the high mark means full?
 
2014-05-06 10:31:35 AM  

ZAZ: Is there any car on the road with an accurate fuel gauge, where the low mark means empty and the high mark means full?


Heh.

I've had two cars that were *REALLY* bad.  First one was my 1972 Triumph Spitfire.  It ran out of gas when the gauge hit 1/4 full.  I had a roommate borrow the car for a date and I forgot to tell him about it.

The other was a 1986 Ford Escort where the gas gauge would fall to "E" once it hit half a tank.  You still had half a tank of gas when that happened, but no reliable way to judge how much you had left after that.  Usually I was pretty good, using the odometer to judge how much further I could get, but I got caught once or twice.
 
2014-05-06 10:34:09 AM  
this should include ALL GM vehicles. I've owned several GM's and the fuel guage never worked. had an S-10 back in 2000, it was only 6 months old and it was broken ... friend had a buick lesabre, the guage would drop off the dial when he went below 1/2 tank.
 
2014-05-06 10:47:11 AM  

ZAZ: The recall involves 2014 models of Buick Enclave, Chevrolet Traverse and GMC Acadia. GM said a software problem could lead to a faulty reading on both the high and low end of the range by as much as one quarter of a tank.

Is there any car on the road with an accurate fuel gauge, where the low mark means empty and the high mark means full?


my 2009 CRV still has about a gallon when the little digital "range" says 0 miles. I guess it's a reserve or something.

i had a bug as a teenager, you had to pop the clutch then slam on the breaks and turn off the engine. The gas would slosh around in the tank and you could hear it, that's how you knew how much gas you had.
 
2014-05-06 11:27:58 AM  

ToastTheRabbit: this should include ALL GM vehicles. I've owned several GM's and the fuel guage never worked. had an S-10 back in 2000, it was only 6 months old and it was broken ... friend had a buick lesabre, the guage would drop off the dial when he went below 1/2 tank.


mmmmm feel that union quality


That said I had a 2000 Envoy Denali that I put over 110k miles on. Not a great ride or anything but it got the job done. Wouldn't buy another one.
 
2014-05-06 11:37:32 AM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: mmmmm feel that union quality


They were only building them according to the specs developed by the engineers and approved by management, but sure, okay, blame the guys working the line. I'm sure the dude who's job is to put door panels on had lots to do with designing fuel gauges.
 
2014-05-06 11:40:44 AM  
I've never liked GM, they are bland inside, typically succumb to cataclysmic failures and just look absolutely boring as a whole.
 
2014-05-06 11:41:00 AM  

ToastTheRabbit: this should include ALL GM vehicles. I've owned several GM's and the fuel guage never worked. had an S-10 back in 2000, it was only 6 months old and it was broken ... friend had a buick lesabre, the guage would drop off the dial when he went below 1/2 tank.


Yup I have friends who have had Blazers, S-10s, Tahoes and Suburbans from the early 2000s everyone of those cars had bad fuel gauges.  Remember to reset the trip odometer every fill up and refuel at 200 miles
 
2014-05-06 11:52:21 AM  
My Aztek has never had an accurate fuel gauge. These people need to put on their big boy pants and figure out how the odometer works.
 
2014-05-06 12:03:20 PM  
ToastTheRabbit: this should include ALL GM vehicles. I've owned several GM's and the fuel guage never worked. had an S-10 back in 2000, it was only 6 months old and it was broken ... friend had a buick lesabre, the guage would drop off the dial when he went below 1/2 tank.


Total Recall
 
2014-05-06 12:09:42 PM  
I remember when it was hip to poke fun at Hyundai. Now I hitch a ride with a Hyundai driver when my GM shiats itself.
 
2014-05-06 12:17:57 PM  

Bob Down: I remember when it was hip to poke fun at Hyundai. Now I hitch a ride with a Hyundai driver when my GM shiats itself.


I own 2 of them.  '05 Accent and a '10 Sante Fe.  Almost a quarter-of-a-million miles between them with nothing more than basic maintenance.  Oh wait.  The clock is f-ed up in the Accent.  Goes on and off whenever it feels like it.  I got over it.
 
2014-05-06 12:25:44 PM  
Didn't GM offer a free or heavily discounted new car to everyone to make up for the issues?  They only had a few hundred people or less take them up on the offer because that meant they would have to own another GM car...
 
2014-05-06 12:31:41 PM  
My beater car ('89 Olds Cutlass Ciera) has the GM fuel gauge bug. NEVER EVER go anywhere other than a gas station if the fuel tank is reading anywhere near 1/4 tank. I learned that the hard way on the interstate one day. Thankfully I was in the right lane and a car stalling isn't enough to make me lose my shiat and wreck.

The lack of a trip odometer on that thing makes it easy to lose track of how far you've gone since the last fill up since I really don't take it very far or very often. I just now consider 1/4 tank as 'this car is on vapors'.
 
2014-05-06 01:12:20 PM  
My envoy (2005) only has a small offset on the fuel, maybe two gallons, and I track the odometer.

My big problem is that every now and then the speedometer will go off scale high, even when stopped. Takes about 5 days for it to slowly reset itself.
 
2014-05-06 01:26:26 PM  
Is it worse that GM thinks the general public is so stupid that they felt the need to explain what happens when a car runs out of gas, or that they were completely correct in that assumption?
 
2014-05-06 01:33:12 PM  

dittybopper: The other was a 1986 Ford Escort where the gas gauge would fall to "E" once it hit half a tank. You still had half a tank of gas when that happened, but no reliable way to judge how much you had left after that. Usually I was pretty good, using the odometer to judge how much further I could get, but I got caught once or twice.


The speedometer and odometer in my old escort would not work until the engine warmed up, then they would spring to life.
 
2014-05-06 01:42:32 PM  

beantowndog: dittybopper: The other was a 1986 Ford Escort where the gas gauge would fall to "E" once it hit half a tank. You still had half a tank of gas when that happened, but no reliable way to judge how much you had left after that. Usually I was pretty good, using the odometer to judge how much further I could get, but I got caught once or twice.

The speedometer and odometer in my old escort would not work until the engine warmed up, then they would spring to life.


I used to drive an old Heisenberg roadster.  Every time I got near a street sign, the speedometer stopped working.
 
2014-05-06 01:44:13 PM  
Again??????

The mid 2000 models of similar vehicles had the same issue. Originally GM said we don't have to cover it due to the bankruptcy but in good faith we will cover half the cost of it.

They later came back and said they would replace them all if yours had a problem. I guess they have some serious QC issues with the supplier of the gauges.
 
2014-05-06 01:59:38 PM  
Not that it has any bearing on the problem at hand, but if a stall is enough to cause you to crash, maybe you just shouldn't get behind the wheel of anything.
 
2014-05-06 02:13:36 PM  
Interesting comments here I drive a mid to early Chevy truck and the fuel gauge is about the only on on the dashboard that works.  Speedometer that says your going 90 while sitting at a stop light, battery gauge that depending on the outside temperature will say the battery is way past full or if its cold way below dead, but the battery is fine I had it tested.  Also in the cold the Tachometer hardly goes above 500 RPM even at full throttle.
 
2014-05-06 02:18:19 PM  

Ring of Fire: I drive a mid to early Chevy truck


mid:

www.aladad.org

early:
www.hotrodhotline.com

No wonder your gauges don't work
 
2014-05-06 02:23:04 PM  

skozlaw: Not that it has any bearing on the problem at hand, but if a stall is enough to cause you to crash, maybe you just shouldn't get behind the wheel of anything.


Power steering and brakes become difficult to operate, reducing controllability.

I used to economy run my '66 Karmann-Ghia (manual everything) - coast down hills with the engine off, that kind of thing.  Tried that once after I bought a new '95 Toyota pickup with power steering and brakes.  Just once was enough.
 
2014-05-06 02:24:23 PM  
Actually, going to E with a quarter tank would explain how Kramer goes so damned far.

/episode 911
//wake up sheeple!
 
2014-05-06 02:30:31 PM  

SansNeural: Ring of Fire: I drive a mid to early Chevy truck

mid:



early:


No wonder your gauges don't work


Whoops I left '00s
 
2014-05-06 03:09:11 PM  
chasd00:
i had a bug as a teenager, you had to pop the clutch then slam on the breaks and turn off the engine. The gas would slosh around in the tank and you could hear it, that's how you knew how much gas you had.

Huh, I guess we had different techniques. I just picked up the car and shook it.
 
2014-05-06 03:18:21 PM  

SansNeural: Power steering and brakes become difficult to operate, reducing controllability.


I'm aware. I had one of those bigass 4.6L Thunderbirds back in the day and it decided to stall from time to time due to a vacuum leak. It wasn't pleasant, but even as heavy as that car was, it wasn't the end of the world. I think if you can't nurse it out of traffic without crashing you were either driving like an idiot before you lost power or you're so panicky you're going to crash anytime ANYTHING unusual happens.

Hydroplaning and losing a tire on the highway are far worse feelings in my book.
 
2014-05-06 03:23:06 PM  
shiat, I hope GM reconsiders who it's using as suppliers soon
 
2014-05-06 03:40:31 PM  

McGrits: My envoy (2005) only has a small offset on the fuel, maybe two gallons, and I track the odometer.

My big problem is that every now and then the speedometer will go off scale high, even when stopped. Takes about 5 days for it to slowly reset itself.


Your stepper motor on your instrument cluster
is going bad.very common problem. Send the cluster to dr. Speedometer in Missouri, $200 and he'll fix your cluster. Add blue Led bulbs, you'll thank me later.
 
2014-05-06 04:33:55 PM  
My GM 1997 truck fuel gauge plummets like a bag of dirt.  Looks fine till you get to 1/2, then you better be pulling in to quick trip...
 
2014-05-06 04:36:09 PM  

ToastTheRabbit: I've never liked GM, they are bland inside, typically succumb to cataclysmic failures and just look absolutely boring as a whole.


Umm...OK.

upload.wikimedia.org

www.proteam-corvette.com

upload.wikimedia.org

www.salguod.net

farm7.staticflickr.com
 
2014-05-06 04:49:12 PM  

wildlifer: McGrits: My envoy (2005) only has a small offset on the fuel, maybe two gallons, and I track the odometer.

My big problem is that every now and then the speedometer will go off scale high, even when stopped. Takes about 5 days for it to slowly reset itself.

Your stepper motor on your instrument cluster
is going bad.very common problem. Send the cluster to dr. Speedometer in Missouri, $200 and he'll fix your cluster. Add blue Led bulbs, you'll thank me later.


Thanks for the tip.
 
2014-05-06 05:57:14 PM  
GM electrical engineering is bad because they are trying to cut costs too far. Now that it has bi them in the a$$ a few times, maybe they will listen to their engineers.

\brass contacts and connectors in a car? Are you stupid or crazy?
 
2014-05-06 06:57:27 PM  

wildlifer: McGrits: My envoy (2005) only has a small offset on the fuel, maybe two gallons, and I track the odometer.

My big problem is that every now and then the speedometer will go off scale high, even when stopped. Takes about 5 days for it to slowly reset itself.

Your stepper motor on your instrument cluster
is going bad.very common problem. Send the cluster to dr. Speedometer in Missouri, $200 and he'll fix your cluster. Add blue Led bulbs, you'll thank me later.


My old 2005 Silverado had the same thing (little bro has it now).  And here I thought it was something really weird.

/other than that (200,000 km approx 160k miles) it ran like a champ.
 
2014-05-06 07:07:00 PM  
My car drops to E whenever I fill it and then slowly moves back towards full, and in between it just sits between 3/8 and 3/4 full.  It is so bad at letting me know the actual level that I just set the trip odometer and fill by mileage and not by the gauge.
 
Al!
2014-05-06 07:08:57 PM  
My 01 Bonneville would reach 1/2 then start going back up again... most of the time.  Sometimes it would freeze at 1/2, then just drop (rise?) to full when it actually became empty.  All I would do was watch the miles and fill up when it hit 350.  Most of the time I had about 2 gallons left when I filled up.
 
2014-05-06 07:32:38 PM  
Only at GM....your fuel gauge shows empty, so you keep filling the tank and it regurgitates,
or it shows full and you keep running dry.  (Don't some cars have a "low fuel" signal?
Evidently, these didn't.)
 
2014-05-06 07:36:07 PM  

dittybopper: ZAZ: Is there any car on the road with an accurate fuel gauge, where the low mark means empty and the high mark means full?

Heh.

I've had two cars that were *REALLY* bad.  First one was my 1972 Triumph Spitfire.  It ran out of gas when the gauge hit 1/4 full.  I had a roommate borrow the car for a date and I forgot to tell him about it.

The other was a 1986 Ford Escort where the gas gauge would fall to "E" once it hit half a tank.  You still had half a tank of gas when that happened, but no reliable way to judge how much you had left after that.  Usually I was pretty good, using the odometer to judge how much further I could get, but I got caught once or twice.


My car (a 2005 Nissan Sentra) has a "distance to empty" feature that shows how many miles you
can drive before your fuel runs out.  I'm not sure if it's accurate, though; I don't let the "dte" drop
below 100 if possible.  (Maybe this was required in cars after a certain model year, or it's
simply something unique to Nissan.)
 
2014-05-06 07:51:34 PM  
The Stealth Hippopotamus:

mmmmm feel that union quality


Go buy a German car, you know, the companies that refuse to work without a workers union.

Such shiat.
 
2014-05-06 10:17:51 PM  

Li'l Robbie: dittybopper: ZAZ: Is there any car on the road with an accurate fuel gauge, where the low mark means empty and the high mark means full?

Heh.

I've had two cars that were *REALLY* bad.  First one was my 1972 Triumph Spitfire.  It ran out of gas when the gauge hit 1/4 full.  I had a roommate borrow the car for a date and I forgot to tell him about it.

The other was a 1986 Ford Escort where the gas gauge would fall to "E" once it hit half a tank.  You still had half a tank of gas when that happened, but no reliable way to judge how much you had left after that.  Usually I was pretty good, using the odometer to judge how much further I could get, but I got caught once or twice.

My car (a 2005 Nissan Sentra) has a "distance to empty" feature that shows how many miles you
can drive before your fuel runs out.  I'm not sure if it's accurate, though; I don't let the "dte" drop
below 100 if possible.  (Maybe this was required in cars after a certain model year, or it's
simply something unique to Nissan.)


I have seen that on a couple of Ford models, but those were back before 95.
 
2014-05-06 10:23:33 PM  

Li'l Robbie: dittybopper: ZAZ: Is there any car on the road with an accurate fuel gauge, where the low mark means empty and the high mark means full?

Heh.

I've had two cars that were *REALLY* bad.  First one was my 1972 Triumph Spitfire.  It ran out of gas when the gauge hit 1/4 full.  I had a roommate borrow the car for a date and I forgot to tell him about it.

The other was a 1986 Ford Escort where the gas gauge would fall to "E" once it hit half a tank.  You still had half a tank of gas when that happened, but no reliable way to judge how much you had left after that.  Usually I was pretty good, using the odometer to judge how much further I could get, but I got caught once or twice.

My car (a 2005 Nissan Sentra) has a "distance to empty" feature that shows how many miles you
can drive before your fuel runs out.  I'm not sure if it's accurate, though; I don't let the "dte" drop
below 100 if possible.  (Maybe this was required in cars after a certain model year, or it's
simply something unique to Nissan.)


It's usually better to run on as full a tank as possible.  The fuel Los acts as a coolant for the pump on cars with in-tank pumps.  When you run it close to empty often, the heat from the radiator passing under the tank will heat it up, and this can cause the fuel pump to die sooner.
 
2014-05-06 10:25:29 PM  

Dr Jack Badofsky: Li'l Robbie: dittybopper: ZAZ: Is there any car on the road with an accurate fuel gauge, where the low mark means empty and the high mark means full?

Heh.

I've had two cars that were *REALLY* bad.  First one was my 1972 Triumph Spitfire.  It ran out of gas when the gauge hit 1/4 full.  I had a roommate borrow the car for a date and I forgot to tell him about it.

The other was a 1986 Ford Escort where the gas gauge would fall to "E" once it hit half a tank.  You still had half a tank of gas when that happened, but no reliable way to judge how much you had left after that.  Usually I was pretty good, using the odometer to judge how much further I could get, but I got caught once or twice.

My car (a 2005 Nissan Sentra) has a "distance to empty" feature that shows how many miles you
can drive before your fuel runs out.  I'm not sure if it's accurate, though; I don't let the "dte" drop
below 100 if possible.  (Maybe this was required in cars after a certain model year, or it's
simply something unique to Nissan.)

It's usually better to run on as full a tank as possible.   The fuel Los acts as a coolant for the pump on cars with in-tank pumps.  When you run it close to empty often, the heat from the radiator passing under the tank will heat it up, and this can cause the fuel pump to die sooner.


The fuel also acts...
 
2014-05-07 07:45:08 AM  

ToastTheRabbit: this should include ALL GM vehicles. I've owned several GM's and the fuel guage never worked. had an S-10 back in 2000, it was only 6 months old and it was broken ... friend had a buick lesabre, the guage would drop off the dial when he went below 1/2 tank.


Yep. I had a '97 Vette that the fuel gauge would stick. One half of the floats wouldn't move so unless I put techron in the tank with every other fill up, it didn't work right.

I loved my Vette, it really flew. Apart.
 
2014-05-07 08:30:38 AM  

dittybopper: 1972 Triumph Spitfire


*sighs nostalgically*

I miss mine.
 
2014-05-07 08:56:22 AM  
Dr Jack Badofsky:

It's usually better to run on as full a tank as possible.  The fuel Los acts as a coolant for the pump on cars with in-tank pumps.  When you run it close to empty often, the heat from the radiator passing under the tank will heat it up, and this can cause the fuel pump to die sooner.

Usually if the tank is getting heated from the radiator, you have bigger problems.
 
2014-05-07 10:35:52 AM  

Representative of the unwashed masses: wildlifer: McGrits: My envoy (2005) only has a small offset on the fuel, maybe two gallons, and I track the odometer.

My big problem is that every now and then the speedometer will go off scale high, even when stopped. Takes about 5 days for it to slowly reset itself.

Your stepper motor on your instrument cluster
is going bad.very common problem. Send the cluster to dr. Speedometer in Missouri, $200 and he'll fix your cluster. Add blue Led bulbs, you'll thank me later.

My old 2005 Silverado had the same thing (little bro has it now).  And here I thought it was something really weird.

/other than that (200,000 km approx 160k miles) it ran like a champ.


There was a recall for this.  I had the entire instrument cluster replaced in my '04 for free.
 
2014-05-07 11:22:13 AM  

Dinodork: Dr Jack Badofsky:

It's usually better to run on as full a tank as possible.  The fuel Los acts as a coolant for the pump on cars with in-tank pumps.  When you run it close to empty often, the heat from the radiator passing under the tank will heat it up, and this can cause the fuel pump to die sooner.

Usually if the tank is getting heated from the radiator, you have bigger problems.


You've never worked on a car in your life, have you?
 
2014-05-07 04:41:52 PM  
If it's just the instrument cluster that's failing you should in theory see the correct level through the OBDII port.

Go to Amazon and buy a $15 OBDII bluetooth reader, install Torque on your Android phone and set up a fuel gauge to show on the screen.

www.soundandvision.com
 
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