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(Short List)   $499 for a console you owned 30 years ago. But now it's all shiny   (shortlist.com) divider line 106
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2014-05-06 08:57:56 PM

HeartBurnKid: I was honestly thinking more of the general experience of gaming, not just the graphics. It just felt like there was more to do in NES games.  There was nothing on C64 like Legend of Zelda, the Mega Man games, or Super Mario Bros. 3 -- long-form games like that, that laid out an epic journey before you.


You must have had a crap C64 collection!

Try:

Pool of Radiance, and every other Gold-Box SSI Dungeons & Dragons game
Ultima II, III, IV
Phantasie I, II
The Bard's Tale (whole series)
Below the Root (often considered the inspiration for Legend of Zelda)
Wasteland
Questron
Might & Magic
Wizardry
Battletech RPG
Temple of Apshai
Legacy of the Ancients
AutoDuel
Jumpman & Jumpman Jr.
Castle Wolfenstein (the original)

and so many more. Seriously, there was nothing on the NES that could compare to the C64 in terms of real epic journeys. Zelda was an action/collect the stuff game. It wasn't much different in format than E.T. or Swordquest for the Atari 2600. It was, in fact, just an updated version of Atari 2600 Adventure.
 
2014-05-06 09:02:02 PM

poot_rootbeer: The NES display chip is better at the kinds of sprites-and-tiles graphics programming that was common in arcade machines in the early '80s, but the computer has other display modes that make it capable of entire genres which never showed up on the console.

And the NES has a better color palette (even though it lacks a proper yellow).


The NES didn't have the SID chip for sound, and that's why the C64 had better music and sound effects. People were all gaga over Blades of Steel mumbling its name on NES, while on C64 we had Impossible Mission speaking clearly, and SAM (a software speech-synthesis program) to play around with while we were listening to cool C64 music. There's a reason most chiptune makers love that SID chip.
 
2014-05-06 09:13:12 PM

Nix Nightbird: HeartBurnKid: I was honestly thinking more of the general experience of gaming, not just the graphics. It just felt like there was more to do in NES games.  There was nothing on C64 like Legend of Zelda, the Mega Man games, or Super Mario Bros. 3 -- long-form games like that, that laid out an epic journey before you.

You must have had a crap C64 collection!

Try:

Pool of Radiance, and every other Gold-Box SSI Dungeons & Dragons game
Ultima II, III, IV
Phantasie I, II
The Bard's Tale (whole series)
Below the Root (often considered the inspiration for Legend of Zelda)
Wasteland
Questron
Might & Magic
Wizardry
Battletech RPG
Temple of Apshai
Legacy of the Ancients
AutoDuel
Jumpman & Jumpman Jr.
Castle Wolfenstein (the original)

and so many more. Seriously, there was nothing on the NES that could compare to the C64 in terms of real epic journeys. Zelda was an action/collect the stuff game. It wasn't much different in format than E.T. or Swordquest for the Atari 2600. It was, in fact, just an updated version of Atari 2600 Adventure.


Hydlide, a few of the Wizardry games, a few of the Ultima games, the Dragon Warrior series, Swords and Serpents, Bard's Tale,
and King's Quest just that I can think of. NES had plenty of epic adventures.
 
2014-05-07 02:57:30 AM
Why wouldn't I just spend $30 on ebay to get a machine that can play NES, SNES, GameCube, and Genesis carts? I mean, sure, I might have to buy another one in a couple years, but still, that's a total of about $60. I'll have enough left over to buy a MIB Zelda game.
 
2014-05-07 07:37:32 AM

Nix Nightbird: HeartBurnKid: I was honestly thinking more of the general experience of gaming, not just the graphics. It just felt like there was more to do in NES games.  There was nothing on C64 like Legend of Zelda, the Mega Man games, or Super Mario Bros. 3 -- long-form games like that, that laid out an epic journey before you.

You must have had a crap C64 collection!

Try:

Pool of Radiance, and every other Gold-Box SSI Dungeons & Dragons game
Ultima II, III, IV
Phantasie I, II
The Bard's Tale (whole series)
Below the Root (often considered the inspiration for Legend of Zelda)
Wasteland
Questron
Might & Magic
Wizardry
Battletech RPG
Temple of Apshai
Legacy of the Ancients
AutoDuel
Jumpman & Jumpman Jr.
Castle Wolfenstein (the original)

and so many more. Seriously, there was nothing on the NES that could compare to the C64 in terms of real epic journeys. Zelda was an action/collect the stuff game. It wasn't much different in format than E.T. or Swordquest for the Atari 2600. It was, in fact, just an updated version of Atari 2600 Adventure.


I noticed lots of RPGs on your list, and you're right, the console RPG didn't really take off until the 16-bit era.  But in every other genre, the NES had some of the greatest games ever.  Are you seriously trying to tell me Jumpman Jr. compares favorably to the likes of Mario 3?  Or that Zelda is just an updated version of Adventure?  Seriously, now, there's personal preference, and then there's delusion.
 
2014-05-07 11:19:01 AM
I'm confused. Why make a digital console when your company is named Analogue Interactive? This is my ideal of a classic analog console:

www.isquare.com
 
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