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2014-05-06 03:16:40 AM  
FTFA Paul is either wrong or very wrong.

Surprise!
 
2014-05-06 03:43:27 AM  
"Paul said that "for every Kentuckian that has enrolled in Obamacare, 40 have been dropped from their coverage." That's not mathematically possible. If you take the narrowest definition of "sign-ups," there would have to be 3.3 million cancellations in the state for Paul's statement to be accurate -- and there aren't even that many Kentuckians with private insurance plans that could theoretically be canceled. In fact, it's reasonable to argue that more people in Kentucky have coverage through Obamacare than have been canceled. Paul's statement is so wildly off that we rate it Pants on Fire." - RAND PAUL
 
2014-05-06 07:29:27 AM  
I blame Common Core.
 
2014-05-06 07:34:47 AM  
We are all going to be paying a lot more attention to Rand Paul since he has access to Romney's fundraising list. Imagine the high quality paper he could use for his government-conspiracy newsletters. Glossy AND double sided!
 
2014-05-06 07:39:42 AM  
PolitiFact forgot to harmonize statistical quirks.
 
2014-05-06 07:44:44 AM  
Yeah, even I don't believe that.
 
2014-05-06 07:49:28 AM  
They are desperate to spin the success in Kentucky.
 
2014-05-06 07:52:41 AM  
You're going to need a bigger bootstrap.
 
2014-05-06 07:53:29 AM  
Paulites dont care about facts. They just want to watch the world burn
 
MFK
2014-05-06 07:53:48 AM  

kronicfeld: They are desperate to spin the success in Kentucky.


This statement kind of blows my mind because while I know that lots of people treat politics as sport, what they are "desperate to spin" is that REAL PEOPLE have access to affordable health care so they don't DIE. That anybody would think this is a bad thing just makes my mind reel.
 
2014-05-06 07:57:45 AM  
If you take the smallest possible number of signups (82,795, counting just the new private plans) and multiply it by 40, you'd need more than 3.3 million cancellations to make the math work.

Just for comparison, the entire population of KY is 4.38 million.
 
2014-05-06 07:58:22 AM  
I'm surprised PolitiFact couldn't find a way to make this "Half True". Y'know, for balance.
 
2014-05-06 07:58:32 AM  

MFK: kronicfeld: They are desperate to spin the success in Kentucky.

This statement kind of blows my mind because while I know that lots of people treat politics as sport, what they are "desperate to spin" is that REAL PEOPLE have access to affordable health care so they don't DIE. That anybody would think this is a bad thing just makes my mind reel.


It makes the ACA appear to be a success. This is not allowed.
 
2014-05-06 08:02:37 AM  
I thought no such thing.
 
2014-05-06 08:02:44 AM  

Lost Thought 00: Paulites dont care about facts. They just want to watch the world burn


It has begun, but not in the way Conservatives might hope for.
 
2014-05-06 08:03:56 AM  

SlothB77: Yeah, even I don't believe that.


Because you'll believe anything your overlords tell you?
 
2014-05-06 08:04:42 AM  
It is only dangerous to believe him, Subby.
 
2014-05-06 08:06:20 AM  
No, I don't pay attention to Rand Paul, and certainly don't believe him on anything.
 
2014-05-06 08:06:44 AM  
As a Kentuckian, I would like to apologize for the idiots that my state keeps electing. :(
 
2014-05-06 08:08:14 AM  
"All this was inspired by the principle-which is quite true within itself-that in the big lie there is always a certain force of credibility; because the broad masses of a nation are always more easily corrupted in the deeper strata of their emotional nature than consciously or voluntarily; and thus in the primitive simplicity of their minds they more readily fall victims to the big lie than the small lie, since they themselves often tell small lies in little matters but would be ashamed to resort to large-scale falsehoods. It would never come into their heads to fabricate colossal untruths, and they would not believe that others could have the impudence to distort the truth so infamously."  - RAND PAUL
 
2014-05-06 08:12:32 AM  
They really stretched that out. Desperately trying to find more words to say "No, just no" over and over.
 
2014-05-06 08:18:16 AM  
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2014/may/05/rand-p a ul/rand-paul-says-40-times-more-kentuckians-have-gott/?idiot

LULZ
 
2014-05-06 08:18:28 AM  
He was just using the Biblical version of 40; it's not supposed to be an exact number! It just means "a very large amount." And anyone can tell you that the number of cancellations is obviously a very large amount without any need of counting. It's about gut feeling; you can't legislate healthcare with cold "numbers" or lying "statisticals."
 
2014-05-06 08:19:36 AM  
* Not meant to be a factual statement.

They left that part out is all.
 
2014-05-06 08:20:00 AM  
Either Rand is ignorant and really thinks that at least 75% of his state's residents had their insurance canceled (read that as essentially every insured resident of the state), or he's malicious and cynically thinks everyone else in the state will believe his claim. I'm not sure which option is worse.
 
2014-05-06 08:20:05 AM  

MFK: kronicfeld: They are desperate to spin the success in Kentucky.

This statement kind of blows my mind because while I know that lots of people treat politics as sport, what they are "desperate to spin" is that REAL PEOPLE have access to affordable health care so they don't DIE. That anybody would think this is a bad thing just makes my mind reel.


Plus this is so easy to spin in a better manner that is still on message. I would have gone with "See? The states can handle this, we made and manage our own system".

Yes, you'd have to ignore the federal cash, but that's par for the course anyhow and you're not running with absurd numbers that you can't hope to defend.
 
2014-05-06 08:20:28 AM  

theknuckler_33: http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2014/may/05/rand-p a ul/rand-paul-says-40-times-more-kentuckians-have-gott/?idiot

LULZ


Nice catch!
 
2014-05-06 08:22:13 AM  
Picture Name: Rand_Paul_speakling.jpg

static.politifact.com.s3.amazonaws.com
 
2014-05-06 08:26:58 AM  
Oh, they don't have Obamacare in Kentucky.  They have Kynect, which is Obamacare, but called Kynect.  The Kentucky government types were worried that if people thought it was Obamacare no one would sign up, but call it Kynect and people like it quite a bit.  There was at least one news article where people doing signups just smiled and nodded whenever someone said, "This is way better than Obamacare."
 
2014-05-06 08:29:16 AM  

Without Fail: Picture Name: Rand_Paul_speakling.jpg


That face looks like Ozymandias.
 
2014-05-06 08:30:55 AM  
Wow, he is stunningly and embarassingly full of shiat.
 
2014-05-06 08:32:15 AM  

Without Fail: theknuckler_33: http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2014/may/05/rand-p a ul/rand-paul-says-40-times-more-kentuckians-have-gott/?idiot

LULZ

Nice catch!


Any "?text" after the last slashie was added by subby during the submission, not the politifact website. I made the example below.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2014/may/05/rand- pa ul/rand-paul-says-40-times-more-kentuckians-have-gott/?cromulent
 
2014-05-06 08:34:55 AM  

wxboy: If you take the smallest possible number of signups (82,795, counting just the new private plans) and multiply it by 40, you'd need more than 3.3 million cancellations to make the math work.

Just for comparison, the entire population of KY is 4.38 million.


You need to look at his words Carefully!
"For every Kentuckian that has enrolled in Obamacare".  82,795
"40 have been dropped from their coverage."     He says nothing about Kentucky here. its quite accurate that nationally 3.3 million cancellation notes have been sent out.
 
2014-05-06 08:40:33 AM  
Who the hell thought that, subby?
 
2014-05-06 08:40:43 AM  

Great_Milenko: Wow, he is stunningly and embarassingly full of shiat.


Don't forget "unrepentantly." If you're going to tell a whopper like that, opponents will pick up on any weakness indicated by cognitive dissonance.
 
2014-05-06 08:42:38 AM  

MindStalker: wxboy: If you take the smallest possible number of signups (82,795, counting just the new private plans) and multiply it by 40, you'd need more than 3.3 million cancellations to make the math work.

Just for comparison, the entire population of KY is 4.38 million.

You need to look at his words Carefully!
"For every Kentuckian that has enrolled in Obamacare".  82,795
"40 have been dropped from their coverage."     He says nothing about Kentucky here. its quite accurate that nationally 3.3 million cancellation notes have been sent out.


So the word "Kentuckian" only applies to one of the two numbers he stated? That's a rather convenient switch to make in applicable populations.
 
2014-05-06 08:43:20 AM  

MindStalker: wxboy: If you take the smallest possible number of signups (82,795, counting just the new private plans) and multiply it by 40, you'd need more than 3.3 million cancellations to make the math work.

Just for comparison, the entire population of KY is 4.38 million.

You need to look at his words Carefully!
"For every Kentuckian that has enrolled in Obamacare".  82,795
"40 have been dropped from their coverage."     He says nothing about Kentucky here. its quite accurate that nationally 3.3 million cancellation notes have been sent out.


I see your point, RAND is the best kind of correct.
 
2014-05-06 08:44:40 AM  
To be fair, he plagarized the stat from a FWD:FWD:FWD: he got from his dad.
 
2014-05-06 08:45:49 AM  
He sounds concerned.
 
2014-05-06 08:47:22 AM  
"Well I got good news, she's a real good liar
'Cause the backstage boogie set your pants on fire"   -Rand Paul
 
2014-05-06 08:47:52 AM  

Cubicle Jockey: Without Fail: theknuckler_33: http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2014/may/05/rand-p a ul/rand-paul-says-40-times-more-kentuckians-have-gott/?idiot

LULZ

Nice catch!

Any "?text" after the last slashie was added by subby during the submission, not the politifact website. I made the example below.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2014/may/05/rand- pa ul/rand-paul-says-40-times-more-kentuckians-have-gott/?cromulentrand paul


FTFY
 
2014-05-06 08:48:17 AM  

Muta: MindStalker: wxboy: If you take the smallest possible number of signups (82,795, counting just the new private plans) and multiply it by 40, you'd need more than 3.3 million cancellations to make the math work.

Just for comparison, the entire population of KY is 4.38 million.

You need to look at his words Carefully!
"For every Kentuckian that has enrolled in Obamacare".  82,795
"40 have been dropped from their coverage."     He says nothing about Kentucky here. its quite accurate that nationally 3.3 million cancellation notes have been sent out.

I see your point, RAND is the best kind of correct.


I don't think he went far enough, he should have used the global number (probably not much higher due to it being a mostly American thing), or the intergalactic number.
In Zarg, 2.5 trillion health cancellations notices have been sent out!  See what a monster Obama is!
 
2014-05-06 08:49:42 AM  
good to see him carrying on the family tradition of narrowly focusing on the moron demographic
 
2014-05-06 08:54:06 AM  

Without Fail: Picture Name: Rand_Paul


That is one creepy dude.

img.fark.net
 
2014-05-06 08:56:23 AM  

MindStalker: wxboy: If you take the smallest possible number of signups (82,795, counting just the new private plans) and multiply it by 40, you'd need more than 3.3 million cancellations to make the math work.

Just for comparison, the entire population of KY is 4.38 million.

You need to look at his words Carefully!
"For every Kentuckian that has enrolled in Obamacare".  82,795
"40 have been dropped from their coverage."     He says nothing about Kentucky here. its quite accurate that nationally 3.3 million cancellation notes have been sent out.


Oh, crap. What's the over/under that this will be their fallback position?
 
2014-05-06 08:56:48 AM  

MindStalker: wxboy: If you take the smallest possible number of signups (82,795, counting just the new private plans) and multiply it by 40, you'd need more than 3.3 million cancellations to make the math work.

Just for comparison, the entire population of KY is 4.38 million.

You need to look at his words Carefully!
"For every Kentuckian that has enrolled in Obamacare".  82,795
"40 have been dropped from their coverage."     He says nothing about Kentucky here. its quite accurate that nationally 3.3 million cancellation notes have been sent out.


My explanation: if you take the maximal measure of "enrolled in Obamacare" that PolitiFact used -- exchange + Medicaid expansion -- that's ~400,000 people right? The number of people who got cancellations (~160,000) is about 40% of that. Maybe Rand Paul doesn't know the difference between "percent" and "times".
 
2014-05-06 08:58:19 AM  

SlothB77: Yeah, even I don't believe that.


woah.
 
2014-05-06 08:59:26 AM  

Mike_1962: MindStalker: wxboy: If you take the smallest possible number of signups (82,795, counting just the new private plans) and multiply it by 40, you'd need more than 3.3 million cancellations to make the math work.

Just for comparison, the entire population of KY is 4.38 million.

You need to look at his words Carefully!
"For every Kentuckian that has enrolled in Obamacare".  82,795
"40 have been dropped from their coverage."     He says nothing about Kentucky here. its quite accurate that nationally 3.3 million cancellation notes have been sent out.

Oh, crap. What's the over/under that this will be their fallback position?


0
 
2014-05-06 09:00:12 AM  

MindStalker: wxboy: If you take the smallest possible number of signups (82,795, counting just the new private plans) and multiply it by 40, you'd need more than 3.3 million cancellations to make the math work.

Just for comparison, the entire population of KY is 4.38 million.

You need to look at his words Carefully!
"For every Kentuckian that has enrolled in Obamacare".  82,795
"40 have been dropped from their coverage."     He says nothing about Kentucky here. its quite accurate that nationally 3.3 million cancellation notes have been sent out.


For every Kentuckian that voted for Barack Obama in 2012, 89.6 voted for Mitt Romney.  So why isn't Romney president?  Answer that one libtards!
 
2014-05-06 09:00:55 AM  
There used to be a time that the likes of Rand Paul would be in a role more suited for him, like the village idiot.
 
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