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2014-05-06 03:15:34 AM  
This article should be required reading for every politician refusing to consider lowering speed limits...

No, it should be required reading for jaywalkers.
 
2014-05-06 07:06:19 AM  

doyner: This article should be required reading for every politician refusing to consider lowering speed limits...

No, it should be required reading for jaywalkers.


This. Manhattan is not a place I think of when I hear the phrase "going the speed limit".
 
2014-05-06 09:54:04 AM  
From what I understand, you're supposed to bang on the hood of the car and yell, "Hey, I'm walkin' here!!" in that situation.
 
2014-05-06 09:56:53 AM  
First thing I thought of.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c412hqucHKw

DNRTFA
 
2014-05-06 10:00:32 AM  

Crudbucket: From what I understand, you're supposed to bang on the hood of the car and yell, "Hey, I'm walkin' here!!" in that situation.


dammit, you beat me to it, but I brought the video portion
 
2014-05-06 10:00:48 AM  

doyner: This article should be required reading for every politician refusing to consider lowering speed limits...

No, it should be required reading for jaywalkers.


It said in the article they were all crossing with the light in a crosswalk but I guess TFA isn't required reading for YOU.   Try reading TFA before you make such asinine statements.
 
2014-05-06 10:01:44 AM  
To be honest, considering the density of pedestrians and motor vehicles on one small island, those fatality numbers seem quite low.
 
2014-05-06 10:07:17 AM  
Some changes, like never stepping off the curb until the light has actually changed, or looking both ways before crossing

Isn't this something everyone learns pretty much from the time they learn to walk? If you step out into the street without looking, I don't care where it is, you're a farking idiot and Darwin will get you.
 
2014-05-06 10:07:59 AM  

doyner: This article should be required reading for every politician refusing to consider lowering speed limits...


Agreed! At 30mph, approximately 400 people will die. Lets go to 25mph, so only 250 die.

(fast forward a few years).

You know, 250 people die every year from cars doing 25mph. If we go to 20mph, then we will only have 100 people die.

(fast forward a few years).

Its a shame that 100 people die every year from cars going 20mph. Its worth it to go to 15mph if it means 50 people less will die right?


see the pattern here? The problem with "zero tolerance" plans like this one that Mayor Bill "The Red" DiBlasio has devised is that you can never reach that goal, without completely removing one of the variables (either the cars go, or the people do).

cgraves67: To be honest, considering the density of pedestrians and motor vehicles on one small island, those fatality numbers seem quite low.


Its actually incredibly low, but "meh, its good enough" doesn't get you into the news very often and isnt going to win you re-election. The motive here isnt to do something. Its to look like you are doing something. Fixing budgets is hard work. Its easier to flog "feel good" initiatives and to put fear into people.
 
2014-05-06 10:08:50 AM  
"Some changes, like never stepping off the curb until the light has actually changed, or looking both ways before crossing (sometimes twice), are probably salutary."

No shiat, Sherlock.

"But you are never again sure that a vehicle that should stop will stop, and carefree pedestrian wanderings in the metropolitan area end abruptly and forever."

Folks who walk 'carefree' across a road heavily used by people operating mechanical devices weighing thousands of pounds that are well known for their ability to kill people are pretty much asking for trouble.

____

Crossing the Road For Dummies!

Step 0: NEVER assume a car is going to stop even if they have a red light. It's not about who's right, it's about who's left.
Step 1: Look both ways.
Step 2: When traffic is clear (or stationary) cross the road briskly.
Step 3: As you cross keep watch on the road to both sides for vehicles headed your way. You may need to pull your nose out of your phone to do this. It's 15 seconds max, CandyCrush can wait.
Step 4: Stay vigilant until you complete the crossing.
 
2014-05-06 10:14:07 AM  

abhorrent1: Some changes, like never stepping off the curb until the light has actually changed, or looking both ways before crossing

Isn't this something everyone learns pretty much from the time they learn to walk? If you step out into the street without looking, I don't care where it is, you're a farking idiot and Darwin will get you.


I hit a jogger once.  I felt sort of bad, but he was okay.  The thing is I stopped for a stop sign.  It was a 3 lane one way street that I was turning onto.  I looked left, right and then left again and pulled out.

The stupid farking jogger stepped into an intersection with a car waiting to turn right without making eye contact to make sure I saw him.

I gave myself 20 points for hitting him.  Funny seeing a jogger on the hood of your car.  Not my fault.  Okay, maybe I was partially at fault, but if you jump out in front of traffic you probably deserve a Darwin award.
 
2014-05-06 10:17:25 AM  
How I Met Your Fender
 
2014-05-06 10:24:48 AM  
The Evil That Lies In The Hearts Of Men: Step 3: As you cross keep watch on the road to both sides for vehicles headed your way. You may need to pull your nose out of your phone to do this. It's 15 seconds max, CandyCrush can wait.

That's crazy talk.  CandyCrush waits for no one!
 
2014-05-06 10:26:06 AM  

Cold_Sassy: doyner: This article should be required reading for every politician refusing to consider lowering speed limits...

No, it should be required reading for jaywalkers.

It said in the article they were all crossing with the light in a crosswalk but I guess TFA isn't required reading for YOU.   Try reading TFA before you make such asinine statements.


I'm guessing they are car drivers that assume the road only belongs to them.
 
2014-05-06 10:26:31 AM  
Not so CSS--four years ago I was in Manhattan and saw a woman get hit by a car outside of Madison Square Park.  She was texting and had her head down and the driver was coming around the corner and didn't see her.  She got thrown onto the sidewalk.  She had a huge gash on her head and broke her leg and that's just what I saw.  I hope to never hear anyone scream like that again.  The driver, an older guy, just sat in his car and cried.

I would also add to Crossing the Road for Dummies that if the timer on the cross light is down to five seconds that is not the time to start crossing.  I've seen that more times than I can count.
 
2014-05-06 10:32:57 AM  

LemSkroob: Agreed! At 30mph, approximately 400 people will die. Lets go to 25mph, so only 250 die.

(fast forward a few years).

You know, 250 people die every year from cars doing 25mph. If we go to 20mph, then we will only have 100 people die.

(fast forward a few years).

Its a shame that 100 people die every year from cars going 20mph. Its worth it to go to 15mph if it means 50 people less will die right?


see the pattern here? The problem with "zero tolerance" plans like this one that Mayor Bill "The Red" DiBlasio has devised is that you can never reach that goal, without completely removing one of the variables (either the cars go, or the people do).


Well, that's if you only push that one lever. If you really want to lower traffic fatalities, you can get the cops going around to areas with lots of nightclubs / bars and check drivers in that area, or just have more cops on the road in general at night, when most of these accidents happen. I don't know if it'll get it down to zero, but you can probably make a big dent.
 
2014-05-06 10:34:10 AM  

Marisyana: Not so CSS--four years ago I was in Manhattan and saw a woman get hit by a car outside of Madison Square Park.  She was texting and had her head down and the driver was coming around the corner and didn't see her.  She got thrown onto the sidewalk.  She had a huge gash on her head and broke her leg and that's just what I saw.  I hope to never hear anyone scream like that again.  The driver, an older guy, just sat in his car and cried.

I would also add to Crossing the Road for Dummies that if the timer on the cross light is down to five seconds that is not the time to start crossing.  I've seen that more times than I can count.


Sorta CSB:

Was walking across the street, light was red, I was in the crosswalk, etc, but the light changed so I picked up the pace, but there was an empty lane and someone decided that the light was green and they didn't feel like waiting. So they pulled into the empty lane a handful of cars back and gun it and whammo, crapped my pants. My first thought was "She's going to -' and everything goes black.

Waking up I tried to stand up and that proved to be a bad idea and apparently screamed lout enough that she heard me about half a mile down the road.

I learned all about sheisty insurance companies in the long run, and the state's pedestrian related laws. And for all my troubles I got a metal rod in my leg and some screws. Fun to set off metal detectors with it though.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2014-05-06 10:40:17 AM  
Only one of the traffic policies of recent mayors might have prevented this longwinded article. Speed limits, ticket cameras, jaywalking crackdowns, and visions of zeroes would not make a difference. A turning truck going at a turning speed on a green light took out a pedestrian legally using a crosswalk. Only the post-9/11 plan to ban most motor vehicles from lower Manhattan could have avoided this conflict.

Or you could strap land mines to pedestrians so if drivers hit them everybody hurts, but so far no major politician has supported that common sense countermeasure.
 
2014-05-06 11:07:37 AM  
My husband and I were crossing legally once in Boston when this guy in a red pickup truck GOT OUT OF HIS TRUCK and yelled at us, "HOW WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO KICK YOUR ASS?!" I guess he was in a hurry and didn't want to stop.

I instantly went into an incandescent rage, turned, and started for him (and he would have waxed the floor with me since I'm only 5'1" and 115 lbs.), but fortunately my husband is far less hot-headed than I am and dragged me the rest of the way across the street. We were probably lucky the guy didn't just run us over.

/don't know wtf was his problem
//css
 
2014-05-06 11:31:46 AM  

eeyore102: My husband and I were crossing legally once in Boston when this guy in a red pickup truck GOT OUT OF HIS TRUCK and yelled at us, "HOW WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO KICK YOUR ASS?!" I guess he was in a hurry and didn't want to stop.

I instantly went into an incandescent rage, turned, and started for him (and he would have waxed the floor with me since I'm only 5'1" and 115 lbs.), but fortunately my husband is far less hot-headed than I am and dragged me the rest of the way across the street. We were probably lucky the guy didn't just run us over.

/don't know wtf was his problem
//css


1)  He didn't want to stop, but he stopped to yell at you?
2)  You don't want to mess with women who are only 5'1"  They may look small and weak, but they can be ferocious.
3)  I had a 3rd observation or point or something, but I forgot it
 
2014-05-06 11:39:03 AM  

LemSkroob: doyner: This article should be required reading for every politician refusing to consider lowering speed limits...

Agreed! At 30mph, approximately 400 people will die. Lets go to 25mph, so only 250 die.

(fast forward a few years).

You know, 250 people die every year from cars doing 25mph. If we go to 20mph, then we will only have 100 people die.

(fast forward a few years).

Its a shame that 100 people die every year from cars going 20mph. Its worth it to go to 15mph if it means 50 people less will die right?


see the pattern here? The problem with "zero tolerance" plans like this one that Mayor Bill "The Red" DiBlasio has devised is that you can never reach that goal, without completely removing one of the variables (either the cars go, or the people do).

cgraves67: To be honest, considering the density of pedestrians and motor vehicles on one small island, those fatality numbers seem quite low.

Its actually incredibly low, but "meh, its good enough" doesn't get you into the news very often and isnt going to win you re-election. The motive here isnt to do something. Its to look like you are doing something. Fixing budgets is hard work. Its easier to flog "feel good" initiatives and to put fear into people.


Well, if we can't get to zero, why bother?

/Death race 2014 anyone?
 
2014-05-06 12:52:00 PM  
I remember the first time I was hit in NY- walking back to work after making a delivery. It was completely gridlocked and this guy nudged forward, despite me being right there, and him blocking the intersection. He runs out of the car and says he didn't see me.

Now I'm back in Houston and it's far worse. In the past 3 years I've ended up on the hood of some guys car (and he didn't believe insurance companies needed to be involved, and so sped off- HPD didn't respond); had a laptop broken in my bag from being swiped by an SUV at high speed on a residential street while crossing (he stopped long enough to make sure I was alive- HPD didn't respond, even though I had his plate, and a photo); an Asian female ignoring the 4 way stop rolls over my shoes- to be fair, I was just turning my head from one direction to the other (generally we expect cars to stop at stop signs); similar to that, walking home- a car I'm watching stops then goes, but a guy on a bicycle slams into me- totally startled me- he scrambles up back on his bike, waves "sorry", and rushes home, which happens to be 3 doors down from me on the other side of the street (HPD didn't show up, photos taken of him recovering, and my bruising).

I remember one time I wasn't actually hit: this guy at the same intersection as Bike-Ass decides to turn into my lane; it's sunset, and he doesn't signal or look. I miss being slammed by a BMW moving at high speed by jumping and rolling out of the way. I scream/flip the guy off, and keep walking (HPD would not show up, as noted). What does the guy do? He's so angry that he almost killed me that he chases me with his car, pulls over, and starts coming after me. I call HPD now, and 2 cars do show up. That's serious road rage- you're so pissed at nearly killing someone that you want to beat the victim.

But then in my neighborhood we've had 3 pedestrian deaths in the past year (I live in the Museum District), and last year the HPD Police hits a pedestrian sending him to the hospital- and he even acknowledged it was during the pedestrians time to cross, signal and all. He gets suspended (quote fingers) for one day.

People biatch about bikes all the time, fark that- it's all you people in too big a hurry driving your cars that are the danger. Bikes are assholes, too, to be sure, and I hate them driving on sidewalks (which is a violation of Texas Transportation Code, even police bikes), but you car drivers that live in major cities- take the farking bus or train (or if you're in Houston- trolley), save some gas, save a farking life. You're all impatient assholes.
 
2014-05-06 12:53:51 PM  
Most people think taxis are the scariest thing in Manhattan, but in my experience, it's delivery vans. Law of superior tonnage, and they seem to follow no laws at all in terms of where they drive or park (the sidewalk is the delivery truck's natural habitat). I was driving a 15-pax van once in Manhattan and put a cab right into the curb when he tried to cut me off from the right, so the taxi drivers know what's up.
 
2014-05-06 12:58:05 PM  

gfid: eeyore102: My husband and I were crossing legally once in Boston when this guy in a red pickup truck GOT OUT OF HIS TRUCK and yelled at us, "HOW WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO KICK YOUR ASS?!" I guess he was in a hurry and didn't want to stop.

I instantly went into an incandescent rage, turned, and started for him (and he would have waxed the floor with me since I'm only 5'1" and 115 lbs.), but fortunately my husband is far less hot-headed than I am and dragged me the rest of the way across the street. We were probably lucky the guy didn't just run us over.

/don't know wtf was his problem
//css

1)  He didn't want to stop, but he stopped to yell at you?
2)  You don't want to mess with women who are only 5'1"  They may look small and weak, but they can be ferocious.
3)  I had a 3rd observation or point or something, but I forgot it


Regarding your item #1, I don't know, it didn't make a hell of a lot of sense to me either. I mean, he was willing to take the time to physically get out of his truck, surely stopping to throw down in the street would take a lot longer than, I don't know, waiting for us to cross? It's not like we walk that slowly.
 
2014-05-06 01:33:11 PM  

gfid: abhorrent1: Some changes, like never stepping off the curb until the light has actually changed, or looking both ways before crossing

Isn't this something everyone learns pretty much from the time they learn to walk? If you step out into the street without looking, I don't care where it is, you're a farking idiot and Darwin will get you.

I hit a jogger once.  I felt sort of bad, but he was okay.  The thing is I stopped for a stop sign.  It was a 3 lane one way street that I was turning onto.  I looked left, right and then left again and pulled out.

The stupid farking jogger stepped into an intersection with a car waiting to turn right without making eye contact to make sure I saw him.

I gave myself 20 points for hitting him.  Funny seeing a jogger on the hood of your car.  Not my fault.  Okay, maybe I was partially at fault, but if you jump out in front of traffic you probably deserve a Darwin award.


So, you were making a turn?  Sounds like it was entirely your fault.  Although with out knowing the specifics of that intersection I can't say for sure.  But generally speaking pedestrians get walk lights going in the same direction of traffic.
 
2014-05-06 02:45:43 PM  
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2014-05-06 05:12:13 PM  
ZAZ: ...Or you could strap land mines to pedestrians so if drivers hit them everybody hurts, but so far no major politician has supported that common sense countermeasure.

Time to run for office, ZAZ. I'd vote for this!
 
2014-05-06 11:48:03 PM  
Having been hit by a car crossing a street in NYC myself, I'm NOT getting a kick out of this...

Seriously, the car hit both me and a friend, though not badly, thank goodness. Idiot did try to stop, but not to swerve away, even though the rest of the street was totally empty and 6 inches would have spared us.

She ended up with a bruised ankle, mostly.

I somehow had the car stop DIRECTLY on top of both my feet (I'd realized it was coming and stopped as short as I could).... and sit there for 30 seconds or so until my friends and I managed to make it clear to the driver that they needed to back the fark up. And somehow didn't even get a bruise. Not in steel-toed boots either, just cheap-o Doc Martin knockoffs, which is probably a good thing, as the back edge of the steel might well have cut off my toes under that kinda weight. Well, ok, no bruises on my feet, I got one on my butt from falling down because a car on your toes will fark your balance right up. But considering I was trapped under a car, I'm really ok with that.

I mean, I screamed a lot, while the car was parked ON MY FEET, but less because it hurt (not that it didn't, but a lot less than you'd expect) than because my brain went, "A car is on my feet. I can't move them. I'm sitting down where the driver can't see me and can't get up. I think I might be supposed to scream. Do I want to scream?" And this small logical bit that apparently helpfully turns on in emergencies goes "If you scream, the driver might hear you and realize you are still trapped. Let's do that."

None of us get how my feet survived intact. Apparently I have super(feet)powers?

/actually kind of a css
 
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