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(WTOP)   Virginians: OMG WHY IS ROUTE 66 SO CROWDED WHY DOESN'T SOMEBODY DO SOMETHING?? Virginia: OK, we hear you. We're starting a major construction project to widen the highway. Virginians: OMG WHY IS THE 66 CONSTRUCTION SO LOUD??   (wtop.com) divider line 68
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2014-05-06 06:36:37 AM

It's Me Bender: Yeah, the problem is that they are widening 66 between exits 40 and 43, and the rushour traffic doesn't get really awful until a little further east, where it's already 4 lanes.


Yeah. As someone who JUST drive 66 into work, I agree. Thanks VDOT for expanding the exact stretch of road that hardly needs help.

DC (DC/MD/VA) area has been on the books for worst or almost worst traffic in the country for years. Be great to have someone actually address that.
 
2014-05-06 06:39:50 AM

Joe USer: Yes and no. Bottlenecks are bad if you have enough traffic.


Needing to use I-95 though CT regularly (And I think they MAY be adding a lane up her in Norwalk... God forbid we know what the hell they are doing and why so many roads are closed)  bottlenecks are awful and regular traffic jams are a nightmare.
 
2014-05-06 06:55:16 AM

maxximillian: I drove 66 a lot and while I understand the need to widen it I will say that if I lived right next to the interstate and couldn't get sleep for a few days because of the noise I'd be biatching too.


ear plugs. you're welcome.
 
2014-05-06 07:23:38 AM

Twist2005


There is nothing quite like merging onto that road at Delaplane while hauling a horse trailer. The merge lane is pretty short and it's hard to get up to speed without throwing the horses around.


You could tell the horses to get out and run behind the trailer while you accelerate, then they can jump back in.
 
2014-05-06 08:43:08 AM
Last fall they were repaving the major street that runs by my subdivision, its a 4 lane divided highway with limited surface level crossings. They closed off all cross traffic on my turn in street, and the next one, but put the sign up saying "no left turns" after a left turn that would have gotten me into my neighborhood. I had to drive an extra 8 miles and almost 20 minutes to loop around because they did a shiatty job of marking their construction and blocked 2 well used roads.

//Doesn't help that Virginia's idea of smart growth was allowing housing to be built facing existing country roads, rather than building subdivisions that backed up to them. Now they can't widen any streets to try and alleviate congestion on the interstate, there are no sewers, curbs, streetlights or sidewalks for the most part. Then even the slightest amount of snow causes the roads to become impassable, or because they are windy and hilly you get the unskilled VA driver, I know the unskilled was unnecessary, who comes to a complete stop any time the road bends or crests a hill and never makes it above 20 on a 35 mph road.
 
2014-05-06 08:52:54 AM

HotIgneous Intruder: toadist: Yeah,  milling and loud construction all night for several nights,   I'd be cranky too.

And it will go on for 6 more weeks.   Legit biatch right there.

It's a three-mile stretch of road. The milling and construction process moves along a bit more each night, so after a while it will be out of disturbance range and the precious suburban bourgeois can go back to screwing each other's wives and daughters and husbands and sons and brothers and surfing their porn in peace.

/Drove 66 every day for a year while commuting between Culpeper and Springfield.
//Why 66? because it beats driving I-95 with a stick


Sir, I tip my hat to you. You surely get flashbacks while driving 29N out of Charlottesville where it narrows from 6 lanes to 2. Been there, done that during afternoon rush hour.


/I definitely love that Asian market just past the 250/29 overpass (on the right if one is headed south on 29)
//Representing Fredericksburg/the 540
 
2014-05-06 08:56:44 AM

Man On Pink Corner: Is this where some hipster with no driver's license claims that widening highways actually harms traffic flow, and then disappears from the thread when I point out that if this counterintuitive notion is indeed true, then we should be able to speed up traffic by closing existing lanes?



Actually, the construction of road always lags behind construction of homes/businesses. Look at Rt. 17 in Stafford County for a prime example of this.
 
2014-05-06 09:05:57 AM

YouWinAgainGravity: hausman007: solve4x: Why does highway 28 intersect with I-66 at a stoplight is an equally important question about 10,000 Virginians a day would like solved.

Because, if there is a way to do something, Virginia chooses the most ass backwards way and then claims it's better.

absolutely. i used to live in the area by the 28/66 junction. quite possibly the worst decisions ever for stoplights, merge lanes, and condensing down lanes. that entire area has a bunch of construction that seems like it's just been going on *forever*. the virginia DOT is quite possibly one of the most incompetent organizations in the country.

i've often suggested virginia should change their state motto from "Virginia is for Lovers" to "ROAD WORK AHEAD. RIGHT LANE CLOSED. EXPECT DELAYS"


Nah that's Pennsylvania.

But Virginia is in the running.
 
2014-05-06 10:07:27 AM
Let's just throw lanes at it and move the bottlenecks around while ignoring the fact that if it's that jammed up, the road network's going to be overcapacity until you just pave over the entire city and remove all the obstacles...but then where would anybody live or work?

At some point, you just need higher capacity vehicles involved.  And a lot of them, running on routes and schedules people actually want to use.  New York figured this out over a century ago.
 
2014-05-06 10:09:30 AM

Aarontology: Then they biatched the the towns and state were focusing on getting major highways and roads cleared first so that emergency vehicles couldd get around instead of their little side streets and suburb roads.


I'm always surprised that east coast folks think it's normal for residential streets to get plowed.  Most places, the tertiary roads may be unplowed in the winter, and the residential streets are  definitely unplowed, with the exception of when something gets spot plowed to facilitate emergency response.
 
2014-05-06 10:15:43 AM

ImpendingCynic: Solid State Vittles: At the risk of sounding nit-picky, Route 66 runs from Chicago to Los Angeles.
At the risk of sounding nit-pickier, it also runs from Los Angeles to Chicago.


At the risk of actually having some idea what he's talking about, it runs from Santa Monica (the last town west of LA on 66) to Chicago.  Drove from the pier to Kellyville, Oklahoma on it once in one single trip, and I've been on it all the way to a town or two east of Joplin if you consider cumulative experience.
 
2014-05-06 10:16:11 AM

DarkVader: ImpendingCynic: Solid State Vittles: At the risk of sounding nit-picky, Route 66 runs from Chicago to Los Angeles.
At the risk of sounding nit-pickier, it also runs from Los Angeles to Chicago.

At the risk of sounding even nit-pickier, it doesn't do either.

It was de-mapped years ago.  A big chunk of it is under I-40.  There are only short sections of historic 66 left.


There are a good deal more than short sections. Heck, I drove about 150 miles on it last year.

All of it in Oklahoma, if that counts.
 
2014-05-06 11:25:05 AM

Rueened: Man On Pink Corner: Is this where some hipster with no driver's license claims that widening highways actually harms traffic flow, and then disappears from the thread when I point out that if this counterintuitive notion is indeed true, then we should be able to speed up traffic by closing existing lanes?

Only in your imagination, but keep thinking that anyway if it makes you feel better.


that guy just showed up a little late is all. probably traffic.
 
2014-05-06 11:32:35 AM

Misconduc: Now we have a ordnance drafted that CSX can't blow their whistle through downtown, I wish I can bet how long this will last until the first dumbass rolls through a crossing while texting because "they didnt hear the train".  A "quiet zoning" law, I wonder if I can sue someones dead crotch fruit for ignoring the CSX crossing and getting killed because they didn't hear a "whistle tip" go off?


My town has also adopted a "no horn zone" for trains.  However, every rail crossing in the zone had to have gates with lights installed before it was allowed.

Does your town have the same requirement?
 
2014-05-06 11:34:34 AM

Confoundit: Or maybe it's 1 group of people (commuters passing through the area) complaining about traffic and a 2nd group of people (residents) complaining that the construction is ruining their sleep.

bingethinker:
Bloody NIMBYs.

Really?  Because nowhere in the article does anyone say that construction should be halted or rescheduled so that they wouldn't be making so much noise in the middle of the night.

It's possible to accept the necessity of what they're doing and still be upset that someone is using a jackhammer outside your window in the middle of the farking night.


quit being sensible
 
2014-05-06 11:35:33 AM

Dinjiin: My town has also adopted a "no horn zone" for trains.  However, every rail crossing in the zone had to have gates with lights installed before it was allowed.

Does your town have the same requirement?


It's not a town requirement, it's a Federal Railroad Administration requirement.  Even then, no-horn zones are discouraged in favor of outright removing at-grade crossings by either grade-seperating them (ie, build a bridge or tunnel) or just removing the crossing (making two dead-ends on either side of the tracks).
 
2014-05-06 03:21:42 PM

HotIgneous Intruder: /Drove 66 every day for a year while commuting between Culpeper and Springfield.
//Why 66? because it beats driving I-95 with a stick.


one of the reasons I'm glad our data center is so far out of the city... Culpeper to just before Gainesville means I don't mess with any road bigger than 29
 
2014-05-07 08:39:55 AM

Gyrfalcon: When November came along, the referendum was soundly....defeated because nobody but nobody wanted to pay even a miniscule amount of new taxes for more ANYTHING. Why can't PD just spend less money and still protect us from teh bad guize?


California (lived here 25 years) is notorious for that, although other states are almost as bad.
People want clean air, nice parks, better police and fire protection, homeless off the streets, better public transit, more prisons bla bla bla bla... but they expect for all these new things to be paid for with current taxes. It's as if they take the term "public servant" as literally as possible.
 
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