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(WTOP)   Virginians: OMG WHY IS ROUTE 66 SO CROWDED WHY DOESN'T SOMEBODY DO SOMETHING?? Virginia: OK, we hear you. We're starting a major construction project to widen the highway. Virginians: OMG WHY IS THE 66 CONSTRUCTION SO LOUD??   (wtop.com) divider line 68
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2014-05-05 07:54:04 PM  
At the risk of sounding nit-picky, Route 66 runs from Chicago to Los Angeles.  It's where you get your kicks and shiat.
 
2014-05-05 08:39:37 PM  
This reminds me of a cool story bro:

I was living in Connecticut when Nemo hit. There was four feet of snow covering the entire state, and CT has something like 25000 miles of road.

People were biatching and moaning how all of it wasn't fully plowed within 24 hours. Then they biatched the the towns and state were focusing on getting major highways and roads cleared first so that emergency vehicles couldd get around instead of their little side streets and suburb roads.

They biatched and moaned that there weren't enough plows to get it all done that quickly and that plot crews stopped for the night once the blizzard had reduced visibility to mere inches.

Then months later when the state and towns released how much it had cost to clear the roads, they biatched about that too.

Lesson: People are whiny, impatient, entitled, cheap idiots.
 
2014-05-05 09:32:34 PM  
They live next to a major heavy freight and traffic route and they complain about the noise?

/It has to be Nova.
 
2014-05-05 09:33:40 PM  
Maybe it's all about Agenda 21?  Since trying to make things better is evil. According to the paranoids.
 
2014-05-05 09:33:54 PM  
I drove 66 a lot and while I understand the need to widen it I will say that if I lived right next to the interstate and couldn't get sleep for a few days because of the noise I'd be biatching too.
 
2014-05-05 09:37:14 PM  
Yeah, the problem is that they are widening 66 between exits 40 and 43, and the rushour traffic doesn't get really awful until a little further east, where it's already 4 lanes.
 
2014-05-05 09:43:10 PM  
Yeah,  milling and loud construction all night for several nights,   I'd be cranky too.

And it will go on for 6 more weeks.   Legit biatch right there.
 
2014-05-05 09:43:38 PM  

It's Me Bender: Yeah, the problem is that they are widening 66 between exits 40 and 43, and the rushour traffic doesn't get really awful until a little further east, where it's already 4 lanes.


Yeah, they need to add four extra lanes inside the Beltway and build a new friggin' bridge to get in the city.
 
2014-05-05 09:44:42 PM  
FTA:  She says her neighbors "are cranky as all get out.

Why do I only understand the first 2/3 of that sentence?
 
2014-05-05 09:45:36 PM  
Big diff between a US Route and an Interstate there subs.
 
2014-05-05 09:48:39 PM  
Lesson 1. People suck. If you try to do nice things for them; they'll still biatch and moan.
 
2014-05-05 09:50:34 PM  

Lsherm: Yeah, they need to add four extra lanes inside the Beltway and build a new friggin' bridge to get in the city.


Well personally I don't give a shiat as long as they can speed things up between exits 45 and 55.
 
2014-05-05 09:51:22 PM  

toadist: Yeah,  milling and loud construction all night for several nights,   I'd be cranky too.

And it will go on for 6 more weeks.   Legit biatch right there.


It's a three-mile stretch of road. The milling and construction process moves along a bit more each night, so after a while it will be out of disturbance range and the precious suburban bourgeois can go back to screwing each other's wives and daughters and husbands and sons and brothers and surfing their porn in peace.

/Drove 66 every day for a year while commuting between Culpeper and Springfield.
//Why 66? because it beats driving I-95 with a stick.
 
2014-05-05 09:53:09 PM  
First world problems.

Whiny biatches.
 
2014-05-05 09:54:57 PM  
On my way to Manassas I glide as softly as a cloud.
 
2014-05-05 09:55:14 PM  

Solid State Vittles: At the risk of sounding nit-picky, Route 66 runs from Chicago to Los Angeles.  It's where you get your kicks and shiat.


I drove down that road in a convertible with a hot German chick who was hostel-hopping around the West.  Good times.
 
2014-05-05 09:56:15 PM  
Bloody NIMBYs.
 
2014-05-05 09:57:51 PM  

Solid State Vittles: At the risk of sounding nit-picky, Route 66 runs from Chicago to Los Angeles.  It's where you get your kicks and shiat.


Road is actually I-66, an ugly stretch of road with uglier drivers, a bunch bad merging brake-tappers. Still preferable to I-95 on most days though.
 
2014-05-05 09:58:03 PM  

Fano: On my way to Manassas I glide as softly as a cloud.


Tis a good smooth stretch of road, indeed.
 
2014-05-05 10:05:05 PM  

Capo Del Bandito: First world problems.

Whiny biatches.


No kidding, few years ago CSX wanted to up the freight trains through my area from 8 to 32 a day. Everyone in the area thought "YAY! MORE YOBS!". Until CSX only hired around 150 workers, now its "ZOMG THE NOISE!!! CANT SLEEP!".

Now we have a ordnance drafted that CSX can't blow their whistle through downtown, I wish I can bet how long this will last until the first dumbass rolls through a crossing while texting because "they didnt hear the train".
A "quiet zoning" law, I wonder if I can sue someones dead crotch fruit for ignoring the CSX crossing and getting killed because they didn't hear a "whistle tip" go off?
 
2014-05-05 10:09:43 PM  
Protip: Build Homes next to workplaces!
 
2014-05-05 10:13:06 PM  
Is this where some hipster with no driver's license claims that widening highways actually harms traffic flow, and then disappears from the thread when I point out that if this counterintuitive notion is indeed true, then we should be able to speed up traffic by closing existing lanes?
 
2014-05-05 10:13:40 PM  

Misconduc: Capo Del Bandito: First world problems.

Whiny biatches.

No kidding, few years ago CSX wanted to up the freight trains through my area from 8 to 32 a day. Everyone in the area thought "YAY! MORE YOBS!". Until CSX only hired around 150 workers, now its "ZOMG THE NOISE!!! CANT SLEEP!".

Now we have a ordnance drafted that CSX can't blow their whistle through downtown, I wish I can bet how long this will last until the first dumbass rolls through a crossing while texting because "they didnt hear the train".
A "quiet zoning" law, I wonder if I can sue someones dead crotch fruit for ignoring the CSX crossing and getting killed because they didn't hear a "whistle tip" go off?


Completely agrees....

i5.photobucket.com
 
2014-05-05 10:37:33 PM  
Who bought their McMansion with an interstate in their backyard?
 
2014-05-05 10:39:34 PM  

Man On Pink Corner: Is this where some hipster with no driver's license claims that widening highways actually harms traffic flow, and then disappears from the thread when I point out that if this counterintuitive notion is indeed true, then we should be able to speed up traffic by closing existing lanes?


Yes and no. Bottlenecks are bad if you have enough traffic.
 
2014-05-05 10:45:46 PM  
There is nothing quite like merging onto that road at Delaplane while hauling a horse trailer. The merge lane is pretty short and it's hard to get up to speed without throwing the horses around.
 
2014-05-05 10:48:49 PM  

Solid State Vittles: At the risk of sounding nit-picky, Route 66 runs from Chicago to Los Angeles.

At the risk of sounding nit-pickier, it also runs from Los Angeles to Chicago.
 
2014-05-05 10:56:35 PM  
Why does highway 28 intersect with I-66 at a stoplight is an equally important question about 10,000 Virginians a day would like solved.
 
2014-05-05 11:03:29 PM  
As a side note they are doing some work on the turn lanes from 28 to 66. They aren't doing anything about the fact that it's a double turn lane that almost immediately necks down to 1 lane and the has a merge, let alone turning it into a cloverleaf.
 
2014-05-05 11:04:33 PM  

solve4x: Why does highway 28 intersect with I-66 at a stoplight is an equally important question about 10,000 Virginians a day would like solved.


Because, if there is a way to do something, Virginia chooses the most ass backwards way and then claims it's better.
 
2014-05-05 11:16:09 PM  

hausman007: solve4x: Why does highway 28 intersect with I-66 at a stoplight is an equally important question about 10,000 Virginians a day would like solved.

Because, if there is a way to do something, Virginia chooses the most ass backwards way and then claims it's better.


absolutely. i used to live in the area by the 28/66 junction. quite possibly the worst decisions ever for stoplights, merge lanes, and condensing down lanes. that entire area has a bunch of construction that seems like it's just been going on *forever*. the virginia DOT is quite possibly one of the most incompetent organizations in the country.

i've often suggested virginia should change their state motto from "Virginia is for Lovers" to "ROAD WORK AHEAD. RIGHT LANE CLOSED. EXPECT DELAYS"
 
2014-05-05 11:23:55 PM  
Time goes by, time brings changes, you change, too
Nothing comes that you can't handle, so on you go
Never see it coming, the world caves in on you
On your town
Nothing you can do.

Main street isn't main street anymore
Lights don't shine as brightly as they shone before
Tell the truth, lights don't shine at all
In our town
 
2014-05-05 11:28:46 PM  
People want sh*t but don't want it A. anywhere near them B. where it might in any way inconvenience them C. to cost any money at all D. all of the above.

Suck it up, buttercup.
 
2014-05-05 11:29:01 PM  
The worst thing about America is that the government listens to everyone's complaints with the utmost seriousness.
 
2014-05-05 11:57:18 PM  

Lsherm: It's Me Bender: Yeah, the problem is that they are widening 66 between exits 40 and 43, and the rushour traffic doesn't get really awful until a little further east, where it's already 4 lanes.

Yeah, they need to add four extra lanes inside the Beltway and build a new friggin' bridge to get in the city.


Shhh! Saying something like that'd get you voted out of office in Falls Church/Arlington.  Take the  trolleymetro.
 
2014-05-06 12:30:39 AM  
Or maybe it's 1 group of people (commuters passing through the area) complaining about traffic and a 2nd group of people (residents) complaining that the construction is ruining their sleep.

bingethinker:
Bloody NIMBYs.

Really?  Because nowhere in the article does anyone say that construction should be halted or rescheduled so that they wouldn't be making so much noise in the middle of the night.

It's possible to accept the necessity of what they're doing and still be upset that someone is using a jackhammer outside your window in the middle of the farking night.
 
2014-05-06 12:31:47 AM  

ImpendingCynic: Solid State Vittles: At the risk of sounding nit-picky, Route 66 runs from Chicago to Los Angeles.
At the risk of sounding nit-pickier, it also runs from Los Angeles to Chicago.


At the risk of sounding even nit-pickier, it doesn't do either.

It was de-mapped years ago.  A big chunk of it is under I-40.  There are only short sections of historic 66 left.
 
2014-05-06 12:39:22 AM  

rewind2846: People want sh*t but don't want it A. anywhere near them B. where it might in any way inconvenience them C. to cost any money at all D. all of the above.

Suck it up, buttercup.


All of these. And E. as fast as humanly possible.

Still my favorite story: Immediately after the L.A. riots, people of all colors and economic levels were SCREAMING at the lack of police response, lack of fire response, etc. So the new chief, Willie Williams, and the city council put a referendum on the November ballot (the riots were in March) for a small raise in sales tax that was specifically earmarked to hire, train and equip 1000 new police officers for LAPD. Joy! Cheering! Thank god we'll be safe!

When November came along, the referendum was soundly....defeated because nobody but nobody wanted to pay even a miniscule amount of new taxes for more ANYTHING. Why can't PD just spend less money and still protect us from teh bad guize?

So every time anything bad comes along and anyone complains about lack of police response--well, they had their chance. But we don't want to pay money...
 
2014-05-06 12:41:29 AM  

Solid State Vittles: At the risk of sounding nit-picky, Route 66 runs from Chicago to Los Angeles.  It's where you get your kicks and shiat.


Route 60 was supposed to run from Virginia Beach, VA to L.A. (routes ending in "0" are coast-to-coast, border-to-border). The western half of Route 60 was taken for Route 66 because a Chicago guy was in charge of the program.
 
2014-05-06 12:55:29 AM  
Eh, most people just sort of deal with the noise and try to ignore it.  But as far as Virginia not making a lot of sense when it comes to decisions, it's sort of par for the course here.

Most recently we had a huge bike race the other weekend. Richmond city counsel had about a year to prepare for it and given that they wanted to get the bigger, more important race the following year, you'd think that they'd have gone out of their way to make the race as grand as possible while trying to avoid causing problems with businesses and people who live/work in the area.

Nope. They blocked off the main road through the city, which caused a lot of businesses to have to close early or just not open during the race because  nobody could actually get into their workplace.It was either that the roads were closed off too early for most to get into work (like 3am early) or because there were no available parking spaces because Richmond gave little to no thought about parking. There were actually people who lived in the area that couldn't get home because bike race viewers were parking in every single spot they could find. And no, RCC didn't think to hire shuttles or anything else that would enable people to park further away and give others a higher chance of actually being able to get into their own homes. They either had to come back long after others had gone (about 8-9 pm at the earliest) or go stay with someone else.That doesn't even begin to describe the traffic, which was horrendous. Of course the city's reaction to anyone that complained was to tell them that they "should have known" and that they could have taken a vacation day or telecommuted from home. (rolls eyes)

So yeah... this is actually kind of average for the "makes no sense" decisions Virginia makes.
 
2014-05-06 01:03:12 AM  

Gyrfalcon: rewind2846: People want sh*t but don't want it A. anywhere near them B. where it might in any way inconvenience them C. to cost any money at all D. all of the above.

Suck it up, buttercup.

All of these. And E. as fast as humanly possible.

Still my favorite story: Immediately after the L.A. riots, people of all colors and economic levels were SCREAMING at the lack of police response, lack of fire response, etc. So the new chief, Willie Williams, and the city council put a referendum on the November ballot (the riots were in March) for a small raise in sales tax that was specifically earmarked to hire, train and equip 1000 new police officers for LAPD. Joy! Cheering! Thank god we'll be safe!

When November came along, the referendum was soundly....defeated because nobody but nobody wanted to pay even a miniscule amount of new taxes for more ANYTHING. Why can't PD just spend less money and still protect us from teh bad guize?

So every time anything bad comes along and anyone complains about lack of police response--well, they had their chance. But we don't want to pay money...


LAPD?  NOBODY wants 1000 more of them on the street.

Now, if they start by firing the whole department, from the chief on down, and hiring all new cops, they might be able to put together something useful.
 
2014-05-06 01:45:48 AM  

Gyrfalcon: rewind2846: People want sh*t but don't want it A. anywhere near them B. where it might in any way inconvenience them C. to cost any money at all D. all of the above.

Suck it up, buttercup.

All of these. And E. as fast as humanly possible. Right farking now.


FTFY.
 
2014-05-06 01:56:33 AM  
Having gone door-to-door with anti-66 petitions in the 70s, I'm getting a kick...

/commuter freeways always fill to the choking point
//not a hipster, just miss Bon Air park
 
2014-05-06 02:51:16 AM  

Man On Pink Corner: Is this where some hipster with no driver's license claims that widening highways actually harms traffic flow, and then disappears from the thread when I point out that if this counterintuitive notion is indeed true, then we should be able to speed up traffic by closing existing lanes?


Only in your imagination, but keep thinking that anyway if it makes you feel better.
 
2014-05-06 02:51:55 AM  
Oh try this one, then.

So as some of you know, I live on an island.  This particular island has a double mountain range in the middle, which divides the island into the wet side (the "windward side", as that's the side that the wind, and therefore rain, usually come from) and the dry side (the "leeward side", from the nautical term of being in the lee of the mountains-the mountains block the wind and therefore the rain).  Smack in the middle is the overdeveloped urban and suburban core to the south and/or what's left of our Agriculture to the North, where, of course, there isn't sheer mountain range.

We have two active landfills.  Naturally, they are both on the LEEWARD side.  One specializes in household waste, the other in construction and industrial waste.  There are several older, capped, and completely deactivated landfills on the windward side.

Now, that household waste landfill was reaching capacity several YEARS ago, so the powers that be announced that they had to begin the search for where to put a new landfill.

There are two big reasons why one does NOT put a modern landfill on the windward side.

1.  Politics.  Yes, the rich people bought all the lushly foliaged "Hawaiian paradise" on the rainy windward side, and stuck the poor people out in the heat on the leeward side.  Obviously, you don't put it near any dense population centers, either.  Putting it next to something else that's already nasty, however, is a good idea-try keeping all your nasty crap in one place. Or as the lawyers called that, "proximity to identified disamenities".
2.  Good old fashioned science.  You want to be able to prevent leachate in your landfill from picking up rainwater and running away from you?  Put it where the rain is not.  Also, where is the aquifer, which you really don't want to plant a landfill on top of?  Windward side.  Federally protected wetlands?  Duh, the wet, windward side.    Also, we have a waste-to-energy power plant on the leeward side nowadays, and we're trying to maximize use of it, but it generates tons of ash because random garbage doesn't really burn cleanly...ash that has to be trucked to the landfill.  You really want to make those truck drivers hump it clear across the island, in the worst traffic in America?  I think not.
 Holy shiatstorm.  When the geologist's recommendations were, natually, mostly tilted towards the leeward side or the north shore, everybody that lived there announced that it must, MUST all be about number one.  The leeward side is where the blue collar poors live, after all, and the north shore is where the 'I'm country and proud of it' people live.  That the rich people certainly aren't going to allow it near them, so it's the poors that are going to get stuck again.


/right now the folks that run that landfill are in some major trouble on the account that the whole 'go where the rain is not' bit suddenly failed to work for about a month in 2011, the resulting total surprise deluge overwhelming the runoff controls...also, it's still in operations when it was supposed to be "closed" in 2012...
//reading the original report, I see that somebody proposed "inside Diamond Head crater" as a site.  I think he just wanted to see his boss blow coffee out his nose when it was spotted.
 
2014-05-06 02:59:06 AM  
Nobody? Really?
i.imgur.com
 
2014-05-06 03:01:38 AM  

YouWinAgainGravity: hausman007: solve4x: Why does highway 28 intersect with I-66 at a stoplight is an equally important question about 10,000 Virginians a day would like solved.

Because, if there is a way to do something, Virginia chooses the most ass backwards way and then claims it's better.

absolutely. i used to live in the area by the 28/66 junction. quite possibly the worst decisions ever for stoplights, merge lanes, and condensing down lanes. that entire area has a bunch of construction that seems like it's just been going on *forever*. the virginia DOT is quite possibly one of the most incompetent organizations in the country.

i've often suggested virginia should change their state motto from "Virginia is for Lovers" to "ROAD WORK AHEAD. RIGHT LANE CLOSED. EXPECT DELAYS"


Admittedly, NoVA has exploded in the span of a few decades like LA did before and after WW2. It's gone from cow pasture and hillbilly towns a stone's throw from the capitol to endless seas of suburban concrete as far as the eye can see; I wouldn't be surprised if it keeps expanding in the coming decades, too. Greater LA hit its freeway-busting limit at about 5,000 sq miles, urban NoVA is only at most 2,000 sq miles, so it has a ways to go. (Though including the DC-Baltimore corridor might change that.)
 
2014-05-06 03:03:24 AM  
I used to live overlooking 395 leading into DC, If I was standing next to you on my balcony, we would still have to yell to hear each other.  They paved 395 at one point and it was EASIER to sleep through that then it was to sleep through the police/fire sirens and races (you can actually make it to or above the speed limit on 395 late at night!) that happened almost every night.  The people complaining about the noise need to STFU and deal with the couple of days of it.  I wonder if they also complain about Rolling Thunder?

I don't miss living inside the Beltway or even in NoVa at all.
 
2014-05-06 03:12:05 AM  

DarkVader: LAPD? NOBODY wants 1000 more of them on the street.

Now, if they start by firing the whole department, from the chief on down, and hiring all new cops, they might be able to put together something useful.


They did then, that was what made it so hysterical--doubly so. And the reason for not passing the referendum wasn't "We don't need more cops" it was pure and simple "We don't want to pay for them." And your proposition would fail for the same reason. Not because "We need better cops" but because "What?!? PAY for them?! You must be mad!!"

They're going through the same thing now with the problems with City and County fire. The response time for 911 is a mess, because City Fire can't respond to a county call and vice-versa; but because of the way LA is laid out, a County fire dept could be right across the street from a house burning down in a City fire district. People are screaming for a fix--but this is not new. It's been a known issue for, well, at least since the L.A. Riots, when LAPD couldn't escort LAFD to fires because they weren't on the same radio frequency and LASD was on a different frequency from both of them. And it hasn't gotten fixed because....nobody wants to pay for it to get done.
 
2014-05-06 06:27:12 AM  
Looking at Google Earth, and checking out the area in 1989, I think I see the problem...

"But we didn't need the road to be that wide back then, there weren't all these houses right next to the highway."

/Was it HOV-only during rush hours in 1989?
 
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