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2014-05-06 05:12:28 AM

gfid: fluffy2097: So mozilla is petitioning the former ceos of verizon and comcast, to not work in the interests of verizon and comcast.

lol. Good luck with that.

Sadly, this.

grimlock1972: Seriously the FCC should not be allowed to employ former employees of any company under their jurisdiction in any post where they could influence rule making due to potential conflict of interests.

I agree, but here's the problem.  Who understands the ISP business better than people who have worked for the big ISPs?

Do you think they'd hire you or me?  Of course not.   Who then should they hire?  Some lawyer who has no concept of the technologies involved?

Conflict of interest though is a huge problem.   Prohibiting FCC officials from going back to work for ISPs might be a good start, but I don't think it solves it completely.

Do they even make these officials divest of any interests they have in companies they are regulating?


Please see my earlier post regarding who should be hired as regulators.
 
2014-05-06 05:44:48 AM

zimbach: Please see my earlier post regarding who should be hired as regulators.


that seems reasonable.  I missed it before - too many posts for me to have read the whole thread.
 
2014-05-06 05:59:18 AM

cman: Here is my petition:

we get a new word to describe heroic actions to differentiate between real heroes and heroes


If you use the internet, Mozilla is both in this case.
 
2014-05-06 06:58:14 AM
Verizon and Comcast should petition FCC to halt Firefox 29. Check and MATE.

(thanks to everybody who tipped Pale Moon over the last few weeks. I love each and every one of you.)
 
2014-05-06 06:58:42 AM
zimbach:
The problem with assigning regulators is you necessarily have to hire someone with relevant industry experience so they have some knowledge of what they're regulating. However, hiring former executives who exited under amicable terms is the wrong way to go about it.


You are 100% incorrect.

The industry should be regulated by engineers. Not politicians.

Just like we don't let politicians decide how to operate nuclear power plants (control rods in/out, not safety regs), they shouldn't be allowed to decide how to operate the internet (Traffic in/out)
 
2014-05-06 06:58:46 AM
Good luck with that.

Control the information flow, control the masses.

Remember, you ain't in the club.
 
2014-05-06 08:40:37 AM

cman: The word "together" derives its forms from "to" and "gather"


1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2014-05-06 08:47:09 AM

MrEricSir: cman: MrEricSir: [farm1.staticflickr.com image 320x240]

Remember when we deregulated power providers? Yeah, let's do the same for internet providers. I mean, what's the worst that could happen?

I hate people who use this word, but Strawman.

Could it be you hate those people because you don't understand what the word means?


He's saying your Enron example is in no way shape or form applicable to present discussion.  I agree with him.
 
2014-05-06 08:48:20 AM
My god, does this country ever suck.

We actually have a government that spends the majority of its time working AGAINST ITS OWN PEOPLE. And we ELECTED much of it!

Jebus Christ, the people here are stupid. Just have an angry radio personality yell at them and tell them why they should be angry, and these worthless morons will go along with anything.

 Sure. Net neutrality is all about keeping government regulation off the internet.

Things are never going to get better, are they?
 
2014-05-06 09:06:57 AM

jenlen: Curious: love how the article tried to end on a positive note by citing obama. the guy who so far has failed (miserably) to follow through on so many things.

Lucky thing for you that you did not say that in the Politics tab - the natives there would circle the wagons and attempt to destroy you for your criticism of their god, Obama!


There appear to be a significant number of liberals who are upset with Obama for turning out to be the Reagan Democrat he always represente himself to be.
It's a mystery to me, fellas.
 
2014-05-06 09:10:09 AM
I think that regulations like this would be perfectly in line with the constitutional requirement of a post office.  It's funny how we have "modernized" almost every part of the constitution except for that part.  The whole intent was that there should be readily accessible, basic means of communication that is free from interference from the government and private sectors.
 
Skr
2014-05-06 09:26:08 AM

GoldSpider: cman: The word "together" derives its forms from "to" and "gather"

[1.bp.blogspot.com image 450x338]




"Maybe in order to understand mankind, we have to look at the word itself: "Mankind". Basically, it's made up of two separate words - "mank" and "ind". What do these words mean? It's a mystery, and that's why so is mankind.", Jack Handey
 
2014-05-06 09:32:36 AM

jso2897: There appear to be a significant number of liberals who are upset with Obama for turning out to be the Reagan Democrat he always represente himself to be.


Yes, I quite clearly remember the campaign rhetoric of 2008: "Morning again in America."
 
2014-05-06 10:05:14 AM
Don't forget the swath of people that are against net neutrality, because right-wing media told them the opposite of net neutrality is net neutrality.
 
2014-05-06 10:12:38 AM

max_pooper: An update to Firefox Petition is available:

Firefox Petition 2.02.12.03.0256.0125.236

It is strongly advised that you upgrade as soon as possible.



A new newupdate is available: Petition 6.02.12.03.0256.0125.236

Changelog: fixed spelling and punctuation, several paged moved to different areas new font.
 
2014-05-06 10:23:06 AM

Jormungandr: max_pooper: An update to Firefox Petition is available:

Firefox Petition 2.02.12.03.0256.0125.236

It is strongly advised that you upgrade as soon as possible.


A new newupdate is available: Petition 6.02.12.03.0256.0125.236

Changelog: fixed spelling and punctuation, several paged moved to different areas new font.


Petition 7.01 just came out. It had a new signature added, and they changed an icon color from "sky blue" to "cornflower blue" but FARK YOU THAT TOTALLY WARRANTED A MAJOR VERSION INCREMENT. STOP ASKING QUESTIONS, NETIZEN.
 
2014-05-06 10:23:58 AM
Hmmm;
If the internet becomes like the tv & radio airwaves, then browser companies can become the new versions of nbc, abc, etc. That kind of power absolutely will corrupt.

Movies and tv should not be using internet bandwidth, that is a total waste of technology, wanking away the expensive bandwidth on senseless videos.
By banning video movies etc, flash would then be obsolete.

Wanna see a movie? go to a theatre, and be photo id'd there as well'
then lets see how popular all that porn really is, Eh?
Banning this crap on the internet would cut back the porn considerably.

Something smells like fi$h here, needs more examinations.
Upshot, this makes me distrust mozilla somewhat more.

The guy [Powell] really was using wisdom when he classified the internet as he did. [info medium]
 
2014-05-06 10:46:13 AM

Charlie Crews' Zen Master: Jormungandr: max_pooper: An update to Firefox Petition is available:

Firefox Petition 2.02.12.03.0256.0125.236

It is strongly advised that you upgrade as soon as possible.


A new newupdate is available: Petition 6.02.12.03.0256.0125.236

Changelog: fixed spelling and punctuation, several paged moved to different areas and a new font.

Petition 7.01 just came out. It had a new signature added, and they changed an icon color from "sky blue" to "cornflower blue" but FARK YOU THAT TOTALLY WARRANTED A MAJOR VERSION INCREMENT. STOP ASKING QUESTIONS, NETIZEN.


Update to Petition 8.1.1.2
Changelog: Corrected punctuation in previous changelog.

/totes intentional
 
2014-05-06 11:08:25 AM

grimlock1972: Seriously the FCC should not be allowed to employ former employees of any company under their jurisdiction in any post where they could influence rule making due to potential conflict of interests.


No shiat.  The relationship between the FCC and communication companies should fall somewhere on the spectrum between "Adversarial" and "hostile".
 
2014-05-06 12:34:00 PM

cman: Here is my petition:

we get a new word to describe heroic actions to differentiate between real heroes and heroes


We already have Patriot.
 
2014-05-06 12:48:13 PM

fluffy2097: zimbach:
The problem with assigning regulators is you necessarily have to hire someone with relevant industry experience so they have some knowledge of what they're regulating. However, hiring former executives who exited under amicable terms is the wrong way to go about it.


You are 100% incorrect.

The industry should be regulated by engineers. Not politicians.

Just like we don't let politicians decide how to operate nuclear power plants (control rods in/out, not safety regs), they shouldn't be allowed to decide how to operate the internet (Traffic in/out)


At what point did I ever suggest politicians? Middle managers often are there after rising up the ranks of engineering and other corporate departments, sometimes strictly by fact of seniority.
 
2014-05-06 01:13:56 PM

cman: Cache: The 1% wants net neutrality ended. THAT. IS. THAT.

You are, however, free to gripe about it - as long as you don't gather in large groups.

Do you have any citations to back up this theory?


The rich using their control of our government to crack down on the plebes?

It was more sophisticated than we had imagined: new documents show that the violent crackdown on Occupy last fall - so mystifying at the time - was not just coordinated at the level of the FBI, the Department of Homeland Security, and local police.

The document - reproduced here in an easily searchable format - shows a terrifying network of coordinated DHS, FBI, police, regional fusion center, and private-sector activity so completely merged into one another that the monstrous whole is, in fact, one entity: in some cases, bearing a single name, the Domestic Security Alliance Council. And it reveals this merged entity to have one centrally planned, locally executed mission. The documents, in short, show the cops and DHS working for and with banks to target, arrest, and politically disable peaceful American citizens.


You can see why the Freedom of Information act must be repealed to protect us from terrorism.

Speaking of the Freedom of Information act and terrorism...

According to internal documents newly released by the FBI, the agency spearheaded a nationwide law enforcement effort to investigate and monitor the Occupy Wall Street movement. In certain documents, divisions of the FBI refer to the Occupy Wall Street protests as a "criminal activity" or even "domestic terrorism."
 
2014-05-06 01:18:08 PM

Pumpernickel bread: MrEricSir: cman: MrEricSir: [farm1.staticflickr.com image 320x240]

Remember when we deregulated power providers? Yeah, let's do the same for internet providers. I mean, what's the worst that could happen?

I hate people who use this word, but Strawman.

Could it be you hate those people because you don't understand what the word means?

He's saying your Enron example is in no way shape or form applicable to present discussion.  I agree with him.


Nobody thought an Enron-sized scam was a possibility when we deregulated power. Are you saying that could never happen with internet deregulation? If so, you need to explain why.
 
2014-05-06 01:20:13 PM

GoldSpider: jso2897: There appear to be a significant number of liberals who are upset with Obama for turning out to be the Reagan Democrat he always represente himself to be.

Yes, I quite clearly remember the campaign rhetoric of 2008: "Morning again in America."


Let's also pretend that Obama didn't explicitly campaign against this and promise that he would only appoint FCC members who would take a stand for allowing consumers paying for an internet connection to visit any web site they liked without corporate interference and greed.

Even leaving out that NOT allowing lobbyists to control the government was one of the central promises of his campaign.
 
2014-05-06 01:33:54 PM

BullBearMS: GoldSpider: jso2897: There appear to be a significant number of liberals who are upset with Obama for turning out to be the Reagan Democrat he always represente himself to be.

Yes, I quite clearly remember the campaign rhetoric of 2008: "Morning again in America."

Let's also pretend that Obama didn't explicitly campaign against this and promise that he would only appoint FCC members who would take a stand for allowing consumers paying for an internet connection to visit any web site they liked without corporate interference and greed.

Even leaving out that NOT allowing lobbyists to control the government was one of the central promises of his campaign.


I was told years ago that he was only forbidding registered lobbyists from participating, so technically he's correct. Which of course is the best kind of correct.
 
2014-05-06 01:58:58 PM
BullBearMS:  According to internal documents newly released by the FBI, the agency spearheaded a nationwide law enforcement effort to investigate and monitor the Occupy Wall Street movement. In certain documents, divisions of the FBI refer to the Occupy Wall Street protests as a "criminal activity" or even "domestic terrorism."

A few years ago (I think somebody was bulldozing what was left of the WTC at the time) a number of countries redefined terrorism to be anything they deem fit to be terrorism. And we let it happen. Hooray for us.
 
2014-05-06 02:10:03 PM

gfid: fluffy2097: So mozilla is petitioning the former ceos of verizon and comcast, to not work in the interests of verizon and comcast.

lol. Good luck with that.

Sadly, this.

grimlock1972: Seriously the FCC should not be allowed to employ former employees of any company under their jurisdiction in any post where they could influence rule making due to potential conflict of interests.

I agree, but here's the problem.  Who understands the ISP business better than people who have worked for the big ISPs?

Do you think they'd hire you or me?  Of course not.   Who then should they hire?  Some lawyer who has no concept of the technologies involved?

Conflict of interest though is a huge problem.   Prohibiting FCC officials from going back to work for ISPs might be a good start, but I don't think it solves it completely.

Do they even make these officials divest of any interests they have in companies they are regulating?


Never said to not hire them, just not to hire them in posts where they make the rules.   certainly we need their expertise but the potential conflict of interest must be considered and handled appropriately.
 
2014-05-06 04:01:02 PM
b-b-b-b---bb-bb-bbbut Freedom!!


protect it!


(so us Big Business criminals can do as we please and steal what we wish)
 
2014-05-06 06:09:56 PM
Mozilla petitions the FCC to halt Verizon and Comcast from ruining the internet

Oh I got this one...

FCC = DOJ, Verizon = Bruce, Comcast = Julian, the internet = marriage

That NSA job is as good as mine.
 
2014-05-07 12:51:23 AM

JSTACAT: Hmmm;
If the internet becomes like the tv & radio airwaves, then browser companies can become the new versions of nbc, abc, etc. That kind of power absolutely will corrupt.

Movies and tv should not be using internet bandwidth, that is a total waste of technology, wanking away the expensive bandwidth on senseless videos.
By banning video movies etc, flash would then be obsolete.

Wanna see a movie? go to a theatre, and be photo id'd there as well'
then lets see how popular all that porn really is, Eh?
Banning this crap on the internet would cut back the porn considerably.

Something smells like fi$h here, needs more examinations.
Upshot, this makes me distrust mozilla somewhat more.

The guy [Powell] really was using wisdom when he classified the internet as he did. [info medium]


Uh, no. Browser companies don't make content, they just make the tools you need to see the content. You don't blame your TV maker because Fox cancelled a show.

What smells of fi$h?

I call troll.
 
2014-05-07 01:53:47 AM

gfid: fluffy2097: So mozilla is petitioning the former ceos of verizon and comcast, to not work in the interests of verizon and comcast.

lol. Good luck with that.

Sadly, this.

grimlock1972: Seriously the FCC should not be allowed to employ former employees of any company under their jurisdiction in any post where they could influence rule making due to potential conflict of interests.

I agree, but here's the problem.  Who understands the ISP business better than people who have worked for the big ISPs?

Do you think they'd hire you or me?  Of course not.   Who then should they hire?  Some lawyer who has no concept of the technologies involved?

Conflict of interest though is a huge problem.   Prohibiting FCC officials from going back to work for ISPs might be a good start, but I don't think it solves it completely.

Do they even make these officials divest of any interests they have in companies they are regulating?


A really good firewall and IntSec administrator would probably have a damn good understanding on how ISPs and the internet works.
 
2014-05-07 04:16:16 AM
why, WHY did I read this goddamn thread
 
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