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2014-05-05 07:45:28 PM
Here is my petition:

we get a new word to describe heroic actions to differentiate between real heroes and heroes
 
2014-05-05 08:32:38 PM
So mozilla is petitioning the former ceos of verizon and comcast, to not work in the interests of verizon and comcast.

lol. Good luck with that.
 
2014-05-05 08:34:38 PM
Seriously the FCC should not be allowed to employ former employees of any company under their jurisdiction in any post where they could influence rule making due to potential conflict of interests.
 
2014-05-05 08:38:04 PM
An update to Firefox Petition is available:

Firefox Petition 2.02.12.03.0256.0125.236

It is strongly advised that you upgrade as soon as possible.
 
2014-05-05 08:53:07 PM
Content Providers vs Internet Providers....

Couldn't have a more dirty fight ahead if you had Don King promoting it.
 
2014-05-05 09:06:12 PM
Glad someone is at least trying to maintain net neutrality. You never know big business might lose for once. .... Oh, well.
 
2014-05-05 09:07:33 PM

fluffy2097: So mozilla is petitioning the former ceos of verizon and comcast, to not work in the interests of verizon and comcast.

lol. Good luck with that.


If there were any more prime an example of that assertion going around that we're living under an oligarchy now, that statement is it.
 
2014-05-05 09:10:23 PM
The 1% wants net neutrality ended. THAT. IS. THAT.

You are, however, free to gripe about it - as long as you don't gather in large groups.
 
2014-05-05 09:13:10 PM

fluffy2097: So mozilla is petitioning the former ceos of verizon and comcast, to not work in the interests of verizon and comcast.

lol. Good luck with that.


Good night every, turn off the lights on your way out.
 
2014-05-05 09:29:04 PM

Cache: The 1% wants net neutrality ended. THAT. IS. THAT.

You are, however, free to gripe about it - as long as you don't gather in large groups.


Well, you're free to gripe about it as long as you have the OPENNET package by time warner! It guarantees access to at least 5 websites where you'll be able to post and share with friends!
Upgrade to the OpenNET2 Package for unlimited access to your refresh and back buttons...
 
2014-05-05 09:30:35 PM

Cache: The 1% wants net neutrality ended. THAT. IS. THAT.

You are, however, free to gripe about it - as long as you don't gather in large groups.


Virginia wants to pass a law that prohibits more than 40 people gathering at your home. Hope you never have a large family wedding.
 
2014-05-05 09:31:07 PM
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i.imgur.com
 
2014-05-05 09:33:09 PM

Somaticasual: Cache: The 1% wants net neutrality ended. THAT. IS. THAT.

You are, however, free to gripe about it - as long as you don't gather in large groups.

Well, you're free to gripe about it as long as you have the OPENNET package by time warner! It guarantees access to at least 5 websites where you'll be able to post and share with friends!
Upgrade to the OpenNET2 Package for unlimited access to your refresh and back buttons...


It'll be fun watching them push until somethings snaps. Then we can use the OPENNET package to download plans for a gillotine.
 
2014-05-05 09:37:39 PM

fluffy2097: So mozilla is petitioning the former ceos of verizon and comcast, to not work in the interests of verizon and comcast.

lol. Good luck with that.


Actually, they're probably hoping the FCC rejects it out of hand, so they can start a civil action over it and get it reclassified by court order instead of FCC policy.  That would be a lot more binding and not as subject to the usual bribery.

It'll still be an uphill battle because, let's face it, Obama is blatantly lying through his teeth about his administration's position on the matter, anyone who doesn't know that by now is a farking moron and will do everything he can to undercut any court ruling in favor of equal access or transparency.  But still probably the best shot here, they just have to cross all the ts and dot all the is before taking it in that direction.
 
2014-05-05 09:39:40 PM
I'd like to see level 3, cogent, and the other high level providers just shut down for 24 hours in protest.

Watching the ENTIRE WORLD fall into chaos as they can't update facebook or manipulate the stock market would be farking hilarious.
 
2014-05-05 09:51:55 PM

Cache: The 1% wants net neutrality ended. THAT. IS. THAT.

You are, however, free to gripe about it - as long as you don't gather in large groups.


Do you have any citations to back up this theory?
 
2014-05-05 09:53:49 PM
farm1.staticflickr.com

Remember when we deregulated power providers? Yeah, let's do the same for internet providers. I mean, what's the worst that could happen?
 
2014-05-05 09:56:26 PM

MrEricSir: [farm1.staticflickr.com image 320x240]

Remember when we deregulated power providers? Yeah, let's do the same for internet providers. I mean, what's the worst that could happen?


I hate people who use this word, but Strawman.
 
2014-05-05 09:58:44 PM

Cache: The 1% wants net neutrality ended. THAT. IS. THAT.

You are, however, free to gripe about it - as long as you don't gather in large groups.


Actually, it's a fraction of the 1% - and other members of the 1% disagree (for their own selfish reasons) - it's going to be a 1%er slap fight.
Whoever wins......well, you know the drill.
 
2014-05-05 09:59:34 PM

fluffy2097: So mozilla is petitioning the former ceos of verizon and comcast, to not work in the interests of verizon and comcast.

lol. Good luck with that.


The problem with assigning regulators is you necessarily have to hire someone with relevant industry experience so they have some knowledge of what they're regulating. However, hiring former executives who exited under amicable terms is the wrong way to go about it.

You need to get middle managers who were laid off for no reason, or better yet, fired for stupid personal reasons or for blowing the whistle on malfeasance they had no other power to do anything about and thus have an axe to grind. That's where you'll find effective regulators.
 
2014-05-05 10:07:26 PM

cman: MrEricSir: [farm1.staticflickr.com image 320x240]

Remember when we deregulated power providers? Yeah, let's do the same for internet providers. I mean, what's the worst that could happen?

I hate people who use this word, but Strawman.


Could it be you hate those people because you don't understand what the word means?
 
2014-05-05 10:08:53 PM

jamspoon: Glad someone is at least trying to maintain net neutrality. You never know big business might lose for once. .... Oh, well.


They have. Two, three, four, however many times now.

The bills have come up. People have voted them down. The companies, learning this, simply took the measures to back rooms, and will continue pumping bribe money into the slush funds of whomever it takes, until this is done.

They stand to win the world. Everyone uses the internet. It's electricity of the new millennium.  If they can gain a stranglehold on the bare bones of the system, they can literally write their own solid gold checks and never give two shiats about anything again.

So no, big business is not going to lose this one. They're going to throw however much cash, however many man hours, whatever resources it takes, to win. And they will continue grinding it out, year, after year, after year, after year, until they win.  Because they know that public interest will wane. People are fickle, they don't want to fight a long hard fight. They want 'Rosa Parks on the Bus', single, big, moments that maybe require a lot of effort but don't require decades of effort.
 
2014-05-05 10:09:52 PM
The last time they petitioned the government for a redress of grievances, they changed their browser's name to Mozilla, gave away its source code to everyone for free, and then sold out to AOL.

How are they going to top that?
 
2014-05-05 10:10:58 PM
Don't just discuss it, take 30 seconds and write the FCC.

http://apps.fcc.gov/ecfs/upload/display?z=3o5hv
 
2014-05-05 10:25:32 PM

Cache: The 1% wants net neutrality ended. THAT. IS. THAT.

You are, however, free to gripe about it - as long as you don't gather in large groups.


And when you do gather, please do so in one of Clinton's designated 'Free-Speech' Zones.
 
2014-05-05 10:28:10 PM
 
2014-05-05 10:28:45 PM

Nemo's Brother: Cache: The 1% wants net neutrality ended. THAT. IS. THAT.

You are, however, free to gripe about it - as long as you don't gather in large groups.

And when you do gather, please do so in one of Clinton's designated 'Free-Speech' Zones.


Here's a fun fact:

The word "together" derives its forms from "to" and "gather"
 
2014-05-05 10:42:14 PM

TheAgeOfEgos: And then sign this;

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/maintain-true-net-neutrali ty -protect-freedom-information-united-states/9sxxdBgy


Already halfway there...  petition could have been worded better, though.
 
2014-05-05 10:52:58 PM
Hopefully, more content providers follow suit. I'd imagine Google and Netflix and such places aren't particularly happy about a potential 'Comcast Tax' cutting into their profits.
 
2014-05-05 10:56:38 PM

LordJiro: Hopefully, more content providers follow suit. I'd imagine Google and Netflix and such places aren't particularly happy about a potential 'Comcast Tax' cutting into their profits.


Don't hold your breath.

http://www.wired.com/2013/07/google-neutrality/
 
2014-05-05 10:58:38 PM

cman: Do you have any citations to back up this theory?


I don't think he needs any. It should be patently obvious to anyone that Comcast and Verizon want to end net neutrality. And it should be patently obvious that the largest shareholders of Verizon and Comcast are 1%'ers. I guess the question is, do the other 1%'ers want to end net neutrality? My considered opinion is the ones who will make more money without net neutrality are against net neutrality. And the ones who aren't sure just aren't very interested because they have so much farking money.
 
2014-05-05 11:04:00 PM

LordJiro: Hopefully, more content providers follow suit. I'd imagine Google and Netflix and such places aren't particularly happy about a potential 'Comcast Tax' cutting into their profits.


Google might be the key.. Piss them off, and they start throwing their billions around.

/Unless of course the service providers make sure google is free.
//Just everything you search for requires a small fee to access any website not on the approved list.
///And cut the goog in on the micro-transaction.
 
2014-05-05 11:09:32 PM

MrEricSir: Remember when we deregulated power providers? Yeah, let's do the same for internet providers. I mean, what's the worst that could happen?


Designating ISP's as Common Carriers is not regulation.
 
2014-05-05 11:10:08 PM

Harry_Seldon: MrEricSir: Remember when we deregulated power providers? Yeah, let's do the same for internet providers. I mean, what's the worst that could happen?

Designating ISP's as Common Carriers is not deregulation.

 
2014-05-05 11:19:45 PM

Harry_Seldon: Harry_Seldon: MrEricSir: Remember when we deregulated power providers? Yeah, let's do the same for internet providers. I mean, what's the worst that could happen?

Designating ISP's as Common Carriers is not deregulation.


No, but ending net neutrality is degregulation.
 
2014-05-05 11:25:44 PM

LordJiro: Hopefully, more content providers follow suit. I'd imagine Google and Netflix and such places aren't particularly happy about a potential 'Comcast Tax' cutting into their profits.


they're all big enough, this is about cementing their structure now that they're all big enough, and preventing the next innovative disruptor from blowing a hole in THEIR business model.  All about preservation, not innovation.
 
2014-05-05 11:28:34 PM
love how the article tried to end on a positive note by citing obama. the guy who so far has failed (miserably) to follow through on so many things.
 
2014-05-05 11:35:22 PM
Fire a guy for protesting marriage equality, then file a petition protesting an equal union.

Make up your minds already.
 
2014-05-05 11:40:19 PM

Curious: love how the article tried to end on a positive note by citing obama. the guy who so far has failed (miserably) to follow through on so many things.


Lucky thing for you that you did not say that in the Politics tab - the natives there would circle the wagons and attempt to destroy you for your criticism of their god, Obama!
 
2014-05-05 11:56:20 PM

Curious: love how the article tried to end on a positive note by citing obama. the guy who so far has failed (miserably) to follow through on so many things.


empty suit today. evil dictator tomorrow.
 
2014-05-06 12:25:44 AM

zimbach: fluffy2097: So mozilla is petitioning the former ceos of verizon and comcast, to not work in the interests of verizon and comcast.

lol. Good luck with that.

The problem with assigning regulators is you necessarily have to hire someone with relevant industry experience so they have some knowledge of what they're regulating. However, hiring former executives who exited under amicable terms is the wrong way to go about it.

You need to get middle managers who were laid off for no reason, or better yet, fired for stupid personal reasons or for blowing the whistle on malfeasance they had no other power to do anything about and thus have an axe to grind. That's where you'll find effective regulators.


Why would anyone hire or appoint *them*?

THEY can't supply you with the multi - million dollar bribes that are required for you to push a candidate!
 
2014-05-06 12:35:14 AM
I hope the Derp doesn't head north.
 
2014-05-06 12:53:51 AM

fluffy2097: Cache: The 1% wants net neutrality ended. THAT. IS. THAT.

You are, however, free to gripe about it - as long as you don't gather in large groups.

Virginia wants to pass a law that prohibits more than 40 people gathering at your home. Hope you never have a large family wedding.

Fairfax County

, Virginia. And it's no more than 49 no more frequently than three times in 40 days.

And it will also fail, or be ruled unconstitutional. So there's that.

/fyi
 
2014-05-06 01:05:09 AM
This is going to get messy, quickly.


/ Get your mind out of the gutter, perv.
 
2014-05-06 01:23:02 AM

Nemo's Brother: Cache: The 1% wants net neutrality ended. THAT. IS. THAT.

You are, however, free to gripe about it - as long as you don't gather in large groups.

And when you do gather, please do so in one of Clinton's designated 'Free-Speech' Zones.


Wow, really?
 
2014-05-06 01:27:05 AM

fluffy2097: I'd like to see level 3, cogent, and the other high level providers just shut down for 24 hours in protest.

Watching the ENTIRE WORLD fall into chaos as they can't update facebook or manipulate the stock market would be farking hilarious.


From what I was reading on Ars earlier, I wouldn't be that surprised if Level 3 did that. They sound kinda pissed.

Re: large groups, tonight I watched a perhaps medium sized protest wander down 16th street in Denver, purportedly protesting 'class war', but meanwhile chanting 'fark the police' (said police were out in force, basically waiting with baited breath to break out the force).

Maybe don't aggravate the guys who have the power to make or break your movement? Maybe try and sway them to your side?

Fortunately as far as I could tell, no one got their ass beat... or so I hope.
 
2014-05-06 01:33:08 AM

Jim_Callahan: Actually, they're probably hoping the FCC rejects it out of hand, so they can start a civil action over it and get it reclassified by court order instead of FCC policy. That would be a lot more binding and not as subject to the usual bribery.


This is a possibility.  I'm sure we'll see lots of suits seeking to force net neutrality in the future, of varying effectiveness.
 
2014-05-06 01:43:18 AM

Curious: love how the article tried to end on a positive note by citing obama. the guy who so far has failed (miserably) to follow through on so many things.


Only a lib would read that far
 
2014-05-06 03:58:05 AM

cman: Here is my petition:

we get a new word to describe heroic actions to differentiate between real heroes and heroes


HeroNOT?
 
2014-05-06 04:49:37 AM

fluffy2097: So mozilla is petitioning the former ceos of verizon and comcast, to not work in the interests of verizon and comcast.

lol. Good luck with that.


Sadly, this.

grimlock1972: Seriously the FCC should not be allowed to employ former employees of any company under their jurisdiction in any post where they could influence rule making due to potential conflict of interests.


I agree, but here's the problem.  Who understands the ISP business better than people who have worked for the big ISPs?

Do you think they'd hire you or me?  Of course not.   Who then should they hire?  Some lawyer who has no concept of the technologies involved?

Conflict of interest though is a huge problem.   Prohibiting FCC officials from going back to work for ISPs might be a good start, but I don't think it solves it completely.

Do they even make these officials divest of any interests they have in companies they are regulating?
 
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