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(Foodbeast)   So a dozen armed men walk into a Jack in the Box   (foodbeast.com) divider line 311
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2014-05-05 06:30:37 PM  

nijika: So what I find funny about this is that they suppose they are advocates but they're doing horrible PR.  They also have the hubris to assume that they won't have an accidental discharge, treating their guns like decorations.  You could argue that they might be responsible owners and they wouldn't be carrying fully loaded rifles around a family restaurant, but you know that's not how guys like this roll.  How would they be the big heroes if "it went down".

So they're strutting around with murder machines in a family joint.  Good work fellas, you've won another moral victory.

I say this as someone who is actually pro gun.


/I'm with you there, i carry concealed, as i live in a "shall issue state" now, thank god.  And if i saw some assholes parading around like this they would likely get punched in the face. As i said in a earlier post, pancake holster, .45 hidden, no need to alarm people, and still be able to defend yourself if needed.  And likewise, just because you CAN do something, doesn't mean you should. Use some common sense.
 
2014-05-05 06:33:23 PM  

zarker: I know in this situation, the cops did respond, but if you call 911 and say "there's a man walking around with a big ass gun" would they just.. not respond? Because that's not particularly illegal? And if they do respond in every case, how long is it gonna take before people get tired of being questioned for carrying their big ass guns, or the cops decide you can no longer carry a big ass gun because you're freaking out the citizens?
Why would you ever think you'd need that anyway? The hell is wrong with a pistol?


/The police get calls for this all the time, and get to know the people out there attention whoring.  And its not the cops who decide if you carry or not, its state law, unless you break a law that has to do with you carrying.  And a pistol would not get the attention these people crave.
 
2014-05-05 06:33:48 PM  

zarker: I know in this situation, the cops did respond, but if you call 911 and say "there's a man walking around with a big ass gun" would they just.. not respond? Because that's not particularly illegal? And if they do respond in every case, how long is it gonna take before people get tired of being questioned for carrying their big ass guns, or the cops decide you can no longer carry a big ass gun because you're freaking out the citizens?
Why would you ever think you'd need that anyway? The hell is wrong with a pistol?


well  other than officers discretion... cops don't get to just decide what the laws are.

I saw this on the news the day after it happened... numerous FtWorth PD units responded.
And the douche in the middle with the plaid shirt gave as he reasons for driving around with a loaded AR 24/7 is "to fill the gaps the Police can't fill...sometimes they just can't respond fast enough"...
yes...sometimes some farking troll has pulled rock stupid stunt like open carrying a long arm in a Jack in the Box so that people call 911 and 15-20 cops show up, instead of taking care of a real issue.
 
2014-05-05 06:33:51 PM  

zarker: I know in this situation, the cops did respond, but if you call 911 and say "there's a man walking around with a big ass gun" would they just.. not respond? Because that's not particularly illegal? And if they do respond in every case, how long is it gonna take before people get tired of being questioned for carrying their big ass guns, or the cops decide you can no longer carry a big ass gun because you're freaking out the citizens?
Why would you ever think you'd need that anyway? The hell is wrong with a pistol?


Luckily the cops don't get to make up the laws as they go along.  And the free exercise of rights is not about need.
 
2014-05-05 06:35:50 PM  

AspectRatio: Dear Adolescent Gun-Humpers,

You sure seem fearful. If you don't carry your guns around, are you are constantly on the verge of shiatting your pants?

Sincerely,
The Grown-Ups


Dear Bigot,

Please learn a little about what your talking about rather then going off half-cocked based only on your ignorant assumptions.

Sincerely,
The rest of us
 
2014-05-05 06:37:13 PM  
They went to Jack in the Box instead of Taco Bell because Jack in the Box only uses "100% Stand Your Ground Beef."
 
2014-05-05 06:37:36 PM  

100 Watt Walrus: Bit'O'Gristle: And note to the employees? Armed robbers generally dont walk into a store with slung rifles, in a large group, and just stand there waiting to order. Criminals tend to HIDE their weapons, and pull them out suddenly. You being startled is understandable, but hiding in the back when it was obvious they were just wanting to order was a bit pussy.

I'm glad we have an eye witness here to tell us what really happened. I'm glad you can tell us first-hand that a bunch of guys with high-powered weapons walking into your place of business is nothing to be alarmed about, and that it's far better to assume no ill intent from burly assholes with the capacity to kill with with a twitch of their finger.


/yes, because every robbery i've seen has been by geeky white dudes walking in casually with slung firearms. Thats just what happens.
 
2014-05-05 06:37:44 PM  

Bit'O'Gristle: zarker: I know in this situation, the cops did respond, but if you call 911 and say "there's a man walking around with a big ass gun" would they just.. not respond? Because that's not particularly illegal? And if they do respond in every case, how long is it gonna take before people get tired of being questioned for carrying their big ass guns, or the cops decide you can no longer carry a big ass gun because you're freaking out the citizens?
Why would you ever think you'd need that anyway? The hell is wrong with a pistol?

/The police get calls for this all the time, and get to know the people out there attention whoring.  And its not the cops who decide if you carry or not, its state law, unless you break a law that has to do with you carrying.  And a pistol would not get the attention these people crave.



I thought someone shows up if you call 911 no matter what, either to handle the emergency or kick your ass for misusing 911.
 
2014-05-05 06:37:55 PM  

Callous: AspectRatio: Dear Adolescent Gun-Humpers,

You sure seem fearful. If you don't carry your guns around, are you are constantly on the verge of shiatting your pants?

Sincerely,
The Grown-Ups

Dear Bigot,

Please learn a little about what your talking about rather then going off half-cocked based only on your ignorant assumptions.

Sincerely,
The rest of us


Dear Callous,

Please learn what the term "bigot" means before you start using it as a synonym for "anyone who says something I don't like."

Sincerely,
Everyone else
 
2014-05-05 06:39:29 PM  

Callous: AspectRatio: Dear Adolescent Gun-Humpers,

You sure seem fearful. If you don't carry your guns around, are you are constantly on the verge of shiatting your pants?

Sincerely,
The Grown-Ups

Dear Bigot,

Please learn a little about what your talking about rather then going off half-cocked based only on your ignorant assumptions.

Sincerely,
The rest of us


/seconded.
 
2014-05-05 06:39:50 PM  

Callous: zarker: I know in this situation, the cops did respond, but if you call 911 and say "there's a man walking around with a big ass gun" would they just.. not respond? Because that's not particularly illegal? And if they do respond in every case, how long is it gonna take before people get tired of being questioned for carrying their big ass guns, or the cops decide you can no longer carry a big ass gun because you're freaking out the citizens?
Why would you ever think you'd need that anyway? The hell is wrong with a pistol?

Luckily the cops don't get to make up the laws as they go along.  And the free exercise of rights is not about need.


I know it's not about need but it seems like a huge hassle, and heavy, and you're probably never gonna end up using it.
And since three of you corrected me, I'll correct myself, "How long before the whoever it is that makes the law guy (judges? voters? congressmen? I guess I should've known it's not cops) decides you can no longer carry a big ass gun because you're freaking out the citizens?"
 
2014-05-05 06:40:02 PM  

Callous: Isitoveryet: wow, those patriots are moar patriotic than any of you could ever fake being.

they are moar patriotic than Uncle Sam snorting coke off a hookers ass through a rolled up Constitution in church while segregating teh population into income groups.

/do all Americans suffer from an inferiority complex?

No, but it appears many have an irrational fear of weapons.



Fearing an unknown group of armed dudes walking into your workplace isn't irrational.  That's totally rational, because that's how armed robberies happen, especially in fastfood joints and quickie marts.

Unless it's hunting season and you work at Cabela's...then those guys are most likely good paying customers.
 
2014-05-05 06:42:27 PM  

Callous: Luckily the cops don't get to make up the laws as they go along. And the free exercise of rights is not about need.


So how do you think this should be handled.  When the cops get a phone call about a bunch of armed assholes carrying rifles into a restaurant, should the cops just say "Hey, that's legal, we'll ignore it"?  Or should the cops respond - thus using up some of their time and keeping them from other duties?
 
2014-05-05 06:43:11 PM  

Theaetetus: JuggleGeek: The employee should have taken a pen and paper and written a note saying "We reserve the right not to serve assholes with weapons".

Or just said "GTFO, or you're trespassing." You don't need to have a specially written policy to refuse service to people carrying weapons.


www.mydoorsign.com
 
2014-05-05 06:46:07 PM  

fusillade762: Theaetetus: JuggleGeek: The employee should have taken a pen and paper and written a note saying "We reserve the right not to serve assholes with weapons".

Or just said "GTFO, or you're trespassing." You don't need to have a specially written policy to refuse service to people carrying weapons.

[www.mydoorsign.com image 400x290]


/Ya, that doesn't work so well.  It has been tried.  You can't tell someone they are trespassing, when its a public access building like a fast food joint. There have been may court cases.
 
2014-05-05 06:47:02 PM  

Bonzo_1116: Fearing an unknown group of armed dudes walking into your workplace isn't irrational. That's totally rational, because that's how armed robberies happen, especially in fastfood joints and quickie marts.


I had a part time job running dart tournaments in a bar.  One Friday night four armed dudes (one shotgun and two pistols visible)  walked in and robbed everyone in the place.  (Idiots didn't take the money from the cash register, though.)  They took wallets, purses, and any electronics (cell phones, tablets, i-pods, whatever.)
 
2014-05-05 06:48:03 PM  

JuggleGeek: Callous: Luckily the cops don't get to make up the laws as they go along. And the free exercise of rights is not about need.

So how do you think this should be handled.  When the cops get a phone call about a bunch of armed assholes carrying rifles into a restaurant, should the cops just say "Hey, that's legal, we'll ignore it"?  Or should the cops respond - thus using up some of their time and keeping them from other duties?


/they HAVE to respond. Every time. No, a "man with a gun" doesn't actually mean a law has been broken, but the police are obligated to check it out.  So yes, they waste their time and taxpayer money, giving these people the attention they want, on your buck.
 
2014-05-05 06:48:06 PM  

basemetal: The men were Open Carry Firearm demonstrators who were protesting their rights to carry firearms in public.

Protesting their rights........or demonstrating their rights.......?

/anyway, I hope the cops are called on you every time you carry your AR into a business/public place.
//you want a reaction, I hope you like police reaction
///I'm all for concealed carry, but carrying around your AR in public like that is just stupid.


Each one of these attention whores just wants everyone in the vicinity to know that "I can kill all of you, at any time"


Idiots.
 
2014-05-05 06:48:20 PM  
You know... Maybe if they wore suits and kinda looked bad ass respectable I might be able to support such shenanigans. They look like the typical neck beard white trash 'murica type hooligans and are unrepresentative (or God I hope so) of the majority of American gun owners. Carrying a side arm is one thing but damn really. What could possibly happen at a Jack in the Box that would require a rifle. Just sayn'.
 
2014-05-05 06:48:38 PM  

Callous: FarkinBastard: I understand 'protesting your right"???, but It'd make me nervous sitting there with my chitlins, eating a greaseburger.

It'd sure help if everyone who leaves a comment here states if they have ever actually seen or handled a gun in person.

//gots guns

It would only make me nervous if I saw some kind of unsafe handling of the rifles.


Pretty much this. A slung and unloaded rifle doesn't worry me too much..but in fairness I do not see a need to carry a long rifle in public unless it's deer season.

/CHL in Texas
 
2014-05-05 06:48:39 PM  
...and then they politely ordered their food and left. Just like every other time.

The OC demonstrations aren't my cup of tea, but you'd think people would eventually stop wigging out over them after the umpteenth time an OC group shows up somewhere and calmly goes about their business.
 
2014-05-05 06:49:37 PM  
Oh, just look at all the pants-pissing CCs(Cowardly Carrys) in this thread quaking in the shadow of Real Men.

www.opencarrytexas.org

j/k
 
2014-05-05 06:50:25 PM  
Enjoy your AR, m'kay? But does it have to go in the store with you?

/Christ - even my 4-yr old knows that her toys stay in the car.
 
2014-05-05 06:50:59 PM  

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Oh, just look at all the pants-pissing CCs(Cowardly Carrys) in this thread quaking in the shadow of Real Men.

[www.opencarrytexas.org image 850x566]

j/k


1/10 but you might get some bites.
 
2014-05-05 06:52:11 PM  
I would have the exact same reaction to that group walking in to a fast-food restaurant with long arms, as I would if they were wearing string bikinis.

sure, they're *allowed* to wear string bikinis to Jack in the Box.  but why the fark would they *want* to?
 
2014-05-05 06:52:43 PM  
It occurs to me that following those guys back to their car, sticking a pistol their head and stealing their rifles would net you what 2-300 dollars a pop? Hell I bet they have backup rifles in their car.
 
2014-05-05 06:53:16 PM  

fusillade762: Theaetetus: JuggleGeek: The employee should have taken a pen and paper and written a note saying "We reserve the right not to serve assholes with weapons".

Or just said "GTFO, or you're trespassing." You don't need to have a specially written policy to refuse service to people carrying weapons.

[www.mydoorsign.com image 400x290]


Interestingly, posting that sign in your public establishment is actually illegal in some states. It's also factually untrue.
It's far better to, as I said, simply tell the assholes to GTFO. Pointing at a sign is passive aggressive, at best.
 
2014-05-05 06:53:21 PM  

Bit'O'Gristle: /Ya, that doesn't work so well. It has been tried. You can't tell someone they are trespassing, when its a public access building like a fast food joint. There have been may court cases.


It's not trespassing when they walk in - but once you tell them to leave, if they refuse, it's trespassing.

Vagrants walk into restaurants and start asking people for money.  The restaurants tell them to GTFO.  If they don't leave, the cops will arrest them.  This is the same thing - someone is told "You aren't welcome here", and if they won't leave, the cops will deal with it.

To me, a rifle in your hand is very, very different that a pistol in your holster.  the only reason you have that gun in your hand is to be a threat.  I'm not going to treat you like a customer while you threaten me.
 
2014-05-05 06:53:29 PM  

skyotter: I would have the exact same reaction to that group walking in to a fast-food restaurant with long arms, as I would if they were wearing string bikinis.

sure, they're *allowed* to wear string bikinis to Jack in the Box.  but why the fark would they *want* to?


/Attention whores..that is all. Adult "barely" game of "everyone look at me"
 
2014-05-05 06:54:02 PM  
As a lover of things that go BOOM, I wish these ass wipe inbred worthless waste of resources would just accidentally shoot each other.
 
2014-05-05 06:54:06 PM  

zarker: I know in this situation, the cops did respond, but if you call 911 and say "there's a man walking around with a big ass gun" would they just.. not respond? Because that's not particularly illegal? And if they do respond in every case, how long is it gonna take before people get tired of being questioned for carrying their big ass guns, or the cops decide you can no longer carry a big ass gun because you're freaking out the citizens?
Why would you ever think you'd need that anyway? The hell is wrong with a pistol?


This winter I was walking into work at like 5:45 in the morning and after yelling at me as I approached him, a guy stopped in front of me and said "I have two Glocks in my bag."  He was carrying a backpack that looked like it was mostly empty except for what could be the weight of two pistols in the bottom.  I said "Ok," and after a pause that seemed like forever, guy just said, "they're not for you though, they're for some other ni***rs."  And he started walking away still shouting "I've got two Glocks in my bag!  Damn straight I called the police.
 
2014-05-05 06:54:13 PM  

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Oh, just look at all the pants-pissing CCs(Cowardly Carrys) in this thread quaking in the shadow of Real Men.

[www.opencarrytexas.org image 850x566]

j/k


Dude you can't diss American Package! He is a real potato hero.
 
2014-05-05 06:54:33 PM  
I wonder what would happen if a bunch of Black guys or people dressed in traditional Saudi clothes walked in to a fast food place with AKs.
I kinda doubt the police or they typical open carry twatpimple would say "They were just exercising their rights."
 
2014-05-05 06:55:15 PM  

Doktor_Zhivago: Ashyukun: brandishing assholes

unfortunately this is still illegal in most places


Not only that, but apparently everyone is carrying one concealed. Some with silencers. The deadliest kind.
 
2014-05-05 06:55:24 PM  
Bit'O'Gristle
/Ya, that doesn't work so well. It has been tried. You can't tell someone they are trespassing, when its a public access building like a fast food joint. There have been may court cases.


www.safetysupplywarehouse.com
 
2014-05-05 06:55:36 PM  

Theaetetus: Pointing at a sign is passive aggressive, at best.


Waving your rifle around is fine, pointing at a sign is aggressive. Got it.
 
2014-05-05 06:55:49 PM  

tripleseven: Each one of these attention whores just wants everyone in the vicinity to know that "I can kill all of you, at any time"


THIS.
Hey, you NRA cosplayers? Yeah, you're not helping your cause. Grow up. You look like attention-whoring toddler-men to literally everyone else around you. And you are the reason that your precious Second Amendment will likely be repealed some time in the next three decades.
 
2014-05-05 06:57:34 PM  

Bit'O'Gristle: fusillade762: Theaetetus: JuggleGeek: The employee should have taken a pen and paper and written a note saying "We reserve the right not to serve assholes with weapons".

Or just said "GTFO, or you're trespassing." You don't need to have a specially written policy to refuse service to people carrying weapons.

[www.mydoorsign.com image 400x290]

/Ya, that doesn't work so well.  It has been tried.  You can't tell someone they are trespassing, when its a public access building like a fast food joint. There have been may court cases.


Yes, it works just fine, has been tried and upheld all over the place, and with all due respect, I believe you're confusing "court cases" with "bullshiat". In particular, you may be confusing this situation with people who refuse service based on an identified trait in the federal or relevant state's civil rights acts.
 
2014-05-05 06:57:45 PM  

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Oh, just look at all the pants-pissing CCs(Cowardly Carrys) in this thread quaking in the shadow of Real Men.

[www.opencarrytexas.org image 850x566]

j/k


USA Bodysuit Man needs to take it down a notch.
 
2014-05-05 06:57:52 PM  

Slaves2Darkness: It occurs to me that following those guys back to their car, sticking a pistol their head and stealing their rifles would net you what 2-300 dollars a pop? Hell I bet they have backup rifles in their car.


Oh, MUCH more than that. Ever since we elected a filthy mulatto as President  and the WORMS (White Old Rural Male Southerners) collectively shiat themselves AR prices have shot through the roof. Expect to pay at least $800
 
2014-05-05 06:58:15 PM  
Nina_Hartley's_Ass
Oh, just look at all the pants-pissing CCs(Cowardly Carrys) in this thread quaking in the shadow of Real Men.


Captain America in his greenman look just does not work. I want to write him a fashion citation.
 
2014-05-05 06:58:17 PM  

JuggleGeek: Theaetetus: Pointing at a sign is passive aggressive, at best.

Waving your rifle around is fine, pointing at a sign is aggressive. Got it.


No, the former is aggressive, while the latter is passive aggressive.
 
2014-05-05 06:58:25 PM  
I invite these gentlemen to do this at a Williams Family fried chicken.
 
2014-05-05 06:58:56 PM  

JuggleGeek: Bit'O'Gristle: /Ya, that doesn't work so well. It has been tried. You can't tell someone they are trespassing, when its a public access building like a fast food joint. There have been may court cases.

It's not trespassing when they walk in - but once you tell them to leave, if they refuse, it's trespassing.

Vagrants walk into restaurants and start asking people for money.  The restaurants tell them to GTFO.  If they don't leave, the cops will arrest them.  This is the same thing - someone is told "You aren't welcome here", and if they won't leave, the cops will deal with it.

To me, a rifle in your hand is very, very different that a pistol in your holster.  the only reason you have that gun in your hand is to be a threat.  I'm not going to treat you like a customer while you threaten me.


/i hear what you are saying, but the vagrants were breaking the law by panhadeling ...which is a crime. Walking into a public place "access" with a legal weapon is not agasint the law, and they are bound by law to serve them.  The myth of "i dont have to serve you" has been taken to court many times. If they would have thrown them out, they would have opened themselves to litigation.
 
2014-05-05 06:59:52 PM  

AspectRatio: And you are the reason that your precious Second Amendment will likely be repealed some time in the next three decades


media.tumblr.com
 
2014-05-05 07:00:53 PM  
i love this.  of course many will completely miss the point they were making but i do love this.  it illustrates perfectly how most of society simply wont be prepared for such a completely lawful gathering.  they specifically wanted to see what people would think if 10+ people came in all adorned visibly with guns, and not just pistols.  sure, they really didnt want to 'scare' but they werent so naive as to know they wouldnt.  the average store manager generally isnt equipped to handle any basic human altercation let alone one like this.

these pro guns guys wanted everyone to know that all it will take is a few TERRIBLE misunderstandings to cause public panic.  luckily this one didnt turn sour.  when the cops came everything was good, they were legal, and that particular store manager mightve learned some kind of lesson on how not to overreact.   either way, it was a good illustration of how a law might not have totally been thought threw.
 
2014-05-05 07:02:00 PM  
Bit'O'Gristle
/i hear what you are saying, but the vagrants were breaking the law by panhadeling ...which is a crime. Walking into a public place "access" with a legal weapon is not agasint the law, and they are bound by law to serve them. The myth of "i dont have to serve you" has been taken to court many times. If they would have thrown them out, they would have opened themselves to litigation.


I see 'no guns' in businesses all the time. How is this any different then 'no shoes, no shirt, no dice'?
 
2014-05-05 07:02:36 PM  

nijika: So what I find funny about this is that they suppose they are advocates but they're doing horrible PR.  They also have the hubris to assume that they won't have an accidental discharge, treating their guns like decorations.  You could argue that they might be responsible owners and they wouldn't be carrying fully loaded rifles around a family restaurant, but you know that's not how guys like this roll.  How would they be the big heroes if "it went down".

So they're strutting around with murder machines in a family joint.  Good work fellas, you've won another moral victory.

I say this as someone who is actually pro gun.


Did they say they were walking around with one in the chamber? I seriously hope not!
I'm pro gun myself, but not like this, it is dumb and provocative. Were there a need, we can argue about it then...

Here in Cali, technically (will be harassed non stop), I can open carry as long as the gun is empty. I can have a clip right next to it, and most people can load a pistol in a few seconds so that is viable in my book. Do I do it? NO! It is pointless and asking for trouble...
I know enough people to know that most people shouldn't walk around with loaded firearms, and I've avoided needing one for 30 years so yeah, have guns but don't be a gun slinger...
 
2014-05-05 07:02:47 PM  
I wonder if people in Israel lose their mind when they see people walking around everywhere with M16s
 
2014-05-05 07:03:35 PM  

Bit'O'Gristle: /they HAVE to respond. Every time. No, a "man with a gun" doesn't actually mean a law has been broken, but the police are obligated to check it out.  So yes, they waste their time and taxpayer money, giving these people the attention they want, on your buck.


And what happens is there were, oh, say a couple of thousand people doing it every day?  The article says "Dallas/Ft Worth", which doesn't do a lot to narrow it down, but in that area, there are millions of people.  A couple of thousand people is a tiny fraction, but it's enough that the cops couldn't get much else done.

I like their "We can do anything we want since it isn't illegal" plan.  Lets see how we can turn that around.

I think the cops should say "Yep, it's legal for you to do that, but you're being a jerk, and you're going to get treated like a jerk".

The next day, the guy leaves for work, gets pulled over.  Cop tells him "Looked like you were weaving, we're going to need to test you for alcohol.  We're going downtown".  If the guy passes the breathalyzer, let him go.  By then, of course, he's late for work - but that's his problem, and the cop, much like the asshole carrying the gun, did nothing illegal.

The next day, pull him over again.

And if he's set on continuing to be an asshole carrying a gun, he can get harassed every damn day.

Not to mention that if the guy drives a few miles an hour over the limit, ticket.  Rolls through a stop sign?  Ticket.  Accelerates just a little too fast?  Ticket.
 
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