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2014-05-05 04:31:45 PM  
The men were Open Carry Firearm demonstrators who were protesting their rights to carry firearms in public.

Protesting their rights........or demonstrating their rights.......?

/anyway, I hope the cops are called on you every time you carry your AR into a business/public place.
//you want a reaction, I hope you like police reaction
///I'm all for concealed carry, but carrying around your AR in public like that is just stupid.
 
2014-05-05 04:47:32 PM  
Look at the shiat eating grins on their faces. What a collection of assholes. Too bad someone with a CCP wasn't there the shoot them.
 
2014-05-05 04:53:34 PM  

Mugato: Too bad someone with a CCP wasn't there the shoot them


I.e. a hero who stopped an impending robbery.

Unless they shot him first. Then they're heroes who used reasonable force against a deadly threat. Remember, whoever lives to write history is the hero.
 
2014-05-05 04:59:23 PM  

Theaetetus: Mugato: Too bad someone with a CCP wasn't there the shoot them

I.e. a hero who stopped an impending robbery.

Unless they shot him first. Then they're heroes who used reasonable force against a deadly threat. Remember, whoever lives to write history is the hero.


Best case scenario would be two different groups of brandishing assholes deciding to 'demonstrate' at the same place at the same time without any knowledge that the other group was coming or even existed...
 
2014-05-05 05:05:58 PM  
I bet they all ordered Bacon Ultimate cheeseburgers....
 
2014-05-05 05:13:43 PM  
I want to see your gun about as much as I want to see your penis.  As in not at all.  So put that shiat away.
 
2014-05-05 05:15:43 PM  

Ashyukun: brandishing assholes


unfortunately this is still illegal in most places
 
2014-05-05 05:23:00 PM  
One of the demonstrators, Edwin Haros, said that they weren't breaking any laws or trying to scare anybody

What you're trying to do and what you actually accomplish may be two very different things.
 
2014-05-05 05:24:18 PM  
Doesn't that make it more like Jerks in the Box?
 
2014-05-05 05:58:09 PM  
One customer said "When they walked in I crapped my pants. I'm not sure if it was the sight of them or the food"
 
2014-05-05 06:01:37 PM  
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2014-05-05 06:02:38 PM  
What a brave bunch of patriots.  Something of great importance was surely accomplished on this day.
 
2014-05-05 06:02:53 PM  

I want to see some minority gun owners walk down the streets in the towns where these guys live. See what the response is then.


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2014-05-05 06:03:09 PM  
"F the safety of your kids and family I have a point to prove!"
 
2014-05-05 06:03:49 PM  
Well that's just silly. Jack in the box is usually soggy and fatty.
 
2014-05-05 06:04:12 PM  
I'm going to start carrying around a halberd.
Nowhere in the Constitution does it specify firearms.
 
2014-05-05 06:04:12 PM  
BEST case scenario is the business tells them to GTFO
 
2014-05-05 06:05:47 PM  

Yogimus: BEST case scenario is


actually probably similar to the article. They got attention and food.
 
2014-05-05 06:06:26 PM  
Why would any sane person just assume their weapons are welcome in any place of business? I have no problem with open-carry, but walking into a fast food joint fully armed is just being a dick.
 
2014-05-05 06:07:02 PM  
If their state allows for open carry then they have every reason to expect to be allowed to walk into a restaurant with their toys out. But as grown men they must also understand the reaction a business will have when armed men enter, so they should also be responsible for paying back their state/city/county for the police response that follows. Gas in the cruisers, half a man-hour per responder, etc. That's just being a good citizen. That's just prudent.

You want to wave your dick around, fine, nobody's really going to get hurt, but you have to be prepared to answer for your dick waving.
 
2014-05-05 06:07:14 PM  
...and the clerk is like "What is this, a joke?"


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2014-05-05 06:08:11 PM  
wow, those patriots are moar patriotic than any of you could ever fake being.

they are moar patriotic than Uncle Sam snorting coke off a hookers ass through a rolled up Constitution in church while segregating teh population into income groups.

/do all Americans suffer from an inferiority complex?
 
2014-05-05 06:08:52 PM  
You can shoot a lot of guns with twelve arms.
 
2014-05-05 06:10:23 PM  

Isitoveryet: wow, those patriots are moar patriotic than any of you could ever fake being.

they are moar patriotic than Uncle Sam snorting coke off a hookers ass through a rolled up Constitution in church while segregating teh population into income groups.

/do all Americans suffer from an inferiority complex?


No, but it appears many have an irrational fear of weapons.
 
2014-05-05 06:11:00 PM  

Doktor_Zhivago: Ashyukun: brandishing assholes

unfortunately this is still illegal in most places


It'd make a great band name though
 
2014-05-05 06:12:32 PM  
So what I find funny about this is that they suppose they are advocates but they're doing horrible PR.  They also have the hubris to assume that they won't have an accidental discharge, treating their guns like decorations.  You could argue that they might be responsible owners and they wouldn't be carrying fully loaded rifles around a family restaurant, but you know that's not how guys like this roll.  How would they be the big heroes if "it went down".

So they're strutting around with murder machines in a family joint.  Good work fellas, you've won another moral victory.

I say this as someone who is actually pro gun.
 
2014-05-05 06:13:36 PM  
I have no problem with people exercising their right to carry a firearm for self defense. Granted, there is no actual valid reason to walk about with an AK or a G3 or FN over your back, but...its within the law, though kinda attention whorish. If you are serious about carry, and wish to do so, try a pancake holster with a .45 so you don't alarm the masses. Just because you CAN do something, doesn't mean you should.

/And note to the employees? Armed robbers generally dont walk into a store with slung rifles, in a large group, and just stand there waiting to order. Criminals tend to HIDE their weapons, and pull them out suddenly. You being startled is understandable, but hiding in the back when it was obvious they were just wanting to order was a bit pussy.
 
2014-05-05 06:13:37 PM  
You know, a sidearm is one thing...some doof had one strapped on his leg in the produce department of my local grocery store on Saturday...but walking in with an AR like the idiot on the left side of the photo should be considered brandishing and he should be cited.

IMHO
 
2014-05-05 06:14:00 PM  

Ashyukun: Best case scenario would be two different groups of brandishing assholes deciding to 'demonstrate' at the same place at the same time without any knowledge that the other group was coming or even existed...


Yeah!  I wonder what these guys would have thought if a group of 12 Mexicans or Black guys came in the place with their AR-15s and AK-47s fully loaded and strapped and ready to go?

Think anyone would spill some urine?

--
K
 
2014-05-05 06:14:39 PM  

basemetal: The men were Open Carry Firearm demonstrators who were protesting their rights to carry firearms in public.

Protesting their rights........or demonstrating their rights.......?

/anyway, I hope the cops are called on you every time you carry your AR into a business/public place.
//you want a reaction, I hope you like police reaction
///I'm all for concealed carry, but carrying around your AR in public like that is just stupid.


I would amend open carry is also ok for pistols. At least they're holstered.
 
2014-05-05 06:15:50 PM  

Callous: Isitoveryet: wow, those patriots are moar patriotic than any of you could ever fake being.

they are moar patriotic than Uncle Sam snorting coke off a hookers ass through a rolled up Constitution in church while segregating teh population into income groups.

/do all Americans suffer from an inferiority complex?

No, but it appears many have an irrational fear of weapons.


no doubt the employee's were frightened, I don't think it's the weapons as much as it is the crazy person parading around with the weapon.
you may have a point though, seems like a public display of guns has been associated with criminal activity, like, they only type people who walk into fast food restaurants brandishing weapons, are crazy people.
 
2014-05-05 06:16:01 PM  

Bit'O'Gristle: but hiding in the back when it was obvious they were just wanting to order was a bit pussy.


And it held up the line....people gots to have their McJacks or Double double Whopper and such as.
 
2014-05-05 06:16:11 PM  

UberDave: I bet they all ordered Bacon Ultimate cheeseburgers....


What a bunch of pussies. Real men order the DOUBLE Bacon Ultimate Cheeseburger. And a side of those jalapeno poppers...
 
2014-05-05 06:17:56 PM  
The employee should have taken a pen and paper and written a note saying "We reserve the right not to serve assholes with weapons".

I'm all in favor of gun ownership, but when you start carrying rifles into Jack in the Box because your mother won't give you any attention, you've gone too far.
 
2014-05-05 06:18:45 PM  

Sin_City_Superhero: UberDave: I bet they all ordered Bacon Ultimate cheeseburgers....

What a bunch of pussies. Real men order the DOUBLE Bacon Ultimate Cheeseburger. And a side of those jalapeno poppers...



They can't do that.  The inevitable hour on the toilet would take away from their gun carryin' around time.
 
2014-05-05 06:19:58 PM  
I am so farking sick of seeing these "OpenCarry" douchbags , you have no need to be carrying your AR/Shotgun unless you're transporting it to and from a range, or going hunting.

the group in FarmersBranch likes to walk down the street and demonstrate in front of the police station.
While it is legal to do so in Texas (providing no rounds are chambered)... its still provocation, and as such opens them up to other civil penalties.

they are also currently getting all pissy with the city of Arlington. They go and demonstrate in traffic on busy streets...similar to how firemen will walk about collecting for charity in boots...only instead of there being a large fire engine and fireman holding a boot...its a bunch of tetrads walking up to cars at red lights with guns and pamphlets.  APD has laws on the books prohibiting standing on busy roads and intersections in this fashion...but because they love their guns...they are being petulant as fark.

honestly by Texas law I am allowed to keep a loaded pistol in my car ...basically all the time without the need for a CCP. So if I saw someone scumbag approach my truck while toting a long gun...and I "stood my ground" and shot them dead...what happens then?
 
2014-05-05 06:20:04 PM  

Scrotastic Method: If their state allows for open carry then they have every reason to expect to be allowed to walk into a restaurant with their toys out. But as grown men they must also understand the reaction a business will have when armed men enter, so they should also be responsible for paying back their state/city/county for the police response that follows. Gas in the cruisers, half a man-hour per responder, etc. That's just being a good citizen. That's just prudent.

You want to wave your dick around, fine, nobody's really going to get hurt, but you have to be prepared to answer for your dick waving.


/ I agree with you on a few points. Yes, these people were attention whoring assholes. Point taken.  But peoples panic over others exercising their right to carry, does not affect that right at all.  Agreed, they were douche bags, but...you cant fine / arrest / make someone pay for breaking no law.  I guess they could have tried "disturbing the peace" but, that has been tried before, and it's always thrown out.  You can't "disturb the peace" by breaking no actual laws.
 
2014-05-05 06:20:05 PM  
We need jack in the box in New England...
 
2014-05-05 06:20:15 PM  
Now imagine if they had tried this at a bank instead of a fast food joint....
 
2014-05-05 06:21:51 PM  

firemanbuck: You know, a sidearm is one thing...some doof had one strapped on his leg in the produce department of my local grocery store on Saturday...but walking in with an AR like the idiot on the left side of the photo should be considered brandishing and he should be cited.

IMHO


I don't have a problem with a rifle slung over the shoulder like the guy on the right.  But if they walked in with them like the 2 on the left I could see heart rates quickening.  Hopefully they were not carrying them around like that and only held them like that for the picture.
 
2014-05-05 06:22:29 PM  

Callous: Isitoveryet: wow, those patriots are moar patriotic than any of you could ever fake being.

they are moar patriotic than Uncle Sam snorting coke off a hookers ass through a rolled up Constitution in church while segregating teh population into income groups.

/do all Americans suffer from an inferiority complex?

No, but it appears many have an irrational fear of weapons.


Being afraid of being shot is perfectly rational.
 
2014-05-05 06:24:14 PM  

firemanbuck: You know, a sidearm is one thing...some doof had one strapped on his leg in the produce department of my local grocery store on Saturday...but walking in with an AR like the idiot on the left side of the photo should be considered brandishing and he should be cited.

IMHO


/ I totally agree. But, as the law is written, it's their right. And its the constitutional equivalent of trolling.  They do it for shock value, on the premise of "education of the public" but in reality, its trolling.  They WANT the cops to show up so they can video them doing nothing "as no law has been broken" and post it to youtube..  Look how we showed the cops our RIGHTS.  Sighs.  Yes, they had the right to do that, but...they are still assholes.
 
2014-05-05 06:26:08 PM  

nijika: carrying fully loaded rifles around a family restaurant


Well they knew better than to go to a convenience store or mom and pop joint, they would have gotten blown away.
 
2014-05-05 06:26:55 PM  
I understand 'protesting your right"???, but It'd make me nervous sitting there with my chitlins, eating a greaseburger.

It'd sure help if everyone who leaves a comment here states if they have ever actually seen or handled a gun in person.

//gots guns
 
2014-05-05 06:26:55 PM  

Stratohead: I am so farking sick of seeing these "OpenCarry" douchbags , you have no need to be carrying your AR/Shotgun unless you're transporting it to and from a range, or going hunting.

the group in FarmersBranch likes to walk down the street and demonstrate in front of the police station.
While it is legal to do so in Texas (providing no rounds are chambered)... its still provocation, and as such opens them up to other civil penalties.

they are also currently getting all pissy with the city of Arlington. They go and demonstrate in traffic on busy streets...similar to how firemen will walk about collecting for charity in boots...only instead of there being a large fire engine and fireman holding a boot...its a bunch of tetrads walking up to cars at red lights with guns and pamphlets.  APD has laws on the books prohibiting standing on busy roads and intersections in this fashion...but because they love their guns...they are being petulant as fark.

honestly by Texas law I am allowed to keep a loaded pistol in my car ...basically all the time without the need for a CCP. So if I saw someone scumbag approach my truck while toting a long gun...and I "stood my ground" and shot them dead...what happens then?



Rights aren't about need.
 
2014-05-05 06:27:13 PM  

Bit'O'Gristle: And note to the employees? Armed robbers generally dont walk into a store with slung rifles, in a large group, and just stand there waiting to order. Criminals tend to HIDE their weapons, and pull them out suddenly. You being startled is understandable, but hiding in the back when it was obvious they were just wanting to order was a bit pussy.


I'm glad we have an eye witness here to tell us what really happened. I'm glad you can tell us first-hand that a bunch of guys with high-powered weapons walking into your place of business is nothing to be alarmed about, and that it's far better to assume no ill intent from burly assholes with the capacity to kill with with a twitch of their finger.
 
2014-05-05 06:28:52 PM  

FarkinBastard: I understand 'protesting your right"???, but It'd make me nervous sitting there with my chitlins, eating a greaseburger.

It'd sure help if everyone who leaves a comment here states if they have ever actually seen or handled a gun in person.

//gots guns


It would only make me nervous if I saw some kind of unsafe handling of the rifles.
 
2014-05-05 06:29:00 PM  
I know in this situation, the cops did respond, but if you call 911 and say "there's a man walking around with a big ass gun" would they just.. not respond? Because that's not particularly illegal? And if they do respond in every case, how long is it gonna take before people get tired of being questioned for carrying their big ass guns, or the cops decide you can no longer carry a big ass gun because you're freaking out the citizens?
Why would you ever think you'd need that anyway? The hell is wrong with a pistol?
 
2014-05-05 06:29:08 PM  

JuggleGeek: The employee should have taken a pen and paper and written a note saying "We reserve the right not to serve assholes with weapons".


Or just said "GTFO, or you're trespassing." You don't need to have a specially written policy to refuse service to people carrying weapons.
 
2014-05-05 06:29:55 PM  
Dear Adolescent Gun-Humpers,

You sure seem fearful. If you don't carry your guns around, are you are constantly on the verge of shiatting your pants?

Sincerely,
The Grown-Ups
 
2014-05-05 06:30:37 PM  

nijika: So what I find funny about this is that they suppose they are advocates but they're doing horrible PR.  They also have the hubris to assume that they won't have an accidental discharge, treating their guns like decorations.  You could argue that they might be responsible owners and they wouldn't be carrying fully loaded rifles around a family restaurant, but you know that's not how guys like this roll.  How would they be the big heroes if "it went down".

So they're strutting around with murder machines in a family joint.  Good work fellas, you've won another moral victory.

I say this as someone who is actually pro gun.


/I'm with you there, i carry concealed, as i live in a "shall issue state" now, thank god.  And if i saw some assholes parading around like this they would likely get punched in the face. As i said in a earlier post, pancake holster, .45 hidden, no need to alarm people, and still be able to defend yourself if needed.  And likewise, just because you CAN do something, doesn't mean you should. Use some common sense.
 
2014-05-05 06:33:23 PM  

zarker: I know in this situation, the cops did respond, but if you call 911 and say "there's a man walking around with a big ass gun" would they just.. not respond? Because that's not particularly illegal? And if they do respond in every case, how long is it gonna take before people get tired of being questioned for carrying their big ass guns, or the cops decide you can no longer carry a big ass gun because you're freaking out the citizens?
Why would you ever think you'd need that anyway? The hell is wrong with a pistol?


/The police get calls for this all the time, and get to know the people out there attention whoring.  And its not the cops who decide if you carry or not, its state law, unless you break a law that has to do with you carrying.  And a pistol would not get the attention these people crave.
 
2014-05-05 06:33:48 PM  

zarker: I know in this situation, the cops did respond, but if you call 911 and say "there's a man walking around with a big ass gun" would they just.. not respond? Because that's not particularly illegal? And if they do respond in every case, how long is it gonna take before people get tired of being questioned for carrying their big ass guns, or the cops decide you can no longer carry a big ass gun because you're freaking out the citizens?
Why would you ever think you'd need that anyway? The hell is wrong with a pistol?


well  other than officers discretion... cops don't get to just decide what the laws are.

I saw this on the news the day after it happened... numerous FtWorth PD units responded.
And the douche in the middle with the plaid shirt gave as he reasons for driving around with a loaded AR 24/7 is "to fill the gaps the Police can't fill...sometimes they just can't respond fast enough"...
yes...sometimes some farking troll has pulled rock stupid stunt like open carrying a long arm in a Jack in the Box so that people call 911 and 15-20 cops show up, instead of taking care of a real issue.
 
2014-05-05 06:33:51 PM  

zarker: I know in this situation, the cops did respond, but if you call 911 and say "there's a man walking around with a big ass gun" would they just.. not respond? Because that's not particularly illegal? And if they do respond in every case, how long is it gonna take before people get tired of being questioned for carrying their big ass guns, or the cops decide you can no longer carry a big ass gun because you're freaking out the citizens?
Why would you ever think you'd need that anyway? The hell is wrong with a pistol?


Luckily the cops don't get to make up the laws as they go along.  And the free exercise of rights is not about need.
 
2014-05-05 06:35:50 PM  

AspectRatio: Dear Adolescent Gun-Humpers,

You sure seem fearful. If you don't carry your guns around, are you are constantly on the verge of shiatting your pants?

Sincerely,
The Grown-Ups


Dear Bigot,

Please learn a little about what your talking about rather then going off half-cocked based only on your ignorant assumptions.

Sincerely,
The rest of us
 
2014-05-05 06:37:13 PM  
They went to Jack in the Box instead of Taco Bell because Jack in the Box only uses "100% Stand Your Ground Beef."
 
2014-05-05 06:37:36 PM  

100 Watt Walrus: Bit'O'Gristle: And note to the employees? Armed robbers generally dont walk into a store with slung rifles, in a large group, and just stand there waiting to order. Criminals tend to HIDE their weapons, and pull them out suddenly. You being startled is understandable, but hiding in the back when it was obvious they were just wanting to order was a bit pussy.

I'm glad we have an eye witness here to tell us what really happened. I'm glad you can tell us first-hand that a bunch of guys with high-powered weapons walking into your place of business is nothing to be alarmed about, and that it's far better to assume no ill intent from burly assholes with the capacity to kill with with a twitch of their finger.


/yes, because every robbery i've seen has been by geeky white dudes walking in casually with slung firearms. Thats just what happens.
 
2014-05-05 06:37:44 PM  

Bit'O'Gristle: zarker: I know in this situation, the cops did respond, but if you call 911 and say "there's a man walking around with a big ass gun" would they just.. not respond? Because that's not particularly illegal? And if they do respond in every case, how long is it gonna take before people get tired of being questioned for carrying their big ass guns, or the cops decide you can no longer carry a big ass gun because you're freaking out the citizens?
Why would you ever think you'd need that anyway? The hell is wrong with a pistol?

/The police get calls for this all the time, and get to know the people out there attention whoring.  And its not the cops who decide if you carry or not, its state law, unless you break a law that has to do with you carrying.  And a pistol would not get the attention these people crave.



I thought someone shows up if you call 911 no matter what, either to handle the emergency or kick your ass for misusing 911.
 
2014-05-05 06:37:55 PM  

Callous: AspectRatio: Dear Adolescent Gun-Humpers,

You sure seem fearful. If you don't carry your guns around, are you are constantly on the verge of shiatting your pants?

Sincerely,
The Grown-Ups

Dear Bigot,

Please learn a little about what your talking about rather then going off half-cocked based only on your ignorant assumptions.

Sincerely,
The rest of us


Dear Callous,

Please learn what the term "bigot" means before you start using it as a synonym for "anyone who says something I don't like."

Sincerely,
Everyone else
 
2014-05-05 06:39:29 PM  

Callous: AspectRatio: Dear Adolescent Gun-Humpers,

You sure seem fearful. If you don't carry your guns around, are you are constantly on the verge of shiatting your pants?

Sincerely,
The Grown-Ups

Dear Bigot,

Please learn a little about what your talking about rather then going off half-cocked based only on your ignorant assumptions.

Sincerely,
The rest of us


/seconded.
 
2014-05-05 06:39:50 PM  

Callous: zarker: I know in this situation, the cops did respond, but if you call 911 and say "there's a man walking around with a big ass gun" would they just.. not respond? Because that's not particularly illegal? And if they do respond in every case, how long is it gonna take before people get tired of being questioned for carrying their big ass guns, or the cops decide you can no longer carry a big ass gun because you're freaking out the citizens?
Why would you ever think you'd need that anyway? The hell is wrong with a pistol?

Luckily the cops don't get to make up the laws as they go along.  And the free exercise of rights is not about need.


I know it's not about need but it seems like a huge hassle, and heavy, and you're probably never gonna end up using it.
And since three of you corrected me, I'll correct myself, "How long before the whoever it is that makes the law guy (judges? voters? congressmen? I guess I should've known it's not cops) decides you can no longer carry a big ass gun because you're freaking out the citizens?"
 
2014-05-05 06:40:02 PM  

Callous: Isitoveryet: wow, those patriots are moar patriotic than any of you could ever fake being.

they are moar patriotic than Uncle Sam snorting coke off a hookers ass through a rolled up Constitution in church while segregating teh population into income groups.

/do all Americans suffer from an inferiority complex?

No, but it appears many have an irrational fear of weapons.



Fearing an unknown group of armed dudes walking into your workplace isn't irrational.  That's totally rational, because that's how armed robberies happen, especially in fastfood joints and quickie marts.

Unless it's hunting season and you work at Cabela's...then those guys are most likely good paying customers.
 
2014-05-05 06:42:27 PM  

Callous: Luckily the cops don't get to make up the laws as they go along. And the free exercise of rights is not about need.


So how do you think this should be handled.  When the cops get a phone call about a bunch of armed assholes carrying rifles into a restaurant, should the cops just say "Hey, that's legal, we'll ignore it"?  Or should the cops respond - thus using up some of their time and keeping them from other duties?
 
2014-05-05 06:43:11 PM  

Theaetetus: JuggleGeek: The employee should have taken a pen and paper and written a note saying "We reserve the right not to serve assholes with weapons".

Or just said "GTFO, or you're trespassing." You don't need to have a specially written policy to refuse service to people carrying weapons.


www.mydoorsign.com
 
2014-05-05 06:46:07 PM  

fusillade762: Theaetetus: JuggleGeek: The employee should have taken a pen and paper and written a note saying "We reserve the right not to serve assholes with weapons".

Or just said "GTFO, or you're trespassing." You don't need to have a specially written policy to refuse service to people carrying weapons.

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/Ya, that doesn't work so well.  It has been tried.  You can't tell someone they are trespassing, when its a public access building like a fast food joint. There have been may court cases.
 
2014-05-05 06:47:02 PM  

Bonzo_1116: Fearing an unknown group of armed dudes walking into your workplace isn't irrational. That's totally rational, because that's how armed robberies happen, especially in fastfood joints and quickie marts.


I had a part time job running dart tournaments in a bar.  One Friday night four armed dudes (one shotgun and two pistols visible)  walked in and robbed everyone in the place.  (Idiots didn't take the money from the cash register, though.)  They took wallets, purses, and any electronics (cell phones, tablets, i-pods, whatever.)
 
2014-05-05 06:48:03 PM  

JuggleGeek: Callous: Luckily the cops don't get to make up the laws as they go along. And the free exercise of rights is not about need.

So how do you think this should be handled.  When the cops get a phone call about a bunch of armed assholes carrying rifles into a restaurant, should the cops just say "Hey, that's legal, we'll ignore it"?  Or should the cops respond - thus using up some of their time and keeping them from other duties?


/they HAVE to respond. Every time. No, a "man with a gun" doesn't actually mean a law has been broken, but the police are obligated to check it out.  So yes, they waste their time and taxpayer money, giving these people the attention they want, on your buck.
 
2014-05-05 06:48:06 PM  

basemetal: The men were Open Carry Firearm demonstrators who were protesting their rights to carry firearms in public.

Protesting their rights........or demonstrating their rights.......?

/anyway, I hope the cops are called on you every time you carry your AR into a business/public place.
//you want a reaction, I hope you like police reaction
///I'm all for concealed carry, but carrying around your AR in public like that is just stupid.


Each one of these attention whores just wants everyone in the vicinity to know that "I can kill all of you, at any time"


Idiots.
 
2014-05-05 06:48:20 PM  
You know... Maybe if they wore suits and kinda looked bad ass respectable I might be able to support such shenanigans. They look like the typical neck beard white trash 'murica type hooligans and are unrepresentative (or God I hope so) of the majority of American gun owners. Carrying a side arm is one thing but damn really. What could possibly happen at a Jack in the Box that would require a rifle. Just sayn'.
 
2014-05-05 06:48:38 PM  

Callous: FarkinBastard: I understand 'protesting your right"???, but It'd make me nervous sitting there with my chitlins, eating a greaseburger.

It'd sure help if everyone who leaves a comment here states if they have ever actually seen or handled a gun in person.

//gots guns

It would only make me nervous if I saw some kind of unsafe handling of the rifles.


Pretty much this. A slung and unloaded rifle doesn't worry me too much..but in fairness I do not see a need to carry a long rifle in public unless it's deer season.

/CHL in Texas
 
2014-05-05 06:48:39 PM  
...and then they politely ordered their food and left. Just like every other time.

The OC demonstrations aren't my cup of tea, but you'd think people would eventually stop wigging out over them after the umpteenth time an OC group shows up somewhere and calmly goes about their business.
 
2014-05-05 06:49:37 PM  
Oh, just look at all the pants-pissing CCs(Cowardly Carrys) in this thread quaking in the shadow of Real Men.

www.opencarrytexas.org

j/k
 
2014-05-05 06:50:25 PM  
Enjoy your AR, m'kay? But does it have to go in the store with you?

/Christ - even my 4-yr old knows that her toys stay in the car.
 
2014-05-05 06:50:59 PM  

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Oh, just look at all the pants-pissing CCs(Cowardly Carrys) in this thread quaking in the shadow of Real Men.

[www.opencarrytexas.org image 850x566]

j/k


1/10 but you might get some bites.
 
2014-05-05 06:52:11 PM  
I would have the exact same reaction to that group walking in to a fast-food restaurant with long arms, as I would if they were wearing string bikinis.

sure, they're *allowed* to wear string bikinis to Jack in the Box.  but why the fark would they *want* to?
 
2014-05-05 06:52:43 PM  
It occurs to me that following those guys back to their car, sticking a pistol their head and stealing their rifles would net you what 2-300 dollars a pop? Hell I bet they have backup rifles in their car.
 
2014-05-05 06:53:16 PM  

fusillade762: Theaetetus: JuggleGeek: The employee should have taken a pen and paper and written a note saying "We reserve the right not to serve assholes with weapons".

Or just said "GTFO, or you're trespassing." You don't need to have a specially written policy to refuse service to people carrying weapons.

[www.mydoorsign.com image 400x290]


Interestingly, posting that sign in your public establishment is actually illegal in some states. It's also factually untrue.
It's far better to, as I said, simply tell the assholes to GTFO. Pointing at a sign is passive aggressive, at best.
 
2014-05-05 06:53:21 PM  

Bit'O'Gristle: /Ya, that doesn't work so well. It has been tried. You can't tell someone they are trespassing, when its a public access building like a fast food joint. There have been may court cases.


It's not trespassing when they walk in - but once you tell them to leave, if they refuse, it's trespassing.

Vagrants walk into restaurants and start asking people for money.  The restaurants tell them to GTFO.  If they don't leave, the cops will arrest them.  This is the same thing - someone is told "You aren't welcome here", and if they won't leave, the cops will deal with it.

To me, a rifle in your hand is very, very different that a pistol in your holster.  the only reason you have that gun in your hand is to be a threat.  I'm not going to treat you like a customer while you threaten me.
 
2014-05-05 06:53:29 PM  

skyotter: I would have the exact same reaction to that group walking in to a fast-food restaurant with long arms, as I would if they were wearing string bikinis.

sure, they're *allowed* to wear string bikinis to Jack in the Box.  but why the fark would they *want* to?


/Attention whores..that is all. Adult "barely" game of "everyone look at me"
 
2014-05-05 06:54:02 PM  
As a lover of things that go BOOM, I wish these ass wipe inbred worthless waste of resources would just accidentally shoot each other.
 
2014-05-05 06:54:06 PM  

zarker: I know in this situation, the cops did respond, but if you call 911 and say "there's a man walking around with a big ass gun" would they just.. not respond? Because that's not particularly illegal? And if they do respond in every case, how long is it gonna take before people get tired of being questioned for carrying their big ass guns, or the cops decide you can no longer carry a big ass gun because you're freaking out the citizens?
Why would you ever think you'd need that anyway? The hell is wrong with a pistol?


This winter I was walking into work at like 5:45 in the morning and after yelling at me as I approached him, a guy stopped in front of me and said "I have two Glocks in my bag."  He was carrying a backpack that looked like it was mostly empty except for what could be the weight of two pistols in the bottom.  I said "Ok," and after a pause that seemed like forever, guy just said, "they're not for you though, they're for some other ni***rs."  And he started walking away still shouting "I've got two Glocks in my bag!  Damn straight I called the police.
 
2014-05-05 06:54:13 PM  

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Oh, just look at all the pants-pissing CCs(Cowardly Carrys) in this thread quaking in the shadow of Real Men.

[www.opencarrytexas.org image 850x566]

j/k


Dude you can't diss American Package! He is a real potato hero.
 
2014-05-05 06:54:33 PM  
I wonder what would happen if a bunch of Black guys or people dressed in traditional Saudi clothes walked in to a fast food place with AKs.
I kinda doubt the police or they typical open carry twatpimple would say "They were just exercising their rights."
 
2014-05-05 06:55:15 PM  

Doktor_Zhivago: Ashyukun: brandishing assholes

unfortunately this is still illegal in most places


Not only that, but apparently everyone is carrying one concealed. Some with silencers. The deadliest kind.
 
2014-05-05 06:55:24 PM  
Bit'O'Gristle
/Ya, that doesn't work so well. It has been tried. You can't tell someone they are trespassing, when its a public access building like a fast food joint. There have been may court cases.


www.safetysupplywarehouse.com
 
2014-05-05 06:55:36 PM  

Theaetetus: Pointing at a sign is passive aggressive, at best.


Waving your rifle around is fine, pointing at a sign is aggressive. Got it.
 
2014-05-05 06:55:49 PM  

tripleseven: Each one of these attention whores just wants everyone in the vicinity to know that "I can kill all of you, at any time"


THIS.
Hey, you NRA cosplayers? Yeah, you're not helping your cause. Grow up. You look like attention-whoring toddler-men to literally everyone else around you. And you are the reason that your precious Second Amendment will likely be repealed some time in the next three decades.
 
2014-05-05 06:57:34 PM  

Bit'O'Gristle: fusillade762: Theaetetus: JuggleGeek: The employee should have taken a pen and paper and written a note saying "We reserve the right not to serve assholes with weapons".

Or just said "GTFO, or you're trespassing." You don't need to have a specially written policy to refuse service to people carrying weapons.

[www.mydoorsign.com image 400x290]

/Ya, that doesn't work so well.  It has been tried.  You can't tell someone they are trespassing, when its a public access building like a fast food joint. There have been may court cases.


Yes, it works just fine, has been tried and upheld all over the place, and with all due respect, I believe you're confusing "court cases" with "bullshiat". In particular, you may be confusing this situation with people who refuse service based on an identified trait in the federal or relevant state's civil rights acts.
 
2014-05-05 06:57:45 PM  

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Oh, just look at all the pants-pissing CCs(Cowardly Carrys) in this thread quaking in the shadow of Real Men.

[www.opencarrytexas.org image 850x566]

j/k


USA Bodysuit Man needs to take it down a notch.
 
2014-05-05 06:57:52 PM  

Slaves2Darkness: It occurs to me that following those guys back to their car, sticking a pistol their head and stealing their rifles would net you what 2-300 dollars a pop? Hell I bet they have backup rifles in their car.


Oh, MUCH more than that. Ever since we elected a filthy mulatto as President  and the WORMS (White Old Rural Male Southerners) collectively shiat themselves AR prices have shot through the roof. Expect to pay at least $800
 
2014-05-05 06:58:15 PM  
Nina_Hartley's_Ass
Oh, just look at all the pants-pissing CCs(Cowardly Carrys) in this thread quaking in the shadow of Real Men.


Captain America in his greenman look just does not work. I want to write him a fashion citation.
 
2014-05-05 06:58:17 PM  

JuggleGeek: Theaetetus: Pointing at a sign is passive aggressive, at best.

Waving your rifle around is fine, pointing at a sign is aggressive. Got it.


No, the former is aggressive, while the latter is passive aggressive.
 
2014-05-05 06:58:25 PM  
I invite these gentlemen to do this at a Williams Family fried chicken.
 
2014-05-05 06:58:56 PM  

JuggleGeek: Bit'O'Gristle: /Ya, that doesn't work so well. It has been tried. You can't tell someone they are trespassing, when its a public access building like a fast food joint. There have been may court cases.

It's not trespassing when they walk in - but once you tell them to leave, if they refuse, it's trespassing.

Vagrants walk into restaurants and start asking people for money.  The restaurants tell them to GTFO.  If they don't leave, the cops will arrest them.  This is the same thing - someone is told "You aren't welcome here", and if they won't leave, the cops will deal with it.

To me, a rifle in your hand is very, very different that a pistol in your holster.  the only reason you have that gun in your hand is to be a threat.  I'm not going to treat you like a customer while you threaten me.


/i hear what you are saying, but the vagrants were breaking the law by panhadeling ...which is a crime. Walking into a public place "access" with a legal weapon is not agasint the law, and they are bound by law to serve them.  The myth of "i dont have to serve you" has been taken to court many times. If they would have thrown them out, they would have opened themselves to litigation.
 
2014-05-05 06:59:52 PM  

AspectRatio: And you are the reason that your precious Second Amendment will likely be repealed some time in the next three decades


media.tumblr.com
 
2014-05-05 07:00:53 PM  
i love this.  of course many will completely miss the point they were making but i do love this.  it illustrates perfectly how most of society simply wont be prepared for such a completely lawful gathering.  they specifically wanted to see what people would think if 10+ people came in all adorned visibly with guns, and not just pistols.  sure, they really didnt want to 'scare' but they werent so naive as to know they wouldnt.  the average store manager generally isnt equipped to handle any basic human altercation let alone one like this.

these pro guns guys wanted everyone to know that all it will take is a few TERRIBLE misunderstandings to cause public panic.  luckily this one didnt turn sour.  when the cops came everything was good, they were legal, and that particular store manager mightve learned some kind of lesson on how not to overreact.   either way, it was a good illustration of how a law might not have totally been thought threw.
 
2014-05-05 07:02:00 PM  
Bit'O'Gristle
/i hear what you are saying, but the vagrants were breaking the law by panhadeling ...which is a crime. Walking into a public place "access" with a legal weapon is not agasint the law, and they are bound by law to serve them. The myth of "i dont have to serve you" has been taken to court many times. If they would have thrown them out, they would have opened themselves to litigation.


I see 'no guns' in businesses all the time. How is this any different then 'no shoes, no shirt, no dice'?
 
2014-05-05 07:02:36 PM  

nijika: So what I find funny about this is that they suppose they are advocates but they're doing horrible PR.  They also have the hubris to assume that they won't have an accidental discharge, treating their guns like decorations.  You could argue that they might be responsible owners and they wouldn't be carrying fully loaded rifles around a family restaurant, but you know that's not how guys like this roll.  How would they be the big heroes if "it went down".

So they're strutting around with murder machines in a family joint.  Good work fellas, you've won another moral victory.

I say this as someone who is actually pro gun.


Did they say they were walking around with one in the chamber? I seriously hope not!
I'm pro gun myself, but not like this, it is dumb and provocative. Were there a need, we can argue about it then...

Here in Cali, technically (will be harassed non stop), I can open carry as long as the gun is empty. I can have a clip right next to it, and most people can load a pistol in a few seconds so that is viable in my book. Do I do it? NO! It is pointless and asking for trouble...
I know enough people to know that most people shouldn't walk around with loaded firearms, and I've avoided needing one for 30 years so yeah, have guns but don't be a gun slinger...
 
2014-05-05 07:02:47 PM  
I wonder if people in Israel lose their mind when they see people walking around everywhere with M16s
 
2014-05-05 07:03:35 PM  

Bit'O'Gristle: /they HAVE to respond. Every time. No, a "man with a gun" doesn't actually mean a law has been broken, but the police are obligated to check it out.  So yes, they waste their time and taxpayer money, giving these people the attention they want, on your buck.


And what happens is there were, oh, say a couple of thousand people doing it every day?  The article says "Dallas/Ft Worth", which doesn't do a lot to narrow it down, but in that area, there are millions of people.  A couple of thousand people is a tiny fraction, but it's enough that the cops couldn't get much else done.

I like their "We can do anything we want since it isn't illegal" plan.  Lets see how we can turn that around.

I think the cops should say "Yep, it's legal for you to do that, but you're being a jerk, and you're going to get treated like a jerk".

The next day, the guy leaves for work, gets pulled over.  Cop tells him "Looked like you were weaving, we're going to need to test you for alcohol.  We're going downtown".  If the guy passes the breathalyzer, let him go.  By then, of course, he's late for work - but that's his problem, and the cop, much like the asshole carrying the gun, did nothing illegal.

The next day, pull him over again.

And if he's set on continuing to be an asshole carrying a gun, he can get harassed every damn day.

Not to mention that if the guy drives a few miles an hour over the limit, ticket.  Rolls through a stop sign?  Ticket.  Accelerates just a little too fast?  Ticket.
 
2014-05-05 07:03:51 PM  

Bit'O'Gristle: JuggleGeek: Bit'O'Gristle: /Ya, that doesn't work so well. It has been tried. You can't tell someone they are trespassing, when its a public access building like a fast food joint. There have been may court cases.

It's not trespassing when they walk in - but once you tell them to leave, if they refuse, it's trespassing.

Vagrants walk into restaurants and start asking people for money.  The restaurants tell them to GTFO.  If they don't leave, the cops will arrest them.  This is the same thing - someone is told "You aren't welcome here", and if they won't leave, the cops will deal with it.

To me, a rifle in your hand is very, very different that a pistol in your holster.  the only reason you have that gun in your hand is to be a threat.  I'm not going to treat you like a customer while you threaten me.

/i hear what you are saying, but the vagrants were breaking the law by panhadeling ...which is a crime. Walking into a public place "access" with a legal weapon is not agasint the law, and they are bound by law to serve them.  The myth of "i dont have to serve you" has been taken to court many times. If they would have thrown them out, they would have opened themselves to litigation.


What if their very presence is causing a scene? They walk in, a couple of senior ladies start screeching and waving their arms around, so management asks them to leave. These guys definitely caused a scene, considering the damn employees panicked and ran for the hills. Employees are a lot easier to settle down than little old ladies though.
 
2014-05-05 07:04:11 PM  
I'm not a gun guy (not opposed to guns, either), but I gotta think that if you're a open-carry kinda fella, 'cause, you know, you're just not safe out there, why wouldn't you make the concealed carry leap? Sure you can walk around with your long gun, but is that really the best tool for the job? Your handgun, discreetly hidden on your person is probably the better option.

These guys are the weenuses, not the employees (as some other poster suggested.) If I'm in charge and these guys roll up, hell yeah I'm getting my employees out of harms way. That's just common sense (which open carry seems to be contrary to.)
 
2014-05-05 07:05:05 PM  

JuggleGeek: The next day, the guy leaves for work, gets pulled over.  Cop tells him "Looked like you were weaving, we're going to need to test you for alcohol.  We're going downtown".  If the guy passes the breathalyzer, let him go.  By then, of course, he's late for work - but that's his problem, and the cop, much like the asshole carrying the gun, did nothing illegal.

The next day, pull him over again.

And if he's set on continuing to be an asshole carrying a gun, he can get harassed every damn day.


Yeah, that'd be illegal.
 
2014-05-05 07:07:15 PM  

The Flexecutioner: these pro guns guys wanted everyone to know that all it will take is a few TERRIBLE misunderstandings to cause public panic. luckily this one didnt turn sour. when the cops came everything was good, they were legal, and that particular store manager mightve learned some kind of lesson on how not to overreact. either way, it was a good illustration of how a law might not have totally been thought threw.


How did the manager overreact?  Calling the cops when people start waving guns around is overreacting?
 
2014-05-05 07:09:20 PM  

Theaetetus: Callous: AspectRatio: Dear Adolescent Gun-Humpers,

You sure seem fearful. If you don't carry your guns around, are you are constantly on the verge of shiatting your pants?

Sincerely,
The Grown-Ups

Dear Bigot,

Please learn a little about what your talking about rather then going off half-cocked based only on your ignorant assumptions.

Sincerely,
The rest of us

Dear Callous,

Please learn what the term "bigot" means before you start using it as a synonym for "anyone who says something I don't like."

Sincerely,
Everyone else


If you don't see the bigotry in his statement I can't help you.
 
2014-05-05 07:09:34 PM  

Theaetetus: Yeah, that'd be illegal.


It's illegal for the cops to give someone a breath test?

It's illegal for them to give a guy a ticket if he speeds?

I don't think so.
 
2014-05-05 07:11:15 PM  

pedrop357: I wonder if people in Israel lose their mind when they see people walking around everywhere with M16s


What could that possibly have to do with anything?
 
2014-05-05 07:11:53 PM  

Callous: Isitoveryet: wow, those patriots are moar patriotic than any of you could ever fake being.

they are moar patriotic than Uncle Sam snorting coke off a hookers ass through a rolled up Constitution in church while segregating teh population into income groups.

/do all Americans suffer from an inferiority complex?

No, but it appears many have an irrational fear of weapons.


Yes is the correct answer.

---

Also, some day someone is going to shoot one of those assholes.
 
2014-05-05 07:12:09 PM  

JuggleGeek: Bit'O'Gristle: /they HAVE to respond. Every time. No, a "man with a gun" doesn't actually mean a law has been broken, but the police are obligated to check it out.  So yes, they waste their time and taxpayer money, giving these people the attention they want, on your buck.

And what happens is there were, oh, say a couple of thousand people doing it every day?  The article says "Dallas/Ft Worth", which doesn't do a lot to narrow it down, but in that area, there are millions of people.  A couple of thousand people is a tiny fraction, but it's enough that the cops couldn't get much else done.

I like their "We can do anything we want since it isn't illegal" plan.  Lets see how we can turn that around.

I think the cops should say "Yep, it's legal for you to do that, but you're being a jerk, and you're going to get treated like a jerk".

The next day, the guy leaves for work, gets pulled over.  Cop tells him "Looked like you were weaving, we're going to need to test you for alcohol.  We're going downtown".  If the guy passes the breathalyzer, let him go.  By then, of course, he's late for work - but that's his problem, and the cop, much like the asshole carrying the gun, did nothing illegal.

The next day, pull him over again.

And if he's set on continuing to be an asshole carrying a gun, he can get harassed every damn day.

Not to mention that if the guy drives a few miles an hour over the limit, ticket.  Rolls through a stop sign?  Ticket.  Accelerates just a little too fast?  Ticket.


So you want the police to harass people for doing totally legal things that you don't like?
 
2014-05-05 07:12:52 PM  

skinink: I want to see some minority gun owners walk down the streets in the towns where these guys live. See what the response is then.


Is that Mos Def?
 
2014-05-05 07:12:57 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: I want to see your gun about as much as I want to see your penis.  As in not at all.  So put that shiat away.


Their guns are their penises.
 
2014-05-05 07:12:59 PM  

pedrop357: I wonder if people in Israel lose their mind when they see people walking around everywhere with M16s


No, because the people walking around with M16s in Israel are trained uniformed military officers in a country whose citizens are under actual threat by actual enemies who actually want to kill them.

These open-carry buttholes? Not trained military, not uniformed, not under threat, and not protecting anyone from anything except the childish fantasy that exists in their cretinous imaginations.
 
2014-05-05 07:13:19 PM  

Enemabag Jones: I see 'no guns' in businesses all the time. How is this any different then 'no shoes, no shirt, no dice'?


He's going to keep lying about how he can carry his dick gun with him and nobody can say anything.

Wiki has a "Gun Laws In Texas" page.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_Texas#30.06_signage

TPC section 30.06 covers "Trespass by a person licensed to carry a concealed handgun". It allows a residential or commercial landowner to post signage that preemptively bars licensed persons from entering the premises while carrying concealed. It is a Class A misdemeanor to fail to heed compliant signage.
 
2014-05-05 07:13:34 PM  

JuggleGeek: The Flexecutioner: these pro guns guys wanted everyone to know that all it will take is a few TERRIBLE misunderstandings to cause public panic. luckily this one didnt turn sour. when the cops came everything was good, they were legal, and that particular store manager mightve learned some kind of lesson on how not to overreact. either way, it was a good illustration of how a law might not have totally been thought threw.

How did the manager overreact?  Calling the cops when people start waving guns around is overreacting?


oh, they were waving them around?  gotcha, Capt Hyperbole.  and no, the manager didnt overreact but he still learned how he couldve had the circumstances been different.
 
2014-05-05 07:13:59 PM  

spawn73: Callous: Isitoveryet: wow, those patriots are moar patriotic than any of you could ever fake being.

they are moar patriotic than Uncle Sam snorting coke off a hookers ass through a rolled up Constitution in church while segregating teh population into income groups.

/do all Americans suffer from an inferiority complex?

No, but it appears many have an irrational fear of weapons.

Yes is the correct answer.

---

Also, some day someone is going to shoot one of those assholes.



And that person will likely go to prison.
 
2014-05-05 07:14:01 PM  

This text is now purple: skinink: I want to see some minority gun owners walk down the streets in the towns where these guys live. See what the response is then.

Is that Mos Def?


He must have trouble getting gigs.
 
2014-05-05 07:14:21 PM  

Callous: So you want the police to harass people for doing totally legal things that you don't like?


And you want the police to be stuck spending all their time responding to assholes who get off on carrying rifles around to scare people.
 
2014-05-05 07:14:48 PM  
So their point is, "because we can"? 

Yeah, you can... and I can think you're second rate douchebags for doing it.
 
2014-05-05 07:15:16 PM  

spawn73: Callous: Isitoveryet: wow, those patriots are moar patriotic than any of you could ever fake being.

they are moar patriotic than Uncle Sam snorting coke off a hookers ass through a rolled up Constitution in church while segregating teh population into income groups.

/do all Americans suffer from an inferiority complex?

No, but it appears many have an irrational fear of weapons.

Yes is the correct answer.

---

Also, some day someone is going to shoot one of those assholes.


Which is exactly why places like Jack in The Crack are gonna post signs saying that they have a no weapons policy. A CC guy freaks, shoots a OC guy to death.... Yeah, that shiate isn't good for business (irrespective of which Carry guy was wrong or right.)
 
2014-05-05 07:15:45 PM  

The Flexecutioner: oh, they were waving them around?


They were doing their damn best to make sure everyone knew they had guns.

This isn't the same as someone carrying in a holster.
 
2014-05-05 07:16:29 PM  

Bit'O'Gristle: JuggleGeek: Callous: Luckily the cops don't get to make up the laws as they go along. And the free exercise of rights is not about need.

So how do you think this should be handled.  When the cops get a phone call about a bunch of armed assholes carrying rifles into a restaurant, should the cops just say "Hey, that's legal, we'll ignore it"?  Or should the cops respond - thus using up some of their time and keeping them from other duties?

/they HAVE to respond. Every time. No, a "man with a gun" doesn't actually mean a law has been broken, but the police are obligated to check it out.  So yes, they waste their time and taxpayer money, giving these people the attention they want, on your buck.


The police are under no legal obligation to respond to anything.
 
2014-05-05 07:16:58 PM  

JuggleGeek: Theaetetus: Yeah, that'd be illegal.

It's illegal for the cops to give someone a breath test?

It's illegal for them to give a guy a ticket if he speeds?

I don't think so.


Is it illegal for cops to stop someone without reasonable suspicion? Is it illegal for cops to engage in a pattern of harassment and falsification of reports?
Oh, yeah, it is.

Seriously, do you think judges are retarded?
 
2014-05-05 07:16:58 PM  

Bit'O'Gristle: 100 Watt Walrus: Bit'O'Gristle: And note to the employees? Armed robbers generally dont walk into a store with slung rifles, in a large group, and just stand there waiting to order. Criminals tend to HIDE their weapons, and pull them out suddenly. You being startled is understandable, but hiding in the back when it was obvious they were just wanting to order was a bit pussy.

I'm glad we have an eye witness here to tell us what really happened. I'm glad you can tell us first-hand that a bunch of guys with high-powered weapons walking into your place of business is nothing to be alarmed about, and that it's far better to assume no ill intent from burly assholes with the capacity to kill with with a twitch of their finger.

/yes, because every robbery i've seen has been by geeky white dudes walking in casually with slung firearms. Thats just what happens.


1) I'm sure you understand that your experience with robbery and firearms is not the common experience among the general population. Guns make a lot of people nervous. In the absence of a real threat, the presence of a gun can seem like a potential threat to an unarmed person. It's not unreasonable to want to get the hell away from strangers carrying major firepower into an enclosed space.

2) You have a very strange definition of "geeky."
 
2014-05-05 07:17:07 PM  

Theaetetus: JuggleGeek: The employee should have taken a pen and paper and written a note saying "We reserve the right not to serve assholes with weapons".

Or just said "GTFO, or you're trespassing." You don't need to have a specially written policy to refuse service to people carrying weapons.


farking NRA would be on them if they had done that.

They got the morons out of there, burgers in hand, live to do business with normal people another day.
 
2014-05-05 07:18:45 PM  

anuran: I wonder what would happen if a bunch of Black guys or people dressed in traditional Saudi clothes walked in to a fast food place with AKs.
I kinda doubt the police or they typical open carry twatpimple would say "They were just exercising their rights."


Maybe they'd even want to sit at the counter, or ride at the front of the bus.
 
2014-05-05 07:19:20 PM  

This text is now purple: Bit'O'Gristle: JuggleGeek: Callous: Luckily the cops don't get to make up the laws as they go along. And the free exercise of rights is not about need.

So how do you think this should be handled.  When the cops get a phone call about a bunch of armed assholes carrying rifles into a restaurant, should the cops just say "Hey, that's legal, we'll ignore it"?  Or should the cops respond - thus using up some of their time and keeping them from other duties?

/they HAVE to respond. Every time. No, a "man with a gun" doesn't actually mean a law has been broken, but the police are obligated to check it out.  So yes, they waste their time and taxpayer money, giving these people the attention they want, on your buck.

The police are under no legal obligation to respond to anything.


911 might disagree with you...
 
2014-05-05 07:19:47 PM  

JuggleGeek: Callous: So you want the police to harass people for doing totally legal things that you don't like?

And you want the police to be stuck spending all their time responding to assholes who get off on carrying rifles around to scare people.


So if racist arseholes kept calling the cops on every black person they saw "because we thought he/she was going to rob the place" you would be okay with the cops harassing black people to keep them away?

Or does this practice only apply to groups of people you don't like?
 
2014-05-05 07:20:23 PM  

spawn73: Theaetetus: JuggleGeek: The employee should have taken a pen and paper and written a note saying "We reserve the right not to serve assholes with weapons".

Or just said "GTFO, or you're trespassing." You don't need to have a specially written policy to refuse service to people carrying weapons.

farking NRA would be on them if they had done that.

They got the morons out of there, burgers in hand, live to do business with normal people another day.


Which is another point... If you scared the employees so much that they locked themselves in the freezer and waited for the cops to come, do you  really want to eat the burger they eventually bring you?
 
2014-05-05 07:20:41 PM  

Enemabag Jones: Bit'O'Gristle
/i hear what you are saying, but the vagrants were breaking the law by panhadeling ...which is a crime. Walking into a public place "access" with a legal weapon is not agasint the law, and they are bound by law to serve them. The myth of "i dont have to serve you" has been taken to court many times. If they would have thrown them out, they would have opened themselves to litigation.

I see 'no guns' in businesses all the time. How is this any different then 'no shoes, no shirt, no dice'?


The latter is health code.

Spitting will get you tossed out, too.
 
2014-05-05 07:21:05 PM  

spawn73: Also, some day someone is going to shoot one of those assholes.


SPOILER ALERT -- the shooter will be someone with a gun.
 
2014-05-05 07:21:57 PM  

Callous: JuggleGeek: Callous: So you want the police to harass people for doing totally legal things that you don't like?

And you want the police to be stuck spending all their time responding to assholes who get off on carrying rifles around to scare people.

So if racist arseholes kept calling the cops on every black person they saw "because we thought he/she was going to rob the place" you would be okay with the cops harassing black people to keep them away?

Or does this practice only apply to groups of people you don't like?


Wait, you mean you have a choice to be black?
 
2014-05-05 07:22:39 PM  

JuggleGeek: The Flexecutioner: oh, they were waving them around?

They were doing their damn best to make sure everyone knew they had guns.

This isn't the same as someone carrying in a holster.


nor is it the same as waving them around, which was stupid hyperbole.
 
2014-05-05 07:22:39 PM  

Callous: So if racist arseholes kept calling the cops on every black person they saw "because we thought he/she was going to rob the place" you would be okay with the cops harassing black people to keep them away?

Or does this practice only apply to groups of people you don't like?


Sorry, you racist asshole, but being the color you are born is not the same as choosing to threaten people with your rifle.
 
2014-05-05 07:23:10 PM  

This text is now purple: Enemabag Jones: Bit'O'Gristle
/i hear what you are saying, but the vagrants were breaking the law by panhadeling ...which is a crime. Walking into a public place "access" with a legal weapon is not agasint the law, and they are bound by law to serve them. The myth of "i dont have to serve you" has been taken to court many times. If they would have thrown them out, they would have opened themselves to litigation.

I see 'no guns' in businesses all the time. How is this any different then 'no shoes, no shirt, no dice'?

The latter is health code.


Nope, that's a mythSo, currently, we have answers from the health departments (and/or agriculture departments as may apply) of all 50 states dated 2009 or later, and all confirm there are no state health department regulations requiring footwear in any business.

Of course, individual businesses are free to refuse service on those grounds.
 
2014-05-05 07:23:17 PM  

loaba: This text is now purple: Bit'O'Gristle: JuggleGeek: Callous: Luckily the cops don't get to make up the laws as they go along. And the free exercise of rights is not about need.

So how do you think this should be handled.  When the cops get a phone call about a bunch of armed assholes carrying rifles into a restaurant, should the cops just say "Hey, that's legal, we'll ignore it"?  Or should the cops respond - thus using up some of their time and keeping them from other duties?

/they HAVE to respond. Every time. No, a "man with a gun" doesn't actually mean a law has been broken, but the police are obligated to check it out.  So yes, they waste their time and taxpayer money, giving these people the attention they want, on your buck.

The police are under no legal obligation to respond to anything.

911 might disagree with you...


SCOTUS agrees with him.
 
2014-05-05 07:23:23 PM  

Theaetetus: JuggleGeek: Theaetetus: Yeah, that'd be illegal.

It's illegal for the cops to give someone a breath test?

It's illegal for them to give a guy a ticket if he speeds?

I don't think so.

Is it illegal for cops to stop someone without reasonable suspicion? Is it illegal for cops to engage in a pattern of harassment and falsification of reports?
Oh, yeah, it is.

Seriously, do you think judges are retarded?


Yes, but they frown on that sort of thing anyway.
 
2014-05-05 07:25:06 PM  

JuggleGeek: Callous: So if racist arseholes kept calling the cops on every black person they saw "because we thought he/she was going to rob the place" you would be okay with the cops harassing black people to keep them away?

Or does this practice only apply to groups of people you don't like?

Sorry, you racist asshole, but being the color you are born is not the same as choosing to threaten people with your rifle.


these guys weren't choosing to threaten people with their rifles.  stop inaccurately describing the scenario to fit your outrage.
 
2014-05-05 07:25:32 PM  
Theaetetus
The latter is health code.
Spitting will get you tossed out, too.


I rather like that. Walking in without shoes is a healthcode violation. But a handful of men walking in with tacticool ar15's is not.

For fun lets make those guy with AR15's of arab desent and see if that changes anything about what just happened.
 
2014-05-05 07:26:14 PM  

loaba: Callous: JuggleGeek: Callous: So you want the police to harass people for doing totally legal things that you don't like?

And you want the police to be stuck spending all their time responding to assholes who get off on carrying rifles around to scare people.

So if racist arseholes kept calling the cops on every black person they saw "because we thought he/she was going to rob the place" you would be okay with the cops harassing black people to keep them away?

Or does this practice only apply to groups of people you don't like?

Wait, you mean you have a choice to be black?


Please explain how that has anything to do with it.
 
2014-05-05 07:26:49 PM  

Callous: loaba: This text is now purple: Bit'O'Gristle: JuggleGeek: Callous: Luckily the cops don't get to make up the laws as they go along. And the free exercise of rights is not about need.

So how do you think this should be handled.  When the cops get a phone call about a bunch of armed assholes carrying rifles into a restaurant, should the cops just say "Hey, that's legal, we'll ignore it"?  Or should the cops respond - thus using up some of their time and keeping them from other duties?

/they HAVE to respond. Every time. No, a "man with a gun" doesn't actually mean a law has been broken, but the police are obligated to check it out.  So yes, they waste their time and taxpayer money, giving these people the attention they want, on your buck.

The police are under no legal obligation to respond to anything.

911 might disagree with you...

SCOTUS agrees with him.


Well ain't that a biatch
 
2014-05-05 07:27:28 PM  

This text is now purple: The police are under no legal obligation to respond to anything.


They have to respond to every 911 call.
 
2014-05-05 07:28:32 PM  

Enemabag Jones: Bit'O'Gristle
/Ya, that doesn't work so well. It has been tried. You can't tell someone they are trespassing, when its a public access building like a fast food joint. There have been may court cases.

[www.safetysupplywarehouse.com image 394x285]


What do you have against Rugers?   I guess it's ok if I carry my Smith and Wesson.


Since this was in Texas, there are specific requirements for a no-firearms allowed sign,


Section 30.05 of the Texas Penal Code deals with Criminal Trespass. Under the statute, a person commits the offense of trespass if he enters or remains on or in the property of another (including vehicles and buildings) without effective consent and he had "notice" that the entry was forbidden or he received "notice" to depart, but failed to do so.

30.06 modifies. Section 30.06 deals with those special circumstances when a CHL can be charged with trespass. Section 30.06 is titled "Trespass by Holder of License to Carry Concealed Handgun." It addresses some of the unique questions presented by CHLs and the issue of trespass.
 
2014-05-05 07:28:43 PM  

Callous: spawn73: Callous: Isitoveryet: wow, those patriots are moar patriotic than any of you could ever fake being.

they are moar patriotic than Uncle Sam snorting coke off a hookers ass through a rolled up Constitution in church while segregating teh population into income groups.

/do all Americans suffer from an inferiority complex?

No, but it appears many have an irrational fear of weapons.

Yes is the correct answer.

---

Also, some day someone is going to shoot one of those assholes.


And that person will likely go to prison.


It will be an interesting case, thats for sure.

Kinda like how Pistorious is claiming he didn't know who was in his bathroom, so he shot his girlfriend. Because, as gunnuts will agree with me, not knowing who is in your bathroom is reason enough to kill them.


I'm not wishing the death of anyone, just thinking that some day, someone will also have a gun, and shoot them.

And then, what now?
 
2014-05-05 07:29:34 PM  

Callous: loaba: Callous: JuggleGeek: Callous: So you want the police to harass people for doing totally legal things that you don't like?

And you want the police to be stuck spending all their time responding to assholes who get off on carrying rifles around to scare people.

So if racist arseholes kept calling the cops on every black person they saw "because we thought he/she was going to rob the place" you would be okay with the cops harassing black people to keep them away?

Or does this practice only apply to groups of people you don't like?

Wait, you mean you have a choice to be black?

Please explain how that has anything to do with it.


Please explain how a black person walking into a place is the same thing as a group of armed men walking into a place.
 
2014-05-05 07:29:57 PM  
I'm a pro-gun, pro-concealed carry, pro-open carry, prior CCW permit holding combat vet gun nut, and I came here to say these guys are douchers.  Please don't judge the pro-gun movement by the likes of these AW'ing fegits.
 
2014-05-05 07:29:57 PM  
These guys are American heroes. There would be zero mass shootings if 5% of the population was packing heat.
 
2014-05-05 07:30:08 PM  

Mugato: This text is now purple: The police are under no legal obligation to respond to anything.

They have to respond to every 911 call.


No they don't.
 
2014-05-05 07:30:13 PM  

loaba: spawn73: Callous: Isitoveryet: wow, those patriots are moar patriotic than any of you could ever fake being.

they are moar patriotic than Uncle Sam snorting coke off a hookers ass through a rolled up Constitution in church while segregating teh population into income groups.

/do all Americans suffer from an inferiority complex?

No, but it appears many have an irrational fear of weapons.

Yes is the correct answer.

---

Also, some day someone is going to shoot one of those assholes.

Which is exactly why places like Jack in The Crack are gonna post signs saying that they have a no weapons policy. A CC guy freaks, shoots a OC guy to death.... Yeah, that shiate isn't good for business (irrespective of which Carry guy was wrong or right.)


Dude, you just know NRA is going to protest them then. I think, no sign, and just hope the idiots don't come back.
 
2014-05-05 07:31:01 PM  

loaba: Callous: loaba: Callous: JuggleGeek: Callous: So you want the police to harass people for doing totally legal things that you don't like?

And you want the police to be stuck spending all their time responding to assholes who get off on carrying rifles around to scare people.

So if racist arseholes kept calling the cops on every black person they saw "because we thought he/she was going to rob the place" you would be okay with the cops harassing black people to keep them away?

Or does this practice only apply to groups of people you don't like?

Wait, you mean you have a choice to be black?

Please explain how that has anything to do with it.

Please explain how a black person walking into a place is the same thing as a group of armed men walking into a place.


They both have the right to do what they did.
 
2014-05-05 07:31:06 PM  
 
2014-05-05 07:31:56 PM  

loaba: Callous: loaba: Callous: JuggleGeek: Callous: So you want the police to harass people for doing totally legal things that you don't like?

And you want the police to be stuck spending all their time responding to assholes who get off on carrying rifles around to scare people.

So if racist arseholes kept calling the cops on every black person they saw "because we thought he/she was going to rob the place" you would be okay with the cops harassing black people to keep them away?

Or does this practice only apply to groups of people you don't like?

Wait, you mean you have a choice to be black?

Please explain how that has anything to do with it.

Please explain how a black person walking into a place is the same thing as a group of armed men walking into a place.


Both actions are legal and both had the cops called on them for the mere perception of possible harm.
 
2014-05-05 07:32:31 PM  

The Flexecutioner: these guys weren't choosing to threaten people with their rifles.  stop inaccurately describing the scenario to fit your outrage.


Why did the employees hide and call the cops?

Because they felt threatened.  Which is exactly what the gun nuts wanted.
 
2014-05-05 07:34:36 PM  
Asshole rule: Assholes just become bigger assholes...Next they'll be showing up at church with their guns
 
2014-05-05 07:35:01 PM  

trevzie: These guys are American heroes. There would be zero mass shootings if 5% of the population was packing heat.


I'm fine with "packing heat".  In your holster, I'm fine with it.  I see it quite often, too.  Doesn't bother me a bit, I hardly notice.

A rifle in your hand is a different story.  Any gun in your hand is quite different from one in a holster.
 
2014-05-05 07:35:59 PM  

JuggleGeek: The Flexecutioner: these guys weren't choosing to threaten people with their rifles.  stop inaccurately describing the scenario to fit your outrage.

Why did the employees hide and call the cops?

Because they felt threatened.  Which is exactly what the gun nuts wanted.


And now you can read the minds of people in a picture?
 
2014-05-05 07:36:32 PM  

Callous: loaba: Callous: loaba: Callous: JuggleGeek: Callous: So you want the police to harass people for doing totally legal things that you don't like?

And you want the police to be stuck spending all their time responding to assholes who get off on carrying rifles around to scare people.

So if racist arseholes kept calling the cops on every black person they saw "because we thought he/she was going to rob the place" you would be okay with the cops harassing black people to keep them away?

Or does this practice only apply to groups of people you don't like?

Wait, you mean you have a choice to be black?

Please explain how that has anything to do with it.

Please explain how a black person walking into a place is the same thing as a group of armed men walking into a place.

They both have the right to do what they did.


Being black isn't a right and it's wrong to deny them access, based solely on their race. While it is a right to wheel your long gun into a store, it is not wrong (meaning discriminatory) if you're asked to leave.

That's the difference. Call the cops on the black guy, for nothing other than race. Get sued. Have fun with that.
 
2014-05-05 07:36:41 PM  

JuggleGeek: The Flexecutioner: these guys weren't choosing to threaten people with their rifles.  stop inaccurately describing the scenario to fit your outrage.

Why did the employees hide and call the cops?

Because they felt threatened.  Which is exactly what the gun nuts wanted.


geez.  you simply dont understand the definition of threaten.  people THINK they are being threatened when they are not being threatened.  ya know, like how an old white lady clutches the purse when a black man gets into the same elevator.  she THINKS he's going to rob her but he actually is just going to some floor and the whole time not doing anything even remotely threatening other than being black.
 
2014-05-05 07:36:54 PM  

The Flexecutioner: loaba: Callous: loaba: Callous: JuggleGeek: Callous: So you want the police to harass people for doing totally legal things that you don't like?

And you want the police to be stuck spending all their time responding to assholes who get off on carrying rifles around to scare people.

So if racist arseholes kept calling the cops on every black person they saw "because we thought he/she was going to rob the place" you would be okay with the cops harassing black people to keep them away?

Or does this practice only apply to groups of people you don't like?

Wait, you mean you have a choice to be black?

Please explain how that has anything to do with it.

Please explain how a black person walking into a place is the same thing as a group of armed men walking into a place.

Both actions are legal and both had the cops called on them for the mere perception of possible harm.


Yeah but one is entirely avoidable. It's expected that people are gonna worry about a guy with a gun. It's acceptable behavior to be afraid of the guy with a gun. It shouldn't be expected that someone would fear a black guy, and it's generally not accepted behavior to be afraid of a black guy.
It's not his fault people are scared of him, he didn't chose to be black. However, if you chose to bring a gun, you're gonna freak people out.
 
2014-05-05 07:40:06 PM  

loaba: Callous: loaba: Callous: loaba: Callous: JuggleGeek: Callous: So you want the police to harass people for doing totally legal things that you don't like?

And you want the police to be stuck spending all their time responding to assholes who get off on carrying rifles around to scare people.

So if racist arseholes kept calling the cops on every black person they saw "because we thought he/she was going to rob the place" you would be okay with the cops harassing black people to keep them away?

Or does this practice only apply to groups of people you don't like?

Wait, you mean you have a choice to be black?

Please explain how that has anything to do with it.

Please explain how a black person walking into a place is the same thing as a group of armed men walking into a place.

They both have the right to do what they did.

Being black isn't a right and it's wrong to deny them access, based solely on their race. While it is a right to wheel your long gun into a store, it is not wrong (meaning discriminatory) if you're asked to leave.

That's the difference. Call the cops on the black guy, for nothing other than race. Get sued. Have fun with that.


Ok, so you do approve of treating groups of people you don't like differently.
 
2014-05-05 07:40:06 PM  

JuggleGeek: trevzie: These guys are American heroes. There would be zero mass shootings if 5% of the population was packing heat.

I'm fine with "packing heat".  In your holster, I'm fine with it.  I see it quite often, too.  Doesn't bother me a bit, I hardly notice.

A rifle in your hand is a different story.  Any gun in your hand is quite different from one in a holster.



That's pretty sensible. It is a bit needlessly provocative to have it so clearly in the open.

However you do have to give it to these guys, it was some pretty impressive real life trolling.
 
2014-05-05 07:40:25 PM  

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: pedrop357: I wonder if people in Israel lose their mind when they see people walking around everywhere with M16s

Probably not.

Israel limits gun ownership to security workers, people who transport valuables or explosives, residents of the West Bank, and hunters. People who don't fall into one of those categories cannot obtain a firearm permit. Moreover, Israel rejects 40 percent of firearm permit applicants, the highest rejection rate in the Western world. Both Switzerland and Israel require yearly (or more frequent) permit renewals to insure that the reasons are still applicable.



The guy selling popsicles out of the little cart near my aunt's house in Herzliyya Beach was packing heat.  Looked like a 9mm, and it was proudly displayed above a magnificently hairly plumber's special when he bent down into the freezer to get you your icecreams.

Probably a reservist, allowed to carry because icecream man is a cash business, yo.
 
2014-05-05 07:41:38 PM  

zarker: The Flexecutioner: loaba: Callous: loaba: Callous: JuggleGeek: Callous: So you want the police to harass people for doing totally legal things that you don't like?

And you want the police to be stuck spending all their time responding to assholes who get off on carrying rifles around to scare people.

So if racist arseholes kept calling the cops on every black person they saw "because we thought he/she was going to rob the place" you would be okay with the cops harassing black people to keep them away?

Or does this practice only apply to groups of people you don't like?

Wait, you mean you have a choice to be black?

Please explain how that has anything to do with it.

Please explain how a black person walking into a place is the same thing as a group of armed men walking into a place.

Both actions are legal and both had the cops called on them for the mere perception of possible harm.

Yeah but one is entirely avoidable. It's expected that people are gonna worry about a guy with a gun. It's acceptable behavior to be afraid of the guy with a gun. It shouldn't be expected that someone would fear a black guy, and it's generally not accepted behavior to be afraid of a black guy.
It's not his fault people are scared of him, he didn't chose to be black. However, if you chose to bring a gun, you're gonna freak people out.


BINGO! that's the point these guys are making.  It's totally LEGAL to adorn yourself with guns in public.  They wanted to show that the public could lose their shiat over this and react poorly to a completely legal action.  These guys arent out to scare people but show you how the law itself will scare people.  The law itself.
 
2014-05-05 07:42:43 PM  

Theaetetus: JuggleGeek: Theaetetus: Yeah, that'd be illegal.

It's illegal for the cops to give someone a breath test?

It's illegal for them to give a guy a ticket if he speeds?

I don't think so.

Is it illegal for cops to stop someone without reasonable suspicion? Is it illegal for cops to engage in a pattern of harassment and falsification of reports?
Oh, yeah, it is.

Seriously, do you think judges are retarded?


El Thiso
 
2014-05-05 07:43:07 PM  
Let's ignore the whole "militia" part of the amendment for a second, because the bought-out courts decided to...let's just say it's a right to carry a weapon any time, any place. That doesn't change that it's still a horrible goddamn idea to walk around with a firearm out for all to see -- having a gun when you are not busy being a uniformed police officer, soldier, or security guard is announcing to the world that you are dangerous. The only reason to carry a weapon is to be dangerous.

And there are times for that. When you are the Black Panthers and you're tired of centuries of government-sanctioned oppression, then you announce that you're prepared to fight back. When you're a colonist and you find the treatment of your homeland untenable, you fight back.

However, when you're going out for a goddamn snack there's nothing that should indicate you would need to prepare for lethal combat. It's not just paranoia, it's paranoia that harms the people around them -- because yes, the time those Jack in the Box workers spent cowering in fear is psychological harm. And "because I can," even if true, isn't reason enough to inflict harm on someone else.
 
2014-05-05 07:44:05 PM  

Callous: loaba: Callous: loaba: Callous: loaba: Callous: JuggleGeek: Callous: So you want the police to harass people for doing totally legal things that you don't like?

And you want the police to be stuck spending all their time responding to assholes who get off on carrying rifles around to scare people.

So if racist arseholes kept calling the cops on every black person they saw "because we thought he/she was going to rob the place" you would be okay with the cops harassing black people to keep them away?

Or does this practice only apply to groups of people you don't like?

Wait, you mean you have a choice to be black?

Please explain how that has anything to do with it.

Please explain how a black person walking into a place is the same thing as a group of armed men walking into a place.

They both have the right to do what they did.

Being black isn't a right and it's wrong to deny them access, based solely on their race. While it is a right to wheel your long gun into a store, it is not wrong (meaning discriminatory) if you're asked to leave.

That's the difference. Call the cops on the black guy, for nothing other than race. Get sued. Have fun with that.

Ok, so you do approve of treating groups of people you don't like differently.


Get your words out of my mouth, please.
 
2014-05-05 07:45:04 PM  

Theaetetus: spawn73: Theaetetus: JuggleGeek: The employee should have taken a pen and paper and written a note saying "We reserve the right not to serve assholes with weapons".

Or just said "GTFO, or you're trespassing." You don't need to have a specially written policy to refuse service to people carrying weapons.

farking NRA would be on them if they had done that.

They got the morons out of there, burgers in hand, live to do business with normal people another day.

Which is another point... If you scared the employees so much that they locked themselves in the freezer and waited for the cops to come, do you  really want to eat the burger they eventually bring you?


I don't think theese people rank very high on the common sense meters, so yeah, they ate their burgers. ;)
 
2014-05-05 07:45:10 PM  

The Flexecutioner: BINGO! that's the point these guys are making.  It's totally LEGAL to adorn yourself with guns in public.  They wanted to show that the public could lose their shiat over this and react poorly to a completely legal action.  These guys arent out to scare people but show you how the law itself will scare people.  The law itself.


They didn't "react poorly". They reacted in a way that is completely reasonable to react. I'm not sure how the law is the scary part, unless you mean it's scary that men are allowed to carry murder machines around to public places.
 
2014-05-05 07:45:57 PM  

Scrotastic Method: Let's ignore the whole "militia" part of the amendment for a second... When you're a colonist and you find the treatment of your homeland untenable, you fight back.


You know that when the colonists banded together to shoot at the Redcoats, they were not part of an English-government approved militia, right? ;)
 
2014-05-05 07:46:01 PM  

skyotter: spawn73: Also, some day someone is going to shoot one of those assholes.

SPOILER ALERT -- the shooter will be someone with a gun.


I think more guns will solve that, like, two guns cancel out one?
 
2014-05-05 07:47:32 PM  

Theaetetus: Scrotastic Method: Let's ignore the whole "militia" part of the amendment for a second... When you're a colonist and you find the treatment of your homeland untenable, you fight back.

You know that when the colonists banded together to shoot at the Redcoats, they were not part of an English-government approved militia, right? ;)


The colonists were totally insurgents. Funny how history repeats itself.
 
2014-05-05 07:48:28 PM  
The Flexecutioner:

BINGO! that's the point these guys are making.  It's totally LEGAL to adorn yourself with guns in public.  They wanted to show that the public could lose their shiat over this and react poorly to a completely legal action.  These guys arent out to scare people but show you how the law itself will scare people.  The law itself.

ummmm, I'm not imagining that the Open Carry advocates are wanting to repeal the laws that allow them to get a burger and fries while carrying their (hopefully) unloaded weapons.  The dudes who I saw doing this here in San Diego (it was at the Starbucks closest to the shooting range I go to) stated that they wanted to show the Starbucks staff and customers that not all people walking around with guns are scary.  They're just normal guys that want an iced coffee, and don't want to leave their guns in the truck.

It wasn't to show that the law is scary, in fact it was the opposite.  (There was also an element of trollery to it.)
 
2014-05-05 07:48:32 PM  

spawn73: I think more guns will solve that, like, two guns cancel out one?


31.media.tumblr.com
 
2014-05-05 07:48:36 PM  

zarker: The Flexecutioner: BINGO! that's the point these guys are making.  It's totally LEGAL to adorn yourself with guns in public.  They wanted to show that the public could lose their shiat over this and react poorly to a completely legal action.  These guys arent out to scare people but show you how the law itself will scare people.  The law itself.

They didn't "react poorly". They reacted in a way that is completely reasonable to react. I'm not sure how the law is the scary part, unless you mean it's scary that men are allowed to carry murder machines around to public places.


It's a bit unreasonable to call them "murder machines". I mean, what about unjustified self defense? Then they'd just be "manslaughter mechanisms".
 
2014-05-05 07:48:37 PM  

Callous: loaba: Callous: loaba: Callous: loaba: Callous: JuggleGeek: Callous: So you want the police to harass people for doing totally legal things that you don't like?

And you want the police to be stuck spending all their time responding to assholes who get off on carrying rifles around to scare people.

So if racist arseholes kept calling the cops on every black person they saw "because we thought he/she was going to rob the place" you would be okay with the cops harassing black people to keep them away?

Or does this practice only apply to groups of people you don't like?

Wait, you mean you have a choice to be black?

Please explain how that has anything to do with it.

Please explain how a black person walking into a place is the same thing as a group of armed men walking into a place.

They both have the right to do what they did.

Being black isn't a right and it's wrong to deny them access, based solely on their race. While it is a right to wheel your long gun into a store, it is not wrong (meaning discriminatory) if you're asked to leave.

That's the difference. Call the cops on the black guy, for nothing other than race. Get sued. Have fun with that.

Ok, so you do approve of treating groups of people you don't like differently.


Remember their farking faces, and deny them service when they aren't carrying a gun as well.
 
2014-05-05 07:48:47 PM  
As a rational adult, I don't worry much about people who are openly carrying firearms.  Billy Joe Bob with a deer rifle slung over his shoulder is less likely to hurt someone than an actual criminal with a knife in his pocket.  Heck, I'd rather Billy Joe Bob carry his rifle around where he can keep an eye on it than leave it in the gun rack in his truck where it's easy for a criminal to steal.  Tho, I guess in this day and age, gun racks are no longer legal.  Probably have to keep it in a locked box bolted to the bed of the truck.  With ammunition locked in a separate box also bolted to the bed of the truck.
 
2014-05-05 07:50:10 PM  
My first thought is they came to avenge those killed by food poisoning at Jack in the box in he 1990s.

Seriously if all your wanting to do is demonstrate your right to openly carry do it with less scary guns  gentlemen, Rifles ( especially assault style) and shot guns tend to scare the fark our of people,   Pistols so long as the are holstered not as much.

I know its your right to do so but some common sense can keep the cops from hassling you.
 
2014-05-05 07:51:24 PM  

zarker: The Flexecutioner: BINGO! that's the point these guys are making.  It's totally LEGAL to adorn yourself with guns in public.  They wanted to show that the public could lose their shiat over this and react poorly to a completely legal action.  These guys arent out to scare people but show you how the law itself will scare people.  The law itself.

They didn't "react poorly". They reacted in a way that is completely reasonable to react. I'm not sure how the law is the scary part, unless you mean it's scary that men are allowed to carry murder machines around to public places.


thanks, you answered your own question.
 
2014-05-05 07:52:02 PM  

Callous: Mugato: This text is now purple: The police are under no legal obligation to respond to anything.

They have to respond to every 911 call.

No they don't.


Well they do in Florida. At least that's their policy if not the law.
 
2014-05-05 07:52:56 PM  

Bit'O'Gristle: nijika: So what I find funny about this is that they suppose they are advocates but they're doing horrible PR.  They also have the hubris to assume that they won't have an accidental discharge, treating their guns like decorations.  You could argue that they might be responsible owners and they wouldn't be carrying fully loaded rifles around a family restaurant, but you know that's not how guys like this roll.  How would they be the big heroes if "it went down".

So they're strutting around with murder machines in a family joint.  Good work fellas, you've won another moral victory.

I say this as someone who is actually pro gun.

/I'm with you there, i carry concealed, as i live in a "shall issue state" now, thank god.  And if i saw some assholes parading around like this they would likely get punched in the face. As i said in a earlier post, pancake holster, .45 hidden, no need to alarm people, and still be able to defend yourself if needed.  And likewise, just because you CAN do something, doesn't mean you should. Use some common sense.


This is the second time you have mentioned a hidden 45 in a pancake holster. I'm not sure you understand the concept of "open carry" vs "carry concealed". I'll help; one is perfectly legal to do without any sort of license or training and there are practically no legal repercussions for doing it. The other requires a special class, application and background check beyond the FBI check when you purchase a gun and can result in legal issues.

the more you know.jpg
 
2014-05-05 07:53:30 PM  

The Flexecutioner: zarker: The Flexecutioner: BINGO! that's the point these guys are making.  It's totally LEGAL to adorn yourself with guns in public.  They wanted to show that the public could lose their shiat over this and react poorly to a completely legal action.  These guys arent out to scare people but show you how the law itself will scare people.  The law itself.

They didn't "react poorly". They reacted in a way that is completely reasonable to react. I'm not sure how the law is the scary part, unless you mean it's scary that men are allowed to carry murder machines around to public places.

thanks, you answered your own question.


Scaring the piss out of everyone isn't going to show them they shouldn't be scared
 
2014-05-05 07:54:13 PM  

jtown: As a rational adult, I don't worry much about people who are openly carrying firearms.  Billy Joe Bob with a deer rifle slung over his shoulder is less likely to hurt someone than an actual criminal with a knife in his pocket.  Heck, I'd rather Billy Joe Bob carry his rifle around where he can keep an eye on it than leave it in the gun rack in his truck where it's easy for a criminal to steal.  Tho, I guess in this day and age, gun racks are no longer legal.  Probably have to keep it in a locked box bolted to the bed of the truck.  With ammunition locked in a separate box also bolted to the bed of the truck.


Having driven about in East Texas (which isn't remotely the same thing as anywhere in the Metroplex), I can assure you that Billy Bob has his A.) clean dinner shirt and B.) gunned gun rack, openly on display in his truck (at all times.) And  when he does put on his clean dinner shirt, his gun does in fact stay in th truck. 'Cause he doesn't need it, to eat dinner.

These guys were being douchy, however legal being douchy was in this case. They have the right to be douches. Yay.
 
2014-05-05 07:55:16 PM  

grimlock1972: My first thought is they came to avenge those killed by food poisoning at Jack in the box in he 1990s.

Seriously if all your wanting to do is demonstrate your right to openly carry do it with less scary guns  gentlemen, Rifles ( especially assault style) and shot guns tend to scare the fark our of people,   Pistols so long as the are holstered not as much.

I know its your right to do so but some common sense can keep the cops from hassling you.



I always thought this attitude was a bit backwards.  Handguns are far and away more commonly used to kill people in non-warfare settings.  I see a long gun and I think "Oooo, he's going out into the desert to plink the hell out of an old toilet!" or "Dove hunting!".

 But if I see somebody with a pistol, it makes me wonder *who* not *what* he's looking to point the thing at.
 
2014-05-05 07:55:18 PM  

Bonzo_1116: The Flexecutioner:

BINGO! that's the point these guys are making.  It's totally LEGAL to adorn yourself with guns in public.  They wanted to show that the public could lose their shiat over this and react poorly to a completely legal action.  These guys arent out to scare people but show you how the law itself will scare people.  The law itself.

ummmm, I'm not imagining that the Open Carry advocates are wanting to repeal the laws that allow them to get a burger and fries while carrying their (hopefully) unloaded weapons.  The dudes who I saw doing this here in San Diego (it was at the Starbucks closest to the shooting range I go to) stated that they wanted to show the Starbucks staff and customers that not all people walking around with guns are scary.  They're just normal guys that want an iced coffee, and don't want to leave their guns in the truck.

It wasn't to show that the law is scary, in fact it was the opposite.  (There was also an element of trollery to it.)


sounds like different groups had different agendas.  the guys in the article certainly sounded like they had a different goal in mind.  This actually isnt a misprint:  "The men were Open Carry Firearm demonstrators who were protesting their rights to carry firearms in public."
 
2014-05-05 07:56:13 PM  

zarker: The Flexecutioner: zarker: The Flexecutioner: BINGO! that's the point these guys are making.  It's totally LEGAL to adorn yourself with guns in public.  They wanted to show that the public could lose their shiat over this and react poorly to a completely legal action.  These guys arent out to scare people but show you how the law itself will scare people.  The law itself.

They didn't "react poorly". They reacted in a way that is completely reasonable to react. I'm not sure how the law is the scary part, unless you mean it's scary that men are allowed to carry murder machines around to public places.

thanks, you answered your own question.

Scaring the piss out of everyone isn't going to show them they shouldn't be scared


ah, i see you are capable of missing every point.  carry on.
 
2014-05-05 07:57:00 PM  
So, are they any different from the Westboro Baptist Church? Sure, both groups are using and demonstrating their constitutional rights, but they still being massive dicks over it.
 
2014-05-05 07:57:24 PM  

firemanbuck: You know, a sidearm is one thing...some doof had one strapped on his leg in the produce department of my local grocery store on Saturday...but walking in with an AR like the idiot on the left side of the photo should be considered brandishing and he should be cited.


One of the reasons this group does this is because Texas has frakked up gun laws that make it legal to openly carry around a long gun (rifle), but illegal to do so with a pistol.  Texas is one of nine states that prohibits the open carry of a pistol.

But yeah, they are protesting a frakked law in a frakked way.
 
2014-05-05 07:58:26 PM  

The Flexecutioner: Bonzo_1116: The Flexecutioner:

BINGO! that's the point these guys are making.  It's totally LEGAL to adorn yourself with guns in public.  They wanted to show that the public could lose their shiat over this and react poorly to a completely legal action.  These guys arent out to scare people but show you how the law itself will scare people.  The law itself.

ummmm, I'm not imagining that the Open Carry advocates are wanting to repeal the laws that allow them to get a burger and fries while carrying their (hopefully) unloaded weapons.  The dudes who I saw doing this here in San Diego (it was at the Starbucks closest to the shooting range I go to) stated that they wanted to show the Starbucks staff and customers that not all people walking around with guns are scary.  They're just normal guys that want an iced coffee, and don't want to leave their guns in the truck.

It wasn't to show that the law is scary, in fact it was the opposite.  (There was also an element of trollery to it.)

sounds like different groups had different agendas.  the guys in the article certainly sounded like they had a different goal in mind.  This actually isnt a misprint:  "The men were Open Carry Firearm demonstrators who were protesting their rights to carry firearms in public."



shiat-tacular editing.  That probably should read that they were demonstrating their right to carry, not protesting it.
 
2014-05-05 07:59:44 PM  

Stratohead: While it is legal to do so in Texas (providing no rounds are chambered)...


Common myth often attributed to anti-poaching laws.  There is no provision of Texas law that prevents the person from having the firearm loaded.
 
2014-05-05 08:00:07 PM  

Click Click D'oh: firemanbuck: You know, a sidearm is one thing...some doof had one strapped on his leg in the produce department of my local grocery store on Saturday...but walking in with an AR like the idiot on the left side of the photo should be considered brandishing and he should be cited.

One of the reasons this group does this is because Texas has frakked up gun laws that make it legal to openly carry around a long gun (rifle), but illegal to do so with a pistol.  Texas is one of nine states that prohibits the open carry of a pistol.

But yeah, they are protesting a frakked law in a frakked way.


Really?  I thought Texas was a gun freedom Nirvana.  Arizona steals their thunder!
 
2014-05-05 08:00:38 PM  

Bonzo_1116: grimlock1972: My first thought is they came to avenge those killed by food poisoning at Jack in the box in he 1990s.

Seriously if all your wanting to do is demonstrate your right to openly carry do it with less scary guns  gentlemen, Rifles ( especially assault style) and shot guns tend to scare the fark our of people,   Pistols so long as the are holstered not as much.

I know its your right to do so but some common sense can keep the cops from hassling you.


I always thought this attitude was a bit backwards.  Handguns are far and away more commonly used to kill people in non-warfare settings.  I see a long gun and I think "Oooo, he's going out into the desert to plink the hell out of an old toilet!" or "Dove hunting!".


When did you ever see a hunter doing anything with his guns at a meal time, in town? Has it happened before? Yeah, sure, maybe. Generally speaking, most normal people realize that marching into a place, guns out, just plain looks funny. You just don't do it, 'cause it's kinda stupid, really.
 
2014-05-05 08:00:55 PM  

Stratohead: honestly by Texas law I am allowed to keep a loaded pistol in my car ...basically all the time without the need for a CCP. So if I saw someone scumbag approach my truck while toting a long gun...and I "stood my ground" and shot them dead...what happens then?


You go to jail for murder.
 
2014-05-05 08:01:23 PM  

Theaetetus: Scrotastic Method: Let's ignore the whole "militia" part of the amendment for a second... When you're a colonist and you find the treatment of your homeland untenable, you fight back.

You know that when the colonists banded together to shoot at the Redcoats, they were not part of an English-government approved militia, right? ;)


Yes, I believe that was exactly my point? That my personal belief is the 2nd Amendment has been wildly misread by the courts, and has thereby empowered these wackos to get wacky, but in any case fighting against an evil is sometimes a necessary act. I mentioned the Black Panthers: also not a "government approved militia," as the US government was, you know, actively murdering those men and women...but they were right.

Pops told me never to throw the first punch. But the times I have, I was right to do so. I have the wisdom to know better, as shown by how few punches I've thrown. And I feel the guys carrying scary weapons around are proving they don't have the wisdom to do so, simply by doing exactly that.
 
2014-05-05 08:03:27 PM  
Bonzo_1116:
shiat-tacular editing.  That probably should read that they were demonstrating their right to carry, not protesting it.

That would be funny if it wasn't editing, they were quoting the men who weren't sure what they were talking about.
Could easily flip the situation into "Look! We shouldn't be able to do this! We're striking fear into the hearts of civilians! Ban OC!"
 
2014-05-05 08:04:18 PM  

zarker: Bonzo_1116:
shiat-tacular editing.  That probably should read that they were demonstrating their right to carry, not protesting it.

That would be funny if it wasn't editing, they were quoting the men who weren't sure what they were talking about.
Could easily flip the situation into "Look! We shouldn't be able to do this! We're striking fear into the hearts of civilians! Ban OC!"


I should mention that's not what I think. Carry your stupid gun however you want, but you're gonna have to deal with the fact it's gonna startle people
 
2014-05-05 08:07:02 PM  

Bonzo_1116: The Flexecutioner: Bonzo_1116: The Flexecutioner:

BINGO! that's the point these guys are making.  It's totally LEGAL to adorn yourself with guns in public.  They wanted to show that the public could lose their shiat over this and react poorly to a completely legal action.  These guys arent out to scare people but show you how the law itself will scare people.  The law itself.

ummmm, I'm not imagining that the Open Carry advocates are wanting to repeal the laws that allow them to get a burger and fries while carrying their (hopefully) unloaded weapons.  The dudes who I saw doing this here in San Diego (it was at the Starbucks closest to the shooting range I go to) stated that they wanted to show the Starbucks staff and customers that not all people walking around with guns are scary.  They're just normal guys that want an iced coffee, and don't want to leave their guns in the truck.

It wasn't to show that the law is scary, in fact it was the opposite.  (There was also an element of trollery to it.)

sounds like different groups had different agendas.  the guys in the article certainly sounded like they had a different goal in mind.  This actually isnt a misprint:  "The men were Open Carry Firearm demonstrators who were protesting their rights to carry firearms in public."


shiat-tacular editing.  That probably should read that they were demonstrating their right to carry, not protesting it.


nope, they are saying they are NOT in favor of that law.  you can be called Open Carry demonstrators without the assumption of endorsement.  i can see how some people would misconstrue this but Rape Advocacy groups arent advocating pro rape.
 
2014-05-05 08:10:08 PM  

JuggleGeek: Enemabag Jones: I see 'no guns' in businesses all the time. How is this any different then 'no shoes, no shirt, no dice'?

He's going to keep lying about how he can carry his dick gun with him and nobody can say anything.
?
Wiki has a "Gun Laws In Texas" page.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_Texas#30.06_signage

TPC section 30.06 covers "Trespass by a person licensed to carry a concealed handgun". It allows a residential or commercial landowner to post signage that preemptively bars licensed persons from entering the premises while carrying concealed. It is a Class A misdemeanor to fail to heed compliant signage.


Pray tell, how is a statute governing the signage regarding concealed carry going to affect open carry of long guns?
 
2014-05-05 08:12:07 PM  

loaba: Bonzo_1116: grimlock1972: My first thought is they came to avenge those killed by food poisoning at Jack in the box in he 1990s.

Seriously if all your wanting to do is demonstrate your right to openly carry do it with less scary guns  gentlemen, Rifles ( especially assault style) and shot guns tend to scare the fark our of people,   Pistols so long as the are holstered not as much.

I know its your right to do so but some common sense can keep the cops from hassling you.


I always thought this attitude was a bit backwards.  Handguns are far and away more commonly used to kill people in non-warfare settings.  I see a long gun and I think "Oooo, he's going out into the desert to plink the hell out of an old toilet!" or "Dove hunting!".

When did you ever see a hunter doing anything with his guns at a meal time, in town? Has it happened before? Yeah, sure, maybe. Generally speaking, most normal people realize that marching into a place, guns out, just plain looks funny. You just don't do it, 'cause it's kinda stupid, really.


Yeah, long gun people really only have their weapons going to and from hunting/target practice.  I could see not wanting to leave the guns in the car in parking lot at the Barstow McDonalds, but it would definitely be weird, that's for sure.

What I was trying to say there is that I personally find long guns a LOT less threatening than handguns.
 
2014-05-05 08:12:58 PM  

nijika: "F the safety of your kids and family I have a point to prove!"


While I think these chucklehead morons are stupid attention where's, please elaborate on how they were endangering anybody's safety.
 
2014-05-05 08:13:02 PM  

JuggleGeek: And if he's set on continuing to be an asshole carrying a gun, he can get harassed every damn day.


You aren't very up to date on how cities get sued for millions are you?
 
2014-05-05 08:14:06 PM  
"The men were Open Carry Firearm demonstrators who were protesting their rights to carry firearms in public."

Who farking gets paid to write this shiat? I'm protesting my right to ridicule TFA of TFA.
 
2014-05-05 08:14:17 PM  
I just want to know...

...how long did it take to get all of them their munchies boxes?
 
2014-05-05 08:14:42 PM  

100 Watt Walrus: Why would any sane person just assume their weapons are welcome in any place of business? I have no problem with open-carry, but walking into a fast food joint fully armed is just being a dick.


I was in a Mcdonald's robbed at gun point by some junkie dumb ass who failed to notice the 2 customers in the lobby were both open carrying tactical pistols.

I can't speak for the managers, but as the guy behind the counter, I was VERY happy to have them there.  They drew, I ducked, the junkie went o jail.  No shots fired.

Granted, that was a once in a lifetime kind of thing, but it does happen.

On the other hand, the two customers I speak of were regulars, and weren't waving around ARs like some kind of militia want-to-be.  That makes a pretty big difference.
 
2014-05-05 08:15:53 PM  

Bonzo_1116: grimlock1972: My first thought is they came to avenge those killed by food poisoning at Jack in the box in he 1990s.

Seriously if all your wanting to do is demonstrate your right to openly carry do it with less scary guns  gentlemen, Rifles ( especially assault style) and shot guns tend to scare the fark our of people,   Pistols so long as the are holstered not as much.

I know its your right to do so but some common sense can keep the cops from hassling you.


I always thought this attitude was a bit backwards.  Handguns are far and away more commonly used to kill people in non-warfare settings.  I see a long gun and I think "Oooo, he's going out into the desert to plink the hell out of an old toilet!" or "Dove hunting!".

 But if I see somebody with a pistol, it makes me wonder *who* not *what* he's looking to point the thing at.


I only think that if i see some one loading them into a truck or SUV not when some yahoo carries them into a fast food place, when i see that , the first thing that would come to my mind is along the lines of " Fark shiats gonna get real!" or "shiat , why did they have to pick this place to rob?"  I sure as hell would dial 911.
 
2014-05-05 08:16:05 PM  

JuggleGeek: He's going to keep lying about how he can carry his dick gun with him and nobody can say anything.

Wiki has a "Gun Laws In Texas" page.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_Texas#30.06_signage

TPC section 30.06 covers "Trespass by a person licensed to carry a concealed handgun". It allows a residential or commercial landowner to post signage that preemptively bars licensed persons from entering the premises while carrying concealed. It is a Class A misdemeanor to fail to heed compliant signage.


30.06 only applies to locations with the appropriately posted 30.06 sign, which is not the common Gun Busters sign.  I don't know of a single Jack in the Box that is posted.  And it only applies to concealed handguns.
 
2014-05-05 08:16:34 PM  
The Flexecutioner:

nope, they are saying they are NOT in favor of that law.  you can be called Open Carry demonstrators without the assumption of endorsement.  i can see how some people would misconstrue this but Rape Advocacy groups arent advocating pro rape.

So, they want to LOSE their right to open carry?  That's f*cking retarded.

If what they want is to add handguns to the open carry law, then OK, but then I would actually have to read the article to find out.

Read the article? pshaw.
 
2014-05-05 08:26:30 PM  

Rapmaster2000: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Oh, just look at all the pants-pissing CCs(Cowardly Carrys) in this thread quaking in the shadow of Real Men.

[www.opencarrytexas.org image 850x566]

j/k

USA Bodysuit Man needs to take it down a notch.


Yeah, talk about defiling the flag.

/Poor Old Glory...
//Probably not technically against the Flag Code
///But the spirit of it has a sad...
 
2014-05-05 08:30:04 PM  

Callous: Isitoveryet: wow, those patriots are moar patriotic than any of you could ever fake being.

they are moar patriotic than Uncle Sam snorting coke off a hookers ass through a rolled up Constitution in church while segregating teh population into income groups.

/do all Americans suffer from an inferiority complex?

No, but it appears many have an irrational fear of weapons.


Explain to me how it's irrational to be afraid of a tool designed specifically to launch a small lead weight fast enough to go through a human body. Especially when that tool is in the hands of a complete stranger whose disposition you have no way of knowing.

That seems like an entirely rational fear.
 
2014-05-05 08:30:05 PM  
Alternate headline: Douchebags. Douchebags everywhere!
 
2014-05-05 08:31:10 PM  

basemetal: The men were Open Carry Firearm demonstrators who were protesting their rights to carry firearms in public.

Protesting their rights........or demonstrating their rights.......?

/anyway, I hope the cops are called on you every time you carry your AR into a business/public place.
//you want a reaction, I hope you like police reaction
///I'm all for concealed carry, but carrying around your AR in public like that is just stupid.


Reminds me of a right-wing friend who is an open carry nut on Facebook who posted a picture of a random guy walking through an indoor mall with an AR15 or whatever slung across his back.  Evidently the guy was asked to leave and she was angry that his rights were violated.  I told her that if you want to open carry, that's fine, but when you enter a mall with a gun that big slung across your back, you are not just exercising your rights, you are inviting confrontation, and actively seeking it.  Eventually, even she had to admit that he was just trying to cause trouble and was probably hurting the cause more than helping it.

/CSB
 
2014-05-05 08:37:49 PM  
skinink

I want to see some minority gun owners walk down the streets

What makes you think these assholes are democrats?


//besides the "being assholes" part.
 
2014-05-05 08:38:50 PM  
cdn.foodbeast.com.s3.amazonaws.com


Sure it wasn't Los Pollos Hermanos?


img3.wikia.nocookie.net
 
2014-05-05 08:45:21 PM  
At least they didn't fly in. Then they'd be a dozen tired armed men.
 
2014-05-05 08:48:46 PM  
Look at me!
 
2014-05-05 08:55:44 PM  
JEREMY 12 minutes ago
Funny watching all these HOPLOPHOBes scream and cry about a few guys carrying "big and scary guns." I swear these anti civil rights tools cant decide what they are more obsessed w. The gun owner or the equipment in his pants. Usually when the devolve into that, it means they are out of arguments for their side. I'm sure one of Bloomberg's paid lackeys will come here and try to claim facts but scream about something that has nothing to do with gun safety. Just parroting recycled talking points and lies. What's ironic is they have armed guards. Their "I'm better than you" attitude is no different from that of a klansman. Their false sense of superiority from these elitist twits crack me up. I'm sure whoever comes and responds to this post will not even respond to any of this. Just repeat small penis or you're paranoid and blah blah blah. I'm not the one who thinks anyone who carries a gun is going to shoot me. Also the fact that you morons incorporate penis size into a talk about guns says more about you than it does about us.

Jesus this guy's got penis on the brain
 
2014-05-05 08:57:08 PM  
Good thing they weren't making gun shapes with their fingers.
 
2014-05-05 08:57:18 PM  
I have a joke:
Three men walk into a fast food restaurant carrying each carrying  an AR15 on their back.
They walk up to the cashier and start to order.
The manager walks up and says, "I am sorry, but I will have to ask you to leave."
The leader of the group asks "Do you have a sign prohibiting guns?"
Manager says "no, we don't prohibit weapons"
Another man holding an AR asks, "Are you afraid of people lawfully demonstrating their right to bear arms?"
The manager answers, "I actually own several guns"
The third man holding an AR says "I am hungry, can I put my gun in my trunk and come back in to order?"
The manager says, "no, I am sorry.  Please leave now!"
The leader asks "then what do you have against us?"
The manager replies "Look on the door, we reserve the right to not serve people that act like assholes."
 
2014-05-05 09:01:02 PM  

lostcat: Callous: Isitoveryet: wow, those patriots are moar patriotic than any of you could ever fake being.

they are moar patriotic than Uncle Sam snorting coke off a hookers ass through a rolled up Constitution in church while segregating teh population into income groups.

/do all Americans suffer from an inferiority complex?

No, but it appears many have an irrational fear of weapons.

Explain to me how it's irrational to be afraid of a tool designed specifically to launch a small lead weight fast enough to go through a human body. Especially when that tool is in the hands of a complete stranger whose disposition you have no way of knowing.

That seems like an entirely rational fear.


If someone is actually threatening you with it, then it rational.  The mere presence is not.
 
2014-05-05 09:04:40 PM  

Mikey1969: nijika: "F the safety of your kids and family I have a point to prove!"

While I think these chucklehead morons are stupid attention where's, please elaborate on how they were endangering anybody's safety.


If I saw armed civilian men coming into a restaurant I'd be inclined to believe they intended to rob the place or kill people. Some people may even panic and run.

You know that thing about the first amendment having limits? Like not yelling fire in a crowded theater? Let's just say its common sense not be bring a assault weapon to a theater either.
 
2014-05-05 09:06:50 PM  

Callous: lostcat: Callous: Isitoveryet: wow, those patriots are moar patriotic than any of you could ever fake being.

they are moar patriotic than Uncle Sam snorting coke off a hookers ass through a rolled up Constitution in church while segregating teh population into income groups.

/do all Americans suffer from an inferiority complex?

No, but it appears many have an irrational fear of weapons.

Explain to me how it's irrational to be afraid of a tool designed specifically to launch a small lead weight fast enough to go through a human body. Especially when that tool is in the hands of a complete stranger whose disposition you have no way of knowing.

That seems like an entirely rational fear.

If someone is actually threatening you with it, then it rational.  The mere presence is not.


The mere presence of one man, rifle slung, walking into your store does not go unnoticed. Now make that a dozen - is that not a WTF kind of deal? Yeah, you exercise caution, if for no other reason then you have to assume those weapons are loaded.
 
2014-05-05 09:07:56 PM  

Enemabag Jones: I have a joke:
Three men walk into a fast food restaurant carrying each carrying  an AR15 on their back.
They walk up to the cashier and start to order.
The manager walks up and says, "I am sorry, but I will have to ask you to leave."
The leader of the group asks "Do you have a sign prohibiting guns?"
Manager says "no, we don't prohibit weapons"
Another man holding an AR asks, "Are you afraid of people lawfully demonstrating their right to bear arms?"
The manager answers, "I actually own several guns"
The third man holding an AR says "I am hungry, can I put my gun in my trunk and come back in to order?"
The manager says, "no, I am sorry.  Please leave now!"
The leader asks "then what do you have against us?"
The manager replies "Look on the door, we reserve the right to not serve people that act like assholes."


Dufuq?


Is that the old conservative humor we all know?
 
2014-05-05 09:11:35 PM  

skinink: I want to see some minority gun owners walk down the streets in the towns where these guys live. See what the response is then.
[cdn.foodbeast.com.s3.amazonaws.com image 600x450]


No dont tell me, which one wasn't a demonstrator.
 
2014-05-05 09:14:41 PM  
tripleseven
Dufuq?
Is that the old conservative humor we all know?


I didn't write it to be conservative or liberal. I wrote it to be funny.

\Your opinion may vary.
 
2014-05-05 09:15:56 PM  
2.bp.blogspot.com

"...now imagine they're arab"
 
2014-05-05 09:18:38 PM  

Enemabag Jones: tripleseven
Dufuq?
Is that the old conservative humor we all know?

I didn't write it to be conservative or liberal. I wrote it to be funny.

\Your opinion may vary.


Your joke sucks. Do you find that anybody laughs with you?
 
2014-05-05 09:19:33 PM  
"...now imagine they're arab"
you are a puppet

Who here would not be thinking about diving under a table if that happened.

Link
 
2014-05-05 09:20:36 PM  

tripleseven: Mikey1969: nijika: "F the safety of your kids and family I have a point to prove!"

While I think these chucklehead morons are stupid attention where's, please elaborate on how they were endangering anybody's safety.

If I saw armed civilian men coming into a restaurant I'd be inclined to believe they intended to rob the place or kill people. Some people may even panic and run.

You know that thing about the first amendment having limits? Like not yelling fire in a crowded theater? Let's just say its common sense not be bring a assault weapon to a theater either.


You'd "be inclined to think", but your inclination to think does not equal anybody being in danger, which was the point I was trying to make, which is why I called these "chucklehead morons" "attention whores".

Notice that I didn't support anything they did, I merely pointed out that they didn't actually threaten anybody's safety. That stupid panic reflex is just as dumb as their need for attention.

They could have returned their weapons to their vehicles before getting food, and if they were afraid of their guns getting stolen form their cars(a valid concern), they could have placed the guns in their cases and carried them in that way. Instead, they've got to be dicks about it.

I don't respect these guys, just like I don't respect someone who thinks a gun itself is some kind of dangerous object. It isn't. Without an outside force, a gun does not fire, so it wasn't "threatening" anybody's safety.
 
2014-05-05 09:20:47 PM  

tripleseven: Enemabag Jones: tripleseven
Dufuq?
Is that the old conservative humor we all know?

I didn't write it to be conservative or liberal. I wrote it to be funny.

\Your opinion may vary.

Your joke sucks. Do you find that anybody laughs with you?


Wait...OK I get it. I thought the implication was that they were assholes for asking to put their guns away.
 
2014-05-05 09:25:51 PM  
This story was related by a friend of mine.

"Today at work I dealt with a very unpleasant man. We eventually worked out his issue. Once we had he told me I'm very lucky we worked it out. When he pulled his credit card out he very unsubtly dropped his concealed carry card on the counter."

Come on, gun owners. Less douche, okay?

When you couple that story with this one, the open carry guys, you just gotta wonder what the hell the gunners are thinking (or of they're thinking at all.)
 
2014-05-05 09:26:37 PM  

Mikey1969: tripleseven: Mikey1969: nijika: "F the safety of your kids and family I have a point to prove!"

While I think these chucklehead morons are stupid attention where's, please elaborate on how they were endangering anybody's safety.

If I saw armed civilian men coming into a restaurant I'd be inclined to believe they intended to rob the place or kill people. Some people may even panic and run.

You know that thing about the first amendment having limits? Like not yelling fire in a crowded theater? Let's just say its common sense not be bring a assault weapon to a theater either.

You'd "be inclined to think", but your inclination to think does not equal anybody being in danger, which was the point I was trying to make, which is why I called these "chucklehead morons" "attention whores".

Notice that I didn't support anything they did, I merely pointed out that they didn't actually threaten anybody's safety. That stupid panic reflex is just as dumb as their need for attention.

They could have returned their weapons to their vehicles before getting food, and if they were afraid of their guns getting stolen form their cars(a valid concern), they could have placed the guns in their cases and carried them in that way. Instead, they've got to be dicks about it.

I don't respect these guys, just like I don't respect someone who thinks a gun itself is some kind of dangerous object. It isn't. Without an outside force, a gun does not fire, so it wasn't "threatening" anybody's safety.


Guns are dangerous objects. A gun the hands of unknown people in a situation that doesn't call for a gunis a llegitimate cause for concern for safety.

You can try to deny it all you want, you can trot out any talking point about a gun being a tool, or that guns don't kill people etc.
 
2014-05-05 09:30:19 PM  

Enemabag Jones: tripleseven
Dufuq?
Is that the old conservative humor we all know?

I didn't write it to be conservative or liberal. I wrote it to be funny.

\Your opinion may vary.


"Conservative humor" is kind of an oxymoron, isn't it?

/I thought it was funny
//Moderate
 
2014-05-05 09:32:45 PM  

Canton: Enemabag Jones: tripleseven
Dufuq?
Is that the old conservative humor we all know?

I didn't write it to be conservative or liberal. I wrote it to be funny.

\Your opinion may vary.

"Conservative humor" is kind of an oxymoron, isn't it?

/I thought it was funny
//Moderate


I missed the joke. Perhaps because there was an extraneous line about putting the guns away.
 
2014-05-05 09:42:24 PM  

lostcat: Callous: Isitoveryet: wow, those patriots are moar patriotic than any of you could ever fake being.

they are moar patriotic than Uncle Sam snorting coke off a hookers ass through a rolled up Constitution in church while segregating teh population into income groups.

/do all Americans suffer from an inferiority complex?

No, but it appears many have an irrational fear of weapons.

Explain to me how it's irrational to be afraid of a tool designed specifically to launch a small lead weight fast enough to go through a human body. Especially when that tool is in the hands of a complete stranger whose disposition you have no way of knowing.

That seems like an entirely rational fear.


How do you feel about cops carrying?
 
2014-05-05 09:43:11 PM  

pedrop357: lostcat: Callous: Isitoveryet: wow, those patriots are moar patriotic than any of you could ever fake being.

they are moar patriotic than Uncle Sam snorting coke off a hookers ass through a rolled up Constitution in church while segregating teh population into income groups.

/do all Americans suffer from an inferiority complex?

No, but it appears many have an irrational fear of weapons.

Explain to me how it's irrational to be afraid of a tool designed specifically to launch a small lead weight fast enough to go through a human body. Especially when that tool is in the hands of a complete stranger whose disposition you have no way of knowing.

That seems like an entirely rational fear.

How do you feel about cops carrying?


That's even scarier...
 
2014-05-05 09:45:55 PM  

loaba: pedrop357: lostcat: Callous: Isitoveryet: wow, those patriots are moar patriotic than any of you could ever fake being.

they are moar patriotic than Uncle Sam snorting coke off a hookers ass through a rolled up Constitution in church while segregating teh population into income groups.

/do all Americans suffer from an inferiority complex?

No, but it appears many have an irrational fear of weapons.

Explain to me how it's irrational to be afraid of a tool designed specifically to launch a small lead weight fast enough to go through a human body. Especially when that tool is in the hands of a complete stranger whose disposition you have no way of knowing.

That seems like an entirely rational fear.

How do you feel about cops carrying?

That's even scarier...


No shiat.

At least of one these guys assaults or kills someone, there's an excellent chance of charges being filed, which should serve as more of a deterrent than the paid vacation a cop would get for the same thing.
 
2014-05-05 09:53:37 PM  

tripleseven: Mikey1969: tripleseven: Mikey1969: nijika: "F the safety of your kids and family I have a point to prove!"

While I think these chucklehead morons are stupid attention where's, please elaborate on how they were endangering anybody's safety.

If I saw armed civilian men coming into a restaurant I'd be inclined to believe they intended to rob the place or kill people. Some people may even panic and run.

You know that thing about the first amendment having limits? Like not yelling fire in a crowded theater? Let's just say its common sense not be bring a assault weapon to a theater either.

You'd "be inclined to think", but your inclination to think does not equal anybody being in danger, which was the point I was trying to make, which is why I called these "chucklehead morons" "attention whores".

Notice that I didn't support anything they did, I merely pointed out that they didn't actually threaten anybody's safety. That stupid panic reflex is just as dumb as their need for attention.

They could have returned their weapons to their vehicles before getting food, and if they were afraid of their guns getting stolen form their cars(a valid concern), they could have placed the guns in their cases and carried them in that way. Instead, they've got to be dicks about it.

I don't respect these guys, just like I don't respect someone who thinks a gun itself is some kind of dangerous object. It isn't. Without an outside force, a gun does not fire, so it wasn't "threatening" anybody's safety.

Guns are dangerous objects. A gun the hands of unknown people in a situation that doesn't call for a gunis a llegitimate cause for concern for safety.

You can try to deny it all you want, you can trot out any talking point about a gun being a tool, or that guns don't kill people etc.


Only a moron thinks that a gun just sitting there is "dangerous". It requires an outside force acting upon it. Otherwise, it is a machine without an essential part.

That is the long and short of it. Being concerned for safety is in no way the same thing as saying that someone carrying a gun is threatening anybody's safety. The gun doesn't spontaneously trigger itself. The firing pin doesn't hit the primer, the primer doesn't ignite the powder, and the explosive force from the powder igniting doesn't send the slug down the barrel without an outside force, so somebody CARRYING a gun doesn't threaten anybody's safety. It's playing with a gun or handling it carelessly that puts someone in jeopardy.

I bet you'd freak out standing next to a bomb or a block of plastic explosives, too. Those also don't go off and hurt you when just sitting there.
 
2014-05-05 09:55:52 PM  

lostcat: Callous: Isitoveryet: wow, those patriots are moar patriotic than any of you could ever fake being.

they are moar patriotic than Uncle Sam snorting coke off a hookers ass through a rolled up Constitution in church while segregating teh population into income groups.

/do all Americans suffer from an inferiority complex?

No, but it appears many have an irrational fear of weapons.

Explain to me how it's irrational to be afraid of a tool designed specifically to launch a small lead weight fast enough to go through a human body. Especially when that tool is in the hands of a complete stranger whose disposition you have no way of knowing.

That seems like an entirely rational fear.


It's no less rational then being afraid of a parked car suddenly running you over in a parking lot as you walk by. It doesn't matter what it is designed to do, both are dangerous when mishandled and inert the rest of the time.
 
2014-05-05 09:58:07 PM  

Mikey1969: Only a moron thinks that a gun just sitting there is "dangerous". It requires an outside force acting upon it.


Like a three-year-old.

/time2repeal2
 
2014-05-05 10:00:47 PM  

Mikey1969: tripleseven: Mikey1969: tripleseven: Mikey1969: nijika: "F the safety of your kids and family I have a point to prove!"

While I think these chucklehead morons are stupid attention where's, please elaborate on how they were endangering anybody's safety.

If I saw armed civilian men coming into a restaurant I'd be inclined to believe they intended to rob the place or kill people. Some people may even panic and run.

You know that thing about the first amendment having limits? Like not yelling fire in a crowded theater? Let's just say its common sense not be bring a assault weapon to a theater either.

You'd "be inclined to think", but your inclination to think does not equal anybody being in danger, which was the point I was trying to make, which is why I called these "chucklehead morons" "attention whores".

Notice that I didn't support anything they did, I merely pointed out that they didn't actually threaten anybody's safety. That stupid panic reflex is just as dumb as their need for attention.

They could have returned their weapons to their vehicles before getting food, and if they were afraid of their guns getting stolen form their cars(a valid concern), they could have placed the guns in their cases and carried them in that way. Instead, they've got to be dicks about it.

I don't respect these guys, just like I don't respect someone who thinks a gun itself is some kind of dangerous object. It isn't. Without an outside force, a gun does not fire, so it wasn't "threatening" anybody's safety.

Guns are dangerous objects. A gun the hands of unknown people in a situation that doesn't call for a gunis a llegitimate cause for concern for safety.

You can try to deny it all you want, you can trot out any talking point about a gun being a tool, or that guns don't kill people etc.

Only a moron thinks that a gun just sitting there is "dangerous". It requires an outside force acting upon it. Otherwise, it is a machine without an essential part.

That is the long and short of it. Being concerned for safety is in no way the same thing as saying that someone carrying a gun is threatening anybody's safety. The gun doesn't spontaneously trigger itself. The firing pin doesn't hit the primer, the primer doesn't ignite the powder, and the explosive force from the powder igniting doesn't send the slug down the barrel without an outside force, so somebody CARRYING a gun doesn't threaten anybody's safety. It's playing with a gun or handling it carelessly that puts someone in jeopardy.

I bet you'd freak out standing next to a bomb or a block of plastic explosives, too. Those also don't go off and hurt you when just sitting there.


Trot trot trot..


Last response to you... These guns are in the control of unknown people with unknown intentions.

Have a nice night.
 
2014-05-05 10:01:02 PM  

tripleseven: Enemabag Jones: tripleseven
Dufuq?
Is that the old conservative humor we all know?

I didn't write it to be conservative or liberal. I wrote it to be funny.

\Your opinion may vary.

Your joke sucks. Do you find that anybody laughs with you?


I thought it was funny.
 
2014-05-05 10:06:13 PM  

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Mikey1969: Only a moron thinks that a gun just sitting there is "dangerous". It requires an outside force acting upon it.

Like a three-year-old.

/time2repeal2


There were 3 year olds playing with their guns? Why wasn't that in TFA.

Oh, I get it. Someone is stereotyping here. It's not cool to do when someone's race, gender, religion or sexuality is the focus, but since they are gun owners, they must leave their guns laying around with the triggers and the barrel dripping with marshmallows and chocolate just so the kids will be tempted to pick them up and play with them.

Or are you just saying that every privately owned gun has to kill a kid as a part of some kind of gang initiation?

What about cops and military folk, how do they get their 3 year olds out of the way? Maybe they get their gun pre-bloodied front the factory? That could be where all of the missing kids end up.

You see, cops and soldiers don't actually do anything special to secure their weapons than the average gun owner does.

But that doesn't matter to someone with their mind made up, of course.
 
2014-05-05 10:17:01 PM  

Mikey1969: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Mikey1969: Only a moron thinks that a gun just sitting there is "dangerous". It requires an outside force acting upon it.

Like a three-year-old.

/time2repeal2

[straw man variety assortment]

You see, cops and soldiers don't actually do anything special to secure their weapons than the average gun owner does.

[Uh, so?]

But that doesn't matter to someone with their mind made up, of course.


Oh, you haven't made up your mind on this?
 
2014-05-05 10:17:54 PM  

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Mikey1969: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Mikey1969: Only a moron thinks that a gun just sitting there is "dangerous". It requires an outside force acting upon it.

Like a three-year-old.

/time2repeal2

[straw man variety assortment]

You see, cops and soldiers don't actually do anything special to secure their weapons than the average gun owner does.

[Uh, so?]

But that doesn't matter to someone with their mind made up, of course.

Oh, you haven't made up your mind on this?


Don't you get it? Inert objects aren't dangerous wharrrrgrrrblll!
 
2014-05-05 10:56:33 PM  
global3.memecdn.com
 
2014-05-05 10:57:01 PM  
Those who truly understand the constitution and their rights do not feel the need to demonstrate them. Just because you can do something, does not mean you should do something. Time and place need to be considered. There was no point to made there, no battle to be won. Just silly. Totally uncomfortable with the orange shirt guy with his finger that close to the trigger and I am not convinced these guys understand what a safety switch is. Guy in the blue making the gun gesture.... an idiot.... no respect for the weapon he is carrying.

\This is why we can't have nice things.....
 
2014-05-05 11:18:49 PM  

Enemabag Jones: tripleseven
Dufuq?
Is that the old conservative humor we all know?

I didn't write it to be conservative or liberal. I wrote it to be funny.

\Your opinion may vary.


Allow me to apologize. Perhaps because I am reading and posting from my phone, I messed a few lines of the joke.
It makes sense, and was well thought out and witty. I am sorry for questioning your humor.

Seriously. I'm not a dick.
 
2014-05-05 11:27:35 PM  

loaba: Callous: lostcat: Callous: Isitoveryet: wow, those patriots are moar patriotic than any of you could ever fake being.

they are moar patriotic than Uncle Sam snorting coke off a hookers ass through a rolled up Constitution in church while segregating teh population into income groups.

/do all Americans suffer from an inferiority complex?

No, but it appears many have an irrational fear of weapons.

Explain to me how it's irrational to be afraid of a tool designed specifically to launch a small lead weight fast enough to go through a human body. Especially when that tool is in the hands of a complete stranger whose disposition you have no way of knowing.

That seems like an entirely rational fear.

If someone is actually threatening you with it, then it rational.  The mere presence is not.

The mere presence of one man, rifle slung, walking into your store does not go unnoticed. Now make that a dozen - is that not a WTF kind of deal? Yeah, you exercise caution, if for no other reason then you have to assume those weapons are loaded.


Actually 1 would be more concerning than 12.  It's not uncommon for 1 guy to rob a place with a long gun, although far less common then with a handgun.

But I've never heard of 12 doing it.  I would assume they have some other agenda.  In fact anymore than 2 I'm going to assume they're not there to do anything illegal.

Also it matters how they are carrying them.  If they are slung over their shoulders, no worries.  If they are holding them in any of the ready positions that might indicate bad intentions.

I would at least consider it careless/dangerous and ask them to leave if they don't shoulder them.
 
2014-05-06 12:04:32 AM  
One does not need to carry a gun in a civilised place. So, unless there is a need, keep your weapons stashed.
 
2014-05-06 12:17:06 AM  
Bit'O'Gristle: /I'm with you there, i carry concealed, as i live in a "shall issue state" now, thank god.

This state is the worst to own a firearm in.

/gun owner
//not herpy-derpy about it
///the guys in the article are assholes
 
2014-05-06 12:27:26 AM  

Mikey1969: lostcat: Callous: Isitoveryet: wow, those patriots are moar patriotic than any of you could ever fake being.

they are moar patriotic than Uncle Sam snorting coke off a hookers ass through a rolled up Constitution in church while segregating teh population into income groups.

/do all Americans suffer from an inferiority complex?

No, but it appears many have an irrational fear of weapons.

Explain to me how it's irrational to be afraid of a tool designed specifically to launch a small lead weight fast enough to go through a human body. Especially when that tool is in the hands of a complete stranger whose disposition you have no way of knowing.

That seems like an entirely rational fear.

It's no less rational then being afraid of a parked car suddenly running you over in a parking lot as you walk by. It doesn't matter what it is designed to do, both are dangerous when mishandled and inert the rest of the time.


The guns/cars simile is possibly the stupidest argument gun nuts make.

Because you'll ask why...a thing designed to kill people is not the same as a useful tool that can accidentally kill you when used improperly. If it were, a nuclear warhead would be the same as a spatula.
 
2014-05-06 12:39:37 AM  
I wonder what would happen if I exercised my first amendment right to scream as loudly as I could right next to them until they left. just because I have the right to be an arsehole doesn't mean I should
 
2014-05-06 12:44:38 AM  

Mikey1969: nijika: "F the safety of your kids and family I have a point to prove!"

While I think these chucklehead morons are stupid attention where's, please elaborate on how they were endangering anybody's safety.


Just look at Tacticool McOperator on the left holding his rifle at the ready in a family joint.  Once again, we would be giving him a huge benefit of the doubt to assume that his little toy there wasn't fully loaded and ready to rock.  

We could assume they have all the competence in the world, but that's contrary to being in a Jack In The Box waving around an AR to make a cheap point.  Responsible gun ownership and being a decent human being require that you understand the power of what you're holding.

It's not a toy.
 
2014-05-06 12:56:49 AM  

Bit'O'Gristle: fusillade762: Theaetetus: JuggleGeek: The employee should have taken a pen and paper and written a note saying "We reserve the right not to serve assholes with weapons".

Or just said "GTFO, or you're trespassing." You don't need to have a specially written policy to refuse service to people carrying weapons.

[www.mydoorsign.com image 400x290]

/Ya, that doesn't work so well.  It has been tried.  You can't tell someone they are trespassing, when its a public access building like a fast food joint. There have been may court cases.


Name one - just one of these court cases where a business couldn't kick out a specific individual who they deemed to be a nuisance and they lost.  I am of course excluding cases where the business simply had a blanket policy of barring blacks or Jews or gays.

These assholes were looking for a reaction and they got it.  They may have a right to enter a business with a rifle in their hand, but once they are told to leave they lose that right at that particular business.

The only time I've seen someone open carry was in a convenience store.  He had a pistol in a holster and was waiting in line.  I thought it was pretty weird, but I didn't say anything or even walk out because I figured a robber wouldn't bother waiting in line.

I still believe it was meant to be provocative.  It wasn't a high crime area and even if a robber entered the place, I'd bet he would be the first person with a gun pointed at his head.  So, I guess it's a good thing.  It would have given me and everyone else a chance to get the hell out of there while the robber was busy disarming the ass hat who thinks he has to carry a gun everywhere.

/no, I'm not going to play hero
//I'll rescue a kitten or stop and help someone who is injured - that's not being a hero
///I'll leave the gun play and rushing into burning buildings for the cops and fire department
 
2014-05-06 01:09:58 AM  

Scrotastic Method: Mikey1969: lostcat: Callous: Isitoveryet: wow, those patriots are moar patriotic than any of you could ever fake being.

they are moar patriotic than Uncle Sam snorting coke off a hookers ass through a rolled up Constitution in church while segregating teh population into income groups.

/do all Americans suffer from an inferiority complex?

No, but it appears many have an irrational fear of weapons.

Explain to me how it's irrational to be afraid of a tool designed specifically to launch a small lead weight fast enough to go through a human body. Especially when that tool is in the hands of a complete stranger whose disposition you have no way of knowing.

That seems like an entirely rational fear.

It's no less rational then being afraid of a parked car suddenly running you over in a parking lot as you walk by. It doesn't matter what it is designed to do, both are dangerous when mishandled and inert the rest of the time.

The guns/cars simile is possibly the stupidest argument gun nuts make.

Because you'll ask why...a thing designed to kill people is not the same as a useful tool that can accidentally kill you when used improperly. If it were, a nuclear warhead would be the same as a spatula.


Because neither one is dangerous without something behind it. Neither one kills people unless someone misuses it, or there is a sudden failure of an onboard system. It doesn't matter WHAT the device was designed for. At all. This "but guns were specifically designed to kill people and cars were designed to go to the drive in" argument is what's weak. People who don't understand guns constantly bring out the 'cars and guns are apples and oranges' claim when they aren't. Both are items that if used correctly are safe.The danger is when they are used in attentively, incorrectly, or with malice.

There is nothing wrong with the simile. It's not a "strawman", and there is nothing about the comparison that is incorrect. It doesn't matter what a tool was designed to do.

And no, a nuclear weapon compared to a spatula is not the same at all. One has far reaching damage and the other can only kill if some determined person were to grind it into a prison shiv, thereby modifying it and repurposing it radically from its original design.
 
2014-05-06 01:15:20 AM  

tripleseven: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Mikey1969: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Mikey1969: Only a moron thinks that a gun just sitting there is "dangerous". It requires an outside force acting upon it.

Like a three-year-old.

/time2repeal2

[straw man variety assortment]

You see, cops and soldiers don't actually do anything special to secure their weapons than the average gun owner does.

[Uh, so?]

But that doesn't matter to someone with their mind made up, of course.

Oh, you haven't made up your mind on this?

Don't you get it? Inert objects aren't dangerous wharrrrgrrrblll!


And they aren't. I didn't realize that the anti gun crowd was so stupid. I will ask once again how the guns themselves pose any danger if nobody is there to touch them. Have you watched a gun just go off for no reason? Do you have documentation of it happening? We'd love to hear it. Until that trigger is pulled, NOTHING happens in the gun. They don't emit bullets at a predetermined time as a part of their function. Something has to set the primer off, and it's either mechanical action or something like heat. Until that moment, the gun itself is inactive.

I have repeated again and again that I think these people are dipshaits, but that doesn't change the fact that the "OMG a gun, we can't stand anywhere near it, lest it go off." crowd is going to corner the market in fainting couches. You haven't actually answered my questions yet. How is the gun itself actually dangerous, which is the point I have been consistently making?
 
2014-05-06 01:15:49 AM  
Another potential title to the story: "A Dozen Men with Small Penises Walk into a Jack in the Box"
 
2014-05-06 01:19:02 AM  

nijika: Mikey1969: nijika: "F the safety of your kids and family I have a point to prove!"

While I think these chucklehead morons are stupid attention where's, please elaborate on how they were endangering anybody's safety.

Just look at Tacticool McOperator on the left holding his rifle at the ready in a family joint.  Once again, we would be giving him a huge benefit of the doubt to assume that his little toy there wasn't fully loaded and ready to rock.  

We could assume they have all the competence in the world, but that's contrary to being in a Jack In The Box waving around an AR to make a cheap point.  Responsible gun ownership and being a decent human being require that you understand the power of what you're holding.

It's not a toy.


You mean the guy who is holding it up for the picture, but has his hand completely out of the trigger guard? That's actually how you safely hold a gun, so it doesn't accidentally discharge. While I will reiterate again that these guys are attention seeking morons, nothing that picture actually says "unsafe". The only person that's even touching their gun has it in a safe grip.
 
2014-05-06 01:26:17 AM  

These guys exercising their Second Amendment rights in this manner are about on the level of the Westboro Baptist Church exercising their First Amendment rights in the manner for which they're famous.

I think the Dude said it best:

i.qkme.me

 
2014-05-06 01:26:24 AM  

gfid: I still believe it was meant to be provocative.  It wasn't a high crime area


You do realize that people who open carry don't carry to the convenience store, then go home, change clothes and then go to the mall, right? They visit convenience stores just like you do. They are on their way from one place to another and they decide they want something to drink, or they need gas, maybe a hot dog or candy bar for the road. Just because that isn't a high crime area, it doesn't indicate that the convenience store is the only place he wears the gun. It's also quite possible the guy was an off duty cop. Many officers carry their weapon when off of work, or heading to and from the station. People will also carry their pistol when going to and from the shooting range, and for the same reason the cops will. It is far easier to use a holster for what it was meant to be used for than to have extra shiat in their hands when they are getting out of the car at the gun range, after they get home, or(in the case of a police officer) when they get to work.

There doesn't have to be ANYTHING provocative about it, and to assume that he was carrying it to provoke just because the Circle K was not in a "high crime area" is to jump to a conclusion with about 5% of the data. All you have is that he was carrying a gun on his hip. There is no more you can judge this on as you present it.
 
2014-05-06 02:32:10 AM  

Mikey1969: gfid: I still believe it was meant to be provocative.  It wasn't a high crime area

You do realize that people who open carry don't carry to the convenience store, then go home, change clothes and then go to the mall, right? They visit convenience stores just like you do. They are on their way from one place to another and they decide they want something to drink, or they need gas, maybe a hot dog or candy bar for the road. Just because that isn't a high crime area, it doesn't indicate that the convenience store is the only place he wears the gun. It's also quite possible the guy was an off duty cop. Many officers carry their weapon when off of work, or heading to and from the station. People will also carry their pistol when going to and from the shooting range, and for the same reason the cops will. It is far easier to use a holster for what it was meant to be used for than to have extra shiat in their hands when they are getting out of the car at the gun range, after they get home, or(in the case of a police officer) when they get to work.

There doesn't have to be ANYTHING provocative about it, and to assume that he was carrying it to provoke just because the Circle K was not in a "high crime area" is to jump to a conclusion with about 5% of the data. All you have is that he was carrying a gun on his hip. There is no more you can judge this on as you present it.


Why not leave it in the car?  I know, someone might break in.  I know my car gets broken into all the time when I stop for a few minutes at a convenience store.  That's why I lock it.  Okay, so maybe it was Serpico, Jr.

And I would expect people going in and out of a shooting range to be carrying guns.  You make it sounds like a really painstaking thing to put your gun in a case and stow it under the seat.  I correctly assessed that he was not a threat in that particular convenience store at that particular time.

It still made me a bit uneasy. and if I owned  a business,  my policy would be that I'm the only one allowed to carry a gun inside of it.  Or maybe my hired mercenaries.  (I remember after a string of robberies in the '70s some dry cleaners started hiring security guards with shotguns - it was probably mostly hype.  That shiat can't be cost effective.

Unless you intend to use your gun, you probably shouldn't carry it around and like I said if some thugs had entered the store with the intent of robbing it, he would have been the first person they pointed their guns at.

You can rationalize all you want, but normal people don't openly carry wherever they go and normal people don't expect to see anyone except cops or the armored car guys carrying weapons.
 
2014-05-06 04:00:54 AM  

gfid: my policy would be that I'm the only one allowed to carry


And I'm sure that all the criminals who would rob you otherwise will without fail obey your policy and never enter your business with a gun.
 
2014-05-06 05:12:05 AM  

Callous: gfid: my policy would be that I'm the only one allowed to carry

And I'm sure that all the criminals who would rob you otherwise will without fail obey your policy and never enter your business with a gun.


So you expect me to rely on my other customers who may be legally carrying and responsible to protect me?

Even if it makes some people uncomfortable?
 
2014-05-06 05:24:26 AM  

basemetal: The men were Open Carry Firearm demonstrators who were protesting their rights to carry firearms in public.

Protesting their rights........or demonstrating their rights.......?

/anyway, I hope the cops are called on you every time you carry your AR into a business/public place.
//you want a reaction, I hope you like police reaction
///I'm all for concealed carry, but carrying around your AR in public like that is just stupid.


"just stupid." <--- deserves repeating
I
 
2014-05-06 05:47:18 AM  

Callous: loaba: Callous: lostcat: Callous: Isitoveryet: wow, those patriots are moar patriotic than any of you could ever fake being.

they are moar patriotic than Uncle Sam snorting coke off a hookers ass through a rolled up Constitution in church while segregating teh population into income groups.

/do all Americans suffer from an inferiority complex?

No, but it appears many have an irrational fear of weapons.

Explain to me how it's irrational to be afraid of a tool designed specifically to launch a small lead weight fast enough to go through a human body. Especially when that tool is in the hands of a complete stranger whose disposition you have no way of knowing.

That seems like an entirely rational fear.

If someone is actually threatening you with it, then it rational.  The mere presence is not.

The mere presence of one man, rifle slung, walking into your store does not go unnoticed. Now make that a dozen - is that not a WTF kind of deal? Yeah, you exercise caution, if for no other reason then you have to assume those weapons are loaded.

Actually 1 would be more concerning than 12.  It's not uncommon for 1 guy to rob a place with a long gun, although far less common then with a handgun.

But I've never heard of 12 doing it.  I would assume they have some other agenda.  In fact anymore than 2 I'm going to assume they're not there to do anything illegal.

Also it matters how they are carrying them.  If they are slung over their shoulders, no worries.  If they are holding them in any of the ready positions that might indicate bad intentions.

I would at least consider it careless/dangerous and ask them to leave if they don't shoulder them.


Nah, a group of armed douchbags is just as bad as a loner, and as for the semantics of whether or not a gun is being pointed - if I'm in a store or business & a group of guys come in open-carrying rifles, I'm leaving.

And for those who might suspect a "double standard" - that includes armed douchebags with badges.

I'm a gun owner & sorry to say, too many other gun owners suck at basic safety rules.

Every indoor range I've been to has had damage to the ceilings, the stall dividers , and snarky signs that say things like "we reserve the right to send you home if you can't hit the target"
 
2014-05-06 05:49:03 AM  

Tuskan_Roeder: I'm a pro-gun, pro-concealed carry, pro-open carry, prior CCW permit holding combat vet gun nut, and I came here to say these guys are douchers.  Please don't judge the pro-gun movement by the likes of these AW'ing fegits.


If reasonable gun owners were more vocal about not defending the wack jobs, it would be a lot easier to believe there were more reasonable gun owners.

Stand up for reasonable safety laws. Stand up for background checks. Stand up for training certifications. Or what ever you think will help keep guns out of the hands of people who would be dangerous with them.

But the vast majority of the pro-gun movement kowtows to the NRA, and worse, let's the NRA speak for them. If you don't want to be associated with these kinds of idiots, do something to help keep these kinds of idiots in check.
 
2014-05-06 05:54:22 AM  

JuggleGeek: The Flexecutioner: these guys weren't choosing to threaten people with their rifles.  stop inaccurately describing the scenario to fit your outrage.

Why did the employees hide and call the cops?

Because they felt threatened.  Which is exactly what the gun nuts wanted.


1) You can't read minds - either of Jack-In-the-Box workers or gun nuts.

2) The gun nuts wanted food, and to make a point about the 2nd Amendment. It was a stupid point, and they went about it stupidly, and they're wrong-headed farkwits. But then, so is anyone who thinks they can read minds because they read a news article on the interwebs.
 
2014-05-06 06:01:40 AM  

100 Watt Walrus: Tuskan_Roeder: I'm a pro-gun, pro-concealed carry, pro-open carry, prior CCW permit holding combat vet gun nut, and I came here to say these guys are douchers.  Please don't judge the pro-gun movement by the likes of these AW'ing fegits.

If reasonable gun owners were more vocal about not defending the wack jobs, it would be a lot easier to believe there were more reasonable gun owners.

Stand up for reasonable safety laws. Stand up for background checks. Stand up for training certifications. Or what ever you think will help keep guns out of the hands of people who would be dangerous with them.

But the vast majority of the pro-gun movement kowtows to the NRA, and worse, let's the NRA speak for them. If you don't want to be associated with these kinds of idiots, do something to help keep these kinds of idiots in check.


nah, not standing up for background checks, fingerprints, training, or any of that worthless "feel good" legislation. background checks are already required at every licensed dealer in the country. every single one. even at gun shows. there is no gun show loophole.

the government doesnt have any right to build dossiers on gun owners, nor the right to track gun ownership. Give me a trustworthy government & we'll talk about it, but since sept 11th, we've had a power-grabby government & they haven't earned any trust through their actions since then .
 
2014-05-06 08:17:17 AM  
Meh.. Open carry isnt my thing but it was probably the safest Jack in the Box in the country that day.
 
2014-05-06 08:35:32 AM  

gfid: Mikey1969: gfid: I still believe it was meant to be provocative.  It wasn't a high crime area

You do realize that people who open carry don't carry to the convenience store, then go home, change clothes and then go to the mall, right? They visit convenience stores just like you do. They are on their way from one place to another and they decide they want something to drink, or they need gas, maybe a hot dog or candy bar for the road. Just because that isn't a high crime area, it doesn't indicate that the convenience store is the only place he wears the gun. It's also quite possible the guy was an off duty cop. Many officers carry their weapon when off of work, or heading to and from the station. People will also carry their pistol when going to and from the shooting range, and for the same reason the cops will. It is far easier to use a holster for what it was meant to be used for than to have extra shiat in their hands when they are getting out of the car at the gun range, after they get home, or(in the case of a police officer) when they get to work.

There doesn't have to be ANYTHING provocative about it, and to assume that he was carrying it to provoke just because the Circle K was not in a "high crime area" is to jump to a conclusion with about 5% of the data. All you have is that he was carrying a gun on his hip. There is no more you can judge this on as you present it.

Why not leave it in the car?  I know, someone might break in.  I know my car gets broken into all the time when I stop for a few minutes at a convenience store.  That's why I lock it.  Okay, so maybe it was Serpico, Jr.

And I would expect people going in and out of a shooting range to be carrying guns.  You make it sounds like a really painstaking thing to put your gun in a case and stow it under the seat.  I correctly assessed that he was not a threat in that particular convenience store at that particular time.

It still made me a bit uneasy. and if I owned  a business,  my policy would be that I'm the only one allowed to carry a gun inside of it.  Or maybe my hired mercenaries.  (I remember after a string of robberies in the '70s some dry cleaners started hiring security guards with shotguns - it was probably mostly hype.  That shiat can't be cost effective.

Unless you intend to use your gun, you probably shouldn't carry it around and like I said if some thugs had entered the store with the intent of robbing it, he would have been the first person they pointed their guns at.

You can rationalize all you want, but normal people don't openly carry wherever they go and normal people don't expect to see anyone except cops or the armored car guys carrying weapons.


Because people put it on their hop where it's easier to carry and they leave it there. They don't fark around with it. It's not that hard of a concept to grasp. Put it where it's easiest to transport and leave it there. Easy peasy.

And he could have been carrying just to carry. Still doesn't mean that he was trying to be provocative. Not all people who carry a gun are trying to scare you, just like not everyone in a nice muscle car wants to race you at a stoplight.

You may need to drag a fainting couch around for when you get the vapors.
 
2014-05-06 11:43:23 AM  
Mikey1969: repurposing it radically from its original design.

Thank you for making my point for me. A gun's design? Make a thing dead. A car's design? Transport things.
 
2014-05-06 11:57:05 AM  

Scrotastic Method: Mikey1969: repurposing it radically from its original design.

Thank you for making my point for me. A gun's design? Make a thing dead. A car's design? Transport things.


You know what? It doesn't matter at all. A car can kill you just as dead, and neither are going to kill you without an outside agent acting upon them, as I have stated multiple time. You don't have a :point:, you have an irrational fear. Those are not the same thing, just FYI.
 
2014-05-06 01:18:09 PM  
Are a poorly trimmed beard and moobs a requirement to open carry or is more of a side effect?
 
2014-05-06 01:40:16 PM  

Mikey1969: Scrotastic Method: Mikey1969: repurposing it radically from its original design.

Thank you for making my point for me. A gun's design? Make a thing dead. A car's design? Transport things.

You know what? It doesn't matter at all. A car can kill you just as dead, and neither are going to kill you without an outside agent acting upon them, as I have stated multiple time. You don't have a :point:, you have an irrational fear. Those are not the same thing, just FYI.


Worrying about every car driving down the street? Irrational fear. Worrying about an unknown human walking down the street with a military-looking weapon? Reason for concern.

Cars have lots of reasons for existing beyond killing humans. The guns pictured in TFA do not. Stop with the broken metaphor.

/I don't have an irrational fear of guns. A Remington 1187 was under the tree when I was 11. I used to be a ranked competitive shooter. I taught my wife to shoot this summer on a Glock 17 and a Walther PPK just in case some craziness occurred and she needed to know how these things worked -- because I didn't want her to have an irrational fear of weapons.
//I do have a fear of good ol' boys dumb enough to parade around with pretend soldier-boy weapons.
///But I don't care that they all own cars.
 
2014-05-06 03:30:46 PM  

Scrotastic Method: Mikey1969: Scrotastic Method: Mikey1969: repurposing it radically from its original design.

Thank you for making my point for me. A gun's design? Make a thing dead. A car's design? Transport things.

You know what? It doesn't matter at all. A car can kill you just as dead, and neither are going to kill you without an outside agent acting upon them, as I have stated multiple time. You don't have a :point:, you have an irrational fear. Those are not the same thing, just FYI.

Worrying about every car driving down the street? Irrational fear. Worrying about an unknown human walking down the street with a military-looking weapon? Reason for concern.

Cars have lots of reasons for existing beyond killing humans. The guns pictured in TFA do not. Stop with the broken metaphor.

/I don't have an irrational fear of guns. A Remington 1187 was under the tree when I was 11. I used to be a ranked competitive shooter. I taught my wife to shoot this summer on a Glock 17 and a Walther PPK just in case some craziness occurred and she needed to know how these things worked -- because I didn't want her to have an irrational fear of weapons.
//I do have a fear of good ol' boys dumb enough to parade around with pretend soldier-boy weapons.
///But I don't care that they all own cars.


So how many humans did the two of you kill?
 
2014-05-06 04:31:46 PM  

Callous: So how many humans did the two of you kill?


Don't forget to bold the rest of the quote: "in case some craziness occurred and she needed to know how these things worked -- because I didn't want her to have an irrational fear of weapons. "

Yes. She should know how a deadly weapon that's not uncommon in our society works. If I fight with a guy with a gun, if there's a zombie apocalypse, if some action movie-type crap happens in our life and she needs to know how to handle a gun, I want her to know. Yet there are zero firearms in our home. Because I don't expect to ever actually have to kill a human.
 
2014-05-06 05:06:56 PM  

Scrotastic Method: Callous: So how many humans did the two of you kill?

Don't forget to bold the rest of the quote: "in case some craziness occurred and she needed to know how these things worked -- because I didn't want her to have an irrational fear of weapons. "

Yes. She should know how a deadly weapon that's not uncommon in our society works. If I fight with a guy with a gun, if there's a zombie apocalypse, if some action movie-type crap happens in our life and she needs to know how to handle a gun, I want her to know. Yet there are zero firearms in our home. Because I don't expect to ever actually have to kill a human.


You said they are only good for killing humans.  You also said you taught her how to use one.  How many humans did the two of you kill?  Or are they actually good for something other than killing humans?
 
2014-05-06 05:34:44 PM  

Callous: Scrotastic Method: Callous: So how many humans did the two of you kill?

Don't forget to bold the rest of the quote: "in case some craziness occurred and she needed to know how these things worked -- because I didn't want her to have an irrational fear of weapons. "

Yes. She should know how a deadly weapon that's not uncommon in our society works. If I fight with a guy with a gun, if there's a zombie apocalypse, if some action movie-type crap happens in our life and she needs to know how to handle a gun, I want her to know. Yet there are zero firearms in our home. Because I don't expect to ever actually have to kill a human.

You said they are only good for killing humans.  You also said you taught her how to use one.  How many humans did the two of you kill?  Or are they actually good for something other than killing humans?


In my previous response I listed three examples of situations where I'd be okay with her shooting something -- to save my (or really any) life, to kill a zombie, or some unforeseen bizarre/statistically improbable situation from the movies.

Note that the Jack in the Box guys we're talking about had no reasonable expectation any of that would happen to them, so I'm still firmly against their dick gun waving, but it's not a wholly unreasonable position I have: in favor of stricter gun control yet still wanting people I care about to know how to handle a gun.
 
2014-05-06 06:01:37 PM  

Callous: Scrotastic Method: Callous: So how many humans did the two of you kill?

Don't forget to bold the rest of the quote: "in case some craziness occurred and she needed to know how these things worked -- because I didn't want her to have an irrational fear of weapons. "

Yes. She should know how a deadly weapon that's not uncommon in our society works. If I fight with a guy with a gun, if there's a zombie apocalypse, if some action movie-type crap happens in our life and she needs to know how to handle a gun, I want her to know. Yet there are zero firearms in our home. Because I don't expect to ever actually have to kill a human.

You said they are only good for killing humans.  You also said you taught her how to use one.  How many humans did the two of you kill?  Or are they actually good for something other than killing humans?



Guns are great for practicing for killing humans, too!  This is why most shooting ranges sell you the paper targets with the convienient human shape printed right on there, with the highest points marked on the spots that kill people the best.

Seriously, yes guns and cars are both tools---and are both dangerous to bystanders and operators if mishandled.  But you're being deliberately obtuse to pretend that the primary design goal of a gun *isn't* to be killing people and animals quickly at a distance.  That's why people invented the things in the first place.  The fact that it's fun to shoot at targets and blast apart watermelons is just a side benefit.
 
2014-05-06 06:01:40 PM  

Scrotastic Method: Callous: Scrotastic Method: Callous: So how many humans did the two of you kill?

Don't forget to bold the rest of the quote: "in case some craziness occurred and she needed to know how these things worked -- because I didn't want her to have an irrational fear of weapons. "

Yes. She should know how a deadly weapon that's not uncommon in our society works. If I fight with a guy with a gun, if there's a zombie apocalypse, if some action movie-type crap happens in our life and she needs to know how to handle a gun, I want her to know. Yet there are zero firearms in our home. Because I don't expect to ever actually have to kill a human.

You said they are only good for killing humans.  You also said you taught her how to use one.  How many humans did the two of you kill?  Or are they actually good for something other than killing humans?

In my previous response I listed three examples of situations where I'd be okay with her shooting something -- to save my (or really any) life, to kill a zombie, or some unforeseen bizarre/statistically improbable situation from the movies.

Note that the Jack in the Box guys we're talking about had no reasonable expectation any of that would happen to them, so I'm still firmly against their dick gun waving, but it's not a wholly unreasonable position I have: in favor of stricter gun control yet still wanting people I care about to know how to handle a gun.


So you're okay with people being able to defend themselves only in places you approve of and only with the tools you approve of.  Everyone else just gets to be a victim.

You still didn't answer my question.  How many humans did you and you wife kill?  Or was your statement ridiculous hyperbole and they are useful for more than just killing humans?
 
2014-05-06 06:05:12 PM  

Bonzo_1116: Callous: Scrotastic Method: Callous: So how many humans did the two of you kill?

Don't forget to bold the rest of the quote: "in case some craziness occurred and she needed to know how these things worked -- because I didn't want her to have an irrational fear of weapons. "

Yes. She should know how a deadly weapon that's not uncommon in our society works. If I fight with a guy with a gun, if there's a zombie apocalypse, if some action movie-type crap happens in our life and she needs to know how to handle a gun, I want her to know. Yet there are zero firearms in our home. Because I don't expect to ever actually have to kill a human.

You said they are only good for killing humans.  You also said you taught her how to use one.  How many humans did the two of you kill?  Or are they actually good for something other than killing humans?


Guns are great for practicing for killing humans, too!  This is why most shooting ranges sell you the paper targets with the convienient human shape printed right on there, with the highest points marked on the spots that kill people the best.

Seriously, yes guns and cars are both tools---and are both dangerous to bystanders and operators if mishandled.  But you're being deliberately obtuse to pretend that the primary design goal of a gun *isn't* to be killing people and animals quickly at a distance.  That's why people invented the things in the first place.  The fact that it's fun to shoot at targets and blast apart watermelons is just a side benefit.


In my experience target shooting is their primary use.  Billions of rounds are fired every year, yet there aren't billions of people and animals shot.
 
2014-05-06 06:20:23 PM  
Callous:

In my experience target shooting is their primary use.  Billions of rounds are fired every year, yet there aren't billions of people and animals shot.

The nominal reason why you go target shooting is so that when you do take your gun out for its designed purpose for hunting or for self-defense you are accurate and quick, and less likely to endanger others around you.  But if your primary purpose is really and truly target shooting, congrats, you bought yourself a toy.

I willingly admit my guns are essentially toys, and my AR isn't any more of a tool than a pitching wedge, really.  Saying the main USE of my guns are as target shooting toys for entertainment is true---but the design intent of it is to punch holes in living tissue, and to lose sight of that is how stupid accidents happen when dickbags don't respect the killing power of the gun they think is just for shooting at targets.
 
2014-05-06 06:29:19 PM  

Callous: You still didn't answer my question.  How many humans did you and you wife kill?  Or was your statement ridiculous hyperbole and they are useful for more than just killing humans?


I did answer your question, because my answer is C) I wanted my wife to be prepared for a bad situation.

My stance is akin to the renter's insurance policy I have: I don't actually expect my apartment to burn down, but I'd like to be able to handle that situation. Or maybe it's more like A dude with a black belt that never gets in an actual fight. As far as guns go, I hope my wife never has to point a gun at a living thing, but if she has to I'd like her to know how.

Would you argue that the guns I mentioned, a Glock 17 and a Walther PPK, were invented for other reasons than to kill human beings? One is carried by more police and security than any other weapon in the world, the other is best known as the preferred sidearm of James Bond and Sterling Archer. Or are you the one being ridiculous and ignoring my actual point?
 
2014-05-06 06:34:06 PM  

Bonzo_1116: Callous:

In my experience target shooting is their primary use.  Billions of rounds are fired every year, yet there aren't billions of people and animals shot.

The nominal reason why you go target shooting is so that when you do take your gun out for its designed purpose for hunting or for self-defense you are accurate and quick, and less likely to endanger others around you.  But if your primary purpose is really and truly target shooting, congrats, you bought yourself a toy.

I willingly admit my guns are essentially toys, and my AR isn't any more of a tool than a pitching wedge, really.  Saying the main USE of my guns are as target shooting toys for entertainment is true---but the design intent of it is to punch holes in living tissue, and to lose sight of that is how stupid accidents happen when dickbags don't respect the killing power of the gun they think is just for shooting at targets.


I don't hunt.  I rarely ever carry, but this choice is based on my assessment of the risk regarding where I'm going..  I don't have any intention of forcing my choices on others and I object to anyone else forcing their choices on others as well.  That's how you end up with things like gay marriage bans.
 
2014-05-06 06:37:15 PM  

Scrotastic Method: Callous: You still didn't answer my question.  How many humans did you and you wife kill?  Or was your statement ridiculous hyperbole and they are useful for more than just killing humans?

I did answer your question, because my answer is C) I wanted my wife to be prepared for a bad situation.

My stance is akin to the renter's insurance policy I have: I don't actually expect my apartment to burn down, but I'd like to be able to handle that situation. Or maybe it's more like A dude with a black belt that never gets in an actual fight. As far as guns go, I hope my wife never has to point a gun at a living thing, but if she has to I'd like her to know how.

Would you argue that the guns I mentioned, a Glock 17 and a Walther PPK, were invented for other reasons than to kill human beings? One is carried by more police and security than any other weapon in the world, the other is best known as the preferred sidearm of James Bond and Sterling Archer. Or are you the one being ridiculous and ignoring my actual point?


So if all they are good for is killing humans how did you teach her how to use one without killing humans?  Or was it just hyperbole?

A Corvette is designed to go 200 MPH so therefore they should be banned because they have no other use right?
 
2014-05-06 07:04:57 PM  

Callous: Bonzo_1116: Callous:

In my experience target shooting is their primary use.  Billions of rounds are fired every year, yet there aren't billions of people and animals shot.

The nominal reason why you go target shooting is so that when you do take your gun out for its designed purpose for hunting or for self-defense you are accurate and quick, and less likely to endanger others around you.  But if your primary purpose is really and truly target shooting, congrats, you bought yourself a toy.

I willingly admit my guns are essentially toys, and my AR isn't any more of a tool than a pitching wedge, really.  Saying the main USE of my guns are as target shooting toys for entertainment is true---but the design intent of it is to punch holes in living tissue, and to lose sight of that is how stupid accidents happen when dickbags don't respect the killing power of the gun they think is just for shooting at targets.

I don't hunt.  I rarely ever carry, but this choice is based on my assessment of the risk regarding where I'm going..  I don't have any intention of forcing my choices on others and I object to anyone else forcing their choices on others as well.  That's how you end up with things like gay marriage bans.


So if you don't hunt, and you rarely carry, why did you get a gun in the first place?  And when you do carry, is it concealed or open? I personally never carry open or otherwise.  I prefer to stay away from life situations where that kind of question would even come up.

As far as I'm concerned, these guys can carry all day long into whatever establishment welcomes them. But they shouldn't really be surprised when people freak the f*ck out.
 
2014-05-06 07:17:01 PM  

Bonzo_1116: Callous: Bonzo_1116: Callous:

In my experience target shooting is their primary use.  Billions of rounds are fired every year, yet there aren't billions of people and animals shot.

The nominal reason why you go target shooting is so that when you do take your gun out for its designed purpose for hunting or for self-defense you are accurate and quick, and less likely to endanger others around you.  But if your primary purpose is really and truly target shooting, congrats, you bought yourself a toy.

I willingly admit my guns are essentially toys, and my AR isn't any more of a tool than a pitching wedge, really.  Saying the main USE of my guns are as target shooting toys for entertainment is true---but the design intent of it is to punch holes in living tissue, and to lose sight of that is how stupid accidents happen when dickbags don't respect the killing power of the gun they think is just for shooting at targets.

I don't hunt.  I rarely ever carry, but this choice is based on my assessment of the risk regarding where I'm going..  I don't have any intention of forcing my choices on others and I object to anyone else forcing their choices on others as well.  That's how you end up with things like gay marriage bans.

So if you don't hunt, and you rarely carry, why did you get a gun in the first place?  And when you do carry, is it concealed or open? I personally never carry open or otherwise.  I prefer to stay away from life situations where that kind of question would even come up.

As far as I'm concerned, these guys can carry all day long into whatever establishment welcomes them. But they shouldn't really be surprised when people freak the f*ck out.


Marksmanship is an activity/skill I enjoy.  I've never shot at a human(or animal) shaped target that I can remember.  I only carry concealed.  I do my best to stay away from places that feel I need to carry in but sometimes it's somewhere I have to go.
 
2014-05-06 07:20:54 PM  

Callous: So if all they are good for is killing humans how did you teach her how to use one without killing humans?  Or was it just hyperbole?

A Corvette is designed to go 200 MPH so therefore they should be banned because they have no other use right?


Jesus Christ. Are you super dense or super bored?

When you're driving your Corvette you might be going 200mph. You might also be going to get groceries or see a movie or any number of things that require your body to go from point A to point B -- the automobile's reason for being. But when you're firing a gun, even in the best cases, you're practicing to make something dead. Which is, of course, the firearm's reason for being. Yes, that's what I was doing with my wife -- showing her how to make something dead.

The fact that something didn't die is because you need not do something to its fullest to practice being better at that thing.  I don't need to play a full 9 innings of baseball with 17 other dudes to get better at baseball. I can stand in front of a pitching machine and take a few hundred swings and that's practice. But it's not baseball. Likewise, a firing range isn't what that gun was for. And as I pointed out above, I was a competitive shooter. I used to pull 49/50s all the time on sporting clays. But Remington didn't make my gun (I was a teen and pops wasn't fronting me no Beretta) to blow up clays. They built it to snag ducks out of the sky. Tasty, tasty ducks. And fat, slow geese. And pheasant. All the sporting clays were ever really for? Making me better at killing shiat with the deathstick in my hands.

/reminds me of Eastbound and Down -- "The Olympics? Nah man, I play sports. I'm not trying to be the best at exercising
//firing range is exercise, dead things being sports in that there parallel quote...guess that makes Jody Hill the gun.
 
2014-05-06 08:06:29 PM  

unknownshooter: 100 Watt Walrus: Tuskan_Roeder: I'm a pro-gun, pro-concealed carry, pro-open carry, prior CCW permit holding combat vet gun nut, and I came here to say these guys are douchers.  Please don't judge the pro-gun movement by the likes of these AW'ing fegits.

If reasonable gun owners were more vocal about not defending the wack jobs, it would be a lot easier to believe there were more reasonable gun owners.

Stand up for reasonable safety laws. Stand up for background checks. Stand up for training certifications. Or what ever you think will help keep guns out of the hands of people who would be dangerous with them.

But the vast majority of the pro-gun movement kowtows to the NRA, and worse, let's the NRA speak for them. If you don't want to be associated with these kinds of idiots, do something to help keep these kinds of idiots in check.

nah, not standing up for background checks, fingerprints, training, or any of that worthless "feel good" legislation. background checks are already required at every licensed dealer in the country. every single one. even at gun shows. there is no gun show loophole.

the government doesnt have any right to build dossiers on gun owners, nor the right to track gun ownership. Give me a trustworthy government & we'll talk about it, but since sept 11th, we've had a power-grabby government & they haven't earned any trust through their actions since then .


Understandable POV. But something has to be done to keep dangerous weapons out of the hands of people who are unstable or irresponsible (like these idiots and most of the clowns at the Bundy ranch). What do you suggest?
 
2014-05-06 08:14:13 PM  

Scrotastic Method: Callous: So if all they are good for is killing humans how did you teach her how to use one without killing humans?  Or was it just hyperbole?

A Corvette is designed to go 200 MPH so therefore they should be banned because they have no other use right?

Jesus Christ. Are you super dense or super bored?

When you're driving your Corvette you might be going 200mph. You might also be going to get groceries or see a movie or any number of things that require your body to go from point A to point B -- the automobile's reason for being. But when you're firing a gun, even in the best cases, you're practicing to make something dead. Which is, of course, the firearm's reason for being. Yes, that's what I was doing with my wife -- showing her how to make something dead.

The fact that something didn't die is because you need not do something to its fullest to practice being better at that thing.  I don't need to play a full 9 innings of baseball with 17 other dudes to get better at baseball. I can stand in front of a pitching machine and take a few hundred swings and that's practice. But it's not baseball. Likewise, a firing range isn't what that gun was for. And as I pointed out above, I was a competitive shooter. I used to pull 49/50s all the time on sporting clays. But Remington didn't make my gun (I was a teen and pops wasn't fronting me no Beretta) to blow up clays. They built it to snag ducks out of the sky. Tasty, tasty ducks. And fat, slow geese. And pheasant. All the sporting clays were ever really for? Making me better at killing shiat with the deathstick in my hands.

/reminds me of Eastbound and Down -- "The Olympics? Nah man, I play sports. I'm not trying to be the best at exercising
//firing range is exercise, dead things being sports in that there parallel quote...guess that makes Jody Hill the gun.


You just can't seem to grasp the concept that guns have more than one purpose.  One is to shoot human beings.  I don't go to the range to practice killing people.  I go to improve my skill and score on a bullseye target.
 
2014-05-06 08:16:39 PM  

100 Watt Walrus: But something has to be done


Those words get used to justify almost every restriction on rights. Terrorists in the world? Something has to be done, let's spy on our citizens! Let's grope and feel random passengers on airlines!  Pervs stalk and abuse children, which is already a crime? Something has to be done, let's give teenagers a few years apart in age sex offender status for life! An inconsequential fringe group gets mouthy? Something has to be done!
 
2014-05-06 08:54:57 PM  

Callous: You just can't seem to grasp the concept that guns have more than one purpose.  One is to shoot human beings.  I don't go to the range to practice killing people.  I go to improve my skill and score on a bullseye target.


And like I said, all the best marksmanship in the world only makes you good at using guns. It doesn't change why guns were invented or what their true purpose is.
 
2014-05-06 08:56:16 PM  

Callous: I only carry concealed.  I do my best to stay away from places that feel I need to carry in but sometimes it's somewhere I have to go.


Aha! Hypocrite. So your innocent time at the range really IS preparation to shoot at a person, if need be, and your gun is really is more to you than a simple recreational tool. You farking dishonest dickhead.
 
2014-05-06 09:03:11 PM  

Scrotastic Method: Callous: I only carry concealed.  I do my best to stay away from places that feel I need to carry in but sometimes it's somewhere I have to go.

Aha! Hypocrite. So your innocent time at the range really IS preparation to shoot at a person, if need be, and your gun is really is more to you than a simple recreational tool. You farking dishonest dickhead.


If you think simple marksmanship prepares you for a self defense situation you are grossly under informed.
 
2014-05-06 09:25:33 PM  
Callous:

You just can't seem to grasp the concept that guns have more than one purpose.  One is to shoot human beings.  I don't go to the range to pract ...

Sure guns now have more than one "purpose" or usage pattern--but the fact remains that the primary design intent for firearms is to kill things.  The ones that are in fact purpose-built and designed for target shooting look nothing like the firearms that the vast majority of gunowners have.

Like these things:
www.eberlestock.com

as opposed to these:
img.photobucket.com

Target 22 pistols are downright freaky looking, and are clearly not intended to put a cap in anybody's ass but some regulation target downrange.
ccdl.us
 
2014-05-06 09:56:58 PM  

Callous: Scrotastic Method: Callous: I only carry concealed.  I do my best to stay away from places that feel I need to carry in but sometimes it's somewhere I have to go.

Aha! Hypocrite. So your innocent time at the range really IS preparation to shoot at a person, if need be, and your gun is really is more to you than a simple recreational tool. You farking dishonest dickhead.

If you think simple marksmanship prepares you for a self defense situation you are grossly under informed.


And if you think concealed carrying a firearm in a place you think might be scary isn't directly at odds with your "guns are hobbies and have nothing to do with shooting people for me" claims, you're either stupid or a liar.
 
2014-05-06 09:58:32 PM  

Bonzo_1116: but the fact remains that the primary design intent for firearms is to kill things.


Maybe, but amazingly enough they're responsible for a lot less death than things whose supposed primary design is for something other than killing things.
 
2014-05-06 10:16:06 PM  

pedrop357: Bonzo_1116: but the fact remains that the primary design intent for firearms is to kill things.

Maybe, but amazingly enough they're responsible for a lot less death than things whose supposed primary design is for something other than killing things.


I thought car-related deaths and gun deaths were about neck and neck now, mostly because cars are so much safer now than they used to be.  There was a long and strident thread about it a few months back.

I'm fairly sure the number of hours spent in cars outpaces the number of hours spent handling firearms, though.  I wonder what the numbers are for deaths/injuries per hour of usage.
 
2014-05-06 10:16:40 PM  

Scrotastic Method: Callous: Scrotastic Method: Callous: I only carry concealed.  I do my best to stay away from places that feel I need to carry in but sometimes it's somewhere I have to go.

Aha! Hypocrite. So your innocent time at the range really IS preparation to shoot at a person, if need be, and your gun is really is more to you than a simple recreational tool. You farking dishonest dickhead.

If you think simple marksmanship prepares you for a self defense situation you are grossly under informed.

And if you think concealed carrying a firearm in a place you think might be scary isn't directly at odds with your "guns are hobbies and have nothing to do with shooting people for me" claims, you're either stupid or a liar.


I never said that.  I said they have more than one purpose.
 
2014-05-06 10:56:11 PM  

Boojum2k: 100 Watt Walrus: But something has to be done

Those words get used to justify almost every restriction on rights. Terrorists in the world? Something has to be done, let's spy on our citizens! Let's grope and feel random passengers on airlines!  Pervs stalk and abuse children, which is already a crime? Something has to be done, let's give teenagers a few years apart in age sex offender status for life! An inconsequential fringe group gets mouthy? Something has to be done!


Point taken. But how about some suggestions from the gun owners instead of just shooting down (pardon!) everyone else's ideas?
 
2014-05-06 11:24:34 PM  

100 Watt Walrus: Boojum2k: 100 Watt Walrus: But something has to be done

Those words get used to justify almost every restriction on rights. Terrorists in the world? Something has to be done, let's spy on our citizens! Let's grope and feel random passengers on airlines!  Pervs stalk and abuse children, which is already a crime? Something has to be done, let's give teenagers a few years apart in age sex offender status for life! An inconsequential fringe group gets mouthy? Something has to be done!

Point taken. But how about some suggestions from the gun owners instead of just shooting down (pardon!) everyone else's ideas?



I think the background check to filter out violent felons / wife beaters / people so crazy they've been legal judged incompetent is just dandy, and I wish there was a good way for the system that dealers use was available to the general public, so I could do a person-to-person transaction without going to the local gun store to do the sale.  I also think that open carry is a whole lot less problematic than concealed carry, as it's obvious that you've got a gun so people are watching to see if you pull any stupid shiat. And the sort of folk you might pull stupid shiat on you are forewarned and hopefully decide not to bother.  It's a deterrent.

With concealed carry, you don't know if the guy next to you might be packing and so it's not really a deterrent. And frankly, if folks are going to be walking around with concealed weaponry, I'd much prefer that people who do so are at least not nutbags, so I'd say that the minimum requirement for concealed carry ought to be the same background check you'd have to pass if you were buying a weapon in the first place.  So a person that owns a gun that they didn't buy (inherited from a relative, say) they'd just get the background check and good to go to conceal carry.
 
2014-05-06 11:30:23 PM  

100 Watt Walrus: But how about some suggestions from the gun owners instead of just shooting down (pardon!) everyone else's ideas?


Start basic firearm safety in elementary school. My parents had basic safety so ingrained in me that I don't even point toy guns directly at people, unless it is clearly a water pistol or nerf gun, and then only by specific intent. That doesn't mean hand the kids real guns, it means educate the children. Replace irrational fear with responsible caution, it'll eliminate a good number of accidental shootings. It's a fundamental right, our education system is failing to teach new generations how to exercise their rights responsibly, in more areas than just this one.
 
2014-05-06 11:37:55 PM  

Boojum2k: 100 Watt Walrus: But how about some suggestions from the gun owners instead of just shooting down (pardon!) everyone else's ideas?

Start basic firearm safety in elementary school. My parents had basic safety so ingrained in me that I don't even point toy guns directly at people, unless it is clearly a water pistol or nerf gun, and then only by specific intent. That doesn't mean hand the kids real guns, it means educate the children. Replace irrational fear with responsible caution, it'll eliminate a good number of accidental shootings. It's a fundamental right, our education system is failing to teach new generations how to exercise their rights responsibly, in more areas than just this one.


That would be awesome, but if jackasses get up an arms over sex-ed and even vaccinations for little Neveah and Brayden, gun class certainly won't fly.  Basic firearm safety ought to be like learning to swim, it won't hurt you to learn-- and in fact could actually save your life.
 
2014-05-06 11:42:21 PM  

Bonzo_1116: That would be awesome, but if jackasses get up an arms over sex-ed and even vaccinations for little Neveah and Brayden, gun class certainly won't fly.


Congressional act or court decision if needed, but parental feelings don't override basic constitutional rights. They also don't get to stop schools from teaching girls and/or minorities they have the right to vote, for instance. Any judge or ruled in favor of a complaint like that should be removed from the bench, preferably using a rail, some warm petrochemicals, and a bag of feathers along with the official impeachment and disbarring.
 
2014-05-06 11:51:20 PM  

Boojum2k: Bonzo_1116: That would be awesome, but if jackasses get up an arms over sex-ed and even vaccinations for little Neveah and Brayden, gun class certainly won't fly.

Congressional act or court decision if needed, but parental feelings don't override basic constitutional rights. They also don't get to stop schools from teaching girls and/or minorities they have the right to vote, for instance. Any judge or ruled in favor of a complaint like that should be removed from the bench, preferably using a rail, some warm petrochemicals, and a bag of feathers along with the official impeachment and disbarring.


Judges can't compel a school to include something in its curricula, nor could training like that be mandated without some kind of out for objections of religion or conscience.  Quakers and Jains would have an absolute shiat-fit, and rightly so.  I think it would be good if maybe the county sheriff's office hosted classes for any interested citizen and their kids.

But now you'd need to pay for that somehow.  :(
 
2014-05-07 12:00:10 AM  

Bonzo_1116: Judges can't compel a school to include something in its curricula, nor could training like that be mandated without some kind of out for objections of religion or conscience. Quakers and Jains would have an absolute shiat-fit, and rightly so.


Wrongly so. No one would be teaching their kids to commit violence, they'd be teaching them the important safety considerations for a fundamental right. I don't think Southern Baptists can successfully argue that teaching their daughters that they have a right to vote violates their religion, now, can they? Same here. I suppose they could try not teaching it in private schools, but there'd probably be a clear case of violating the student's constitutional rights there.

Congress could certainly require it in the curricula, the courts would just be needed to shoot down the screaming mimis. The only difficult issue with it is that it's a long term solution that can work and doesn't advance a specific short-term political agenda.
 
2014-05-07 12:18:35 AM  

Boojum2k: Bonzo_1116: Judges can't compel a school to include something in its curricula, nor could training like that be mandated without some kind of out for objections of religion or conscience. Quakers and Jains would have an absolute shiat-fit, and rightly so.

Wrongly so. No one would be teaching their kids to commit violence, they'd be teaching them the important safety considerations for a fundamental right. I don't think Southern Baptists can successfully argue that teaching their daughters that they have a right to vote violates their religion, now, can they? Same here. I suppose they could try not teaching it in private schools, but there'd probably be a clear case of violating the student's constitutional rights there.

Congress could certainly require it in the curricula, the courts would just be needed to shoot down the screaming mimis. The only difficult issue with it is that it's a long term solution that can work and doesn't advance a specific short-term political agenda.


Nope.  DC only gets their preferences into local curricula by making receiving federal money contingent on them using a fed-compliant curriculum.  There is no national law that requires kids attend school and learn the things Sentor X thinks they should.

People have zero "right" to be positively informed of bupkis, even if that information would be critical to the exercise of a constitutional right.  The county registrar of voters doesn't have the right to force all citizens to sit through a 30 minute presentation on the voting process.  They need to tell you truthful information when you come looking for it, but they are under no obligation to come find you and strap you to a chair and lecture you on it.
 
2014-05-07 12:23:17 AM  

Bonzo_1116: DC only gets their preferences into local curricula by making receiving federal money


Well, considering that is how things get done, that's how it should be done.
 
2014-05-07 12:26:26 AM  

100 Watt Walrus: Boojum2k: 100 Watt Walrus: But something has to be done

Those words get used to justify almost every restriction on rights. Terrorists in the world? Something has to be done, let's spy on our citizens! Let's grope and feel random passengers on airlines!  Pervs stalk and abuse children, which is already a crime? Something has to be done, let's give teenagers a few years apart in age sex offender status for life! An inconsequential fringe group gets mouthy? Something has to be done!

Point taken. But how about some suggestions from the gun owners instead of just shooting down (pardon!) everyone else's ideas?


Sounds great!

cdn.bearingarms.com
 
2014-05-07 01:04:01 AM  

Callous: You said they are only good for killing humans. You also said you taught her how to use one. How many humans did the two of you kill? Or are they actually good for something other than killing humans?


You're making a very bad argument.

Yes, the reason he wants her to know how to use one is so that if the need arises, she will be able to use it to kill humans.

That doesn't mean that while learning basic shooting skills, they are shooting everyone they see.
 
2014-05-07 01:41:31 AM  

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: 100 Watt Walrus: Boojum2k: 100 Watt Walrus: But something has to be done

Those words get used to justify almost every restriction on rights. Terrorists in the world? Something has to be done, let's spy on our citizens! Let's grope and feel random passengers on airlines!  Pervs stalk and abuse children, which is already a crime? Something has to be done, let's give teenagers a few years apart in age sex offender status for life! An inconsequential fringe group gets mouthy? Something has to be done!

Point taken. But how about some suggestions from the gun owners instead of just shooting down (pardon!) everyone else's ideas?

Sounds great!

[cdn.bearingarms.com image 850x502]


Thanks for the picture that means nothing to me.
 
2014-05-07 02:05:18 AM  

Bonzo_1116: I think the background check to filter out violent felons / wife beaters / people so crazy they've been legal judged incompetent is just dandy, and I wish there was a good way for the system that dealers use was available to the general public, so I could do a person-to-person transaction without going to the local gun store to do the sale.  I also think that open carry is a whole lot less problematic than concealed carry, as it's obvious that you've got a gun so people are watching to see if you pull any stupid shiat. And the sort of folk you might pull stupid shiat on you are forewarned and hopefully decide not to bother.  It's a deterrent.

With concealed carry, you don't know if the guy next to you might be packing and so it's not really a deterrent. And frankly, if folks are going to be walking around with concealed weaponry, I'd much prefer that people who do so are at least not nutbags, so I'd say that the minimum requirement for concealed carry ought to be the same background check you'd have to pass if you were buying a weapon in the first place.  So a person that owns a gun that they didn't buy (inherited from a relative, say) they'd just get the background check and good to go to conceal carry.


I'm with you on open-carry, up to a point. How about some laws about how, what and where one carries?

A hand gun might be a good "daily driver." But it should be holstered and strapped, with the safety on - by law.

And how about reasonable restrictions for anything with more firepower? The laws would have to be written carefully, because were there ever actually a legitimate need for a well-regulated militia, such restrictions must not be used to deny 2nd Amendment rights. But for example, there's no legitimate reason to walk into a Jack-In-the-Box armed to the teeth. I'm not going to propose specific legislation here, but obviously the general, polite-society dictate of "don't be an asshole" isn't getting the job done with some gun owners.


Boojum2k: Start basic firearm safety in elementary school. My parents had basic safety so ingrained in me that I don't even point toy guns directly at people, unless it is clearly a water pistol or nerf gun, and then only by specific intent. That doesn't mean hand the kids real guns, it means educate the children. Replace irrational fear with responsible caution, it'll eliminate a good number of accidental shootings. It's a fundamental right, our education system is failing to teach new generations how to exercise their rights responsibly, in more areas than just this one.


Ingraining guns more deeply into the culture is not the way to go. It's a right to own firearms. It's not remotely a necessity, and I don't see much value in making people learn about them if they don't want to. I've been to a firing range several times, fired handguns, rifles, shotguns and an Uzi. I get why people enjoy guns, and I get why people think it's important for them to know and understand guns, their history, one's rights regarding guns, and the responsibility that comes with them. But I have zero interest in owning one, and I have zero interest in any children I may have learning about guns unless guns interest them especially.

Now, if you'd like to talk about basic firearm safety courses being something required of anyone who buys a gun, I'm with you 100%. In fact, how about that be a mandatory before you're handed the weapon?
 
2014-05-07 04:24:19 AM  

100 Watt Walrus: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: 100 Watt Walrus: Boojum2k: 100 Watt Walrus: But something has to be done

Those words get used to justify almost every restriction on rights. Terrorists in the world? Something has to be done, let's spy on our citizens! Let's grope and feel random passengers on airlines!  Pervs stalk and abuse children, which is already a crime? Something has to be done, let's give teenagers a few years apart in age sex offender status for life! An inconsequential fringe group gets mouthy? Something has to be done!

Point taken. But how about some suggestions from the gun owners instead of just shooting down (pardon!) everyone else's ideas?

Sounds great!

[cdn.bearingarms.com image 850x502]

Thanks for the picture that means nothing to me.


Andy Raymond. A gun owner with a suggestion.
 
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