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(Slate)   Neil deGrasse Tyson assures us that the earth will survive global climate change. People won't, but the earth will be just fine. (Video)   (slate.com) divider line 136
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2014-05-05 10:42:20 PM  
 
2014-05-06 12:58:28 AM  

IC Stars: There's no place like home
to return to

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OMG the 50-foot woman ate one of the Devo guys!
 
2014-05-06 01:06:29 AM  

IlGreven: lake_huron: mr lawson: Monty845: Nature had its chance and blew it.

WE ARE NATURE.
I think it did quite well.

No no no.

You see, when a beaver builds a dam, or bees build a hive, that's NATURAL.

When humans building a building, that's UNNATURAL.

See the distinction?

/I don't, but many people do for some reason.
//News flash: living things change their environments.

Carlin did that one, too.

"The word "natural" is completely meaningless! Everything is natural! Nature includes everything! It's not just trees and flowers! It's everything! A chemical company's toxic waste is completely natural! It's part of the nature! We're all part of nature! Everything is natural! Dog shiat is natural! It's just not real good food!"


I always snicker at foods being labelled "organic". Pretty sure even my 'conventionally farmed' apples are as carbon-containing as the 'organic' kind!
 
2014-05-06 04:14:32 AM  

yakmans_dad: Hasn't it usually been much worse than the bland predictions? WWI was going to be over by Christmas. (In case you want an example and have forgotten.) Weren't we going to be greeted as liberators in Iraq? (In case you want another example and have forgotten.)


You're comparing social / political predictions to technological predictions. Global warming won't make our technology disappear, but with some luck it'll wipe out the fundies, who  want our technology to disappear.

In fact, I'd say it's the people who cling to the high-tech solutions who have the best chance of surviving the climate change. Vertical farming FTW.


/why does fark insist on two space characters in front of words in italic?
 
2014-05-06 08:20:00 AM  

HotIgneous Intruder: Jon Snow: we've already increased the extinction rate above the background level.

LOL, whut.

/Judas Priest.
//Background extinction rate of AGW trolls, you mean.
///"background extinction rate" wtf.
////Begone, troll.


Maybe he meant the extinction noise floor.
 
2014-05-06 08:32:03 AM  

Uncle Tractor: yakmans_dad: Hasn't it usually been much worse than the bland predictions? WWI was going to be over by Christmas. (In case you want an example and have forgotten.) Weren't we going to be greeted as liberators in Iraq? (In case you want another example and have forgotten.)

You're comparing social / political predictions to technological predictions. Global warming won't make our technology disappear, but with some luck it'll wipe out the fundies, who  want our technology to disappear.

In fact, I'd say it's the people who cling to the high-tech solutions who have the best chance of surviving the climate change. Vertical farming FTW.



You seem to think that AGW won't have any social/political effects. Why? The Arab Spring was caused by unrest brought about by increases in the cost of food. The last time I looked if you lose a year's agricultural production the cost of food goes up. There's currently a wee bit of unrest among Muslims. I'm guessing that persistent food shortages might aggravate that unrest.
 
2014-05-06 08:34:23 AM  

SevenizGud: Meanwhile, on THIS globe:

[www.woodfortrees.org image 640x480]
Warming is juuuuuuuuuuuuuuuust around the corner.

Boo!


I've always loved the line on that chart. There's no explanation for the origin or function of that line. It's just a line drawn on a chart! (We do this all the time. Don't bother replying. Even with your cherry-picked data there's still warming.)
 
2014-05-06 09:16:39 AM  
Neil deGrasse Tyson trolled earth on Twitter and it's pretty hilarious?
 
2014-05-06 12:24:15 PM  
OMG! The Climate has never changed before! The Earth's climate was always static before now! Everybody panic!

angryblackladychronicles.com
 
2014-05-06 01:53:32 PM  

JeffDenver: OMG! The Climate has never changed before! The Earth's climate was always static before now! Everybody panic!

[angryblackladychronicles.com image 160x75]


And none of those previous changes caused mass extinctions or a collapse of a civilization, right?

Oh wait, they did. Nobody thinks climate change is going to exterminate the human species, but it sure as hell might destroy technological civilization which I, for one, am fond of.
 
2014-05-06 02:03:30 PM  

Lord Dimwit: JeffDenver: OMG! The Climate has never changed before! The Earth's climate was always static before now! Everybody panic!

[angryblackladychronicles.com image 160x75]

And none of those previous changes caused mass extinctions or a collapse of a civilization, right?

Oh wait, they did. Nobody thinks climate change is going to exterminate the human species, but it sure as hell might destroy technological civilization which I, for one, am fond of.


Yes, there was definitely a mass extinction during the Little Ice Age and Medieval Warm Period. We had Dinosaurs before then. You can see them in all the paintings from those periods.
 
2014-05-06 02:38:10 PM  

SevenizGud: Meanwhile, on THIS globe:

[www.woodfortrees.org image 640x480]
Warming is juuuuuuuuuuuuuuuust around the corner.

Boo!



As always, the counter-arguments are here and here. Each time you ignore them you just prove yourself to be more and more irrational and dishonest.
 
2014-05-06 02:59:14 PM  

JeffDenver: Lord Dimwit: JeffDenver: OMG! The Climate has never changed before! The Earth's climate was always static before now! Everybody panic!

[angryblackladychronicles.com image 160x75]

And none of those previous changes caused mass extinctions or a collapse of a civilization, right?

Oh wait, they did. Nobody thinks climate change is going to exterminate the human species, but it sure as hell might destroy technological civilization which I, for one, am fond of.

Yes, there was definitely a mass extinction during the Little Ice Age and Medieval Warm Period. We had Dinosaurs before then. You can see them in all the paintings from those periods.



Be aware that not all changes to the climate are identical in scope, severity and impact. The relatively small changes during the little ice age and medieval warm period are smaller than the current warming trend and both are much smaller than the changes seen during past mass extinction events. Just because smaller changes have not had much effect in regards to extinction does not mean that larger changes will do the same.

Along the same lines, that the hot water from your tap isn't hot enough to hurt you when you wash your hands doesn't mean it won't hurt if you plunge your hand into boiling water.
 
2014-05-06 03:53:02 PM  
Yes, I've heard all the equivocations. If the weather gets hotter, it means global warming. If it gets colder, that also means global warming. Any weather change at all is clear evidence of global warming.

Vague arguments are awesome...they're impossible to lose.
 
2014-05-06 04:03:08 PM  

JeffDenver: Yes, I've heard all the equivocations. If the weather gets hotter, it means global warming. If it gets colder, that also means global warming. Any weather change at all is clear evidence of global warming.

Vague arguments are awesome...they're impossible to lose.



It's more that weather isn't the same as climate. Individual instances of weather do not say much about climate one way or another, and the existence of such individual events is not inconsistent with global warming. Put in a more general way, single events do not say much about longer-term trends. It's this sort of fine distinction that may be where your perception of vagueness comes from.

Changes over time, however, as the changes you were previously talking about, are a bit different in that they're talking about a sufficient amount of time in which we can draw inferences about longer-term climate (again, not the same as short-term weather).

As in many things, the details actually matter. If arguments seem vague to you, be sure it's not because the source you're looking at only describes these things superficially.
 
2014-05-06 04:05:17 PM  

JeffDenver: OMG! The Climate has never changed before! The Earth's climate was always static before now! Everybody panic!


People have died before. So, if a group of men with guns start shooting up your house, don't panic. (Or complain! Or even try to get out of the way!) It's just like before. It can't help but be just like before. People have died. That's just how it is.
 
2014-05-06 04:18:27 PM  
Why do the same intellectually dishonest dumbasses always come into these threads and post the same, tired stupidity?
 
2014-05-06 04:20:24 PM  

ArcadianRefugee: Why do the same intellectually dishonest dumbasses always come into these threads and post the same, tired stupidity?


Yes! Burn the witches! Disagreement will not be tolerated!
 
2014-05-06 04:35:42 PM  

JeffDenver: Yes! Burn the witches! Disagreement will not be tolerated!


Disagreement will be challenged, to experimentally determine its (and your) classification -- reflective versus reflective, widely informed versus shallowly informed, eruditely eloquent versus ineptly incoherent, and so on.

memedepot.com



Granted, you'll also be insulted; however, if you ignore the likes of ArcadianRefugee and pay more attention to responding to the points raised by the likes of Damnhippyfreak, you have an excellent opportunity to persuade.

JeffDenver: Yes, I've heard all the equivocations.


Like these?
 
2014-05-06 04:54:35 PM  

JeffDenver: ArcadianRefugee: Why do the same intellectually dishonest dumbasses always come into these threads and post the same, tired stupidity?

Yes! Burn the witches! Disagreement will not be tolerated!



Be aware that the post you're responding to is in itself a response to a poster that has, indeed, been posting pretty much the same thing again and again over the course of years and is in the habit of ignoring when it's debunked. It's the "Evolution is the tinfoil hat used by atheists to keep God out of their brainwaves" of climate change threads. For all intents and purposes, the characterization of "intellectually dishonest" and "same" and "tired" is pretty much correct and it is this, not the act of disagreement that is objectionable.
 
2014-05-06 04:56:17 PM  

abb3w: JeffDenver: Yes! Burn the witches! Disagreement will not be tolerated!

Disagreement will be challenged, to experimentally determine its (and your) classification -- reflective versus reflective, widely informed versus shallowly informed, eruditely eloquent versus ineptly incoherent, and so on.

[memedepot.com image 413x413]

Granted, you'll also be insulted; however, if you ignore the likes of ArcadianRefugee and pay more attention to responding to the points raised by the likes of Damnhippyfreak, you have an excellent opportunity to persuade.

JeffDenver: Yes, I've heard all the equivocations.

Like these?


LOL, your crybaby picture applies to you more than me. Wipe away those tears, it's just an opinion. No one murdered your mother.

i290.photobucket.com
 
2014-05-06 05:02:42 PM  
How dare us deniers not take this VERY IMPORTANT ISSUE seriously! Who do we think we are? Global Warming™ is an extremely important issue that we should be very concerned about. And it is profoundly offensive that we do not take it as seriously as you do.

www.politicsforum.org
 
2014-05-06 05:17:52 PM  

JeffDenver: abb3w: JeffDenver: Yes! Burn the witches! Disagreement will not be tolerated!

Disagreement will be challenged, to experimentally determine its (and your) classification -- reflective versus reflective, widely informed versus shallowly informed, eruditely eloquent versus ineptly incoherent, and so on.

[memedepot.com image 413x413]

Granted, you'll also be insulted; however, if you ignore the likes of ArcadianRefugee and pay more attention to responding to the points raised by the likes of Damnhippyfreak, you have an excellent opportunity to persuade.

JeffDenver: Yes, I've heard all the equivocations.

Like these?

LOL, your crybaby picture applies to you more than me. Wipe away those tears, it's just an opinion. No one murdered your mother.

[i290.photobucket.com image 600x450]


JeffDenver: How dare us deniers not take this VERY IMPORTANT ISSUE seriously! Who do we think we are? Global Warming™ is an extremely important issue that we should be very concerned about. And it is profoundly offensive that we do not take it as seriously as you do.

[www.politicsforum.org image 576x481]



It's not us who is complaining about perceived persecution. The counter-arguments I for one presented still stand here and here, and you're still more than welcome to address them, or present new arguments.
.
While you don't have to take the issue seriously, you do give up a certain claim to the rational, evidence-driven high ground when you do so. That's fine, it's a heavy subject, and this is FARK after all. I just caution against starting out seriously then abandoning it as sour grapes after having one's arguments soundly refuted.
 
2014-05-06 05:28:29 PM  

Damnhippyfreak: While you don't have to take the issue seriously, you do give up a certain claim to the rational, evidence-driven high ground when you do so.


And Fark is definitely the place to post rational arguments. Because everyone on here is very mature and logical and accepting of alternative viewpoints.

LOL, Just kidding. Fark threads are basically like a Pedophile running a preschool. It is always a mistake to expect a serious rational discussion in here. Especially if the Fark peanut gallery doesn't agree with you.
 
2014-05-06 05:50:55 PM  

JeffDenver: Damnhippyfreak: While you don't have to take the issue seriously, you do give up a certain claim to the rational, evidence-driven high ground when you do so.

And Fark is definitely the place to post rational arguments. Because everyone on here is very mature and logical and accepting of alternative viewpoints.

LOL, Just kidding. Fark threads are basically like a Pedophile running a preschool. It is always a mistake to expect a serious rational discussion in here. Especially if the Fark peanut gallery doesn't agree with you.



That's just fine. Just be aware that sometimes you can have a mature and logical discussion in here that does accept alternative viewpoints.  The thing is that you actually have to discuss things mature and logically yourself in order for that to work. Not addressing the arguments presented and instead denouncing the thread and playing the victim is not conducive to this.
 
2014-05-06 05:57:31 PM  

JeffDenver: abb3w: JeffDenver: Yes! Burn the witches! Disagreement will not be tolerated!

Disagreement will be challenged, to experimentally determine its (and your) classification -- reflective versus reflective, widely informed versus shallowly informed, eruditely eloquent versus ineptly incoherent, and so on.

[memedepot.com image 413x413]

Granted, you'll also be insulted; however, if you ignore the likes of ArcadianRefugee and pay more attention to responding to the points raised by the likes of Damnhippyfreak, you have an excellent opportunity to persuade.

JeffDenver: Yes, I've heard all the equivocations.

Like these?

LOL, your crybaby picture applies to you more than me. Wipe away those tears, it's just an opinion. No one murdered your mother.

[i290.photobucket.com image 600x450]


I murdered your mother last night.

With my penis.
 
2014-05-06 05:57:41 PM  

JeffDenver: ArcadianRefugee: Why do the same intellectually dishonest dumbasses always come into these threads and post the same, tired stupidity?

Yes! Burn the witches! Disagreement will not be tolerated!


If by "disagreement" you mean something like this:

X: Wrong, because 1!
Y: Well, no. See 9.
X: But 1! Ha!
Y: Uhm, I just showed you 9, which refutes 1. There's also 7, 12, and 14.
X: 1!
Y: But one is only part of 3 and doesn't accurately represent it. Especially if you consider 4--
X: 1!!!!

Then yes, "disagreement will not be tolerated".

If knucklehead over there brings something new to the table, instead of insisting that, somehow, his graph means a damned thing, maybe someone will listen to him.

abb3w: if you ignore the likes of ArcadianRefugee and pay more attention to responding to the points raised by the likes of Damnhippyfreak, you have an excellent opportunity to persuade.


They don't, which was the point.

But maybe somehow you'll be the one to convince them.
 
2014-05-06 06:04:57 PM  

yakmans_dad: You seem to think that AGW won't have any social/political effects.


What gives you that idea? Look at our history. Wars and times of crisis have a tendency of speeding up our technological development. Just look at WWI and WWII. (and yes, there was plenty of unrest in both cases)
 
2014-05-06 06:08:11 PM  

TyrantII: JeffDenver: abb3w: JeffDenver: Yes! Burn the witches! Disagreement will not be tolerated!

Disagreement will be challenged, to experimentally determine its (and your) classification -- reflective versus reflective, widely informed versus shallowly informed, eruditely eloquent versus ineptly incoherent, and so on.

[memedepot.com image 413x413]

Granted, you'll also be insulted; however, if you ignore the likes of ArcadianRefugee and pay more attention to responding to the points raised by the likes of Damnhippyfreak, you have an excellent opportunity to persuade.

JeffDenver: Yes, I've heard all the equivocations.

Like these?

LOL, your crybaby picture applies to you more than me. Wipe away those tears, it's just an opinion. No one murdered your mother.

[i290.photobucket.com image 600x450]

I murdered your mother last night.

With my penis.


I know, we got it on the security cam. She died laughing.
 
2014-05-06 06:13:52 PM  

JeffDenver: TyrantII: JeffDenver: abb3w: JeffDenver: Yes! Burn the witches! Disagreement will not be tolerated!

Disagreement will be challenged, to experimentally determine its (and your) classification -- reflective versus reflective, widely informed versus shallowly informed, eruditely eloquent versus ineptly incoherent, and so on.

[memedepot.com image 413x413]

Granted, you'll also be insulted; however, if you ignore the likes of ArcadianRefugee and pay more attention to responding to the points raised by the likes of Damnhippyfreak, you have an excellent opportunity to persuade.

JeffDenver: Yes, I've heard all the equivocations.

Like these?

LOL, your crybaby picture applies to you more than me. Wipe away those tears, it's just an opinion. No one murdered your mother.

[i290.photobucket.com image 600x450]

I murdered your mother last night.

With my penis.

I know, we got it on the security cam. She died laughing.


Yeah, but then he just did it again.
 
2014-05-06 07:20:16 PM  

JeffDenver: Damnhippyfreak: While you don't have to take the issue seriously, you do give up a certain claim to the rational, evidence-driven high ground when you do so.

And Fark is definitely the place to post rational arguments. Because everyone on here is very mature and logical and accepting of alternative viewpoints.

LOL, Just kidding. Fark threads are basically like a Pedophile running a preschool. It is always a mistake to expect a serious rational discussion in here. Especially if the Fark peanut gallery doesn't agree with you.


It used to be better, but it has certainly become more chaotic.  You won't find much for rationality in this politics tab spill over topic.

abb3w: responding to the points  disingenuine fallacies raised by the likes of Damnhippyfreak, you have an excellent opportunity to persuade. not be mocked in a blunt manner, but in a more round about way so as to not blatantly break fark posting rules.


Sure, he makes points, but like the pedo in that preschool who does incidentally teach some of the time to try and make it look like he's innocent, he'll also come up with some zany fallacies, tantamount to the pedo's claims that it was consensual.(ie twisting the kid's words to mean what he wants them to mean).  He handles allegations about as well as a pedo teacher would too(which is to say badly).
 
2014-05-06 07:37:51 PM  

omeganuepsilon: abb3w: responding to the points disingenuine fallacies raised by the likes of Damnhippyfreak, you have an excellent opportunity to persuade. not be mocked in a blunt manner, but in a more round about way so as to not blatantly break fark posting rules.

Sure, he makes points, but like the pedo in that preschool who does incidentally teach some of the time to try and make it look like he's innocent, he'll also come up with some zany fallacies, tantamount to the pedo's claims that it was consensual.(ie twisting the kid's words to mean what he wants them to mean). He handles allegations about as well as a pedo teacher would too(which is to say badly).



If you think I've gotten something wrong now or in the past, you're more than welcome to bring it up so we can address it. I do make mistakes from time to time and do appreciate it when it's brought to my attention.

As for mocking, I do tend to sneak in jabs here and there, but I try not to let it be central to my argument. I mean, some arguments are so bad that they almost need to be mocked. However, if you feel you've been wronged by a particular post, let me know and we can discuss it.
 
2014-05-06 08:01:02 PM  
I like how he strives to sound genuine and honest here, but never really is when in the middle of a thread.

Ooh, people are paying attention, better be on my bestest behavior!

/snerk
 
2014-05-06 08:14:04 PM  

omeganuepsilon: I like how he strives to sound genuine and honest here, but never really is when in the middle of a thread.

Ooh, people are paying attention, better be on my bestest behavior!

/snerk


I'd like to think I'm like this regardless of the position in a thread, but again, if you think I've wronged you in some way you're more than welcome to bring up the instance so we can resolve it.

I'm extending a friendly hand here, but you gotta come through on the other side!
 
2014-05-06 09:17:29 PM  

Lord Dimwit: Oh wait, they did. Nobody thinks climate change is going to exterminate the human species, but it sure as hell might destroy technological civilization which I, for one, am fond of.


It's not a problem.

media.boingboing.net
 
2014-05-06 10:56:21 PM  

Forbidden Doughnut: yakmans_dad: When the heat/drought whammy hits the US and Canada, then the US will suddenly find the will  to do the right thing. (That's my prediction at least.)

If the bulk ( pun intended ) of the population can't be kept fat, dumb*, and happy with cheap energy, and more importantly, cheap food, then yeah, we'll be forced to do the "right thing"....


*with mass media


"Fat, Dumb and Happy" is the name of my movie.
 
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