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(The Atlantic)   The correlation between states with Republican governors and states with the worst health care is mere coincidence   (theatlantic.com) divider line 90
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2014-05-05 12:04:25 PM  
The only thing that matters is that the Republican governors have and will always have excellent healthcare.

Just keep scaring the poors into voting GOP and everything will be OK to the people who really matter
 
2014-05-05 12:05:51 PM  
You get what you vote for.
 
NFA
2014-05-05 12:24:24 PM  

Demetrius: You get what you vote for.


Which is interesting.  Republicans routinely tout the virtues of the economic affairs of the State of Texas but call California a failed welfare state.  Texas is over 1/4 of a trillion dollars in debt and has 4,000,000 welfare recipients.  Texas has more welfare recipients per capita than California has and about the same debt per capita .
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2014-05-05 12:33:37 PM  
NFA:
Which is interesting.  Republicans routinely tout the virtues of the economic affairs of the State of Texas but call California a failed welfare state.  Texas is over 1/4 of a trillion dollars in debt and has 4,000,000 welfare recipients.  Texas has more welfare recipients per capita than California has and about the same debt per capita .

Yes, but you don't hear that from Fox so it doesn't count.
 
2014-05-05 12:36:25 PM  
The free market will fix this.
 
2014-05-05 12:37:11 PM  
I think this next round of elections, especially the 2016 presidential elections are going to be very interesting.  The GOP has the opportunity to embrace the ACA, and work toward making health care access affordable for all Americans...buttttt...I think the nutty Tea-Party is still going to be a giant gorilla on their back.
 
2014-05-05 12:39:52 PM  
This has got to be one of the most asinine studies ever.

Health  status evolves over generations, not election cycles. Do you think people in the south just started getting fat and losing teeth when they switched from Dem to Repub Governors? Also, I know for a fact (having been a health care exec  for 30 years) that Michigan and Wisconsin have two of the finest health care environments in the country and have for many years, yet are rated third quartile. I guess they both went to hell in the last six years when they elected Repub governors.

Seriously, not even Farklibs can take this shiate seriously, can they?
 
2014-05-05 12:51:06 PM  
Mississippi ranks last

You'd think Mississippi would get tired of seeing this phrase at some point.

If you were asked, "Which state ranks last in.." and you answered "Mississippi" before they even finished, you'd have pretty goddamn good odds.
 
2014-05-05 01:51:33 PM  

IamKaiserSoze!!!: This has got to be one of the most asinine studies ever.

Health  status evolves over generations, not election cycles. Do you think people in the south just started getting fat and losing teeth when they switched from Dem to Repub Governors? Also, I know for a fact (having been a health care exec  for 30 years) that Michigan and Wisconsin have two of the finest health care environments in the country and have for many years, yet are rated third quartile. I guess they both went to hell in the last six years when they elected Repub governors.

Seriously, not even Farklibs can take this shiate seriously, can they?


No one takes your shiat seriously whether they are a fark lib or not.
 
2014-05-05 01:58:59 PM  

IamKaiserSoze!!!: Health  status evolves over generations


generations of dimwits working and voting against their interests to benefit the fat cats

I completely agree
 
2014-05-05 02:28:07 PM  

IamKaiserSoze!!!: This has got to be one of the most asinine studies ever.

Health  status evolves over generations, not election cycles. Do you think people in the south just started getting fat and losing teeth when they switched from Dem to Repub Governors?


The study involved more than just being fat and "toofless"...


Also, I know for a fact (having been a health care exec  for 30 years) that Michigan and Wisconsin have two of the finest health care environments in the country and have for many years, yet are rated third quartile. (snip)

Seriously, not even Farklibs can take this shiate seriously, can they?



I'm sure most of them are not taking what you characterized seriously.  Michigan and Wisconsin are in the *top* quartile.  This is shown in the first image on the page - the one dealing with the *overall* rating.  The images with Michigan and Wisconsin in the third quartile specifically deal with tooth decay and deaths per 100,000 people.
 
2014-05-05 03:27:56 PM  

Relatively Obscure: Mississippi ranks last

You'd think Mississippi would get tired of seeing this phrase at some point.

If you were asked, "Which state ranks last in.." and you answered "Mississippi" before they even finished, you'd have pretty goddamn good odds.


It's amazing, isn't it? Dumb, fat, unhealthy, poor, dying early, and consistently voting for the GOP guys that keep you there is no way to go through statehood, son!
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2014-05-05 03:29:53 PM  

IamKaiserSoze!!!: This has got to be one of the most asinine studies ever.

Health  status evolves over generations, not election cycles. Do you think people in the south just started getting fat and losing teeth when they switched from Dem to Repub Governors? Also, I know for a fact (having been a health care exec  for 30 years) that Michigan and Wisconsin have two of the finest health care environments in the country and have for many years, yet are rated third quartile. I guess they both went to hell in the last six years when they elected Repub governors.

Seriously, not even Farklibs can take this shiate seriously, can they?


I think anyone who understands that the poor healthcare and desire to vote for Republicans are effects of a common cause rather than one being the cause of the other would take it seriously.
 
2014-05-05 03:44:51 PM  

Endive Wombat: I think this next round of elections, especially the 2016 presidential elections are going to be very interesting.  The GOP has the opportunity to embrace the ACA, and work toward making health care access affordable for all Americans...buttttt...I think the nutty Tea-Party is still going to be a giant gorilla on their back.


HAHAH HAHHA HAHAHAHAHAAH HAHAHAH
nice one

There is no chance that the current GOP is going to change their platform.
They are CERTAIN (right or wrong) that if they do so, they will lose too many votes!!

Any GOP that changes their position on Obamacare will get branded as a RINO and get primaried by a TRUE BELIEVER (tm).

So yah, blaming the GOP problems on the tea party ... well ... Their problems have existed since Reagan.
 
2014-05-05 03:54:07 PM  

Demetrius: You get what you vote for.


Kind of. Democrats in Alabama aren't getting what they voted for.
 
2014-05-05 04:19:25 PM  
There you go again, bringin' up the facts.
 
2014-05-05 04:32:09 PM  

IamKaiserSoze!!!: This has got to be one of the most asinine studies ever.

Health  status evolves over generations, not election cycles. Do you think people in the south just started getting fat and losing teeth when they switched from Dem to Repub Governors? Also, I know for a fact (having been a health care exec  for 30 years) that Michigan and Wisconsin have two of the finest health care environments in the country and have for many years, yet are rated third quartile. I guess they both went to hell in the last six years when they elected Repub governors.

Seriously, not even Farklibs can take this shiate seriously, can they?


yes, but when you at democratic States like Hawaii, Vermont and Massachusetts you see health care outcomes clearly improving because of progressive health care policies doing exactly what they proposed to do.


I agree the cause and effect is twisted in this study.

1) ignorant people elect republican leaders
2) republican leaders enact poor public policy
3) ignorance breeds ignorance
4) goto 1

If you are in this cycle you probably have a Republican governor and shiatty health care.
 
2014-05-05 04:38:07 PM  

DamnYankees: Demetrius: You get what you vote for.

Kind of. Democrats in Alabama aren't getting what they voted for.


What...all 3 of them?
 
2014-05-05 05:21:20 PM  

NFA: Demetrius: You get what you vote for.

Which is interesting.  Republicans routinely tout the virtues of the economic affairs of the State of Texas but call California a failed welfare state.  Texas is over 1/4 of a trillion dollars in debt and has 4,000,000 welfare recipients.  Texas has more welfare recipients per capita than California has and about the same debt per capita .


Not possible. I've been informed that Texas's balanced budget amendment means it can't have any debt.
 
2014-05-05 05:22:39 PM  
That's the plan subby. Keeps workers desperate, cheap, and chained to their jobs. The "free market" is only free at the top, by design.
 
2014-05-05 05:23:46 PM  
Nearly a quarter of West Virginians have lost six or more teeth

Yeah, toothpaste is cheap. This has nothing to do with the health care system and everything to do with people who don't take care of themselves.
 
2014-05-05 05:25:00 PM  

IamKaiserSoze!!!: This has got to be one of the most asinine studies ever.

Health  status evolves over generations, not election cycles. Do you think people in the south just started getting fat and losing teeth when they switched from Dem to Repub Governors? Also, I know for a fact (having been a health care exec  for 30 years) that Michigan and Wisconsin have two of the finest health care environments in the country and have for many years, yet are rated third quartile. I guess they both went to hell in the last six years when they elected Repub governors.

Seriously, not even Farklibs can take this shiate seriously, can they?


No, they switched from voting for Democrats to voting for Republicans because the GOP embraced the backwards, retarded nature of southern conservatism. It was this little thing called the Southern Strategy, but I suspect you ignore that as liberal revisionist history.
 
2014-05-05 05:25:09 PM  
Also, a lot of these places with Republican governors also recently had Democratic governors, so...
 
2014-05-05 05:26:45 PM  

UNC_Samurai: IamKaiserSoze!!!: This has got to be one of the most asinine studies ever.

Health  status evolves over generations, not election cycles. Do you think people in the south just started getting fat and losing teeth when they switched from Dem to Repub Governors? Also, I know for a fact (having been a health care exec  for 30 years) that Michigan and Wisconsin have two of the finest health care environments in the country and have for many years, yet are rated third quartile. I guess they both went to hell in the last six years when they elected Repub governors.

Seriously, not even Farklibs can take this shiate seriously, can they?

No, they switched from voting for Democrats to voting for Republicans because the GOP embraced the backwards, retarded nature of southern conservatism. It was this little thing called the Southern Strategy, but I suspect you ignore that as liberal revisionist history.


Look how stupid you are.
 
2014-05-05 05:28:18 PM  

jigger: Also, a lot of these places with Republican governors also recently had Democratic governors, so...


Go ahead. Lay out the analysis that supports this assertion. I'm sure it will be fascinating.
 
2014-05-05 05:28:32 PM  
Wow.  The Teatards get really sensitive when confronted with facts and stuff.
 
2014-05-05 05:28:51 PM  

jigger: Nearly a quarter of West Virginians have lost six or more teeth

Yeah, toothpaste is cheap. This has nothing to do with the health care system and everything to do with people who don't take care of themselves.


In West Virginia, I imagine tooth loss has a lot to do with meth.
 
2014-05-05 05:29:13 PM  

NFA: Which is interesting.  Republicans routinely tout the virtues of the economic affairs of the State of Texas but call California a failed welfare state.  Texas is over 1/4 of a trillion dollars in debt and has 4,000,000 welfare recipients.  Texas has more welfare recipients per capita than California has and about the same debt per capita .


Yes, but we have slightly fewer wildfires and, although we do have the occasional earthquake since we started fracking, we still have a lot less than Cali. All things considered I think we win.
 
2014-05-05 05:30:40 PM  

jigger: UNC_Samurai: IamKaiserSoze!!!: This has got to be one of the most asinine studies ever.

Health  status evolves over generations, not election cycles. Do you think people in the south just started getting fat and losing teeth when they switched from Dem to Repub Governors? Also, I know for a fact (having been a health care exec  for 30 years) that Michigan and Wisconsin have two of the finest health care environments in the country and have for many years, yet are rated third quartile. I guess they both went to hell in the last six years when they elected Repub governors.

Seriously, not even Farklibs can take this shiate seriously, can they?

No, they switched from voting for Democrats to voting for Republicans because the GOP embraced the backwards, retarded nature of southern conservatism. It was this little thing called the Southern Strategy, but I suspect you ignore that as liberal revisionist history.

Look how stupid you are.


Try logging in with the correct alt next time, troll.
 
2014-05-05 05:32:31 PM  

UrukHaiGuyz: That's the plan subby. Keeps workers desperate, cheap, and chained to their jobs. The "free market" is only free at the top, by design.


I think that's part of it. But we already HAD a huge number of people with no health insurance, so they weren't "chained to their job" because of that.

The only explanation that makes sense is that the Republicans simply hate poor people (especially poor people that aren't white), and want them to die. Poor people tend to vote for Democrats, after all. Except in the south, where many poor people are racists, and will vote against their own interests because they hate anybody that isn't a racist.

Basically, Republicans are evil farks. Someday, we'll view the Republican Party of the late 20th and early 21st century the same way we view the Ku Klux Klan. Vicious idiots.
 
2014-05-05 05:34:00 PM  
Part of the GOP Master Plan is to keep lambasting California, Massachusetts and New York as "welfare states." Then the 47% takers will move out of their True American Christian states and further the downward spiral until Obamacare Death Panels put them out of their whiny liberal misery once and for all.
 
2014-05-05 05:34:49 PM  
Quin (R) frowns on your schenanigans.
 
2014-05-05 05:42:14 PM  

born_yesterday: Wow.  The Teatards get really sensitive when confronted with facts and stuff.


Facts are like Kryptonite to a Teabagger.

"Hey, Teabagger.  Here are some facts....."

'NNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!  NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!"
 
2014-05-05 05:44:22 PM  

mrshowrules: I agree the cause and effect is twisted in this study.

1) ignorant people elect republican leaders
2) republican leaders enact poor public policy
3) ignorance breeds ignorance
4) goto 1

If you are in this cycle you probably have a Republican governor and shiatty health care.


Well, it might just be a coincidence, but the the link between historical secessionism and general current shiat-hole-iness is pretty strong:

Obesity:
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Poverty:
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red shading indicates a poverty rates between 17.9 and 22.8 percent. Orange indicates 15.9 to 17.8 percent; light orange, 12.2-15.8 percent; pale yellow, 9 to 12.1 percent.

Teen birth rates:
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Cigarette Smokers
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Economic Mobility
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average percentile rank of children who grow up in below-median income families across areas of the U.S. (absolute upward mobility). Lighter colors represent areas where children from low-income families are more likely to move up in the income distribution.

Minimum Wage
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Happiness:
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2014-05-05 05:45:54 PM  

Ctrl-Alt-Del: mrshowrules: I agree the cause and effect is twisted in this study.

1) ignorant people elect republican leaders
2) republican leaders enact poor public policy
3) ignorance breeds ignorance
4) goto 1

If you are in this cycle you probably have a Republican governor and shiatty health care.

Well, it might just be a coincidence, but the the link between historical secessionism and general current shiat-hole-iness is pretty strong:

Obesity:
[img.fark.net image 570x404]

Poverty:
[img.fark.net image 570x411]
red shading indicates a poverty rates between 17.9 and 22.8 percent. Orange indicates 15.9 to 17.8 percent; light orange, 12.2-15.8 percent; pale yellow, 9 to 12.1 percent.

Teen birth rates:
[img.fark.net image 570x444]
Cigarette Smokers
[img.fark.net image 570x434]

Economic Mobility
[img.fark.net image 570x331]
average percentile rank of children who grow up in below-median income families across areas of the U.S. (absolute upward mobility). Lighter colors represent areas where children from low-income families are more likely to move up in the income distribution.

Minimum Wage
[img.fark.net image 570x355]
[i.huffpost.com image 570x73]

Happiness:
[img.fark.net image 570x422]


Excuse me, but have those graphs been unskewed?
 
2014-05-05 05:53:20 PM  

realmolo: Poor people tend to vote for Democrats, after all. Except in the south, where many poor people are racists, and will vote against their own interests because they hate anybody that isn't a racist.


Of possible interest:  voting patterns in the 2012 election by income and state.  Under $30k/y, no state votes Republican except Alabama.  That changes by $50k/y.

graphics8.nytimes.com
 
2014-05-05 05:54:31 PM  

Ctrl-Alt-Del: mrshowrules: I agree the cause and effect is twisted in this study.

1) ignorant people elect republican leaders
2) republican leaders enact poor public policy
3) ignorance breeds ignorance
4) goto 1

If you are in this cycle you probably have a Republican governor and shiatty health care.

Well, it might just be a coincidence, but the the link between historical secessionism and general current shiat-hole-iness is pretty strong:

Obesity:
[img.fark.net image 570x404]

Poverty:
[img.fark.net image 570x411]
red shading indicates a poverty rates between 17.9 and 22.8 percent. Orange indicates 15.9 to 17.8 percent; light orange, 12.2-15.8 percent; pale yellow, 9 to 12.1 percent.

Teen birth rates:
[img.fark.net image 570x444]
Cigarette Smokers
[img.fark.net image 570x434]

Economic Mobility
[img.fark.net image 570x331]
average percentile rank of children who grow up in below-median income families across areas of the U.S. (absolute upward mobility). Lighter colors represent areas where children from low-income families are more likely to move up in the income distribution.

Minimum Wage
[img.fark.net image 570x355]
[i.huffpost.com image 570x73]

Happiness:
[img.fark.net image 570x422]


The "Poverty" one is a large contributor to the rest of them.
 
2014-05-05 05:56:28 PM  
As the study authors , 16 of the states in the bottom half of the ranking have opted not to expand Medicaid under the Affordable Care Act to adults making up to 138 percent of the federal poverty level.

Given that the federal government pays all of the expansion costs for three years and 90% after that, the GOP states that have failed to expand coverage still can't cite a valid reason for their actions. They just farking hate Obama/democrats and apparently are fine with people having no health care coverage leading to worse health outcomes and thus a higher rate of avoidable deaths. It's worth people dying to spite Obama.
 
2014-05-05 05:57:49 PM  
I'm reasonably sure that there's a correlation between "I won on the Republican ticket" and "I didn't get into politics in order to represent my constituents, dumbass."
 
2014-05-05 05:57:59 PM  

qorkfiend: NFA: Demetrius: You get what you vote for.

Which is interesting.  Republicans routinely tout the virtues of the economic affairs of the State of Texas but call California a failed welfare state.  Texas is over 1/4 of a trillion dollars in debt and has 4,000,000 welfare recipients.  Texas has more welfare recipients per capita than California has and about the same debt per capita .

Not possible. I've been informed that Texas's balanced budget amendment means it can't have any debt.


Texas establishes a two year budget, so often times there are short falls or surpluses.

Texas cities, counties, school districts, and other municipal districts on the other hand are allowed to incurs debt and sell bonds.
 
2014-05-05 06:00:26 PM  

Ambitwistor: realmolo: Poor people tend to vote for Democrats, after all. Except in the south, where many poor people are racists, and will vote against their own interests because they hate anybody that isn't a racist.

Of possible interest:  voting patterns in the 2012 election by income and state.  Under $30k/y, no state votes Republican except Alabama.  That changes by $50k/y.

[graphics8.nytimes.com image 480x350]


Interesting though that chart has to be missing data for many states. To name one example, there's no way that Oklahoma is effectively evenly split at all income levels. It's deep, deep red.
 
2014-05-05 06:00:28 PM  

IamKaiserSoze!!!: This has got to be one of the most asinine studies ever.

Health  status evolves over generations, not election cycles. Do you think people in the south just started getting fat and losing teeth when they switched from Dem to Repub Governors? Also, I know for a fact (having been a health care exec  for 30 years) that Michigan and Wisconsin have two of the finest health care environments in the country and have for many years, yet are rated third quartile. I guess they both went to hell in the last six years when they elected Repub governors.

Seriously, not even Farklibs can take this shiate seriously, can they?


I don't think anybody is claiming that the old Yellow Dog Democrats were particularly better than their modern Republican successors.
 
2014-05-05 06:03:54 PM  

NFA: Demetrius: You get what you vote for.

Which is interesting.  Republicans routinely tout the virtues of the economic affairs of the State of Texas but call California a failed welfare state.  Texas is over 1/4 of a trillion dollars in debt and has 4,000,000 welfare recipients.   Texas has more welfare recipients per capita than California has and about the same debt per capita .


Those Texas/California numbers really surprised me, so I checked your math, and, uh.....

Texas debt per capita: $1,568
California debt per capita: $3,060
Source

Texans on welfare:115,690 out of 24,326,974, or 1 in every 210 people
Californians on welfare: 1,216,866 out of 38,049,462, or 1 in every 31 people
Source (data is for 2008)

Now, I'm a Texan, and our Republican governor (and the man likely to replace him) is a twat, but that doesn't excuse bad statistics.
 
2014-05-05 06:10:34 PM  
Can't be.  A loyal GoPer once hounded me for post after post declaring the red states in the US to be far superior.  This must be propaganda.
 
2014-05-05 06:23:20 PM  
I live in one of the sane states. What scares me is that general dumbassery is trying to march up the coast to to take over.

Stand strong, NOVA! You are our only bulwark!
 
2014-05-05 06:25:21 PM  

patrick767: As the study authors , 16 of the states in the bottom half of the ranking have opted not to expand Medicaid under the Affordable Care Act to adults making up to 138 percent of the federal poverty level.

Given that the federal government pays all of the expansion costs for three years and 90% after that, the GOP states that have failed to expand coverage still can't cite a valid reason for their actions. They just farking hate Obama/democrats and apparently are fine with people having no health care coverage leading to worse health outcomes and thus a higher rate of avoidable deaths. It's worth people dying to spite Obama.


But aren't they more likely to be republicans? This seems to be a self-correcting problem.
 
2014-05-05 06:30:58 PM  

Ambitwistor: Of possible interest:  voting patterns in the 2012 election by income and state.  Under $30k/y, no state votes Republican except Alabama.  That changes by $50k/y.


Wow!  I wonder if anybody has infromed the GOP that it would be in their interest to make better paying jobs available to people outside the 1%.
 
2014-05-05 06:35:23 PM  

Demetrius: DamnYankees: Demetrius: You get what you vote for.

Kind of. Democrats in Alabama aren't getting what they voted for.

What...all 3 of them?


It's easy to broad brush and characterize Republican majority states as 'red states' but denying the opposition exists is just goofy. 800,000 Alabama citizens (38%) voted for a Democrat in 2012.
 
2014-05-05 06:37:22 PM  

qorkfiend: jigger: Also, a lot of these places with Republican governors also recently had Democratic governors, so...

Go ahead. Lay out the analysis that supports this assertion. I'm sure it will be fascinating.


What analysis? That the states had Dem governors as recently as the last governor?


UNC_Samurai: jigger: UNC_Samurai: IamKaiserSoze!!!: This has got to be one of the most asinine studies ever.

Health  status evolves over generations, not election cycles. Do you think people in the south just started getting fat and losing teeth when they switched from Dem to Repub Governors? Also, I know for a fact (having been a health care exec  for 30 years) that Michigan and Wisconsin have two of the finest health care environments in the country and have for many years, yet are rated third quartile. I guess they both went to hell in the last six years when they elected Repub governors.

Seriously, not even Farklibs can take this shiate seriously, can they?

No, they switched from voting for Democrats to voting for Republicans because the GOP embraced the backwards, retarded nature of southern conservatism. It was this little thing called the Southern Strategy, but I suspect you ignore that as liberal revisionist history.

Look how stupid you are.

Try logging in with the correct alt next time, troll.


It was just funny how you totally misunderstood the post you were so confidently responding to.
 
2014-05-05 06:41:21 PM  

maxheck: I live in one of the sane states. What scares me is that general dumbassery is trying to march up the coast to to take over.

Stand strong, NOVA! You are our only bulwark!


You called Washington, DC a sane state. Ha ha! O wow!
 
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