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(Quad City Times)   Norm McDonald, director of bridges and structures for the Iowa DOT, says the state is the second-worst for structurally deficient bridges in the country. Who is to blame for this terrifying mess? You guessed it: Frank Stallone   (qctimes.com) divider line 67
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ZAZ [TotalFark]
2014-05-05 08:23:04 AM  
The study by the American Road & Transportation Builders Association said there are 63,000 structurally deficient bridges across the country and if they were laid end to end, they would stretch from Boston to Miami.

This is an excellent idea. It would ease congestion along I-95, and put the added risk on Florida and Boston drivers.
 
2014-05-05 08:23:21 AM  
Crack whores!
 
2014-05-05 08:50:41 AM  
...Or so the Germans would have us believe...
 
2014-05-05 09:12:50 AM  
Wow, getting fired from SNL really hurt his career.
 
2014-05-05 10:02:41 AM  

Chris Ween: Crack whores!


Assistant crack whore!
 
2014-05-05 10:04:44 AM  
Hai guise, Iowanian here~

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2014-05-05 10:08:01 AM  
BOX OFFICE POISON!
 
2014-05-05 10:14:23 AM  
We actually got a C+ in bridges.  Only one in nine is structurally deficient and we're only spending $8 billion less per year than we need to.  Only.
 
2014-05-05 10:15:50 AM  
Maybe they could think up a plan to fix it with a giant mustard stain.
 
2014-05-05 10:22:20 AM  
They built their bridges with b-o-r-e-d's.
 
2014-05-05 10:24:01 AM  
And now, the fake news!
 
2014-05-05 10:25:09 AM  

dletter: They built their bridges with b-o-r-e-d's.


And their cities on rock and roll?
 
2014-05-05 10:27:12 AM  
illinois dot?
 
2014-05-05 10:28:47 AM  

naughtyrev: Wow, getting fired from SNL really hurt his career.


Seems like only yesterday he was shilling for 1-800-SAFE-AUTO.
 
2014-05-05 10:31:35 AM  

Carn: We actually got a C+ in bridges.   Only one in nine is structurally deficient and we're only spending $8 billion less per year than we need to.  Only.


Why is it that we approach real dangers like diseases, road infrastructure, pipeline infrastructure, power grid problems, etc... like this... but when it comes to statistically near-zero threats like terrorism, we'll piss away trillions of dollars? Would it be so much better to die in a natural failure bridge collapse than a terrorist-devised bridge collapse that it's just not worth the same attention?
 
2014-05-05 10:31:40 AM  
nothing will be done until people die.  sad but true.
 
2014-05-05 10:32:51 AM  

The Beatings Will Continue Until Morale Improves: illinois dot?


I know, that just doesn't make any sense.  Wonder who is #1?
 
2014-05-05 10:36:43 AM  
BRIDGES
2,462 of the 27,045bridges in Ohio  (9.1%) are considered  structurally deficient.

4,311of the 27,045bridges in Ohio  (15.9%) are considered  functionally obsolete.


ROADS
Driving on roads in need of repair  costs Ohio motorists $1.685 million a year in extra vehicle repairs and operating costs -  $212 per motorist.

42% of Ohio's roads are in poor or mediocre condition.


Check your states report card here

http://www.infrastructurereportcard.org/
 
2014-05-05 10:37:51 AM  

firefly212: Carn: We actually got a C+ in bridges.   Only one in nine is structurally deficient and we're only spending $8 billion less per year than we need to.  Only.

Why is it that we approach real dangers like diseases, road infrastructure, pipeline infrastructure, power grid problems, etc... like this... but when it comes to statistically near-zero threats like terrorism, we'll piss away trillions of dollars? Would it be so much better to die in a natural failure bridge collapse than a terrorist-devised bridge collapse that it's just not worth the same attention?


Because there's no political glory in making sure the roads work, diseases don't happen, or for bridges to stay in one piece.  Those only make the news if something bad happens.

It's easier to make a political name for yourself by yammering about how Obamacare will destroy us all or Benghazi instead of actually fixing our crumbling infrastructure.
 
2014-05-05 10:41:41 AM  

firefly212: Carn: We actually got a C+ in bridges.   Only one in nine is structurally deficient and we're only spending $8 billion less per year than we need to.  Only.

Why is it that we approach real dangers like diseases, road infrastructure, pipeline infrastructure, power grid problems, etc... like this... but when it comes to statistically near-zero threats like terrorism, we'll piss away trillions of dollars? Would it be so much better to die in a natural failure bridge collapse than a terrorist-devised bridge collapse that it's just not worth the same attention?


I don't know, seems like a pretty big problem to me with a big payoff.  We have a shiatton of infrastructure that needs to be rebuilt.  This could employ millions of construction workers, engineers, surveyors, planners, etc for decades, and we hopefully won't see another I35 disaster.
 
2014-05-05 10:43:38 AM  

Dog Welder: firefly212: Carn: We actually got a C+ in bridges.   Only one in nine is structurally deficient and we're only spending $8 billion less per year than we need to.  Only.

Why is it that we approach real dangers like diseases, road infrastructure, pipeline infrastructure, power grid problems, etc... like this... but when it comes to statistically near-zero threats like terrorism, we'll piss away trillions of dollars? Would it be so much better to die in a natural failure bridge collapse than a terrorist-devised bridge collapse that it's just not worth the same attention?

Because there's no political glory in making sure the roads work, diseases don't happen, or for bridges to stay in one piece.  Those only make the news if something bad happens.

It's easier to make a political name for yourself by yammering about how Obamacare will destroy us all or Benghazi instead of actually fixing our crumbling infrastructure.


Infrastructure spending isn't sexy or flashy. So it gets ignored. Meanwhile, flipping on my news every morning lets me see new sinkholes and water main breaks are a daily occurence in my shiatcore state of PA.

I'd be shocked.. *SHOCKED* if the money being collected in this state for road maintenance and bridge repair was actually being used for such and not being shoveled into pet projects and bank accounts.
 
2014-05-05 10:45:09 AM  

dittybopper: ...Or so the Germans would have us believe...


All I know is that Germans love David Hasselhoff.
 
2014-05-05 10:50:38 AM  
Your bridge to the afterlife.

encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com
 
2014-05-05 10:54:04 AM  
Did he say anything about his gay son (NSFW)?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8FHJHjFWu94
 
2014-05-05 10:57:51 AM  
My god was this a lost opportunity.
 
2014-05-05 11:01:08 AM  
Maybe Brandstad was skimming the infrastructure fund for more hush money?
 
2014-05-05 11:07:11 AM  
The Flaming Deathtraps of Madison County? Finally, chick-lit I can dip my balls in!
 
2014-05-05 11:08:50 AM  

ltdanman44: BRIDGES
2,462 of the 27,045bridges in Ohio  (9.1%) are considered  structurally deficient.

4,311of the 27,045bridges in Ohio  (15.9%) are considered  functionally obsolete.


ROADS
Driving on roads in need of repair  costs Ohio motorists $1.685 million a year in extra vehicle repairs and operating costs -  $212 per motorist.

42% of Ohio's roads are in poor or mediocre condition.


Check your states report card here

http://www.infrastructurereportcard.org/


Do we have an actual evaluation from a non-lobby group that seems to only communicate in infographics.
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2014-05-05 11:10:26 AM  
This is obvious.  He's been too centered lately on selling cheap car insurance.
 
2014-05-05 11:11:16 AM  

Carn: firefly212: Carn: We actually got a C+ in bridges.   Only one in nine is structurally deficient and we're only spending $8 billion less per year than we need to.  Only.

Why is it that we approach real dangers like diseases, road infrastructure, pipeline infrastructure, power grid problems, etc... like this... but when it comes to statistically near-zero threats like terrorism, we'll piss away trillions of dollars? Would it be so much better to die in a natural failure bridge collapse than a terrorist-devised bridge collapse that it's just not worth the same attention?

I don't know, seems like a pretty big problem to me with a big payoff.  We have a shiatton of infrastructure that needs to be rebuilt.  This could employ millions of construction workers, engineers, surveyors, planners, etc for decades, and we hopefully won't see another I35 disaster.


Republicans can/will not allow something like that to happen under 'this administration'.  Spending on infrastructure is bad (when there's a democrat in the white house)... blowing trillions out your ass to waste in two different deserts is just fine though (when there's a good, wholesome, conservative Christian in the white house).
 
2014-05-05 11:14:28 AM  
According to the "report" on California:

Bridges
2,978 of the  24,812 bridges in California  (12.0%) are considered structurally deficient.
4,178 of the  24,812 bridges in California  (16.8%) are considered functionally obsolete.
California received  $429.3 million from the Federal Highway Bridge Fund in FY2011.

i.e. California is in worse shape than Ohio. Of course we spend $6 Billion on a replacement bridge which is probably no safer than the bridge it replaces, and had so much corruption during the build, that parts of it may be more dangerous with bad concrete and non-replaceable corroding cables for earthquake support.
 
2014-05-05 11:15:31 AM  

Vitamin Pb: ltdanman44: BRIDGES
2,462 of the 27,045bridges in Ohio  (9.1%) are considered  structurally deficient.

4,311of the 27,045bridges in Ohio  (15.9%) are considered  functionally obsolete.


ROADS
Driving on roads in need of repair  costs Ohio motorists $1.685 million a year in extra vehicle repairs and operating costs -  $212 per motorist.

42% of Ohio's roads are in poor or mediocre condition.


Check your states report card here

http://www.infrastructurereportcard.org/

Do we have an actual evaluation from a non-lobby group that seems to only communicate in infographics.


Yeah, what would the American Society of Civil Engineers know about roads and bridges anyway?

Here's the pdf version

They report that in 2012 there were 66,749 bridges that are structurally deficient and another 84,748 that are functionally obsolete.  Are you trying to assert that their numbers are wrong, or are you just riding the ad hominem train to victory?
 
2014-05-05 11:17:54 AM  

firefly212: Carn: We actually got a C+ in bridges.   Only one in nine is structurally deficient and we're only spending $8 billion less per year than we need to.  Only.

Why is it that we approach real dangers like diseases, road infrastructure, pipeline infrastructure, power grid problems, etc... like this... but when it comes to statistically near-zero threats like terrorism, we'll piss away trillions of dollars? Would it be so much better to die in a natural failure bridge collapse than a terrorist-devised bridge collapse that it's just not worth the same attention?


==========

When you spend lots of money on 'security', you hire a lot of people to walk around all day to carry guns and push around the peasantry.  You hire people to fix shiat, that's like work.  What would you rather do?  Get well paid to walk around all day with a gun and badge, or spend your day doing actual work?
 
2014-05-05 11:18:02 AM  
O.J. Simpson would have also been acceptable.

Because he murdered his wife!
 
2014-05-05 11:32:34 AM  

Carn: Yeah, what would the American Society of Civil Engineers know about roads and bridges anyway?


It's a group that benefits directly when there are more repairs to be made.

It would be like the union of coal miners doing a "study" and concluding that we should use more coal.  Well, duh.

For whatever reason, people are willing the ASCE a pass, maybe because they figure engineers are professionals who are above that sort of thing.  But I am always leery of numbers that come from people who might benefit from those numbers.
 
2014-05-05 11:35:42 AM  

Dog Welder: firefly212: Carn: We actually got a C+ in bridges.   Only one in nine is structurally deficient and we're only spending $8 billion less per year than we need to.  Only.

Why is it that we approach real dangers like diseases, road infrastructure, pipeline infrastructure, power grid problems, etc... like this... but when it comes to statistically near-zero threats like terrorism, we'll piss away trillions of dollars? Would it be so much better to die in a natural failure bridge collapse than a terrorist-devised bridge collapse that it's just not worth the same attention?

Because there's no political glory in making sure the roads work, diseases don't happen, or for bridges to stay in one piece.  Those only make the news if something bad happens.

It's easier to make a political name for yourself by yammering about how Obamacare will destroy us all or Benghazi instead of actually fixing our crumbling infrastructure.


Right. Because the Republicans were the ones complaining that those "shovel-ready" infrastructure jobs would go to "white male construction workers". Oh, wait. That was Robert Reich (posting back in 2009 on his now-deleted blog). The Boston Globe (in a 2008 opinion column), and the New York Times (in a 2008 op-ed piece) similarly weighed in with hand-wringing columns about the lack of stimulus jobs for women and the unskilled. The upshot of this was that infrastructure projects (which require skilled laborers who do happen to be mostly male and white) went nowhere.

If you're assigning blame for the lack of progress in repairing and replacing our critical infrastructure, take a long hard look at the liberal interest groups who can't stop playing identity politics long enough to build some goddamned bridges--even though people of all genders, races, and sexual orientations would benefit from the safer, modern infrastructure that we'd get from it.
 
2014-05-05 11:36:25 AM  
I wish I would have known that before I bought that Buick.
 
2014-05-05 11:37:59 AM  
According to the  Itanman44 link there are 264 dams in North Dakota. Are they including beaver dams or am I missing something in the American to Canadian translation?
 
2014-05-05 11:38:48 AM  

aerojockey: Carn: Yeah, what would the American Society of Civil Engineers know about roads and bridges anyway?

It's a group that benefits directly when there are more repairs to be made.

It would be like the union of coal miners doing a "study" and concluding that we should use more coal.  Well, duh.

For whatever reason, people are willing the ASCE a pass, maybe because they figure engineers are professionals who are above that sort of thing.  But I am always leery of numbers that come from people who might benefit from those numbers.



Bridges are designed by structural engineers.
 
2014-05-05 11:39:37 AM  

aerojockey: Carn: Yeah, what would the American Society of Civil Engineers know about roads and bridges anyway?

It's a group that benefits directly when there are more repairs to be made.

It would be like the union of coal miners doing a "study" and concluding that we should use more coal.  Well, duh.

For whatever reason, people are willing the ASCE a pass, maybe because they figure engineers are professionals who are above that sort of thing.  But I am always leery of numbers that come from people who might benefit from those numbers.


So provide a source which conflicts with their numbers.
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2014-05-05 11:40:16 AM  

Cybernetic: If you're assigning blame for the lack of progress in repairing and replacing our critical infrastructure, take a long hard look at the liberal interest groups who can't stop playing identity politics long enough to build some goddamned bridges--even though people of all genders, races, and sexual orientations would benefit from the safer, modern infrastructure that we'd get from it.


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d23 [TotalFark]
2014-05-05 11:40:57 AM  

max_pooper: aerojockey: Carn: Yeah, what would the American Society of Civil Engineers know about roads and bridges anyway?

It's a group that benefits directly when there are more repairs to be made.

It would be like the union of coal miners doing a "study" and concluding that we should use more coal.  Well, duh.

For whatever reason, people are willing the ASCE a pass, maybe because they figure engineers are professionals who are above that sort of thing.  But I am always leery of numbers that come from people who might benefit from those numbers.


Bridges are designed by structural engineers.


We can't hire structural engineers!  That money is earmarked for more managers!
 
2014-05-05 11:44:20 AM  
static.tvgcdn.net

Note to self: Stay off the bridges in Iowa
 
2014-05-05 11:50:04 AM  
Norm McDonald Turd Ferguson, director of bridges and structures for the Iowa DOT...
 
2014-05-05 11:52:10 AM  
Our crumbling infrastructure is the biggest threat to this country. It makes anything that foreign states or Al Qaeda are doing to us look like peanuts. It costs us at least billions of dollars every year in lost productivity.

But, hey, we can cross that river by filling it with tanks we drug out of junkyards.
 
2014-05-05 11:52:19 AM  

ltdanman44: BRIDGES
2,462 of the 27,045bridges in Ohio  (9.1%) are considered  structurally deficient.

4,311of the 27,045bridges in Ohio  (15.9%) are considered  functionally obsolete.


ROADS
Driving on roads in need of repair  costs Ohio motorists $1.685 million a year in extra vehicle repairs and operating costs -  $212 per motorist.

42% of Ohio's roads are in poor or mediocre condition.


Check your states report card here

http://www.infrastructurereportcard.org/


"Functionally obsolete" just means that the bridge doesn't have enough lanes, needs the rails upgraded, or the lanes or shoulder is too narrow. IOW if there's a project on that road adjacent to the bridge, it can be brought up to current standards by including the work in that construction project.

"Structurally deficient" is a way to measure how the bridge is deteriorating over time. A brand new bridge has a "sufficiency rating" of 100. Every year it loses 2 points from that rating even with regularly scheduled maintenance. When a bridge's SR rating reaches 50, it qualifies for inclusion in the Federal bridge replacement program, meaning Federal money can be used to replace it. A low SR does not mean the bridge is unsafe; it means that maintenance will become more often and could become more expensive, but it is not in danger of collapse.

At some point in its life a bridge reaches the point where routine maintenance can't do much more, and the bridge inspectors will lower the maximum allowed weight limit for it. I've replaced a bridge with a SR of 4 and a weight limit of 3 tons; it was the oldest vehicular bridge in NC and was first built in 1896, then dismantled and rebuilt in its current location back in 1925. As long as the weight limit was followed it was a good structure, although it was only 10' wide and swayed a bit when you drove a car across it (it was an old metal truss bridge, now converted into a pedestrian/bicycle structure).
 
2014-05-05 11:53:39 AM  
What's the deal with structurally deficient bridges? And airline food?
 
2014-05-05 11:58:37 AM  
We can't spend money on something as useless as civil infrastructure!  There's subsidies for obscenely profitable industries to pay, and costly useless military hardware bondoggles to requisition!
 
2014-05-05 12:10:59 PM  
Please, we all know who is truly at fault. George W. Bush.

From what I've heard since 2002 or so, he was also on the grassy knoll in Dallas on 11/22/63, caused the sinking of the Lusitania and Titanic, and was also the person who gave John Wilkes Booth the gun to kill Lincoln.
 
2014-05-05 12:13:07 PM  

naughtyrev: Wow, getting fired from SNL really hurt his career.


Screwed and Dirty Work didn't help it any.
 
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