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(USA Today)   Mobile apps are now replacing cash on college campuses. They have also replaced TVs, radios, any need for human contact   (usatoday.com) divider line 59
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2014-05-05 10:35:53 AM  
This has to be one of the most stupid ideas I've heard of.
 
2014-05-05 10:36:22 AM  
Right now it needs to settle down to a smaller number of apps that users can trust.  Having to re-enter my credit card into a different app for every restaurant I go to, is going to defeat the convenience.

Mobile payment works best for bar tabs though.  Can just close out and walk away at the end of the night without having to spend 20 minutes waiting for the bar tender to notice you.
 
2014-05-05 11:38:48 AM  
Unlike the bank apps, Venmo plays up the "social" aspect of campus life. It posts payment updates for friends to see within the app. For instance, payments of split lunches, car payments and bar hops are clearly visible in the social field.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!...... no.
 
2014-05-05 03:49:22 PM  
How many apps does it take to buy a meal from the cafeteria? Is this another crypto-currency?

/dnrtfa
 
2014-05-05 03:49:38 PM  
Prophetic.

img.fark.net
 
2014-05-05 03:50:42 PM  
i.imgur.com
 
2014-05-05 03:50:47 PM  
once the oculus rift is perfected, we'll strap you in and you'll forget that it's not a simulation

it's better than life
 
2014-05-05 03:51:31 PM  
I can almost see an app to split bills as being convenient.  Social aspect is pretty gimmicky.  Still, how hard is doing the math yourself?
 
2014-05-05 03:51:51 PM  
Didn't ID cards replace cash a couple decades ago?  That's where all our money was stored in the nineties..
 
2014-05-05 03:52:22 PM  
Japan has been doing this for 10 years...at least
 
2014-05-05 03:55:21 PM  
When you can use it to order and pay for hookers and weed, I'll consider it.
 
2014-05-05 03:57:13 PM  

Plant Rights Activist: I can almost see an app to split bills as being convenient.  Social aspect is pretty gimmicky.  Still, how hard is doing the math yourself?


Check out www.splitwise.com

You have to enter the bill manually but it keeps track of who owes who what for what bill.

It'd be really nice if restaurants stored your bill in itemized form and let you access it post-binger.
 
2014-05-05 03:58:45 PM  

MelGoesOnTour: This has to be one of the most stupid ideas I've heard of.


You sound old.
 
2014-05-05 04:01:58 PM  

gingerjet: MelGoesOnTour: This has to be one of the most stupid ideas I've heard of.

You sound old.


Take this tip: Invest all your money in this and see what happens.
 
2014-05-05 04:03:56 PM  
Venmo being owned by Paypal is a non starter for me.

But the social part of it is pretty damn dumb as well,  if that couldn't be turned off then no thanks,  even if it wasn't from Paypal.

I'd love to use my phone to pay for everything but everyone coming out with their own NFC/ payment app. isn't helping this happen.
 
2014-05-05 04:07:31 PM  
How are there so many luddites on fark?
 
2014-05-05 04:12:29 PM  

Plant Rights Activist: I can almost see an app to split bills as being convenient.  Social aspect is pretty gimmicky.  Still, how hard is doing the math yourself?


s2.quickmeme.com
 
2014-05-05 04:12:38 PM  

ikanreed: How are there so many luddites on fark?


There's a difference between not embracing technology and not embracing stupid technology.

This is stupid.
 
2014-05-05 04:14:28 PM  
I work a service desk on a college campus so if it keeps them from coming up and asking questions I"m all for it
 
2014-05-05 04:17:53 PM  

Plant Rights Activist: I can almost see an app to split bills as being convenient.  Social aspect is pretty gimmicky.  Still, how hard is doing the math yourself?


Surely the app they're talking about is more than a calculator, i.e. actually does money transfer from your bank account, so you don't have to try and swap cash around when the smallest bill anybody is carrying is a $20.

More applicable in the situations where you have to ask that question of the waiter who refuses to split your bill for whatever reason.
 
2014-05-05 04:24:24 PM  

imgod2u: Plant Rights Activist: I can almost see an app to split bills as being convenient.  Social aspect is pretty gimmicky.  Still, how hard is doing the math yourself?

Check out www.splitwise.com

You have to enter the bill manually but it keeps track of who owes who what for what bill.

It'd be really nice if restaurants stored your bill in itemized form and let you access it post-binger.


There's your award-winning idea. Invent it, etc.
/I'll take 10% as my commission.
 
2014-05-05 04:24:30 PM  

ArcadianRefugee: ikanreed: How are there so many luddites on fark?

There's a difference between not embracing technology and not embracing stupid technology.

This is stupid.


My new smartphone includes "tap to pay" function. After register displays total you tap (or wave) your phone at the appropriate sensor to pay. No magnetic strip card or pin number needed.
 
2014-05-05 04:31:46 PM  

CruJones: Didn't ID cards replace cash a couple decades ago?  That's where all our money was stored in the nineties..


Class of '08 here, can also confirm.

If they didn't take ID card money, I'd use my debit or credit card. The on-campus ATM would actually give out $10, half the minimum of ATMs everywhere else. I'd sometimes withdraw $10 from it and keep it in my wallet for weeks, because I used it so rarely.
 
2014-05-05 04:36:08 PM  

serial_crusher: Plant Rights Activist: I can almost see an app to split bills as being convenient.  Social aspect is pretty gimmicky.  Still, how hard is doing the math yourself?

Surely the app they're talking about is more than a calculator, i.e. actually does money transfer from your bank account, so you don't have to try and swap cash around when the smallest bill anybody is carrying is a $20.

More applicable in the situations where you have to ask that question of the waiter who refuses to split your bill for whatever reason.


And I'm sure every time the app is used, someone at some point is taking a tiny % cut of the action (i.i.,e fee's involved).

Is it really, really, worth to have to pay for such a trivial "convenience"? Or is it the case that, suddenly, people don't know how to split bills anymore? Or what about the time honored "I'll handle this one; you catch the next round"?
 
2014-05-05 04:38:16 PM  

CruJones: Didn't ID cards replace cash a couple decades ago?  That's where all our money was stored in the nineties..


When I was in college, my ID card was also my building key. I'm all for using something that makes my phone even for useful but this just sounds stupid.
 
2014-05-05 04:48:38 PM  

Tobin_Lam: CruJones: Didn't ID cards replace cash a couple decades ago?  That's where all our money was stored in the nineties..

When I was in college, my ID card was also my building key. I'm all for using something that makes my phone even for useful but this just sounds stupid.


Using the ID card as money sounds stupid?

It's a boon for colleges because they get students to pay in advance for all the food money they plan on spending that semester, then if they have left over (girls), the points go away and the school keeps the money that bought them.

I've heard of some cases where the dollar-to-point ratio actually made the meal plan more expensive than cash, but my school the math worked out in favor of the meal plan, as long as you spent it all.
 
2014-05-05 04:48:52 PM  

MelGoesOnTour: serial_crusher: Plant Rights Activist: I can almost see an app to split bills as being convenient.  Social aspect is pretty gimmicky.  Still, how hard is doing the math yourself?

Surely the app they're talking about is more than a calculator, i.e. actually does money transfer from your bank account, so you don't have to try and swap cash around when the smallest bill anybody is carrying is a $20.

More applicable in the situations where you have to ask that question of the waiter who refuses to split your bill for whatever reason.

And I'm sure every time the app is used, someone at some point is taking a tiny % cut of the action (i.i.,e fee's involved).

Is it really, really, worth to have to pay for such a trivial "convenience"? Or is it the case that, suddenly, people don't know how to split bills anymore? Or what about the time honored "I'll handle this one; you catch the next round"?


Because Visa and MasterCard don't take a cut of the action?
 
2014-05-05 04:50:19 PM  

JackieRabbit: When you can use it to order and pay for hookers and weed, I'll consider it.


i was gonna ask which local college weed dealers stopped taking cash.
 
2014-05-05 04:52:26 PM  

serial_crusher: Tobin_Lam: CruJones: Didn't ID cards replace cash a couple decades ago?  That's where all our money was stored in the nineties..

When I was in college, my ID card was also my building key. I'm all for using something that makes my phone even for useful but this just sounds stupid.

Using the ID card as money sounds stupid?

It's a boon for colleges because they get students to pay in advance for all the food money they plan on spending that semester, then if they have left over (girls), the points go away and the school keeps the money that bought them.

I've heard of some cases where the dollar-to-point ratio actually made the meal plan more expensive than cash, but my school the math worked out in favor of the meal plan, as long as you spent it all.


nothing like spending the end of the semester at the campus restaurant/shop, treating it like the bonus round of wheel of fortune, spending all your remaining plus dollars on way overpriced bags of gummi bears etc.
 
2014-05-05 04:53:53 PM  
Mobile apps which store lots of data about college students... Of interest to other college students, and maybe the computer science major who wants a free lunch and to prove that such systems are invariably targets of malicious intents.
 
2014-05-05 04:57:13 PM  
www.orthodox.net
 
2014-05-05 04:58:20 PM  

serial_crusher: Using the ID card as money sounds stupid?


That's where you misunderstood. I loved being able to put money on my ID card. The app is stupid. That's what the thread is about. That's what I as talking about.
 
2014-05-05 05:02:00 PM  

Tobin_Lam: serial_crusher: Using the ID card as money sounds stupid?

That's where you misunderstood. I loved being able to put money on my ID card. The app is stupid. That's what the thread is about. That's what I as talking about.


Ah, I misread.

I'd rather pack same functionality onto my phone and not have to carry various slivers of plastic around with me.

/ Same with car keys.  I finally got bluetooth activated door locks on my house, but still have to carry that stupid fob around to unlock and start my car.
 
2014-05-05 05:03:40 PM  

serial_crusher: Tobin_Lam: CruJones: Didn't ID cards replace cash a couple decades ago?  That's where all our money was stored in the nineties..

When I was in college, my ID card was also my building key. I'm all for using something that makes my phone even for useful but this just sounds stupid.

Using the ID card as money sounds stupid?

It's a boon for colleges because they get students to pay in advance for all the food money they plan on spending that semester, then if they have left over (girls), the points go away and the school keeps the money that bought them.

I've heard of some cases where the dollar-to-point ratio actually made the meal plan more expensive than cash, but my school the math worked out in favor of the meal plan, as long as you spent it all.


Yeah, they had that crap way back in the '90s when I was in college.

You could put money on your ID, then lose it if you don't spend it all.  Cash worked just fine, and any discount you got for using the ID (I think there was a small one) was offset by the dining hall food being crap that you didn't want to eat anyway if you didn't have to.  I think I ate dining hall food maybe 10 times in 4 years, because I was eating with a friend who lived in a dorm with a mandatory meal plan.

I'd occasionally get fast food if I was really hungry (cash only back then) or I just cooked something at home.  Better food, cheaper.
 
2014-05-05 05:05:23 PM  

Clemkadidlefark:


As someone who came age pre-smartphone, I have to say the poetry of life was boring as hell if you didn't have a book handy, like when you had to count ceiling tiles waiting at the DMV.
 
2014-05-05 05:08:35 PM  

serial_crusher: Plant Rights Activist: I can almost see an app to split bills as being convenient.  Social aspect is pretty gimmicky.  Still, how hard is doing the math yourself?

Surely the app they're talking about is more than a calculator, i.e. actually does money transfer from your bank account, so you don't have to try and swap cash around when the smallest bill anybody is carrying is a $20.

More applicable in the situations where you have to ask that question of the waiter who refuses to split your bill for whatever reason.


If there are more than four people, just eyeball the bill.  I don't care who ordered the extra side salad.
 
2014-05-05 05:09:05 PM  

Clemkadidlefark: [www.orthodox.net image 500x670]


The poetry of life is Vogon poetry. Nobody wants that crap.
 
2014-05-05 05:22:50 PM  

MelGoesOnTour: This has to be one of the most stupid ideas I've heard of.


No, it's not different than paying with a card, exce[t that it's even easier.

Here's the part I see as stupid. though:

For instance, payments of split lunches, car payments and bar hops are clearly visible in the social field.

I can accept bar hops. Even before cell phones, people used to bag about which bars they went to, but who the fark CARES that you split lunch with tony, or(more idiotic) that you made your farking car payment? Mobile payments with your smartphone don't bother me, it's this insistence on tying absolutely everything to some kind of "social" bullshiat.

I mean, we're already on the verge of people charting their crap as it is...

www.continence.org.au
 
2014-05-05 05:23:07 PM  

HeartBurnKid: MelGoesOnTour: serial_crusher: Plant Rights Activist: I can almost see an app to split bills as being convenient.  Social aspect is pretty gimmicky.  Still, how hard is doing the math yourself?

Surely the app they're talking about is more than a calculator, i.e. actually does money transfer from your bank account, so you don't have to try and swap cash around when the smallest bill anybody is carrying is a $20.

More applicable in the situations where you have to ask that question of the waiter who refuses to split your bill for whatever reason.

And I'm sure every time the app is used, someone at some point is taking a tiny % cut of the action (i.i.,e fee's involved).

Is it really, really, worth to have to pay for such a trivial "convenience"? Or is it the case that, suddenly, people don't know how to split bills anymore? Or what about the time honored "I'll handle this one; you catch the next round"?

Because Visa and MasterCard don't take a cut of the action?


Maybe not Visa/Mastercard but SOMEone will. The banks, perhaps? In short, it's not "free of cost".
 
2014-05-05 05:31:59 PM  

Plant Rights Activist: I can almost see an app to split bills as being convenient.  Social aspect is pretty gimmicky.   Still, how hard is doing the math yourself?


That's the problem, you have one of four basic situations:
1. At least one of the people present is functionally illiterate in regards to simple math.
2. At least one of the people present is an Ebeneezer Scrooge and insists on not paying a single cent more than their share, including tax.
3. At least one of the people present is a dickwad you will either try and short the bill or the tip.
4. You get a combination of #'s 1&2, and end up with someone who demands to split up the check, and then spends 15 minutes per person tyring to figure out how much that person owes, and not only ties up a metric shiat-ton of time, but usually takes so long that everyone is gone, and after Mr Wizard gets done doing the math, the waiter has lost a potential table and ended up with a 5% tip.

These might be your best friends ever, and you might not discover this until you go out to eat with them, but people turn into a different beast when it comes to the check at the dinner table. Another person that farks it up is the guy who tells everyone that he'll catch up with them later, and then proceeds to drink for another 2 hours with the tip money, but that's a different story.

If I was waiting tables again, I'd probably toss out fliers with the top 10 or 20 apps for Not Appearing to be a Moron at Applebee's(Going somewhere besides Applebee's in the first place is not included in the app).
 
2014-05-05 05:38:17 PM  
Wait.. What is this human contact you speak of? Lol, brb, lmao, FYI, gtg, BYOB, tbt.. Amidoinitrite?
 
2014-05-05 05:50:17 PM  

Mikey1969: Plant Rights Activist: I can almost see an app to split bills as being convenient.  Social aspect is pretty gimmicky.   Still, how hard is doing the math yourself?

That's the problem, you have one of four basic situations:
1. At least one of the people present is functionally illiterate in regards to simple math.
2. At least one of the people present is an Ebeneezer Scrooge and insists on not paying a single cent more than their share, including tax.
3. At least one of the people present is a dickwad you will either try and short the bill or the tip.
4. You get a combination of #'s 1&2, and end up with someone who demands to split up the check, and then spends 15 minutes per person tyring to figure out how much that person owes, and not only ties up a metric shiat-ton of time, but usually takes so long that everyone is gone, and after Mr Wizard gets done doing the math, the waiter has lost a potential table and ended up with a 5% tip.

These might be your best friends ever, and you might not discover this until you go out to eat with them, but people turn into a different beast when it comes to the check at the dinner table. Another person that farks it up is the guy who tells everyone that he'll catch up with them later, and then proceeds to drink for another 2 hours with the tip money, but that's a different story.

If I was waiting tables again, I'd probably toss out fliers with the top 10 or 20 apps for Not Appearing to be a Moron at Applebee's(Going somewhere besides Applebee's in the first place is not included in the app).


So the root of the problem here is that you (the waiter) brought a single bill to the whole table and expected them to split it up, when you could have just split it from the get-go or asked the people what they wanted to do.

The bulk of confusion splitting it yourself comes down to a few different schools of thought:
- write down what everybody got and expect the waiter to come back with separate bills.  (takes longer, waiter already showed he's not competent to do this)
- write down the amount everybody wants to pay, including tip
- write down the amount everybody wants to pay, then add tip on the credit card receipts.

I go with whatever the first person decides, but I swear to god every time there's some guy who thinks his way is better after everybody else has written down their answer.  That guy's a jerk, but the waiter is the one who put us in that situation to begin with.
 
2014-05-05 05:51:08 PM  

MelGoesOnTour: gingerjet: MelGoesOnTour: This has to be one of the most stupid ideas I've heard of.

You sound old.

Take this tip: Invest all your money in this and see what happens.


Hey, Captain Hyperbole, what is "this" exactly? Firstly, there is no "this" to invest in - there are dozens of companies doing mobile payments. Secondly, who would ever invest all their money in any one thing?

MelGoesOnTour: And I'm sure every time the app is used, someone at some point is taking a tiny % cut of the action (i.i.,e fee's involved).

Is it really, really, worth to have to pay for such a trivial "convenience"? Or is it the case that, suddenly, people don't know how to split bills anymore? Or what about the time honored "I'll handle this one; you catch the next round"?


How about you do a little reading up on the subject before spouting opinionated ignorance? In almost every version of mobile payments, the transaction fees are paid by vendors, and sending money between individuals is free.

For the record, I'm not a mobile-payments user and probably never will be. It's not a method of payment that interests me, and I don't have a smart phone anyway. Too much extra $/mo for too little benefit. I have an iPod Touch and an Android tablet. There have been exactly two times in my life when I wished I had an iPhone instead, purely for convenience at that particular moment when I'd taken a wrong turn trying to get somewhere new.
 
2014-05-05 06:03:33 PM  

MelGoesOnTour: HeartBurnKid: MelGoesOnTour: serial_crusher: Plant Rights Activist: I can almost see an app to split bills as being convenient.  Social aspect is pretty gimmicky.  Still, how hard is doing the math yourself?

Surely the app they're talking about is more than a calculator, i.e. actually does money transfer from your bank account, so you don't have to try and swap cash around when the smallest bill anybody is carrying is a $20.

More applicable in the situations where you have to ask that question of the waiter who refuses to split your bill for whatever reason.

And I'm sure every time the app is used, someone at some point is taking a tiny % cut of the action (i.i.,e fee's involved).

Is it really, really, worth to have to pay for such a trivial "convenience"? Or is it the case that, suddenly, people don't know how to split bills anymore? Or what about the time honored "I'll handle this one; you catch the next round"?

Because Visa and MasterCard don't take a cut of the action?

Maybe not Visa/Mastercard but SOMEone will. The banks, perhaps? In short, it's not "free of cost".


Yeah, that was kind of my point.  Why is the fact that there's probably a fee here a reason not to use the app, when there's a fee with any method of payment other than cold hard cash?
 
2014-05-05 06:10:11 PM  

serial_crusher: So the root of the problem here is that you (the waiter) brought a single bill to the whole table and expected them to split it up, when you could have just split it from the get-go or asked the people what they wanted to do.

The bulk of confusion splitting it yourself comes down to a few different schools of thought:
- write down what everybody got and expect the waiter to come back with separate bills.  (takes longer, waiter already showed he's not competent to do this)
- write down the amount everybody wants to pay, including tip
- write down the amount everybody wants to pay, then add tip on the credit card receipts.

I go with whatever the first person decides, but I swear to god every time there's some guy who thinks his way is better after everybody else has written down their answer.  That guy's a jerk, but the waiter is the one who put us in that situation to begin with.


How cute... you think that the waiter is only there to serve your table. You also think that they just get to go back in the kitchen and do shots until you call him forth. Not only that, but you think the waiter is supposed to be psychic and determine that you are a large group that actually WANTS separate checks. On top of it all, you seem to think that splitting up a check is as simple as pressing a  button on the computer and Boom! It's all separated, even with the asshole who ordered first yelling extras while the third party is trying to order, and then the 5th party deciding that they don't want the salmon, but the steak, but they want to add a side salad and a cup of soup. Then, the 10th party, who hasn't even ordered yet decides he needs another drink. What the hell, drinks for the table!! Yay! Now bumblefark #6 forgets that he hasn't ordered yet, and wanders to the bathroom. In the meantime, table #7's food is dying in the window, table #4 is still waiting for their check, table #2 is late for the game and needs you to run their credit card, and table #1 is waiting behind a pile of dirty dishes. All things that were fine when the waiter started taking the order for the big table.

Yeah, I've waited on you before. Nothing more fun than math scholars who can't do simple math, especially because no matter what, some asshole is going to try and nitpick the check to make sure everyone actually ordered the extra 60 side of sour cream, and you end up standing around because they are only going to be another minute, and they really need to get to the theater.
 
2014-05-05 06:18:02 PM  

Mikey1969: serial_crusher: So the root of the problem here is that you (the waiter) brought a single bill to the whole table and expected them to split it up, when you could have just split it from the get-go or asked the people what they wanted to do.

The bulk of confusion splitting it yourself comes down to a few different schools of thought:
- write down what everybody got and expect the waiter to come back with separate bills.  (takes longer, waiter already showed he's not competent to do this)
- write down the amount everybody wants to pay, including tip
- write down the amount everybody wants to pay, then add tip on the credit card receipts.

I go with whatever the first person decides, but I swear to god every time there's some guy who thinks his way is better after everybody else has written down their answer.  That guy's a jerk, but the waiter is the one who put us in that situation to begin with.

How cute... you think that the waiter is only there to serve your table. You also think that they just get to go back in the kitchen and do shots until you call him forth. Not only that, but you think the waiter is supposed to be psychic and determine that you are a large group that actually WANTS separate checks. On top of it all, you seem to think that splitting up a check is as simple as pressing a  button on the computer and Boom! It's all separated, even with the asshole who ordered first yelling extras while the third party is trying to order, and then the 5th party deciding that they don't want the salmon, but the steak, but they want to add a side salad and a cup of soup. Then, the 10th party, who hasn't even ordered yet decides he needs another drink. What the hell, drinks for the table!! Yay! Now bumblefark #6 forgets that he hasn't ordered yet, and wanders to the bathroom. In the meantime, table #7's food is dying in the window, table #4 is still waiting for their check, table #2 is late for the game and needs you to run their credit card, and table #1 is waiting behind a pile of dirty dishes. All things that were fine when the waiter started taking the order for the big table.

Yeah, I've waited on you before. Nothing more fun than math scholars who can't do simple math, especially because no matter what, some asshole is going to try and nitpick the check to make sure everyone actually ordered the extra 60 side of sour cream, and you end up standing around because they are only going to be another minute, and they really need to get to the theater.


Sounds like a tough job. Maybe the restaurant should hire somebody to keep track of it all.
 
2014-05-05 06:38:56 PM  

100 Watt Walrus: In almost every version of mobile payments, the transaction fees are paid by vendors, and sending money between individuals is free.


The operative word here is "almost". In addition, those transaction fee's paid for by the vendors DO get passed on incrementally to the user-end (i.e., consumer). In addition, what happens when you go to pay the bill and---whoops!---"my battery is dead!" [or simply insert any potential excuse for a moment when it's not functioning properly]. The folks who really, really want to live their lives through a phone do not want to carry cash or "pices of plastic". Well, what's teh back-up plan in case of system failure? Or what if there is simply no wireless signal at the moment? It's really not as simple as "this is what I want to do and damn the logistics".
 
2014-05-05 06:50:27 PM  

serial_crusher: Mikey1969: serial_crusher: So the root of the problem here is that you (the waiter) brought a single bill to the whole table and expected them to split it up, when you could have just split it from the get-go or asked the people what they wanted to do.

The bulk of confusion splitting it yourself comes down to a few different schools of thought:
- write down what everybody got and expect the waiter to come back with separate bills.  (takes longer, waiter already showed he's not competent to do this)
- write down the amount everybody wants to pay, including tip
- write down the amount everybody wants to pay, then add tip on the credit card receipts.

I go with whatever the first person decides, but I swear to god every time there's some guy who thinks his way is better after everybody else has written down their answer.  That guy's a jerk, but the waiter is the one who put us in that situation to begin with.

How cute... you think that the waiter is only there to serve your table. You also think that they just get to go back in the kitchen and do shots until you call him forth. Not only that, but you think the waiter is supposed to be psychic and determine that you are a large group that actually WANTS separate checks. On top of it all, you seem to think that splitting up a check is as simple as pressing a  button on the computer and Boom! It's all separated, even with the asshole who ordered first yelling extras while the third party is trying to order, and then the 5th party deciding that they don't want the salmon, but the steak, but they want to add a side salad and a cup of soup. Then, the 10th party, who hasn't even ordered yet decides he needs another drink. What the hell, drinks for the table!! Yay! Now bumblefark #6 forgets that he hasn't ordered yet, and wanders to the bathroom. In the meantime, table #7's food is dying in the window, table #4 is still waiting for their check, table #2 is late for the game and needs you to run their credit card, and table #1 is waiting behind a pile of dirty dishes. All things that were fine when the waiter started taking the order for the big table.

Yeah, I've waited on you before. Nothing more fun than math scholars who can't do simple math, especially because no matter what, some asshole is going to try and nitpick the check to make sure everyone actually ordered the extra 60 side of sour cream, and you end up standing around because they are only going to be another minute, and they really need to get to the theater.

Sounds like a tough job. Maybe the restaurant should hire somebody to keep track of it all.


Nah, they just need to exercise their 'Right to Refuse Service to Anyone' clause. And lowering the party size for automatic gratuity to 4,while raising the amount to 25% would help, too.

Sooner or later, you'll quit going to that restaurant, and you'll be able to lug your wheelbarrow of entitlement all over town. I hear it's great aerobic exercise.
 
2014-05-05 07:28:56 PM  

MelGoesOnTour: 100 Watt Walrus: In almost every version of mobile payments, the transaction fees are paid by vendors, and sending money between individuals is free.

The operative word here is "almost". In addition, those transaction fee's paid for by the vendors DO get passed on incrementally to the user-end (i.e., consumer). In addition, what happens when you go to pay the bill and---whoops!---"my battery is dead!" [or simply insert any potential excuse for a moment when it's not functioning properly]. The folks who really, really want to live their lives through a phone do not want to carry cash or "pices of plastic". Well, what's teh back-up plan in case of system failure? Or what if there is simply no wireless signal at the moment? It's really not as simple as "this is what I want to do and damn the logistics".


Why do you care? It's another form of payment that some people find more convenient than other forms. So what? Is this somehow a threat to your preferred method of payment?
 
2014-05-05 08:05:13 PM  

loonatic112358: once the oculus rift is perfected, we'll strap you in and you'll forget that it's not a simulation

it's better than life


Unfortunately, perfection is decades away.
 
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