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(Newser)   Half of Illinois wants to leave the state. Thanks Obama, Cubs, Bears, Bulls   (newser.com) divider line 75
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2014-05-05 07:11:20 AM  
tomato/cheese casserole, nazis...
 
2014-05-05 07:11:33 AM  
Chicago Thread that isn't about pizza or guns! Finally a chance.

Explain this to me: Harry Dresdon NEVER HAS A HAT, and comments on the fact he should get one but hasn't yet in every damn book.

SO WHY IS ALL THE ART OF HIM IN A HAT!?

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It just doesn't make sense. It's like this:

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2014-05-05 07:13:54 AM  
Not necessarily a repeat (each state apparently will publish their own take on the Gallup poll results), but at least a follow-up to this earlier thread.
 
2014-05-05 07:14:09 AM  
If I didn't have a job and family here I would. Not because of anything subby mentioned, and you left out the Sox btw,  just because I'm sick of the winters.
 
2014-05-05 07:25:27 AM  
I actually left almost immediately once I was old enough, despite not having any savings, job prospects, or higher education at that point. There are lots of things I miss, but it was the correct decision, to the point that my father now routinely mentions that I was right and he was wrong to discourage me, and that he should have left, himself.
 
2014-05-05 07:30:58 AM  
My GF would is in the north side of Chicago and would leave immediately of her kid's father wasn't there.  It's great for about four months a year, and just too damn cold the rest.
 
2014-05-05 07:36:06 AM  
Last time I was in Chicago, I couldn't hear the bluebirds or the nuthatches.  They used to be all over the place, but not now.
 
2014-05-05 07:39:34 AM  
Call me when Sufjan Stevens does an album about your state.  Alright Michigan and Seven Swans.  You can call.

Come on! Feel the Illinoise

Makes the tax increases and substandard infrastructure and overt corruption almost acceptable.
 
2014-05-05 07:39:43 AM  
Personally, I can't stand the politics here.
 
2014-05-05 07:45:23 AM  
Illinois is a state of extremes. Up north, you have chicago and all the suckishness that entails living there. Down south, you have nothing but rural trash and meth.  Everything around is effectively the same.

You either love being a midwest rural yokel, you move out, or you're trapped by job/family/cash.
 
2014-05-05 07:46:09 AM  
I love Ohio but I know not many do. I think it would have scored higher except that "now you're stuck in Ohio" picture has truth to it. You can never leave. Mwahahahaha!
 
2014-05-05 07:51:44 AM  
Hmmm...  It's not me, is it?  I mean, you'd tell me if it was me, right?  I just moved here in October, and I'm hoping that isn't the reason people want to leave.
 
2014-05-05 07:53:53 AM  
I live in the city of Chicago and love everything but the politics. Even the winters aren't that bad, with the exception of this year.

I'd never live in the rest of the state though. If I'm going to end up in some bumpkinhick town, it'd better at least be sunny and near a beach.
 
2014-05-05 07:56:46 AM  

CruJones: My GF would is in the north side of Chicago and would leave immediately of her kid's father wasn't there.  It's great for about four months a year, and just too damn cold the rest.


"Would" is a very funny name for a girl.
 
2014-05-05 08:02:52 AM  
The link in TFA mentions a "well-being index" and I do find it odd that said list is topped by five contiguous north central states (in order): North Dakota, South Dakota. Nebraska, Minnesota and Montana. http://www.newser.com/story/182635/america-has-a-new-happiest-state.h t ml

I'm not saying it's impossible, but there is certainly a vibe there that would fit nicely with a low-level Gallup staffer from Duluth looking at the calendar and realizing he was so besotten with lutefisk that he forgot to actually run the poll.
 
2014-05-05 08:05:29 AM  

picturescrazy: I love Ohio but I know not many do. I think it would have scored higher except that "now you're stuck in Ohio" picture has truth to it. You can never leave. Mwahahahaha!


Ohio is the state of averages.  I swear we seem to come out at 25 on most polls.

I love this state too, but the strange thing about it, Ohio is like 3 states.  The S/SE is Appalachia, the NE is more like the eastern US, and the W/NW is definitely Midwest. We have three large urban areas that run SW to the NE along I-71, Toledo in the NW, and no real major city in SE, but Athens is down there kind of adding a little bit of blue to the surrounding red. The rest is rural.  We are a purple state more then red or blue.

Looking at the Gallup poll, I am surprised that West Virginia is below average.

/Appalachian Ohioan
 
2014-05-05 08:11:49 AM  

IsThatYourFinalAnswer: Illinois is a state of extremes. Up north, you have chicago and all the suckishness that entails living there. Down south, you have nothing but rural trash and meth.  Everything around is effectively the same.

You either love being a midwest rural yokel, you move out, or you're trapped by job/family/cash.


Or you could live in the suburbs surrounding Chicago and have a normal middle class existence while still retaining proximity to the city for when you're in the mood to visit. That works too. The suburbs are a great place to be. Once you get 10+ miles away from the city you get a lot more open space and quieter areas with all of the normal things you'd expect. Decent schools, multiple shopping malls, tons of restaurants of every type, enough room for the 1/4+ acre lot with a 3 bedroom house and yard, etc.

/Want to buy a house soon.
//Looking at Bolingbrook
 
2014-05-05 08:17:46 AM  

Freudian_slipknot: I live in the city of Chicago and love everything but the politics. Even the winters aren't that bad, with the exception of this year.


Same here.   I've lived in Chicago proper for over 20 years now and have no immediate plans to leave (I like my job and friends, although given how fast my neighborhood is becoming 'cool' we'll see how long I last here) and grew up close to the city.  I've briefly lived a couple of other places in the midwest that were much worse, so I'll take it.
 
2014-05-05 08:20:04 AM  

Ikam: Freudian_slipknot: I live in the city of Chicago and love everything but the politics. Even the winters aren't that bad, with the exception of this year.

Same here.   I've lived in Chicago proper for over 20 years now and have no immediate plans to leave (I like my job and friends, although given how fast my neighborhood is becoming 'cool' we'll see how long I last here) and grew up close to the city.  I've briefly lived a couple of other places in the midwest that were much worse, so I'll take it.


I live in Champaign now.  I kind of like a city where rush hour starts at 4:30 and ends as soon as the stoplight turns green.
 
2014-05-05 08:20:45 AM  
Sure, it's a shiathole, but godammit, it's home.
 
2014-05-05 08:27:07 AM  

doglover: Chicago Thread that isn't about pizza or guns! Finally a chance.

Explain this to me: Harry Dresdon NEVER HAS A HAT, and comments on the fact he should get one but hasn't yet in every damn book.

SO WHY IS ALL THE ART OF HIM IN A HAT!?

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It just doesn't make sense. It's like this:

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Hats are noir-ish, I guess....
 
2014-05-05 08:27:43 AM  

Vodka Zombie: Ikam: Freudian_slipknot: I live in the city of Chicago and love everything but the politics. Even the winters aren't that bad, with the exception of this year.

Same here.   I've lived in Chicago proper for over 20 years now and have no immediate plans to leave (I like my job and friends, although given how fast my neighborhood is becoming 'cool' we'll see how long I last here) and grew up close to the city.  I've briefly lived a couple of other places in the midwest that were much worse, so I'll take it.

I live in Champaign now.  I kind of like a city where rush hour starts at 4:30 and ends as soon as the stoplight turns green.


Yeah, that is definitely a downside here. Not a huge fan of the daily reality that is the CTA, but that is the trade off if you want to live in a large city (which I do).
 
2014-05-05 08:29:34 AM  

Forbidden Doughnut: doglover: Chicago Thread that isn't about pizza or guns! Finally a chance.

Explain this to me: Harry Dresdon NEVER HAS A HAT, and comments on the fact he should get one but hasn't yet in every damn book.

SO WHY IS ALL THE ART OF HIM IN A HAT!?

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It just doesn't make sense. It's like this:

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Hats are noir-ish, I guess....


They are, and it fits his image, but he always is lacking one. The author makes Harry note this fact in every book. "I would look good in a hat, but I still haven't got one." etc. And yet all the covers....
 
2014-05-05 08:29:38 AM  
If you live in the 'burbs like most people do, how would you even know what state you lived in if you stayed in the Midwest? Flat, boring, and exactly the same tract houses and chain stores as far as the eye can see.
 
2014-05-05 08:30:07 AM  

bearded clamorer: Sure, it's a shiathole, but godammit, it's home.


That's the spirit!
 
2014-05-05 08:32:30 AM  
 
2014-05-05 08:32:37 AM  
Getting tired of Chicago siphoning all of our tax dollars for "those poors." With 5 of the last 6 (all democratic) Governors going to prison for corruption, and 48% of Chicago's population being illegal aliens, you could put an electric fence around it and call it the Illinois state prison. If nothing else, that should finally put an end to the bloodbath of murders you have up there, and be more like St. Louis. Chicago is a great place to make money, for criminals, ask Al Capone !!! And the remaining good Americans can finally right the ship that is the good God-Fearing People of Illinois, starting with lowering taxes.
 
2014-05-05 08:34:18 AM  
This is about the 3rd greenlight for this article.
 
2014-05-05 08:37:37 AM  

LazyMedia: If you live in the 'burbs like most people do, how would you even know what state you lived in if you stayed in the Midwest? Flat, boring, and exactly the same tract houses and chain stores as far as the eye can see.


For reasons I've never understood, there's also a generic hatred of trees. A lot of suburbs simply don't bother with them. They don't plant them or don't have them.
 
2014-05-05 08:39:59 AM  
My job gives me the opportunity to travel all over Illinois, so I feel I've seen most of it. Except for a lack of real mountains, this state has a little bit of almost everything you could want, in terms of terrain, biomes, and pretty views. And while they're not impressive in height, the terrain up north around Galena, and down south in the "garden Of The Gods" offers fun climbing and lovely vistas all their own.  Lakes big as oceans, mighty rivers , streams, swamps that look like cajun country...  4 real seasons that add great variety.  You can find a place to live with almost any level of population density you want, from rural isolation and quasi-wilderness, to the heart of a world-class metropolis. And the difference between the two can be reached in just an hour's drive.

Illinois has tremendous cultural opportunities, and not just in Chicago.  Great universities, museums, galleries, studios. A heritage of heavy industry and agriculture, with cutting-edge science and technology, all located at a nexus for commerce and transportation.

I have found the people of this state are nice, no matter where you go, with a midwestern gentility and practicality that emphasizes hospitality and general goodwill, live and let-live... Sure, they are more "southern" in the lower half of the state, but it only adds local color.


There are other states that have lots to offer, but I find Illinois to be close to perfect in a lot of ways.
 
2014-05-05 08:40:56 AM  

Burr: I love this state too, but the strange thing about it, Ohio is like 3 states. The S/SE is Appalachia, the NE is more like the eastern US, and the W/NW is definitely Midwest. We have three large urban areas that run SW to the NE along I-71, Toledo in the NW, and no real major city in SE, but Athens is down there kind of adding a little bit of blue to the surrounding red. The rest is rural. We are a purple state more then red or blue.



Most states are able to be split into 2 or more regions quite easily.

For example in New York we've got:

1) Megalopolis (ie: NYC tri-state area)
2) Metropolitan I-90 Corridor
3) Freaky Deaky Stephen Kingland.

I think it's fairly common that each state can be divided into its mega-urban, urban, and rural areas.
 
2014-05-05 08:41:50 AM  

picturescrazy: I love Ohio but I know not many do. I think it would have scored higher except that "now you're stuck in Ohio" picture has truth to it. You can never leave. Mwahahahaha!


My impression was that Ohio's a nice place to live, but you wouldn't want to visit there.
 
2014-05-05 08:48:29 AM  
I live in New York and a rough poll of my facebook friends seems to indicate about half of them want to leave New York. The reasons seem to be centered entirely around:

1) I hate Cuomo and the SAFE act. I'd love to pack up my assault rifles and live somewhere else, but my job/friends/family are here so I won't. (ie: bluster).
2) I hate the taxes in New York, but the schools here are so much better than most places so I'll stay (ie: hypocritical complaining about paying for what benefits you)
3) I hate the snow and can't figure out how to have fun in it like sane people do.


The funny part is that whenever some of my friends actually do end up leaving, there's about a 75% chance they eventually move back once they realise they were suffering from "The grass is greener" syndrome.

I'm not sure what it is, but most areas in and near the Rust Belt have a very poor image of their cities. We have a terrible attitude about it (as does the rest of the country), and when people actually do go through with trying to find a new place to live, they're always biatching about that too. I think we just need more self-esteem up here.
 
2014-05-05 08:50:17 AM  
I live in IL, but in the St. Louis metro area. So I get the advantages of a shiatty, crime-ridden city that has had nothing new to do for 20 years plus great IL taxes.

/tied down by family
 
2014-05-05 08:52:39 AM  
People who live in the perpetual cold want to go someplace warm. People who live in hot climates want to go someplace with seasons.
 
2014-05-05 08:53:35 AM  

Any Pie Left: My job gives me the opportunity to travel all over Illinois, so I feel I've seen most of it. Except for a lack of real mountains, this state has a little bit of almost everything you could want, in terms of terrain, biomes, and pretty views. And while they're not impressive in height, the terrain up north around Galena, and down south in the "garden Of The Gods" offers fun climbing and lovely vistas all their own.  Lakes big as oceans, mighty rivers , streams, swamps that look like cajun country...  4 real seasons that add great variety.  You can find a place to live with almost any level of population density you want, from rural isolation and quasi-wilderness, to the heart of a world-class metropolis. And the difference between the two can be reached in just an hour's drive.

Illinois has tremendous cultural opportunities, and not just in Chicago.  Great universities, museums, galleries, studios. A heritage of heavy industry and agriculture, with cutting-edge science and technology, all located at a nexus for commerce and transportation.

I have found the people of this state are nice, no matter where you go, with a midwestern gentility and practicality that emphasizes hospitality and general goodwill, live and let-live... Sure, they are more "southern" in the lower half of the state, but it only adds local color.


There are other states that have lots to offer, but I find Illinois to be close to perfect in a lot of ways.


I mostly agree with you on those points, but it's the taxes, political climate, corruption, nepotism, etc that makes this state unbearable for me.
 
2014-05-05 08:54:28 AM  

IsThatYourFinalAnswer: Illinois is a state of extremes. Up north, you have chicago and all the suckishness that entails living there.


I loved everything about living in Chicago except the weather. It's one of the cheapest cities to live in. It's also one of the nicest. Frankly, once I ditched my car, it was a lot cheaper than living in Southwest Ohio, where I live now. There are a lot of things to do. Excellent food (lots of inexpensive green grocers and butchers, as well as great restaurants that have nothing to do with pizza-esque casseroles). Good theater. Nice museums. Great music scene. Good comedy scene. Good public transit.

What is this "suck" you speak of?
 
2014-05-05 08:54:56 AM  

LazyMedia: If you live in the 'burbs like most people do, how would you even know what state you lived in if you stayed in the Midwest?


Helpfully, they print it on your tax bill.
 
2014-05-05 09:00:06 AM  

jaybeezey: People who live in the perpetual cold want to go someplace warm. People who live in hot climates want to go someplace with seasons.


Basically, everyone wants to be somewhere they're not.
 
2014-05-05 09:00:24 AM  
and in 25 years everyone will be moving back because it is next to one of the largest sources of fresh water in America as most of the warm but arid areas of the country that people are moving to now will be under constant and severe water restrictions as the population will be too large for the available fresh water.
 
2014-05-05 09:22:03 AM  

cards fan by association: I live in IL, but in the St. Louis metro area. So I get the advantages of a shiatty, crime-ridden city that has had nothing new to do for 20 years plus great IL taxes.

/tied down by family


This.
/Howdy neighbor.
 
2014-05-05 09:22:33 AM  

CtrlAltDestroy: The suburbs are a great place to be. Once you get 10+ miles away from the city you get a lot more open space and quieter areas with all of the normal things you'd expect. Decent schools, multiple shopping malls, tons of restaurants of every type, enough room for the 1/4+ acre lot with a 3 bedroom house and yard, etc.

/Want to buy a house soon.
//Looking at Bolingbrook


I work in southern Bolingbrook (almost in Romeoville off of I55) and you could do a lot worse for the area. It seems Bolingbrook is pretty nice overall. Easy access to I55 also. If you find the right house that could definitely be a good choice. Only problem I have is you have to drive a little bit to get to good restaurants that aren't fast food but Ehh oh well. Good luck!
 
2014-05-05 09:22:53 AM  
Now why would anyone want to leave a state that is a s flat and featureless as a floor, deadly cold in winter and miserably hot in the summer? This is a real brain-twister.
 
2014-05-05 09:26:44 AM  
I grew up in the southern part of the state, and live in the central part now. Champaign and Bloomington are great places to live, as is Edwardsville, down closer to STL. Chicago burbs have many nice places, and the Carbondale-Marion Mt. Vernon area in the southern part of the state have their high points.The current town I live in has it's issues, but is also a great place to raise a family and has excellent schools. I read these articles and agree that there are many ills that currently plague IL, but have a hard time imagining how moving somewhere else will magically make them better. I'm not complaining, Life is good if you appreciate the good parts.
 
2014-05-05 09:31:37 AM  
Hate this farking city. Love this farking city. I'd go into more details but I'm on the train right now ... wheee! There goes Sox Park!
 
2014-05-05 09:36:02 AM  
My wife and I moved our family from Nashville to Chicago last June. We came here mainly because everyone I knew left Nashville as soon as they could growing up. Looks like this is strike two.
 
2014-05-05 09:36:46 AM  

DeaH: IsThatYourFinalAnswer: Illinois is a state of extremes. Up north, you have chicago and all the suckishness that entails living there.

I loved everything about living in Chicago except the weather. It's one of the cheapest cities to live in. It's also one of the nicest. Frankly, once I ditched my car, it was a lot cheaper than living in Southwest Ohio, where I live now. There are a lot of things to do. Excellent food (lots of inexpensive green grocers and butchers, as well as great restaurants that have nothing to do with pizza-esque casseroles). Good theater. Nice museums. Great music scene. Good comedy scene. Good public transit.

What is this "suck" you speak of?


This morning's headline: "4 shot in River North among 2 killed, 17 wounded across city"

/good thing it was Sunday
 
2014-05-05 09:41:01 AM  

fat_free: Hate this farking city. Love this farking city. I'd go into more details but I'm on the train right now ... wheee! There goes Sox Park!


I hear ya, but about downstate.  I say it's kind of a Springsteen-ish love/hate deal living here.  On one hand, living in the country near a small town is like living in a nature preserve.  On the other hand, goddamn cell phones won't work.  On one hand, we have non-franchise restaurants that serve decent food, decent price.  On the other hand, why can't we have a freakin' Burger King?   I'm too old to pull up stakes now.
 
2014-05-05 09:42:28 AM  

SharkaPult: I work in southern Bolingbrook (almost in Romeoville off of I55) and you could do a lot worse for the area. It seems Bolingbrook is pretty nice overall. Easy access to I55 also. If you find the right house that could definitely be a good choice. Only problem I have is you have to drive a little bit to get to good restaurants that aren't fast food but Ehh oh well. Good luck!


Thanks.

I take I-55 to get to work so it's proximity to that is a nice point. The neighborhoods that I've looked at seemed pretty nice and quiet. Right now I'm a little south of that area, near Romeoville. My big thing will be finding a house with a 3 car garage. Those seem pretty rare, even amongst half million dollar or more houses. Although I'm looking at sub 200K. I'm a thinkerer and a car/motorcycle fan, damnit. I need a big garage.

Lemont seems nice enough. Dunno about Woodridge or Darien.
 
2014-05-05 09:49:29 AM  
I'm in central Illinois. I hate the politics. They make laws that should only apply to Chicago apply to the whole state. The corruption exists at every level. We have high taxes and faltering infrastructure. All the money goes to contractors who pay kickbacks to politicians. They have been de-funding state parks, libraries, and state mental hospitals for over a decade now. If the mentally ill don't have family to support them, they end up wandering the streets.

The weather is terrible. We like to say that we have Texas summers and Wisconsin winters. It's sweltering and humid in the summer and frigid and windy in the winter. The nice weather is 2 months in the spring and 2 months in the fall.

I continue to live here because of family. I work in the family business. When my grandfather passes I'm going to try to convince my dad to relocate the business out of state.
 
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