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(Carl Sagan Portal)   "Cosmos: A Spacetime Odyssey" episode 9 discussion thread and drinking game. 9PM Eastern on Fox   (carlsagan.com) divider line 43
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2014-05-05 12:00:54 AM  
3 votes:

IronTom: I think the original Cosmos had a Hall of Extinction.  But back then they were predicting global cooling and that we would run out of fossil fuels, not that we'd have so much that we could possibly affect the weather.


Actually, global cooling was never a popular idea.  Even when it was at its peak of currency, global cooling never had the same kind of scientific credibility that global warming had.

And, in the original Cosmos, Carl Sagan actually talked about the dangers to the Earth of a runaway greenhouse effect of the kind that's responsible for the temperatures on Venus: "we've uncovered other worlds with choking atmospheres and deadly surfaces.  Shall we, then, recreate these hells on Earth?  We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect.  The Earth need not resemble Venus very closely for it to become barren and lifeless.  It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven -- our only home in the Cosmos -- into a kind of hell.  The study of the global climate and the sun's influence, the comparison of the Earth to other worlds -- these are subjects in their earliest stage of development.  They are funded poorly and grudgingly.  And, meanwhile, we continue to load the Earth's atmosphere with materials, about whose long term influence we are almost entirely ignorant."
2014-05-04 08:46:13 PM  
3 votes:

phillydrifter: Neil deGrasse Tyson and the Ship of the Imagination

"the ship of 'imagination'" has got to be the stupidest possible name ever in the history of stupidest possible names for a science and fact-based tv show.

/fact


Why? Virtually every scientific hypothetical I was ever presented with starts with the word imagine. Without imagination half of these things would not have been discovered. It's a perfectly apt term, considering that what is being explored from the ship cannot be explored physically.
2014-05-05 09:04:36 AM  
2 votes:

eraser8: I think the original Cosmos had a Hall of Extinction.  But back then they were predicting global cooling


The only global cooling Sagan talked about was the possibility of nuclear winter.  Given that large volcanic explosions have been followed by years without summers (including one in historical times), that wasn't such a crazy idea.
2014-05-05 08:59:10 AM  
2 votes:

IronTom: and we are tiny tiny little tiny things dusted over the surface, but yet we control the farking weather of the whole planet, as do our cow's farts.


"Control" implies the ability to make it do what we want.  You can have the ability to screw something up without the ability to control it.
2014-05-04 09:39:37 PM  
2 votes:

SquiggsIN: Pat Robertson will release a stern statement regarding how god DOES cause earthquakes/tsunamis/etc when he's angry with us puny humans.


img2.timeinc.net

Puny God.
2014-05-04 09:33:32 PM  
2 votes:
Earthquakes aren't caused by someone's misbehavior and punishment.

Oh, my.
2014-05-04 09:11:30 PM  
2 votes:
Ah, climate swings. Cue more right-wing poutrage.
2014-05-05 01:20:26 PM  
1 votes:

Adolf Oliver Nipples: There's no homework to be done. It's hard to research something that doesn't exist and hasn't happened.


I wasn't taking sides in this argument before this point, and I don't really want to take sides now, but this is a stupid misstep.  You certainly can research solar power, which does exist already, and even if it didn't there would still be things like feasibility studies.  We don't, for example, have working fusion power plants yet, but we're making strides towards getting them.  It's certainly possible to research fusion power plants to learn how close we are, what the advantages and disadvantages might be, how cost-effective and efficient they might be, etc.

I'm not trying to insult you or make the claim that you ARE stupid ---- merely that you SAID something stupid.
2014-05-05 09:25:45 AM  
1 votes:

Flying Lasagna Monster: [cdn.themetapicture.com image 540x415]


that's like saying, "if four plus four equals seventeen, then why are potatoes brown?"
2014-05-05 09:21:28 AM  
1 votes:

IronTom: You would think the other sides of the Earth would bump into each other, squeezing out the Pacific.


Yeah, if something like that were happening it would cause earthquakes in Japan and volcanic eruptions in the Pacific Northwest.  You'd think we would notice it.
2014-05-04 10:44:16 PM  
1 votes:

Flying Lasagna Monster: [ifwecamefrommonkeyswhyaretherestillmonkeys.jpg]


If we came from parents, why are there still parents?
2014-05-04 10:02:41 PM  
1 votes:
Did anybody but me catch the huge error? He identified Wegner and a GEOLOGIST when in fact he was a GEOGRAPHER! The main reason Wegner was not believed was because the geologists looked down on him as a geographer. They thought that ONLY geologists could discern facts about the earth. He had a golden opportunity to point out WHY scientists are sometimes as narrow minded as everybody else but he blew it!
2014-05-04 10:01:55 PM  
1 votes:
@ Adolph & SquiggsIN

economies of scale, economies or $cale.


Incased you missed it ==> $$  <==
2014-05-04 09:54:55 PM  
1 votes:
Neil, it's because nothing is free. To capture it we need to build things. Also, solar isn't yet efficient enough for our needs.

I don't know why he tossed in that lament.
2014-05-04 09:52:03 PM  
1 votes:
Oh snap!
2014-05-04 09:49:20 PM  
1 votes:

Adolf Oliver Nipples: Dimensio: Could not Adam Sandler make even more money by asking people to pay him to not make movies?

If only there were a way for you to avoid seeing them.


I'm with him - Adam Sandler movies are like ebola; I don't have to worry about it, but I'm sad at what it does to fellow humans
2014-05-04 09:45:05 PM  
1 votes:

Flying Lasagna Monster: [cdn.themetapicture.com image 540x415]


Sigh. Such ignorance.
2014-05-04 09:45:03 PM  
1 votes:
Smart advertising an Adam Sandler movie during Cosmos. I suspect a ton of Creationists are watching. Good to hit their target market.
2014-05-04 09:43:41 PM  
1 votes:
I hope one day to see a Baobab tree in person.
2014-05-04 09:39:39 PM  
1 votes:

ArgusRun: SquiggsIN: ArgusRun: But I acknowledge there is an experience or state called faith that other people have that I have never experienced.

and that is biology, not the supernatural.  it is an emotional response that your body translates into a feeling and religion has co-opted it as the "holy spirit".  it's just biology.

I think you are right, but that doesn't make it any more real or important because of it.   Look love is just a biological response.  Oxytocin, pair bonding, etc.  And yet human society is so much more than a simple breeding colony.

Knowing love is simply a biological function like faith doesn't make it any more real or powerful.


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2014-05-04 09:39:24 PM  
1 votes:

sleeper2995: Do creationist deny the continents move?


Pretty much, yeah.
2014-05-04 09:39:20 PM  
1 votes:
I thought we were talking about the end of the Triassic. I guess I missed an extinction.
2014-05-04 09:36:44 PM  
1 votes:
Earthquakes from nature. Oh boy. the creationists are going to be pissed. Of course if you do not understand logic and reason it is hard to have a solid debate.
2014-05-04 09:31:43 PM  
1 votes:

geom_00: ArgusRun: I said discourage,not disallow.

My apologize.  I misread that.

/Watching Cosmos AND Hockey is not easy.


If anything, faith today is a more difficult state to reach today than in the past.  Especially if one accepts science.  It's a deeply personal thing and should remain one.

Now we're back to the sea, so I shall focus on that.

/I once snuck onto a NOAA facility to see Alvin
2014-05-04 09:30:44 PM  
1 votes:

Dimensio: sleeper2995: Do creationist deny the continents move?

Creationists are a diverse group, with varying beliefs (all scientifically wrong).

Some creationists deny that the Earth moves.


And then of course, the Flat Earth Society

http://theflatearthsociety.org/cms/

Sadly, they are real.
2014-05-04 09:29:11 PM  
1 votes:

sleeper2995: Do creationist deny the continents move?


Creationists are a diverse group, with varying beliefs (all scientifically wrong).

Some creationists deny that the Earth moves.
2014-05-04 09:28:10 PM  
1 votes:
Fox is messing with the audio. The commercials are definitely way louder. I thought Congress banned that recently.
2014-05-04 09:27:54 PM  
1 votes:
wow that google commercial was just perfectly awesome
2014-05-04 09:27:07 PM  
1 votes:

radiovox: BeerBear: radiovox: I should be in bed. I'm still drunk and hungover from Derby Day.

lightweight :p

*still drinking*

Oh yeah? Well screw YOU! I've already had 3 liver transplants!


THIS MONTH!
2014-05-04 09:25:03 PM  
1 votes:

Flying Lasagna Monster: you know who else was a wounded world war 1 vet?


www.nndb.com
2014-05-04 09:23:23 PM  
1 votes:

geom_00: ArgusRun: While it might discourage belief in the supernatural

I believe in Science...and God.


I said discourage,not disallow.

I don't have faith.  Not sure I ever did.  I was raised in the Jewish faith and still enjoy the traditions, but I don't believe in the literal truth of the Pentateuch.

But I acknowledge there is an experience or state called faith that other people have that I have never experienced.
2014-05-04 09:19:14 PM  
1 votes:
GEOGRAPHY!!!!!!
2014-05-04 09:19:09 PM  
1 votes:
This show makes me oddly emotional.  While it might discourage belief in the supernatural,science is quite adept at producing awe and reverence.
2014-05-04 09:14:31 PM  
1 votes:
I can taste the creationist outrage from here from that last segment.  And it's delicious.
2014-05-04 09:10:34 PM  
1 votes:
Aziz light!
2014-05-04 09:08:47 PM  
1 votes:
Hmmm, must go to Nova Scotia....
2014-05-04 09:04:42 PM  
1 votes:

SquiggsIN: okay.. my wife is going to have nightmares about giant bugs tonight!


That damn millipede would seem to warrant a few.
2014-05-04 09:01:47 PM  
1 votes:

SquiggsIN: Estimated time until the first fact that makes creationist views implode?

2 minutes?  6 minutes?


3 seconds.  Plate tectonics FTW.
2014-05-04 08:59:18 PM  
1 votes:

Adolf Oliver Nipples: Without imagination half of these things would not have been discovered


Einstein's theory of General Relativity was hatched from a thought experiment, for example.
http://www.astronomynotes.com/relativity/s3.htm
2014-05-04 08:52:04 PM  
1 votes:

MountainClimber: Creationist outrage to premiere at 10PM


Premiere? It's been around for centuries.
2014-05-04 08:51:26 PM  
1 votes:
Creationist outrage to premiere at 10PM
2014-05-04 08:37:36 PM  
1 votes:
Neil deGrasse Tyson and the Ship of the Imagination

"the ship of 'imagination'" has got to be the stupidest possible name ever in the history of stupidest possible names for a science and fact-based tv show.

/fact
2014-05-04 07:41:47 PM  
1 votes:

jchic: What if you're already drunk?


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