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2014-05-04 10:44:16 PM  

Flying Lasagna Monster: [ifwecamefrommonkeyswhyaretherestillmonkeys.jpg]


If we came from parents, why are there still parents?
 
2014-05-04 10:46:20 PM  

Pentaxian: Flying Lasagna Monster: you know who else was a wounded world war 1 vet?

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When I was a kid, I thought that picture was actually Bilbo Baggins. My dad read it to me as I sat on his lap. Thanks for the memories.
 
2014-05-04 10:47:08 PM  

SquiggsIN: you're pissed because I called you out for parroting "solar isn't yet efficient enough for our needs" and that's okay. Enough solar energy hits this planet daily to satisfy our needs for a thousand years. We're not using it because the fossil fuel industry has bought the influence to keep themselves in power. There's no conspiracy at hand about this.


That is total, utter conspiracy theory nonsense. What patents? Which oil companies? Are they the same oil companies that suppressed the thermodynamically impossible 200-MPG carburetor?

Additionally, it doesn't matter if the power is there to be harnessed if you can't harness it. Which costs money. And eats resources. Lots and lots of both. Which you can do right now as your pocketbook allows, alleged patents be damned.
 
2014-05-04 10:49:43 PM  

radiovox: I'm eating peanut butter out of the jar and drinking ginger ale.

I may or may not be high. Don't judge.


If you were in your underwear and masturbating as well, then you'd have hit for the cycle.
 
2014-05-04 10:53:29 PM  

Adolf Oliver Nipples: What you want will be ruinous because it will be unaffordable


This is the language of FEAR. And it is perpetuated by those in financial power.

Your afraid you will have to give something up, afraid without even knowing if it is true or not.

You are so afraid of a momentary surrender of control you cannot even  consider change.
 
2014-05-04 10:54:00 PM  
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2014-05-04 11:05:59 PM  

SquiggsIN: Adolf Oliver Nipples: SquiggsIN: you're pissed because I called you out for parroting "solar isn't yet efficient enough for our needs" and that's okay. Enough solar energy hits this planet daily to satisfy our needs for a thousand years. We're not using it because the fossil fuel industry has bought the influence to keep themselves in power. There's no conspiracy at hand about this.

That is total, utter conspiracy theory nonsense. What patents? Which oil companies? Are they the same oil companies that suppressed the thermodynamically impossible 200-MPG carburetor?

Additionally, it doesn't matter if the power is there to be harnessed if you can't harness it. Which costs money. And eats resources. Lots and lots of both. Which you can do right now as your pocketbook allows, alleged patents be damned.

I'm not doing your homework for you Adolf, Auf Wiedersehen.


There's no homework to be done. It's hard to research something that doesn't exist and hasn't happened.

Lord-Fark-Wad: Adolf Oliver Nipples: What you want will be ruinous because it will be unaffordable

This is the language of FEAR. And it is perpetuated by those in financial power.

Your afraid you will have to give something up, afraid without even knowing if it is true or not.

You are so afraid of a momentary surrender of control you cannot even  consider change.


I'm not even remotely afraid of change. I have nothing to lose. If they hand me a bill that I can't pay I'll laugh right in their faces. But I'm not at issue. There are other people to consider. other issues to address. For instance: would you accept a lower standard of living? That's what it would take. Would you accept the total exploitation of rare earth elements? That's what it would take. Would you be willing to accept rolling blackouts, lack of transportation, retreat to largely rural lifestyles? That's what it would take. How about the vast acreage of land it would take to lay out the solar farms required?

Let's say we combine that with nuclear power, a political football to say the least. How long will suitable nuclear material hold out? Just as we have Peak Oil, we face Peak Uranium. Wind farms? Only where the wind blows with regularity.

The bottom line is this: alternative forms of energy remain alternative because they cannot deliver the same volume, consistency, or transportability as fossil fuels. In our mobile society they will remain alternatives, supplements to fossil fuels, until such time as we change our lifestyles, something humans have proven unwilling to do. Everybody wants to live the dream, escape their rural, agrarian, impoverished life. Nobody wants to go back to it, and that is largely what it would take for alternative energy to completely supplant fossil fuels, and even then it would not prevent the rape of natural resources because we need them to harness it.

Like I said, damned if you do, damned if you don't. Let's do it.
 
2014-05-04 11:07:13 PM  
This was unwatchable in Colorado Springs. They had repeated commercial interruptions that were "outside their control". LGT their Facebook excuse.
 
2014-05-04 11:14:05 PM  

Adolf Oliver Nipples: would you accept...


Non of us are ever asked. We don't get the courtesy of being asked what consequences we will accept. We are presented with the fruits of the endeavors not he costs.

I understand that you have chosen to live in the reality of the world as it is, and frankly I  admire that. I am asking you to not only dream of a better world but to actually  ASK FOR IT too.
 
2014-05-04 11:20:45 PM  

DeadPuppySociety: This was unwatchable in Colorado Springs. They had repeated commercial interruptions that were "outside their control". LGT their Facebook excuse.


What, are they high?
 
2014-05-04 11:28:00 PM  

DeadPuppySociety: This was unwatchable in Colorado Springs. They had repeated commercial interruptions that were "outside their control". LGT their Facebook excuse.


lulz.
 
2014-05-04 11:32:53 PM  

DeadPuppySociety: This was unwatchable in Colorado Springs. They had repeated commercial interruptions that were "outside their control". LGT their Facebook excuse.


To be fair, that sort of thing DOES happen, particularly to stations that aren't O&Os (for example in Atlanta, Fox 5 -is- an O&O, that is Fox actually owns and runs the station directly, it's not just an affiliate so you tend not to have sync issues)
 
2014-05-04 11:42:45 PM  

Dimensio: Wait, evolutionists told me that I came from apes. Now they tell me that I came from a rat. They cannot make up their mind. Therefore, Biblical creationism is true.


< insert South Park reference here>

Sadly, this is exactly the sort of "reasoning" that one of the Fundamentalist Christians I work with uses...
 
2014-05-04 11:45:00 PM  

The Bestest: DeadPuppySociety: This was unwatchable in Colorado Springs. They had repeated commercial interruptions that were "outside their control". LGT their Facebook excuse.

To be fair, that sort of thing DOES happen, particularly to stations that aren't O&Os (for example in Atlanta, Fox 5 -is- an O&O, that is Fox actually owns and runs the station directly, it's not just an affiliate so you tend not to have sync issues)


Oh that may truly be the case. Its just that I have a lot of difficulty giving them the benefit of the doubt considering the content of the episode and the make up of this city.
 
2014-05-05 12:00:54 AM  

IronTom: I think the original Cosmos had a Hall of Extinction.  But back then they were predicting global cooling and that we would run out of fossil fuels, not that we'd have so much that we could possibly affect the weather.


Actually, global cooling was never a popular idea.  Even when it was at its peak of currency, global cooling never had the same kind of scientific credibility that global warming had.

And, in the original Cosmos, Carl Sagan actually talked about the dangers to the Earth of a runaway greenhouse effect of the kind that's responsible for the temperatures on Venus: "we've uncovered other worlds with choking atmospheres and deadly surfaces.  Shall we, then, recreate these hells on Earth?  We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect.  The Earth need not resemble Venus very closely for it to become barren and lifeless.  It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven -- our only home in the Cosmos -- into a kind of hell.  The study of the global climate and the sun's influence, the comparison of the Earth to other worlds -- these are subjects in their earliest stage of development.  They are funded poorly and grudgingly.  And, meanwhile, we continue to load the Earth's atmosphere with materials, about whose long term influence we are almost entirely ignorant."
 
2014-05-05 12:32:17 AM  

Flying Lasagna Monster: someone has to teach this guy how to say the word water


You can take da kid outta da Bronx, but you can't take da Bronx outta da kid.
 
2014-05-05 12:45:03 AM  
Fake.
 
2014-05-05 03:06:15 AM  

Adolf Oliver Nipples: MountainClimber: Creationist outrage to premiere at 10PM

Premiere? It's been around for centuries.


Don't call it a premiere
It's been here for years
Rockin heretics and puttin scientists in fear
Makin the tears rain down like a MON-soon
Listen to the bass go BOOM!

I'm gonna burn your books (HUUUH!!!)
Jesus said burn your books (HUUUH!!!)
 
2014-05-05 03:10:08 AM  

Dimensio: Wait, evolutionists told me that I came from apes. Now they tell me that I came from a rat. They cannot make up their mind. Therefore, Biblical creationism is true.


No, no, snails.  That's when we lost our tails.  Although, to be fair, some people say it's all just wind in sails.
 
2014-05-05 08:10:55 AM  

Cake Hunter: I hope tonight he tells us how to fold fitted sheets. F*ckers always end up round and wrinkled.


Hey man, it's simple.
Take sheets off bed.
Wash sheets (not with undies of girly things)..
Dry said sheets.
Put them back on your bed!

It's all in the book.
 
2014-05-05 08:51:15 AM  

sleeper2995: Do creationist deny the continents move?


Well, anything taking millions of years is right out, of course.  Some of them claim that the Earth's landmasses moved a lot during or after Noah's flood.
 
2014-05-05 08:59:10 AM  

IronTom: and we are tiny tiny little tiny things dusted over the surface, but yet we control the farking weather of the whole planet, as do our cow's farts.


"Control" implies the ability to make it do what we want.  You can have the ability to screw something up without the ability to control it.
 
2014-05-05 09:04:36 AM  

eraser8: I think the original Cosmos had a Hall of Extinction.  But back then they were predicting global cooling


The only global cooling Sagan talked about was the possibility of nuclear winter.  Given that large volcanic explosions have been followed by years without summers (including one in historical times), that wasn't such a crazy idea.
 
2014-05-05 09:21:28 AM  

IronTom: You would think the other sides of the Earth would bump into each other, squeezing out the Pacific.


Yeah, if something like that were happening it would cause earthquakes in Japan and volcanic eruptions in the Pacific Northwest.  You'd think we would notice it.
 
2014-05-05 09:24:53 AM  

Adolf Oliver Nipples: Let me let you in on a little secret: if it were as easy as you imagine it to be, someone would have already found a way to make a shiat-ton of money selling the means to harness it


Somebody like the Chinese?
 
2014-05-05 09:25:45 AM  

Flying Lasagna Monster: [cdn.themetapicture.com image 540x415]


that's like saying, "if four plus four equals seventeen, then why are potatoes brown?"
 
2014-05-05 10:03:55 AM  

Dimensio: Now Dr. Tyson is claiming that earthquakes do not occur because God is upset with homosexuals being "married".

This show becomes more anti-Christian with each episode.


So what's your alternative theory?  Instead of Continental Drift, it's Continental Sashay?
 
2014-05-05 10:20:17 AM  

The Bestest: so.. we're all from Newark?


Fark it.  I'm going back to Creationism.
 
2014-05-05 11:41:16 AM  

SquiggsIN: This is what Neil is warning us about.  Sorry Miami!

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And nothing of value was lost.
 
2014-05-05 12:19:50 PM  

radiovox: The design of Neil's ship really bothers me.


Why?  The shape?  The silver paint job?  Not enough bathrooms?
 
2014-05-05 01:20:26 PM  

Adolf Oliver Nipples: There's no homework to be done. It's hard to research something that doesn't exist and hasn't happened.


I wasn't taking sides in this argument before this point, and I don't really want to take sides now, but this is a stupid misstep.  You certainly can research solar power, which does exist already, and even if it didn't there would still be things like feasibility studies.  We don't, for example, have working fusion power plants yet, but we're making strides towards getting them.  It's certainly possible to research fusion power plants to learn how close we are, what the advantages and disadvantages might be, how cost-effective and efficient they might be, etc.

I'm not trying to insult you or make the claim that you ARE stupid ---- merely that you SAID something stupid.
 
2014-05-05 01:34:08 PM  

FlashHarry: Flying Lasagna Monster: [cdn.themetapicture.com image 540x415]

that's like saying, "if four plus four equals seventeen, then why are potatoes brown?"


Potatoes are brown.  You can't explain that.
 
2014-05-05 05:31:08 PM  

ciberido: Adolf Oliver Nipples: There's no homework to be done. It's hard to research something that doesn't exist and hasn't happened.

I wasn't taking sides in this argument before this point, and I don't really want to take sides now, but this is a stupid misstep.  You certainly can research solar power, which does exist already, and even if it didn't there would still be things like feasibility studies.  We don't, for example, have working fusion power plants yet, but we're making strides towards getting them.  It's certainly possible to research fusion power plants to learn how close we are, what the advantages and disadvantages might be, how cost-effective and efficient they might be, etc.

I'm not trying to insult you or make the claim that you ARE stupid ---- merely that you SAID something stupid.


I asked him to show his work. He said that the oil companies were actively suppressing solar power by buying up patents, and I wanted to see evidence of this. Of course, there isn't any.
 
2014-05-05 08:07:35 PM  

ciberido: radiovox: The design of Neil's ship really bothers me.

Why?  The shape?  The silver paint job?  Not enough bathrooms?


For me, it's the eyescream in the opening.
 
2014-05-05 08:30:13 PM  
Fox's On Demand in my area still hasn't added Cosmos 107, the episode where he shows how corporations can misuse science. All others are available. Anyone else experiencing this?
 
2014-05-05 08:35:33 PM  
I like how in every show so far, there has been a theme of established consensus of the time being proven incorrect by pioneering individuals with the courage to speak out, backed by research and data.

Yet despite how consistent and prevalent that theme is, academia and fanbois who brainlessly parrot the consensus fight vigorously and unquestioningly against new theory.

/A Sun centric galaxy -thats absurd
//a single giant continent -thats just fantasy
 
2014-05-06 02:38:20 AM  

Cpl.D: The Tim & Eric Awesome show... isn't.


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