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2014-05-04 09:51:34 PM  
SOAPBOX TIME
 
2014-05-04 09:51:43 PM  
CHEMTRAILS!!!!!!

/kidding
 
2014-05-04 09:51:53 PM  
Uh-oh, back to the Halls of Extinction.
 
2014-05-04 09:51:56 PM  
Beano
 
2014-05-04 09:52:03 PM  
Oh snap!
 
2014-05-04 09:52:31 PM  
How dare he encourage solar power?  The Oklahoma Legislature is gonna be pissed!!
 
2014-05-04 09:53:43 PM  
The design of Neil's ship really bothers me.
 
2014-05-04 09:54:03 PM  
Step 1: Kill the Dinosaur
Step 2: ???
Step 3: PROFIT!
 
2014-05-04 09:54:55 PM  
Neil, it's because nothing is free. To capture it we need to build things. Also, solar isn't yet efficient enough for our needs.

I don't know why he tossed in that lament.
 
2014-05-04 09:55:05 PM  

cmb53208: How dare he encourage solar power?  The Oklahoma Legislature is gonna be pissed!!


Gee, I guess solar would be OK if US people could make solar power, but we keep failing!  We need the Chinese to take over the western states to save us!!!  We'd just do another Solyndra, man are we dumbos.
 
2014-05-04 09:55:21 PM  
MOAR NUCLEAR POWER, PLZ!
 
2014-05-04 09:55:37 PM  
You know, I almost wish he didn't go that far.  In a legislative environment where simply trying to explain the past and known phenomena go too far, projecting into the future might lose some converts.

Did the original series go into future predictions?
 
2014-05-04 09:55:42 PM  
Love that animation.
 
2014-05-04 09:55:52 PM  

SquiggsIN: Pat Robertson will release a stern statement regarding how god DOES cause earthquakes/tsunamis/etc when he's angry with us puny humans.


Then his church must suck, because my pastor just gave a sermon this morning about how God doesn't cause natural disasters.

"And, behold, the LORD passed by, and a great and strong wind rent the mountains, and broke in pieces the rocks before the LORD; but the LORD was not in the wind; and after the wind an earthquake; but the LORD was not in the earthquake; and after the earthquake a fire; but the LORD was not in the fire; and after the fire a still small voice.  And it was so, when Elijah heard it, that he wrapped his face in his mantle, and went out, and stood in the entrance of the cave. And, behold, there came a voice unto him, and said: 'What doest thou here, Elijah?'  "
 
2014-05-04 09:56:38 PM  
unspoken "... SO DON'T FARK IT UP"
 
2014-05-04 09:57:15 PM  

SquiggsIN: Adolf Oliver Nipples: solar isn't yet efficient enough for our needs

that's a false narrative brought to you buy the coal/oil/gas industry.


You're right. Thus far you have known it all. Go forth and make a mint, you expert, you unquestioned genius, you.
 
2014-05-04 09:57:40 PM  
You would think the other sides of the Earth would bump into each other, squeezing out the Pacific.
 
2014-05-04 09:59:01 PM  
Great ep as always!

Pico --  See you tomorrow for the boops and beeps??
 
2014-05-04 09:59:16 PM  
Speak for yourself Neil. I am a master of my own domain.
 
2014-05-04 09:59:35 PM  

Dimensio: sleeper2995: Do creationist deny the continents move?

Creationists are a diverse group, with varying beliefs (all scientifically wrong).

Some creationists deny that the Earth moves.


The turtle moves!
 
2014-05-04 09:59:51 PM  
Tesla?!?!
 
2014-05-04 10:00:01 PM  
And then it ends in Fuzzy doors.
 
2014-05-04 10:00:16 PM  
Well gonna sleep off the rest of my Derby hangover. G'nite friends.
 
2014-05-04 10:00:25 PM  

ArgusRun: You know, I almost wish he didn't go that far.  In a legislative environment where simply trying to explain the past and known phenomena go too far, projecting into the future might lose some converts.

Did the original series go into future predictions?


I think the original Cosmos had a Hall of Extinction.  But back then they were predicting global cooling and that we would run out of fossil fuels, not that we'd have so much that we could possibly affect the weather.
 
2014-05-04 10:01:09 PM  

geom_00: Pico -- See you tomorrow for the boops and beeps??


F*CK YEAH. I would assume there will be a thread on Farklite, but if it's on TF, I"m hoping somebody will send out the alert on FB. Maybe Di can check....?  Because I will pay to participate in that.
 
2014-05-04 10:01:29 PM  
img1.wikia.nocookie.net

I thought that the true story of the greatest scientist had already been told.
 
2014-05-04 10:01:42 PM  
that's a false narrative brought to you buy the coal/oil/gas industry.

Nuh-uhhh. Still no economically viable way of storing the solar energy. Once we crack that nut, solar is a go. Until then, MOAR NUKES PLZ

/hydrocarbons are too valuable to burn
 
2014-05-04 10:01:55 PM  
@ Adolph & SquiggsIN

economies of scale, economies or $cale.


Incased you missed it ==> $$  <==
 
2014-05-04 10:02:40 PM  

Lord-Fark-Wad: @ Adolph & SquiggsIN

economies of scale, economies or $cale.


Incased you missed it ==> $$  <==


What does that mean, in English?
 
2014-05-04 10:02:41 PM  
Did anybody but me catch the huge error? He identified Wegner and a GEOLOGIST when in fact he was a GEOGRAPHER! The main reason Wegner was not believed was because the geologists looked down on him as a geographer. They thought that ONLY geologists could discern facts about the earth. He had a golden opportunity to point out WHY scientists are sometimes as narrow minded as everybody else but he blew it!
 
2014-05-04 10:02:44 PM  

picodenico: geom_00: Pico -- See you tomorrow for the boops and beeps??

F*CK YEAH. I would assume there will be a thread on Farklite, but if it's on TF, I"m hoping somebody will send out the alert on FB. Maybe Di can check....?  Because I will pay to participate in that.


You and I both!!
 
2014-05-04 10:03:15 PM  
it's continents all the way down!
 
2014-05-04 10:03:38 PM  

Lord-Fark-Wad: @ Adolph & SquiggsIN

economies of scale, economies or $cale.


Incased you missed it ==> $$  <==


Well SHNIT I wish I could type ....
economies OF $cale, not 'or $cale'
 
2014-05-04 10:05:42 PM  

SquiggsIN: Adolf Oliver Nipples: SquiggsIN: Adolf Oliver Nipples: solar isn't yet efficient enough for our needs

that's a false narrative brought to you buy the coal/oil/gas industry.

You're right. Thus far you have known it all. Go forth and make a mint, you expert, you unquestioned genius, you.

[img.fark.net image 568x438]


Cool chart.

Let me let you in on a little secret: if it were as easy as you imagine it to be, someone would have already found a way to make a shiat-ton of money selling the means to harness it, conspiracy theories notwithstanding.
 
2014-05-04 10:06:41 PM  

Lord-Fark-Wad: Lord-Fark-Wad: @ Adolph & SquiggsIN

economies of scale, economies or $cale.


Incased you missed it ==> $$  <==

Well SHNIT I wish I could type ....
economies OF $cale, not 'or $cale'


You're still not making any sense. Paragraphs would be nice, your clever soundbytes aren't fully capturing what you're trying to say.
 
2014-05-04 10:06:54 PM  

Delawheredad: Did anybody but me catch the huge error? He identified Wegner and a GEOLOGIST when in fact he was a GEOGRAPHER! The main reason Wegner was not believed was because the geologists looked down on him as a geographer. They thought that ONLY geologists could discern facts about the earth. He had a golden opportunity to point out WHY scientists are sometimes as narrow minded as everybody else but he blew it!


Ehhhh, as a holder of a geography degree, I don't really care that much. The fact he was acknowledged so heavily just made me happy.
 
2014-05-04 10:07:55 PM  
All that interesting, thoughtful stuff, and right after the local news comes on with a lead story abut some pervert video'ed on a bus exposing himself. It may have been a mistake coming down out of the trees...
 
2014-05-04 10:08:11 PM  

Adolf Oliver Nipples: SquiggsIN: Adolf Oliver Nipples: SquiggsIN: Adolf Oliver Nipples: solar isn't yet efficient enough for our needs

that's a false narrative brought to you buy the coal/oil/gas industry.

You're right. Thus far you have known it all. Go forth and make a mint, you expert, you unquestioned genius, you.

[img.fark.net image 568x438]

Cool chart.

Let me let you in on a little secret: if it were as easy as you imagine it to be, someone would have already found a way to make a shiat-ton of money selling the means to harness it, conspiracy theories notwithstanding.


probably the conspiracy theories are not notwithstanding.  There is big money in oil and gas, even in coal.  We'll get solar, probably  with independent communities that will protect their solar from external legislation and sledgehammers.
 
2014-05-04 10:10:20 PM  
Well, I'm out. May the Fourth be with you....
 
2014-05-04 10:11:31 PM  

mark12A: All that interesting, thoughtful stuff, and right after the local news comes on with a lead story abut some pervert video'ed on a bus exposing himself. It may have been a mistake coming down out of the trees...


That's one reason why Thoreau went on to Walden Pond:  the daily news was full of these creeps and just awful news, but it was not big news, just little nasty news items, that you don't have to hear in a shed on the pond.
 
2014-05-04 10:12:22 PM  

SquiggsIN: Adolf Oliver Nipples: SquiggsIN: Adolf Oliver Nipples: SquiggsIN: Adolf Oliver Nipples: solar isn't yet efficient enough for our needs

that's a false narrative brought to you buy the coal/oil/gas industry.

You're right. Thus far you have known it all. Go forth and make a mint, you expert, you unquestioned genius, you.

[img.fark.net image 568x438]

Cool chart.

Let me let you in on a little secret: if it were as easy as you imagine it to be, someone would have already found a way to make a shiat-ton of money selling the means to harness it, conspiracy theories notwithstanding.

and the coal/oil/gas industry buys them out and shutters any patents.... and they've been doing it for decades.

keep farking that chicken buddy.


THIS IS WHAT CRAZY PEOPLE ACTUALLY BELIEVE

You do understand that even the most evil of oil companies realize that oil is getting harder and harder to find, right? You also understand that solar power requires collection equipment that wears out, right? If there were a way to make money selling solar they'd sell their mothers into slavery to do it.

You are free to adopt solar on your own hook. Tell me how long it takes you to amortize the costs of going completely off the grid. I think you'll find that it's quite a bit more costly than you imagine it to be.
 
2014-05-04 10:14:38 PM  

Adolf Oliver Nipples: Lord-Fark-Wad: Lord-Fark-Wad: @ Adolph & SquiggsIN

economies of scale, economies or $cale.


Incased you missed it ==> $$  <==

Well SHNIT I wish I could type ....
economies OF $cale, not 'or $cale'

You're still not making any sense. Paragraphs would be nice, your clever soundbytes aren't fully capturing what you're trying to say.


Well if I need to spell it out .... All I meant was that when someone figures out how to make money on it it will happen. Solar will mysteriously become viable. The same goes for any "alternative" energy.
 
2014-05-04 10:21:50 PM  

SquiggsIN: Lord-Fark-Wad: Adolf Oliver Nipples: Lord-Fark-Wad: Lord-Fark-Wad: @ Adolph & SquiggsIN

economies of scale, economies or $cale.


Incased you missed it ==> $$  <==

Well SHNIT I wish I could type ....
economies OF $cale, not 'or $cale'

You're still not making any sense. Paragraphs would be nice, your clever soundbytes aren't fully capturing what you're trying to say.

Well if I need to spell it out .... All I meant was that when someone figures out how to make money on it it will happen. Solar will mysteriously become viable. The same goes for any "alternative" energy.

which is why every home doesn't have solar panels.... no grid required = no centralized profit source via government-mandated utility monopoly

but, according to adolph i'm crazy.. so be it.


s2.quickmeme.com

'meaning no offense, just the idea. ;-)
 
2014-05-04 10:26:53 PM  

IronTom: You would think the other sides of the Earth would bump into each other, squeezing out the Pacific.


Thanks, man.
 
2014-05-04 10:29:44 PM  

SquiggsIN: which is why every home doesn't have solar panels.... no grid required = no centralized profit source via government-mandated utility monopoly


See, that's what I'm talking about. Rather than some made-up silly reason, why not say that it would substantially increase the cost of living, which when applied uniformly would be extraordinarily cost-prohibitive and resource draining. You would trade one devil for another.

And that's fine, I also think we ought to exploit solar power to the best of our ability (along with other alternative energy sources), but it certainly will not be the panacea you seem to think it will be. There ain't no such thing as a free lunch, something Neil deGrasse Tyson certainly knows and you should know.
 
2014-05-04 10:35:49 PM  

ArgusRun: You know, I almost wish he didn't go that far.  In a legislative environment where simply trying to explain the past and known phenomena go too far, projecting into the future might lose some converts.

Did the original series go into future predictions?


Well, it's difficult to make predictions, especially about the future, but here are some quotes from the original Cosmos:

And our small planet at this moment, here we face a critical branch point in history, what we do with our world, right now, will propagate down through the centuries and powerfully affect the destiny of our descendants, it is well within our power to destroy our civilization and perhaps our species as well. If we capitulate to superstition or greed or stupidity we could plunge our world into a time of darkness deeper than the time between the collapse of classical civilization and the Italian Renaissance. But we are also capable of using our compassion and our intelligence, our technology and our wealth to make an abundant and meaningful life for every inhabitant of this planet.

Our global civilisation is clearly on the edge of failure and the most important task it faces, preserving the lives and well-being of its citizens and the future habitability of the planet. But if we're willing to live with the growing likelihood of nuclear war shouldn't we also been willing to explore vigorously every possible means to prevent nuclear war
 
2014-05-04 10:36:00 PM  

SquiggsIN: Adolf Oliver Nipples: SquiggsIN: which is why every home doesn't have solar panels.... no grid required = no centralized profit source via government-mandated utility monopoly

See, that's what I'm talking about. Rather than some made-up silly reason, why not say that it would substantially increase the cost of living, which when applied uniformly would be extraordinarily cost-prohibitive and resource draining. You would trade one devil for another.

And that's fine, I also think we ought to exploit solar power to the best of our ability (along with other alternative energy sources), but it certainly will not be the panacea you seem to think it will be. There ain't no such thing as a free lunch, something Neil deGrasse Tyson certainly knows and you should know.

Do you realize that you're arguing against something I NEVER SAID?


I am arguing against precisely what you said. You're dragging out conspiracy theory nonsense about how the oil companies are preventing solar power proliferation by eating patents and the government is tacitly approving of this to maintain a power delivery monopoly. That is exactly what you are saying. I'm saying you're full of shiat and explaining exactly why the conspiracy theory nonsense is exactly that.
 
2014-05-04 10:38:16 PM  
Adolph Oliver Nipples is someone with money who intends to keep it, ... at ANYcost.

Or he's delusional ...
 
2014-05-04 10:40:44 PM  

RminusQ: Well, it's difficult to make predictions, especially about the future


LOL!
 
2014-05-04 10:41:53 PM  

Lord-Fark-Wad: Adolph Oliver Nipples is someone with money who intends to keep it, ... at ANYcost.

Or he's delusional ...


I'm a realist with no money at all. The reality is that what we have right now is ruinous but affordable. What you want will be ruinous because it will be unaffordable. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.
 
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