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(Glamour Magazine)   "Sixteen Candles" came out 30 years ago and the Asian community hasn't forgiven Gedde Watanabe yet   (glamour.com) divider line 74
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2014-05-05 11:52:40 AM  

Lackofname: I may not be remembering this right, but didn't that movie basically end in date rape? The girl was drunk and had sex, didn't really remember it, but was SO HAPPY about it?


Well...Carolyn was black-out drunk when Farmer Ted drove her home in Jake's Dad's Rolls-Royce. But if you recall, Carolyn was the one who got things started by putting her head on his lap and saying, 'I Love you." IIRC, there was also a subtle unzipping sound that followed her line. When they woke up in the parking lot the next morning, she was anything but happy; actually sounded somewhat regretful. Ted asked Carolyn if they ..."you know" (he must have gotten drunk at some point as well). And she said, "Yeah..I'm pretty sure we did."
 
2014-05-05 11:55:42 AM  

Uzzah: Your can parse this two ways. Caroline essentially confirms that they had sex ("I'm pretty sure"). But she has "no idea" "what happened." This suggests she was blackout drunk when it happened, which would make her incapable of giving consent to have sex. (For that matter, you could also say that Ted was incapable of giving consent, too.) Ergo, she was raped.

On the other hand, she has some vague recollection of the evening ("You were pretty crazy," she has a "feeling" that she enjoyed it). You might say that she has enough recollection of events to permit the assumption that she was conscious enough to be capable of giving consent at the time, and her vagueness in talking about it after the fact is her just being coy or defensive.



either way she was raped.  in the second scenario she was probably scared or shamed.  she wakes up not knowing where she was or who Geek was.  she was probably fearful.
 
2014-05-05 11:58:24 AM  

Hawk24: But if you recall, Carolyn was the one who got things started by putting her head on his lap and saying, 'I Love you." IIRC, there was also a subtle unzipping sound that followed her line. When they woke up in the parking lot the next morning, she was anything but happy; actually sounded somewhat regretful. Ted asked Carolyn if they ..."you know" (he must have gotten drunk at some point as well). And she said, "Yeah..I'm pretty sure we did."



imagine how if George Lucas made "Sixteen Candles".....the re-release would have CGI of Geek and Carolyn falling in love at the dance and the church parking lot "i think i enjoyed it...the best part was waking up in your arms" scene would be deleted entirely.
 
2014-05-05 12:04:44 PM  

rickythepenguin: either way she was raped.  in the second scenario she was probably scared or shamed.  she wakes up not knowing where she was or who Geek was.  she was probably fearful.


Possibly. Though going by that, you could argue Ted was raped too, as he has no recollection what happened. AND he's a minor. As a senior, she's likely 18.

So. They raped each other. QED.
 
2014-05-05 12:23:05 PM  

JammerJim: Though going by that, you could argue Ted was raped too, as he has no recollection what happened. AND he's a minor. As a senior, she's likely 18.



She should be a registered sex offender.

and since they weren't in a relationship before the sex, she can't take advantage of any "romeo and juliet" laws (assuming her jurisdiction has such laws) becuase they generally require evidence of a bone fide dating/romantic relationship as a defense to sexual activity between adults and minors, assuming of course that the age gap is also within statutory confines.
 
2014-05-05 12:27:15 PM  

rickythepenguin: No Such Agency: * except Kevin Smith, who made one good movie and has then jerked off into our faces for a few decades.


I like that one Kevin Smith movie, I can't remember the name of it, but, that one movie of his where the last third of the movie is the two principal characters going back and forth with long-winded soliloquies ruminating on the true nature of friendship. Which one was that?


Hmm it is possible I have been "told".  You ain't wrong, but hey at least it wasnt self plagiarism the first time.

/haven't seen Red State.
 
2014-05-05 12:36:14 PM  

No Such Agency: Hmm it is possible I have been "told". You ain't wrong, but hey at least it wasnt self plagiarism the first time.



no, no one got told.  jus tpointing out Smith's tired trope of jay/silent bob, dante/randall, the two angels (damon and affleck i think), mallrats, hell, even the lesbian movie, every damn movie, like i said, boils down to a dissertation on friendship.  i loved clerks but i kinda fell out of love with kevin smith's movies.

i'll watch his monologues on tv from time to time and those are pretty good.  he's come by with Jay on his live shows but i don't like him for, you know, $25 x2 and a two drink minimum.

a few years ago Carolla had him on his podcast, to talk about that weird business deal where I guess Smith blamed Carolla for bailing on some big podcast festival, but Carolla said he never committed, but had his own axe to grind about Smith supposedly torpedoing some TV show Carolla supposedly had locked up.  it got contentious and i don't know who "won", but it seemed like on both counts just a communication breakdown. "you never answered my email", "i don't even USE email, i told you, 'call my guy', im basically illiterate and farking hate email", "i emailed you again and you didn't respond", and so on.
 
2014-05-05 12:54:42 PM  
The rapey-rape-rape stuff (Farmer Ted, above) is similar to the rape in Revenge of the Nerds (dress up like girl's boyfriend in costume, have sex with her in the funhouse).  What an era.

I'll add how in Sixteen Candles the family keeps making fun of the groom's background, calling them the 'Rice-checks'.  Nothing like those Eastern Europeans!
 
2014-05-05 01:37:22 PM  
They also apparently haven't forgiven Speed Racer (the live-action film, not the cartoon), nor have
they excused Jackie Chan, William Hung, any remake of "Godzilla", Toyota Camrys manufactured
in Kentucky, and the diner owner on "2 Broke Girls".
 
2014-05-05 02:20:27 PM  

namatad: uncle buck
and so many more

dammit time for a hughes fest


I love the dance scene in Uncle Buck.  My dad was in the Beau Brummels.
 
2014-05-05 02:26:08 PM  

boozehat: My dad was in the Beau Brummels.



for reals?  have a couple tunes of theirs.  my mom was a big fan.  seriously!
 
2014-05-05 02:46:57 PM  

Li'l Robbie: They also apparently haven't forgiven Speed Racer (the live-action film, not the cartoon), nor have
they excused Jackie Chan, William Hung, any remake of "Godzilla", Toyota Camrys manufactured
in Kentucky, and the diner owner on "2 Broke Girls".




Chinese Laundry Owner Blasted For Reinforcing Negative Ethnic Stereotypes

SAN FRANCISCO-Second-generation Chinese-American laundry owner Raymond Chen is under heavy fire this week from Bay Area activists who call him "an insulting caricature that perpetuates long-outdated, grossly prejudiced images of Asian Americans."

"It's frightening to think that, in 1998, some of us still haven't moved beyond the century-old stereotype of Chinese people as laundrymen," said Abigail Huber-Henson, a University of California at Berkeley cultural-studies professor and director of the Race Action Project, the campus group spearheading the crusade against Chen. "This man is a degrading anachronism that has no place in a supposedly enlightened society like ours. To meet him is to be directly confronted with America's shameful history of racism."

Added Huber-Henson: "We should no more tolerate this than we would a Pakistani convenience-store owner or a Jewish lawyer."

An extensive anti-Chen public-awareness campaign, including petitions, rallies, and letters to city and state officials, has already reduced business at the embattled Chen Chinese Laundry by 40 percent. Chen, 33, said he is puzzled by the strong reaction to him and his business.

"I do not understand why all these people hate me," Chen told reporters. "I run a good laundry. My family has owned and operated this business for nearly 60 years. I grew up here in this neighborhood. We do dry cleaning, starching, pressing-everything you need, no problem. We have good prices and even do emergency rush jobs for only small additional fee. I have done nothing wrong."

The controversy is expected to heat up Friday, when hearings begin at San Francisco City Hall. The hearings, which are expected to last several weeks due to the long list of academics and activists who wish to speak out against Chen, will determine if his presence in the community can be prosecuted under local "hate crime" statutes. Chen's opponents argue that the launderer should be ruled a violation of San Francisco's anti-hate-speech municipal code, established in 1990 to guarantee persons of color a living environment free of "offensive and emotionally damaging racial language or imagery." If convicted, Chen could face fines of up to $20,000 and up to 15 months in prison, as well as mandatory attendance at anti-racism workshops.

"As long as Chen is allowed to continue this grotesque and derogatory display, we cannot consider the Bay Area a 'safe space' for Asian Americans," Huber-Henson said. "His cartoonish, insultingly narrow depiction of Asian Americans makes him, in effect, a cultural terrorist, wreaking untold damage to the self-esteem of millions of minority citizens. We demand that these people-who are human beings, just like you and me-be treated with the dignity they deserve."
 
2014-05-05 02:51:26 PM  
boozehat I love the dance scene in Uncle Buck.  My dad was in the Beau Brummels.

I prefer the 'stones, but hat's how I roll.
Yes I meant the Beau Brummelstones.  Who didja think I meant?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aIo-hIYPklU
 
2014-05-05 03:31:50 PM  
My friend just ran into Long Duk Dong at a waffle shop near Oakland this morning.

/not-so-csb
//thought he'd be at a 30-year reunion somewhere
 
2014-05-05 05:05:36 PM  
I'm Chinese-American and I've long quoted Long Duk Dong (Short Round from Temple of Doom also) on purpose.

Then again, I was born just after the movie came out and went to a high school that was half Asian...
 
2014-05-05 05:27:27 PM  

Li'l Robbie: They also apparently haven't forgiven Speed Racer (the live-action film, not the cartoon), nor have
they excused Jackie Chan, William Hung, any remake of "Godzilla", Toyota Camrys manufactured
in Kentucky, and the diner owner on "2 Broke Girls".


Don't forget Weird Al's UHF.

/Supplies!!!
 
2014-05-05 06:28:29 PM  
"I have to sleep under a guy named after a duck's dork!"
 
2014-05-05 07:11:24 PM  

B.L.Z. Bub: Li'l Robbie: They also apparently haven't forgiven Speed Racer (the live-action film, not the cartoon), nor have
they excused Jackie Chan, William Hung, any remake of "Godzilla", Toyota Camrys manufactured
in Kentucky, and the diner owner on "2 Broke Girls".

Don't forget Weird Al's UHF.

/Supplies!!!




Eddie Murphy covered all this in 1983. NSFW
 
2014-05-05 11:28:23 PM  

B.L.Z. Bub: Li'l Robbie: They also apparently haven't forgiven Speed Racer (the live-action film, not the cartoon), nor have
they excused Jackie Chan, William Hung, any remake of "Godzilla", Toyota Camrys manufactured
in Kentucky, and the diner owner on "2 Broke Girls".

Don't forget Weird Al's UHF.

/Supplies!!!


But they're ok with Takashi from Revenge of the Nerds?

Robster craws
Frush.
 
2014-05-05 11:52:36 PM  

hugh chardon: B.L.Z. Bub: Li'l Robbie: They also apparently haven't forgiven Speed Racer (the live-action film, not the cartoon), nor have
they excused Jackie Chan, William Hung, any remake of "Godzilla", Toyota Camrys manufactured
in Kentucky, and the diner owner on "2 Broke Girls".

Don't forget Weird Al's UHF.

/Supplies!!!

But they're ok with Takashi from Revenge of the Nerds?

Robster craws
Frush.


What the f*ck is a frush?
 
2014-05-06 02:14:48 AM  

hugh chardon: B.L.Z. Bub: Li'l Robbie: They also apparently haven't forgiven Speed Racer (the live-action film, not the cartoon), nor have
they excused Jackie Chan, William Hung, any remake of "Godzilla", Toyota Camrys manufactured
in Kentucky, and the diner owner on "2 Broke Girls".

Don't forget Weird Al's UHF.

/Supplies!!!

But they're ok with Takashi from Revenge of the Nerds?

Robster craws
Frush.


Hair pie!
 
2014-05-06 02:51:24 AM  

Lackofname: I may not be remembering this right, but didn't that movie basically end in date rape? The girl was drunk and had sex, didn't really remember it, but was SO HAPPY about it?


I suspect you're (only slightly) misremembering what happened to Jake's girlfriend, Caroline. She was really drunk and Jake sent the geek to take her home while he dealt with some other issues, and Caroline effectively seduced the geek but was so drunk that she didn't really remember it the next day. Then she and the geek paired up willingly, shortly after piecing together how their evening was spent.
 
2014-05-06 03:54:25 AM  

Uzzah: Ergo, she was raped.


So...they're both incapable of giving consent, but SHE was raped? They didn't rape each other? Of course you couldn't say that, because then you'd hear how incredibly stupid it sounds. But that's essentially what you're claiming when you claim that drunk people cannot consent, unless you are saying that drunk WOMEN are incapable of giving consent, but drunk MEN are capable, in which case, you will need to provide some legal justification for criminalizing the behavior of one sex and legitimizing the same exact behavior from the opposite sex.
 
2014-05-06 04:12:31 AM  

Tumbleweed Garden: went to a high school that was half Asian...


Which one was Asian, the mother or the father?
 
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