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(The Daily Beast)   Number of careers available to Christians "is quickly shrinking as homosexuals seek opportunities to wreck the personal business and career of any Christian who declines to support the gay lifestyle." This is bad news for florists   (thedailybeast.com) divider line 182
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2014-05-04 10:43:06 AM  
33 votes:
It's not limiting the career options of Christians, but limiting the career options for asshats.

You want to be a bigot and an asshat, who limits their market by excluding a fair amount of the population, yeah, you're looking at cutting your own damn throat, and it's self selecting your own career demise. That's freedom, baby.
2014-05-04 10:43:48 AM  
31 votes:
I love how right-wingers are all about "GUBBMIT SHOULD STAY OUT OF THE FREE MARKET" until the free market tells someone it has a problem with them being a bigot.
2014-05-04 02:31:12 PM  
14 votes:

The Lone Gunman: So, let me get this straight...We don't want to serve gay people, so gay people are taking their business elsewhere and that's not fair.

That can't be right.  Seriously, it can't be.


I think it's more like "We don't want to serve gay people, and gay people taking their business elsewhere is fine with us. But people who don't agree with us that gays should be discriminated against are also taking their business elsewhere, and there are so many of them that it is actually hurting our business, and that's not fair." I think what really gets their goats is that so many non-gay people disagree with their beliefs about how to treat gay people and are willing to act on that disagreement. They can't comprehend that non-gay people could stand up for the fair treatment of gay people without somehow being coerced into it by a gay mafia with a gay agenda.

Or, for the short version, "We aren't the majority we thought we were, and that's not fair" with a side helping of "we are entitled to other people's money".
2014-05-04 12:59:07 PM  
14 votes:
I'm much more afraid of getting farked in the ass by a business with signs festooned by Jesus fish than I am by one with signs awash in rainbows.
2014-05-04 10:51:07 AM  
14 votes:
Yeah, what THEY^^^ said.

These assholes are all "free market capitalists", until the free market curb stomps  them.  Then they demand protection.
2014-05-04 02:52:53 PM  
12 votes:
Here's the thing that gets me about gay opponents. They're all so "up in your face" about their "disapproval" of homosexuality. They have to broadcast it everywhere they go. They put it on their bumper stickers, they wear it on their t-shirts, or they pin it to themselves on a button. They just refuse to keep their lifestyles to themselves.

I don't care if people want to disapprove of homosexuality in the privacy of their own homes. Whatever revolting things they want to do on their own time in their own place is fine.

But if you decide to flaunt your perverted gay hate everywhere you go, don't be surprised when there are consequences. Don't be surprised if employers don't want anything to do with you. Don't be surprised if your normal friends with good morals abandon you. Don't be surprised if even your own family rejects you.

Keep your gay hate in the closet where it belongs.
2014-05-04 01:58:23 PM  
10 votes:

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2014-05-04 11:08:42 AM  
10 votes:
If they kept their opinions to themselves and focused on running a business they wouldn't have a problem? Crazy idea.
2014-05-04 02:04:14 PM  
9 votes:
So, let me get this straight...We don't want to serve gay people, so gay people are taking their business elsewhere and that's not fair.

That can't be right.  Seriously, it can't be.
2014-05-04 01:02:32 PM  
9 votes:

Mr. Coffee Nerves: I'm much more afraid of getting farked in the ass by a business with signs festooned by Jesus fish than I am by one with signs awash in rainbows.


Guaranf*cknteed, if they bring their disabilities, charity or religion into a business transaction, you will get screwed, or at minimum, horribly manipulated.
2014-05-04 02:03:26 PM  
8 votes:
Showed up on my FB feed:

i.imgur.com

All the hatred towards people who are different from us is learned behavior. Not in any way born or organic.

Unlearn that shiat and live free ya bunch of farkwits.
2014-05-04 01:49:36 PM  
8 votes:
The majority is going crazy when they think they get treated like how they have treated minorities in the past. The irony is overflowing with deliciousness.
2014-05-04 01:50:44 PM  
7 votes:
I'm not sure persecution is exactly the same as declining to support. Someone trying to pass laws to limit the rights of others is persecuting them, not declining to support them.

I hope any Christians (or anybody of any/no religion, actually) who tries to curtail the rights of others gets treated by society and the free market like the assholes they are.

Let's hope they learn to exercise their right to remain silent.
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2014-05-04 12:09:51 PM  
7 votes:
Considering how they tried to wreck the personal business and careers of gays and everyone else on the long list of people they hate, I wouldn't have a problem with that even if it were true.
2014-05-04 05:18:53 PM  
6 votes:

Miss Alexandra: Well, for every gay that wants to purposely wreck a Christian's livelihood out of hate, there is likely at least one Christian who will be a customer.

You don't go into an occult shop and demand they stock King James Bibles.  Likewise, if a Christian--obeying their conscience--doesn't want to be involved in your so-called "wedding," just find someone with no morals or make it yourself.

I think most people have the sense to know that these gays are just being hateful and spiteful.  "Waaahhh...we can't get these guys to tolerate our perverted lifestyle!  Let's make sure we put them out of business!"

/just disgusted right now


Why do the pearl-clutching Christians* always try to conflate a business refusing to do what they're in business to do with forcing a business to do something they don't?

Boycotting a business that refuses to serve customers because they think those customers are 'icky' is in no way even remotely like trying to force a business to serve something or provide a service they wouldn't normally provide.  These "kosher deli serving a ham sandwich" and "occult shop selling the KJB" examples aren't the same thing by any stretch of the imagination.

"We should boycott Business A because they refuse to serve a specific portion of the population." <-- That's the free market at work.
"We should force Business A to start selling a product they don't currently sell because I want that product." <-- What stupid Christians* seem to think is happening when a business gets boycotted for being bigoted.

* I am, of course, not generalizing about all Christians.  I know for a fact that many of them are compassionate, loving, and accepting people, but those aren't the Christians who think boycotting a business for being shiatty to potential customers is the equivalent of religious persecution.
2014-05-04 04:26:58 PM  
6 votes:

cchris_39: Should kosher deli's be forced to sell me a ham sandwich?

Of course not. Just as my dentist is not obligated to give me a pedicure, as much as I'd like one. It's not a service offered at that business.

Should the black owned dry cleaners be forced to launder my hood and robe? If the customer base of the black owned dry cleaners is such that refusing to launder the robe will create a backlash that will cause the business to suffer, then they should either launder the robe or accept the loss of business. They should not, however, refuse to launder the robe and then whine about the fact that their actions offended their customer base and now their business is suffering.
2014-05-04 04:02:39 PM  
6 votes:
Okay: I can't bake your cake because I have a conflict with the date

Not okay: I could bake your cake, but I am not going to because what you are doing is an abomination in the the eyes of the Lord.

Note that the first option does not state what type of conflict or any specifics. The conflict with the date may be, "Your getting married conflicts with my morals." But, it is polite. What these Christians want is the ability to insult you and lecture you about your sex life hiding behind their "religion."
2014-05-04 03:10:35 PM  
6 votes:

ScaryBottles: Por que tan serioso: Thats it right there. Activists. Someone up thread was saying something bla bla bla "fair amount of the population" bla bla bla. LGBT are not even close. Tiny minority. But the way people talk its seems like 50/50 at this point.

Because the only people who care about marriage equality are LGBTs. See Einstein this is why everyone thinks you guys are bigoted pieces of shiat. But really really terrible try.


Exactly. I'm a heterosexual woman. I'm married to a heterosexual man. We have a baby, and we plan to make another. Hey, we're even white (Dutch and Irish genes make for very pale babies).  And you know what? I support marriage equality. I voted against Prop 8, and I have no plans to eat at Chik-Fil-A.

Yes, I have gay friends (including two who just got married, with Latrice Royale officiating!), but it shouldn't even matterthat it affects people close to me. I support homosexual marriage because I'm human and believe in equality under the law.

So, no. It's not a tiny minority of activists who these businesses are alienating. It's people like me, as well.
2014-05-04 02:34:26 PM  
6 votes:

jjorsett: hubiestubert: It's not limiting the career options of Christians, but limiting the career options for asshats.

You want to be a bigot and an asshat, who limits their market by excluding a fair amount of the population, yeah, you're looking at cutting your own damn throat, and it's self selecting your own career demise. That's freedom, baby.

How about, oh say, donating money to support support traditional marriage, gun ownership, school vouchers, anti-minimum-wage, or any of the other left-wing bêtes noires? Should such people be hounded out of careers because only asshats support such things? And if some group on the opposite side of the political spectrum feels the  supporters of  climate change legislation should be removed from the public square and their high-profile jobs, is that okay with you? Is the modern equivalent of witch-burning what you want as the new paradigm?


Stupid gotcha is stupid.
2014-05-04 02:27:59 PM  
6 votes:
Xians...

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2014-05-04 01:52:57 PM  
6 votes:

archichris: Read up on the tactics that the Mafia uses to extort protection money and then read up on the tactics terrorists use to change public opinion or policy.....

Then read up on the tactics the LGBT activists use against Christians.

Its a scary parallel.

You know who else.... nah never mind, you arent reading anymore anyway.


this... This is a Poe right?
2014-05-04 06:48:29 PM  
5 votes:

ricbach229: namegoeshere: ricbach229: notto: ricbach229: ]

The guy pushed out at Mozilla was fired for donating to a prop 8 support group that had their donor list illegally released.

This is absolutely untrue and you are spreading a lie.  The donor list was legally released by the California Secretary of state as mandated by law.  Quit  spreading lies.

Thanks for being an asshole while calling me a liar over a mistake.  I didn't realize California had a $100 threshold for disclosure of donations to non politicians.

I notice you didn't correct me on the private phone call Stirlings had or the bakers case where they are essentially a kosher deli being forced to serve an unkosher cake.

Please explain this. What makes a kosher deli kosher is not their refusal to serve a particular customer. It is the list of ingredients that they do not use in their food. What ingredient is included in Gay Cake that is forbidden in Christian cake? Because that would be the only way the two situations would be at all the same.

Kosher isn't just kosher because of the ingredients.  It's also in the prep.  Slaughter a cow one way and it's kosher, do

it another and it's just hamburger.

And refusing to sell the same kosher burger to one person that they freely sell to another person would be similar to this. Refusing to sell a non-kosher sandwich in their kosher business is not.


The bakers sell a wedding cake as a contribution to the marriage sacrament.  Something as small as the male/female figure on the top of the cake is a part of it.  Now they're being forced to change the cakes decorations from what they artistically believe appropriate and sell to people who are not even committing the sacrament. In the case in Colorado the baker had made other products without any problem for the couple in question.  It was only when it came to the wedding cake that the baker said no, this is different, can't do it.

They are in no way contributing to the sacrament of marriage. They aren't marrying the couple. There is no cake in a wedding ceremony. They're baking a cake for the party after the ceremony. They're baking the same cake they bake for every other  couple. They are specifically denying that same cake to the gay couple. And again, it has fark all to do with your kosher deli example.
2014-05-04 04:29:47 PM  
5 votes:

cchris_39: Now substitute kosher deli and ham sandwiches with pharmacy and morning after pills.


I don't know how this is actually classified in reality but imo if I were in charge yes pharmacies should have to sell morning after pills because pharmacies are more like an essential service and yes they should stock all kinds of medications because medical places like pharmacies are the only places you can get pills. You can buy ham and meat elsewhere and make your own sandwiches so your analogy doesnt apply.
2014-05-04 01:55:20 PM  
5 votes:

JoshTheTech: I wish I had a gay lifestyle, unfortunately my lifestyle is depressing.


You could, however, have a gay agenda...

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2014-05-04 01:47:18 PM  
5 votes:
It is called keeping your personal life personal, and your business life outside of your religious life.

And if you don't want to put two grooms on the top of a cake then don't open a bakery.
2014-05-04 11:08:36 AM  
5 votes:
Isn't "You can't choose to limit who you sell to and then b*tch that not enough people are buying from you"  in like, the first ten Laws of Acquisition?
2014-05-04 07:23:07 PM  
4 votes:

jjorsett: hubiestubert: It's not limiting the career options of Christians, but limiting the career options for asshats.

You want to be a bigot and an asshat, who limits their market by excluding a fair amount of the population, yeah, you're looking at cutting your own damn throat, and it's self selecting your own career demise. That's freedom, baby.

How about, oh say, donating money to support support traditional marriage, gun ownership, school vouchers, anti-minimum-wage, or any of the other left-wing bêtes noires? Should such people be hounded out of careers because only asshats support such things? And if some group on the opposite side of the political spectrum feels the  supporters of  climate change legislation should be removed from the public square and their high-profile jobs, is that okay with you? Is the modern equivalent of witch-burning what you want as the new paradigm?


As you shall sow, so shall ye reap. The paradigm is the same: The Golden Rule. Maybe you should think about how dickish folks have been with their support, and then wonder why folks are pointing and laughing at the idiocy that you've been spouting, O Brave Pioneer...

It's not about sides, you twit. It's about the freedom to disagree, and then whining when folks show their support or disagreement. It's about pants on head retardedness being classified as being equal because it's only "fair." Oh, the poor struggle of the persecuted Christian who can't carry out his vindictive rant against the homos, it's totally the same as how the slaves were treated. Cry me a river for the Sallies who are upset that OTHER people don't hate the gheys...

Rucking fetarded...
2014-05-04 07:08:45 PM  
4 votes:

ricbach229: The cake is a part of the celebration of the blessing. Hell, I've got an uncle-in-law that wouldn't visit my house because my wife and I weren't married yet and were living together. After the marriage he talked to his priest about if it was appropriate because she is Catholic and we didn't have a Catholic service (outdoors in fact) so it wasn't recognized by the Church. I think he's visited once and he said the prayers before we ate. I can easily believe a person of conscience could have a strong religious desire not to contribute any type of blessing on a service that violates the tenets of their church


No one will ever hold a gun to their heads and force them to bake a wedding cake for a gay couple. They are free to refuse - if they are willing to deal with the consequences of their actions. Refusing the cake to a gay couple is negatively impacting their business. If they are going to refuse the cake, they need to accept the consequences of that refusal.

I have to wonder, though, if they would refuse the same cake to the couple previously married and divorced, the atheist couple, the couple with kids outside of the marriage, the couple wearing mixed fabrics and serving lobster at the reception, ect, or is it just the gay couple who violates their code.
2014-05-04 07:01:06 PM  
4 votes:

ricbach229: namegoeshere: ricbach229: namegoeshere: ricbach229: notto: ricbach229: ]

The guy pushed out at Mozilla was fired for donating to a prop 8 support group that had their donor list illegally released.

This is absolutely untrue and you are spreading a lie.  The donor list was legally released by the California Secretary of state as mandated by law.  Quit  spreading lies.

Thanks for being an asshole while calling me a liar over a mistake.  I didn't realize California had a $100 threshold for disclosure of donations to non politicians.

I notice you didn't correct me on the private phone call Stirlings had or the bakers case where they are essentially a kosher deli being forced to serve an unkosher cake.

Please explain this. What makes a kosher deli kosher is not their refusal to serve a particular customer. It is the list of ingredients that they do not use in their food. What ingredient is included in Gay Cake that is forbidden in Christian cake? Because that would be the only way the two situations would be at all the same.

Kosher isn't just kosher because of the ingredients.  It's also in the prep.  Slaughter a cow one way and it's kosher, do it another and it's just hamburger.

And refusing to sell the same kosher burger to one person that they freely sell to another person would be similar to this. Refusing to sell a non-kosher sandwich in their kosher business is not.


The bakers sell a wedding cake as a contribution to the marriage sacrament.  Something as small as the male/female figure on the top of the cake is a part of it.  Now they're being forced to change the cakes decorations from what they artistically believe appropriate and sell to people who are not even committing the sacrament. In the case in Colorado the baker had made other products without any problem for the couple in question.  It was only when it came to the wedding cake that the baker said no, this is different, can't do it.

They are in no way contributing to the sacrament of marriage. They aren't ma ...

The cake is a part of the celebration of the blessing.  Hell, I've got an uncle-in-law that wouldn't visit my house because my wife and I weren't married yet and were living together.  After the marriage he talked to his priest about if it was appropriate because she is Catholic and we didn't have a Catholic service (outdoors in fact) so it wasn't recognized by the Church.  I think he's visited once and he said the prayers before we ate. I can easily believe a person of conscience could have a strong religious desire not to contribute any type of blessing on a service that violates the tenets of their church.


The cake has no significance in the wedding. It's part of the reception.
2014-05-04 06:24:23 PM  
4 votes:

ricbach229: notto: ricbach229: ]

The guy pushed out at Mozilla was fired for donating to a prop 8 support group that had their donor list illegally released.

This is absolutely untrue and you are spreading a lie.  The donor list was legally released by the California Secretary of state as mandated by law.  Quit  spreading lies.

Thanks for being an asshole while calling me a liar over a mistake.  I didn't realize California had a $100 threshold for disclosure of donations to non politicians.

I notice you didn't correct me on the private phone call Stirlings had or the bakers case where they are essentially a kosher deli being forced to serve an unkosher cake.


Please explain this. What makes a kosher deli kosher is not their refusal to serve a particular customer. It is the list of ingredients that they do not use in their food. What ingredient is included in Gay Cake that is forbidden in Christian cake? Because that would be the only way the two situations would be at all the same.
2014-05-04 04:52:07 PM  
4 votes:

cchris_39: Should kosher deli's be forced to sell me a ham sandwich?

Should the black owned dry cleaners be forced to launder my hood and robe?


False equivalence much?

Declining to sell a product =/= declining to serve a potential customer
Declining to accommodate irrational intolerance =/= foisting bigotry on everyone
2014-05-04 04:48:52 PM  
4 votes:

cchris_39: ciberido: cchris_39: Should kosher deli's be forced to sell me a ham sandwich?

If they're selling ham sandwiches to other people, then yes, they should.  Is that the hypothetical situation you were thinking of?

I would agree that he should sell whatever he stocks to all comers but should not have to keep ham sandwiches in inventory just because a lot of people love ham sandwiches.


I'm still trying to figure out what parallel universe we're talking about.  Is this the one where doctors prescribe sandwiches to treat medical conditions, operating a deli requires a "butcher's license," and part of getting a butcher's license involves swearing to make any sandwich for which the customer has a prescription?

Because I would think in such a universe there could not legally be any such thing as a "kosher deli."
2014-05-04 04:09:34 PM  
4 votes:

cchris_39: Should kosher deli's be forced to sell me a ham sandwich?


If they're selling ham sandwiches to other people, then yes, they should.  Is that the hypothetical situation you were thinking of?
2014-05-04 04:06:55 PM  
4 votes:

Waldo Pepper: Bob Robert: Waldo Pepper: A Christian should be known by their actions especially in the business world. Taking care of all customers is the mark of a good Christian business.

What happen to judging a business of the quality and fairness of their product/service and not their beliefs.

When Christians decided they were going to preach morality onto the rest of society and vote for discriminating laws.

it's not just Christians.  Those who won't eat at Chick-fil-a because of the owners beliefs and yet by all accounts the stores treat their employees well and they provide excellent service to their customers. Better than average for their industry.

I'm sure there other examples besides Chick-fil-a but it is the easiest to use.

maybe i'm too naive on this issue.


Well, you're either ignorant or dishonest.  That much is certain.  But I'm willing to go with ignorant.

The issue with Chick-Fil-A, as has been explained in EVERY SINGLE fark thread where the name was mentioned, is that it went beyond beliefs and even beyond public statements.  Chik-Fil-A was (and so far as I know, still us) taking the profits they got from selling their food and using it (via an clearinghouse called "the WinShape Foundation") to fund a number of organizations who oppress gays, even to the point of supporting an organization in Uganda that was attempting to instate the death penalty for homosexuality.

There are other issues as well, but that's the one most people focus on.

And yes, they've backed down some since 2012.  They're not really actively trying to oppress gay people they way they once were.  But it's still false to claim that it's purely about someone's beliefs.
2014-05-04 03:52:49 PM  
4 votes:
Basic problem for these guys is that they see enthusiasm for xity slipping away, the influence of xity slipping away, and they can't understand why everyone else doesn't share their worldview.

Because they are infallibly correct, they look for external explanations - someone to blame - rather than look at all the reasons (thinking) people find xity unattractive.
2014-05-04 03:07:44 PM  
4 votes:

phenn: Showed up on my FB feed:

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All the hatred towards people who are different from us is learned behavior. Not in any way born or organic.

Unlearn that shiat and live free ya bunch of farkwits.


I beg to differ.

Racism IS INBORN BEHAVIOR!  Like most every other category, racism is not an "either/or" dichotomy.  It's a continuum.  In reality, everyone is racist to some degree.

You have to UN LEARN racism.  Natural selection dictates that you be wary of creatures that look different from you.  It's a survival mechanism.  People you recognize are safe.  The more different they look than your own tribe, the more wary you should be.  That leads to racism.

People have to learn that we are all the same species sharing the same big ball.  And many children DO learn this at a young age (should be " . . .  ALL children . . .").

We are all one tribe.
2014-05-04 02:14:59 PM  
4 votes:

Gyrfalcon: Look, the Free Speech Commandment says a person should be able to be a religious bigot and exclude anyone they want, and people who don't like it should still do business with them because it's his right to be a bigot and not to be judged for it.

It's the American way.


No one had any problem with bigotry for the last two hundred years!

Except for those people who weren't people.

This is a radical change in American life.
2014-05-04 01:56:34 PM  
4 votes:

archichris: Read up on the tactics that the Mafia uses to extort protection money and then read up on the tactics terrorists use to change public opinion or policy.....

Then read up on the tactics the LGBT activists use against Christians.

Its a scary parallel.

You know who else.... nah never mind, you arent reading anymore anyway.


Funny, when I looked into this just now, I didn't see anything that I would consider a scary parallel. Could you be more specific?
2014-05-04 01:52:57 PM  
4 votes:

archichris: Read up on the tactics that the Mafia uses to extort protection money and then read up on the tactics terrorists use to change public opinion or policy.....

Then read up on the tactics the LGBT activists use against Christians.

Its a scary parallel.

You know who else.... nah never mind, you arent reading anymore anyway.


Yes, I'm absolutely sure that gay people are walking into Christian run businesses, breaking a few things, then saying "If you're not serving gays the next time I come in here, I won't be so nice."
2014-05-04 01:45:07 PM  
4 votes:
Read up on the tactics that the Mafia uses to extort protection money and then read up on the tactics terrorists use to change public opinion or policy.....

Then read up on the tactics the LGBT activists use against Christians.

Its a scary parallel.

You know who else.... nah never mind, you arent reading anymore anyway.
2014-05-04 09:54:32 PM  
3 votes:

namegoeshere: ricbach229: The cake is a part of the celebration of the blessing. Hell, I've got an uncle-in-law that wouldn't visit my house because my wife and I weren't married yet and were living together. After the marriage he talked to his priest about if it was appropriate because she is Catholic and we didn't have a Catholic service (outdoors in fact) so it wasn't recognized by the Church. I think he's visited once and he said the prayers before we ate. I can easily believe a person of conscience could have a strong religious desire not to contribute any type of blessing on a service that violates the tenets of their church

No one will ever hold a gun to their heads and force them to bake a wedding cake for a gay couple. They are free to refuse - if they are willing to deal with the consequences of their actions.


I guess that depends on how literally you mean "hold a gun to their heads."  They broke the law and may face civil penalties.  Sure, it's not a death threat but we are living in a nation where a person risks fines (and maybe even jail time) for refusing to serve gay customers.  And I'm ok with that, but let's be scrupulously honest about what's at stake here, lest the folks on "the other side" accuse us of downplaying or being dishonest about the issue.
2014-05-04 09:12:12 PM  
3 votes:

mikefinch: namegoeshere: This also is not an equivalent example. If the business owner refused to frame your facial stabbing pic because you were gay hunting, but agreed to frame the exact same pic for other customers who were straight hunting, then it would be a similar situation. If the bakery owner was offended by wedding cakes in general, and refused to bake wedding cakes for all customers regardless of sexual orientation, then again, it would be a similar situation. The problem comes from agreeing to provide a service for some customers and denying the identical service to others based on their sexual orientation.

No. You are wrong. The frames are like the cake and the photo is like the little statue on the top of the cake. The problem is you think its ok to fight bigotry by being a bigot against bigots.

The only way we can ever stop the hate is to stop it within ourselves. Just take a deep breath, relax, and take your money somewhere else.


Bullshiat. This had fark all to do with putting two man figures on top of a cake:

Mullins and Craig married in Massachussets and had originally gone to Masterpiece in July 2012 because they wanted to a cake for their wedding reception in Colorado. When Phillips refused, the pair went to the American Civil Liberties Union, which filed a complaint with the Colorado Civil Rights Commission (CCRC) on their behalf.
According to the complaint, Phillips told the couple that the store policy was to deny service to customers who wished to order baked goods for a same-sex wedding, based on his religious beliefs.
Phillips told the men, "I'll make you birthday cakes, shower cakes, sell you cookies and brownies, I just don't make cakes for same-sex weddings."

The store owner admits outright that he is denying a service, a wedding cake, toppers not an issue, the same wedding cake as he would happily make for a straight couple, to a gay couple only because they are a gay couple. No other reason.

It is not bigotry in the slightest to refuse to patronize a business because they refuse service based on sexual orientation. It is not religious persecution to refuse to patronize a business for this reason. So quit whining about how all those who would not give our dollars to a business who treats their customers so poorly are persecuting them for their beliefs. They are free to believe whatever they want. But when they base their business practices on these unpopular beliefs, they will not be magically immune to the consequences.
2014-05-04 09:11:39 PM  
3 votes:

ricbach229: The bakers sell a wedding cake as a contribution to the marriage sacrament.  Something as small as the male/female figure on the top of the cake is a part of it.  Now they're being forced to change the cakes decorations from what they artistically believe appropriate and sell to people who are not even committing the sacrament. In the case in Colorado the baker had made other products without any problem for the couple in question.  It was only when it came to the wedding cake that the baker said no, this is different, can't do it.



I've got bad news for you, sunshine.  Nobody gives a crap about your "sacraments."  If I murder your grandmother, and during the trial I say, "Sure, I killed her, but only when it got to the point that letting her live violated my religion's sacraments," I don't think that's gonna play to well in court.  Nor should it.

Generally I try to respect other people's religions, but when it comes to using it to justify discriminating against gays, or women (or any other group, really), then you can shove your precious sacraments up your ass.

Serve every customer equally regardless of race or creed or anything else, or pay the penalty for failing to do so, and tough cookies about your "sacraments."
2014-05-04 08:38:50 PM  
3 votes:
Many so called christians don't do what they say. If they understood the basics of christ's teaching, this wouldn't be an issue.img.fark.net
2014-05-04 07:13:37 PM  
3 votes:

cameroncrazy1984: The cake has no significance in the wedding. It's part of the reception.


The cake is as much a part of the "sacrament" as the band.
2014-05-04 06:54:18 PM  
3 votes:
ricbach229:

The bakers sell a wedding cake as a contribution to the marriage sacrament.

Absolute BS.  There is no indication that the bakers in question ever refused to anyone based on the arrangements of their wedding and they certainly never had this discussion with their past clients.  I'm sure they provided product to people who only had a civil ceremony or another type of non-Christian ceremony and in no way are they participating in the religious (or non religious) part of the wedding.

If they think that they are and that this somehow gives them a right to refuse service then they need to find a different business or a very good attorney because they are violating the terms of their business license that they agreed to when they opened their shop.
2014-05-04 05:58:40 PM  
3 votes:

Bob Robert: Waldo Pepper: no reason for name calling. If you are a person who takes the time to research every company that you do business that is great. I don't have the time nor do i really care what folks do with their money.

You are now taking a different position without admitting your last one was devoid of logic. And speaking of logic, because you don't care what business owners do or say, nobody else should? The typical fark troll response.


my position hasn't changed. I didn't say I agree that the person is right for not doing business with a company. just if that makes them happy then go for it.

Why does it seem that those who are pushing for diversity and acceptance have such a hard time tolerating diversity and acceptance of those who disagree with them?
2014-05-04 05:47:04 PM  
3 votes:

svanmeter: People who once demanded tolerance seem to have become very intolerant. Sad.

/you will not be punished for your anger. You will be punished by your anger. Buddha


There's a bully beating up a weaker kid.  The weaker kid keeps begging the bully to stop, but he just keeps going.  Finally, the weaker kid kicks the bully in the shin.  The bully grabs his shin and cries, "Stop being so mean!" while onlookers shake their heads and mutter, "It's so sad that weaker kid seems to have become so violent."
2014-05-04 05:22:59 PM  
3 votes:
gay that wants to purposely wreck a Christian's livelihood

so-called "wedding," no morals

gays are just being hateful and spiteful

perverted lifestyle


By God I have absolutely never heard these phrases before in my entire life. Ever.
I am stunned by your earth shattering originality.

cakesandcupcakesmumbai.com
2014-05-04 05:19:08 PM  
3 votes:

Miss Alexandra: Well, for every gay that wants to purposely wreck a Christian's livelihood out of hate, there is likely at least one Christian who will be a customer.

You don't go into an occult shop and demand they stock King James Bibles.  Likewise, if a Christian--obeying their conscience--doesn't want to be involved in your so-called "wedding," just find someone with no morals or make it yourself.

I think most people have the sense to know that these gays are just being hateful and spiteful.  "Waaahhh...we can't get these guys to tolerate our perverted lifestyle!  Let's make sure we put them out of business!"

/just disgusted right now


This attitude right here is the opposite of Christ-like. Baby Jesus weeps with shame over your hate.

Also, how can the Meany-pants Gay People possibly put Good Christian Persecuted People out of business if, as you say, for every one who tries, there is at least one Christian to step up and fill the void?
2014-05-04 05:14:24 PM  
3 votes:

Miss Alexandra: Well, for every gay that wants to purposely wreck a Christian's livelihood out of hate, there is likely at least one Christian who will be a customer.

You don't go into an occult shop and demand they stock King James Bibles.  Likewise, if a Christian--obeying their conscience--doesn't want to be involved in your so-called "wedding," just find someone with no morals or make it yourself.

I think most people have the sense to know that these gays are just being hateful and spiteful.  "Waaahhh...we can't get these guys to tolerate our perverted lifestyle!  Let's make sure we put them out of business!"

/just disgusted right now


Holy crap I had heard you existed but I thought it was just a myth! You're the Geocentrist housewife!

http://www.genesis-creation-proof.com/geocentricity.html

whofortedblog.com
2014-05-04 05:03:58 PM  
3 votes:
Well, for every gay that wants to purposely wreck a Christian's livelihood out of hate, there is likely at least one Christian who will be a customer.

You don't go into an occult shop and demand they stock King James Bibles.  Likewise, if a Christian--obeying their conscience--doesn't want to be involved in your so-called "wedding," just find someone with no morals or make it yourself.

I think most people have the sense to know that these gays are just being hateful and spiteful.  "Waaahhh...we can't get these guys to tolerate our perverted lifestyle!  Let's make sure we put them out of business!"

/just disgusted right now
2014-05-04 04:55:43 PM  
3 votes:

noitsnot: phenn: Showed up on my FB feed:

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All the hatred towards people who are different from us is learned behavior. Not in any way born or organic.

Unlearn that shiat and live free ya bunch of farkwits.


Unfortunately, I believe, not true.  Discrimination against groups that are "unlike" one's own is instinctive behavior - except for mating (to promote genetic diversity).  Both are traits that promote the survival of one's own group.


I'll nibble because I think you're being thoughtful and genuine.

We are not unlike. I'm a middle-aged white woman of Irish lineage. Let's say - for a moment - you're a 25-year old black male.

Your DNA and mine are nearly identical. We are both two-legged critters whose survival actually depends on fostering empathy.

Now, I know people who have been raised to believe that particular line of thinking. Shiat's cool and they do well in social situations. I also know people who have been raised to believe that black people, Asian people, gay people, non-christian people (whatever) will be the downfall of humanity as we know it.

For my own experiences, I think everyone I know was born with the first attitude I mention. I think the latter attitude is learned/taught/drilled into the skull. And, hey. I'm prepared to be wrong on this.

Intuitively speaking, it behooves the human species to protect its own. Not dilly-dally on who might be gay, black, short, silly looking and so forth.

That is survival. And - I think - that is what species do.

At least, I hope so.  :-)
2014-05-04 04:35:37 PM  
3 votes:
Por que tan serioso:Thats it right there. Activists. Someone up thread was saying something bla bla bla "fair amount of the population" bla bla bla. LGBT are not even close. Tiny minority. But the way people talk its seems like 50/50 at this point.

(A) It's about 10% of any population.
(B) It doesn't farking matter if it's 1% of a population.  In the U.S., certain rights are guaranteed and not subject to popular or religious opinion. Some of those rights are explicit, some are implied (like the right of privacy), and some are societally determined, like the right to marry.
2014-05-04 04:33:10 PM  
3 votes:

Waldo Pepper: it's not just Christians. Those who won't eat at Chick-fil-a because of the owners beliefs and yet by all accounts the stores treat their employees well and they provide excellent service to their customers. Better than average for their industry.


Yes, Chick-fil-a is very good to those employees and customers who they don't believe were born sub-human.
2014-05-04 04:16:11 PM  
3 votes:

JoieD'Zen: Mr. Coffee Nerves: I'm much more afraid of getting farked in the ass by a business with signs festooned by Jesus fish than I am by one with signs awash in rainbows.

Guaranf*cknteed, if they bring their disabilities, charity or religion into a business transaction, you will get screwed, or at minimum, horribly manipulated.


I see a Jesus fish, I start counting: the numbers. They're usually prosperity gospel heretics, and they're going to fark anyone who they think isn't one of the blessed.
2014-05-04 03:48:03 PM  
3 votes:
A lot of Christians used to support racism and segregation based off Biblical beliefs too.  (Curse of Ham and all that.)  Same argument -- "by not letting us be racist you're going to wipe us out."

In other words:  they'll get over it, and then pretend it never happened.
2014-05-04 03:10:09 PM  
3 votes:

archichris: Read up on the tactics that the Mafia uses to extort protection money and then read up on the tactics terrorists use to change public opinion or policy.....

Then read up on the tactics the LGBT activists use against Christians.

Its a scary parallel.


Let's say I'm willing to believe you for a minute.  How exactly should I "read up on the tactics the LGBT activists use against Christians"?  You didn't provide me any helpful links, so I should just Google "tactics the LGBT activists use against Christians" and see what turns up?  Hmm, ok, so that gets me a story from christianpost.com  and one from "Americans for Truth about Homosexuality,"  both about that Sweet Cakes by Melissa place that ran into trouble for refusing to serve a lesbian couple.  Those are the top hits.  Mmmm, clearly those websites are very biased.

Well, here's an article from LBGTQ Nation that covers the same story.  It, like the other two stories also reports that the owners of Sweet Cakes by Melissa  claim that gay activists used "mafia-like tactics."  It also points out that these are merely claims, and that the owners won't detail them or offer any actual evidence besides the van thing.

So, my question is, are gay activists using "Mafia-like tactics" except in this one story?  And is there any actual evidence of it at all anywhere?  Or is it just one person's unsubstantiated and nebulous claim?
2014-05-04 02:39:38 PM  
3 votes:

vpb: Considering how they tried to wreck the personal business and careers of gays and everyone else on the long list of people they hate, I wouldn't have a problem with that even if it were true.


Makes you wonder if they see the irony in being manhandled by the same people they've been persecuting since...for-farking EVAR?
Nah. It's only persecution when it happens to them.
2014-05-04 02:28:09 PM  
3 votes:

Por que tan serioso: archichris: Read up on the tactics that the Mafia uses to extort protection money and then read up on the tactics terrorists use to change public opinion or policy.....

Then read up on the tactics the LGBT activists use against Christians.

Its a scary parallel.

You know who else.... nah never mind, you arent reading anymore anyway.

Thats it right there. Activists. Someone up thread was saying something bla bla bla "fair amount of the population" bla bla bla. LGBT are not even close. Tiny minority. But the way people talk its seems like 50/50 at this point.


Because the only people who care about marriage equality are LGBTs. See Einstein this is why everyone thinks you guys are bigoted pieces of shiat. But really really terrible try.
2014-05-04 02:25:02 PM  
3 votes:
Gyrfalcon
Look, the Free Speech Commandment says a person should be able to be a religious bigot and exclude anyone they want, and people who don't like it should still do business with them because it's his right to be a bigot and not to be judged for it.
It's the American way.


Per the article:
In a recent fundraising email, the president of the American Family Association, Tim Wildmon, warned his mailing list that the number of careers available to conscientious Christians "is quickly shrinking as homosexuals pro-actively seek opportunities to wreck the personal business and career of any Christian who declines to support the gay lifestyle." The professions now prohibited by homosexual activism? Photographer, Baker, Florist, Broadcaster, Counselor, Innkeeper, and Teacher. (Not included: Host on Bravo.)

I am all for the right to think differently. I Believe people should have the right to belong to the KKK and have freedom of speech, and thought for that matter.

But when a KKK bakery owner does not want to sell his cakes to black people, that might cross the line.

Why should a Christian bakery owner be able to refuse to bake a cake for a gay couple?

It is called separating one's personal life and one's business life.

Or they could try reading other parts of the bible. too.
2014-05-04 02:23:18 PM  
3 votes:

Skirl Hutsenreiter: ElLoco: ecmoRandomNumbers: FirstNationalBastard: Ah, the gay bogeyman.

He only hides under beds that have at least 1000 thread count sheets on them.

Nah. We gays know that over 600 is redundant and unnecessary. 600-count Egyptian cotton sateen is heavenly.

Yea, well you're missing out. I've got 1000-counts on my beds and wouldn't give them up. Also, I'm not gay, so that may skew my 'sheet feel' receptors.

Eh. I realized a few years ago that I actually prefer crisp sheets to satiny soft ones, so I don't go over 300 any more. It can be kinda hard to find good construction in that range, though.


I found some old military hospital sheets that are thick and crisp. Now only great to sleep on but will last forever compared to these soft satiny ones.
2014-05-04 01:55:14 PM  
3 votes:
Meh.  If you want to limit yourself to ChickFillet or HobbyLobby, be my guest.  (Sorry about the spelling-never been to either.)
2014-05-04 01:11:08 PM  
3 votes:

FirstNationalBastard: Ah, the gay bogeyman.

He only hides under beds that have at least 1000 thread count sheets on them.


Nah. We gays know that over 600 is redundant and unnecessary. 600-count Egyptian cotton sateen is heavenly.
2014-05-04 12:06:01 PM  
3 votes:
Tell me about it. I can't even hang the "NO COLOREDS OR JEWS" sign God told me to put up without catching all kinds of hell.

I'm all persecuted. Just like Jesus.
2014-05-04 11:21:54 AM  
3 votes:

JoieD'Zen: If they kept their opinions to themselves and focused on running a business they wouldn't have a problem? Crazy idea.

And got with the times and realized that people, in general, don't like bigots, but really don't care if some dude wants to marry or sleep with another dude, hence, why people look down upon them.
2014-05-04 11:04:50 AM  
3 votes:
Subby's blog was poorly written and subby should feel bad.

That said, hypocrisy isn't exactly new or anything. Hell we have the modern religious freedom movement complaining that the act of making abuse of gays illegal is actually impeding their freedom and that businesses have religious values that are important now that obamacare is law, because they dontnwant employees to pay for insurance to cover their slut pills.
2014-05-05 08:28:59 AM  
2 votes:

Miss Alexandra: Well, for every gay that wants to purposely wreck a Christian's livelihood out of hate, there is likely at least one Christian who will be a customer.

You don't go into an occult shop and demand they stock King James Bibles.  Likewise, if a Christian--obeying their conscience--doesn't want to be involved in your so-called "wedding," just find someone with no morals or make it yourself.

I think most people have the sense to know that these gays are just being hateful and spiteful.  "Waaahhh...we can't get these guys to tolerate our perverted lifestyle!  Let's make sure we put them out of business!"

/just disgusted right now


You're part of a ~2,000 year-old death cult that believes an infant can be damned to an eternity of torment based on the behavior of its parents.  I really don't think you have any place being disgusted by pretty much anything gay people do.
2014-05-04 11:42:12 PM  
2 votes:

pwhp_67: The business can refuse service if they want to, it's their right.


WRONG

Where the fark do people keep getting this dumbass idea?  If you are open to the public then you have to serve the public.  If your customers are not violating the law or disrupting your business, you don't get to decide you don't feel like serving them.
2014-05-04 09:13:50 PM  
2 votes:

Waldo Pepper: A Christian should be known by their actions especially in the business world. Taking care of all customers is the mark of a good Christian business.

What happen to judging a business of the quality and fairness of their product/service and not their beliefs.


When they make their private beliefs part of their public business, it becomes an issue.

I couldn't care less that the HobbyLobby owners are fundamentalists, even when they closed on Sundays (lots of business pick a day of the week to be closed)....but when they decided that they shouldn't have to follow the same rules as other businesses due to their private religious beliefs, it becomes an issue for me. Now I want to make sure that my money doesn't help to fund their efforts to obtain some sort of special treatment from the gov't due to religion. So I don't shop there. Don't care that the chik-fil-a folks are fundies or where they spent their money, until it became apparent that they were firing good employees when they were found to be gay. That isn't ok, and it brings their private beliefs into the public arena. So I no longer eat there either.

Your religious beliefs don't make you special. Deal with it.
2014-05-04 09:07:28 PM  
2 votes:

mikefinch: namegoeshere: This also is not an equivalent example. If the business owner refused to frame your facial stabbing pic because you were gay hunting, but agreed to frame the exact same pic for other customers who were straight hunting, then it would be a similar situation. If the bakery owner was offended by wedding cakes in general, and refused to bake wedding cakes for all customers regardless of sexual orientation, then again, it would be a similar situation. The problem comes from agreeing to provide a service for some customers and denying the identical service to others based on their sexual orientation.

No. You are wrong. The frames are like the cake and the photo is like the little statue on the top of the cake. The problem is you think its ok to fight bigotry by being a bigot against bigots.

The only way we can ever stop the hate is to stop it within ourselves. Just take a deep breath, relax, and take your money somewhere else.


Let's see if I get this straight.  Refusing to patronize a business because they won't serve certain types of customers is being bigoted toward bigots, so instead we should chose to patronize a different business.  I don't think you've thought your cunning argument all the way through.
2014-05-04 08:49:38 PM  
2 votes:

mikefinch: namegoeshere: They are in no way contributing to the sacrament of marriage. They aren't marrying the couple. There is no cake in a wedding ceremony. They're baking a cake for the party after the ceremony. They're baking the same cake they bake for every other  couple. They are specifically denying that same cake to the gay couple. And again, it has fark all to do with your kosher deli example.

Lets say i hunt allot and i have a great picture of myself stabbing a deer in the face... And i take it in to a framing shop owned by a PETA ultravegan... and the guy politely tells me he cant open his business towards something he feels glorifies killing animals... Its against his values...

Is he a bigot?


This also is not an equivalent example. If the business owner refused to frame your facial stabbing pic because you were gay hunting, but agreed to frame the exact same pic for other customers who were straight hunting, then it would be a similar situation. If the bakery owner was offended by wedding cakes in general, and refused to bake wedding cakes for all customers regardless of sexual orientation, then again, it would be a similar situation. The problem comes from agreeing to provide a service for some customers and denying the identical service to others based on their sexual orientation.
2014-05-04 07:53:38 PM  
2 votes:
Let's put this in perspective. Let us suppose that our hypothetical subject is not a homophobic bigot, but a pedophile. Let us further suppose that this person frequently expresses the sentiment that having sex with small children is a great thing, and that people should do it more often. Let us further suppose that he perhaps publishes a blog that also expresses these sentiments. Let us even further supposes that he makes frequent donations to NAMBLA, and is unapologetic about it.
Now - who here wishes to do business with, associate with, work with, or employ this person? What? None of you?
Quelle surprise.
That's because it's UNACCEPTABLE.
Period.
Well, the only thing that is changing is that bigotry regarding innate characteristics is joining that short list of views that are not acceptable among the civilized. Nothing else has changed. There have always been things one could not say without severe consequences. It's just the things themselves that change, over time.
It's too bad some people don't like bigotry being add to the list - but, time goes on, and things change.
Society is not becoming any less tolerant of transgressive views than it ever has - probably a bit more so.
Some people just think it is, because views they are comfortable with are becoming unacceptable.
2014-05-04 07:19:24 PM  
2 votes:
Since I'm on mobile I won't quote that wall of text but allow me to say that this is the first thread any of us have seen you post in, and it's very convenient for you to pretend to be gay to bolster your argument that you are non-partisan.
2014-05-04 07:15:15 PM  
2 votes:

Kittypie070: I never grasped how wishing to get married was "NO MORALS!" anyway.

I guess these Christians prefer "living in sin" as they call it, since they actually don't want people to get married.


Nobody should want to get married1. It is a terrible financial decision.

1everybody should have the right to get married if they want to though2
2
making this clear because a certain drooling idiot in this thread will inevitably accuse me of being against gay rights
2014-05-04 07:02:12 PM  
2 votes:
ricbach229:

Hell, I've got an uncle-in-law that wouldn't visit my house because my wife and I weren't married yet and were living together.

So, by your logic, your mortgage was a 'sinful' one and the bank would have the right to refuse to finance your house or foreclose once they found out about it if it was against the bank owners religious views.

Is that your argument?
2014-05-04 06:47:47 PM  
2 votes:
Fafai: Even the hetero stuff I do is pretty gay.

Dude. Or not...

TOO MUCH INFORMATION.

Wise up, or you'll end up sinking yourself with that big mouth of yours.

Just a friendly warning...from the Twilight Zone.
2014-05-04 05:59:30 PM  
2 votes:
I never grasped how wishing to get married was "NO MORALS!" anyway.

I guess these Christians prefer "living in sin" as they call it, since they actually don't want people to get married.
2014-05-04 05:55:03 PM  
2 votes:
Mike_1962:
There's a screaming difference here. As far as I know Chick-fil-a doesn't refuse service to people based on sexual orientation.


No, but the owner donates significant money to efforts to fight legalization of gay marriage. I suspect that's the reason a lot of people  (me included) won't eat there. I don't want even a dime of whatever I spend on lunch going into the pocket of a bigoted asshat who's actively trying to deny equal rights to other human beings.

I'm sure I unwittingly support some people who spend money for things I disagree with, but when it's as well publicized as ChikFilA, easy to avoid going there.

/really, really miss their sweet-roll-around-a-nugget breakfast though...
2014-05-04 05:52:05 PM  
2 votes:

JoieD'Zen: If they kept their opinions to themselves and focused on running a business they wouldn't have a problem? Crazy idea.


Like a private phone call between two people?

The guy pushed out at Mozilla was fired for donating to a prop 8 support group that had their donor list illegally released.

The bakery owners in that lawsuit out west had baked for the gays in question before, just drew the line at helping them to violate a sacrament.
2014-05-04 05:50:39 PM  
2 votes:

svanmeter: People who once demanded tolerance seem to have become very intolerant. Sad.


How is it intolerant to not patronize a business that treats potential customers poorly? It's not intolerance, it's the free market at work. Very American.
2014-05-04 05:45:05 PM  
2 votes:
Business X treats potential customers poorly. Word gets around. People stop patronizing Business X.

"Wah!! Religious persecution!!"
2014-05-04 05:36:00 PM  
2 votes:

acohn: Miss Alexandra: Well, for every gay that wants to purposely wreck a Christian's livelihood out of hate, there is likely at least one Christian who will be a customer.

You don't go into an occult shop and demand they stock King James Bibles.  Likewise, if a Christian--obeying their conscience--doesn't want to be involved in your so-called "wedding," just find someone with no morals or make it yourself.

I think most people have the sense to know that these gays are just being hateful and spiteful.  "Waaahhh...we can't get these guys to tolerate our perverted lifestyle!  Let's make sure we put them out of business!"

/just disgusted right now

[img.fark.net image 469x304]


Serious.  Check the profile.
2014-05-04 05:34:02 PM  
2 votes:
People who once demanded tolerance seem to have become very intolerant. Sad.

/you will not be punished for your anger. You will be punished by your anger. Buddha
2014-05-04 05:22:33 PM  
2 votes:
Makes you wonder if the motive for these "christians" to run a  business isn't necessarily to run a business, but to use it as an excuse to convert people. And they know that gays have a +5 Resistance to Jeebus Conversion, so what's the point of dealing with them then?
2014-05-04 05:15:07 PM  
2 votes:

Miss Alexandra: Well, for every gay that wants to purposely wreck a Christian's livelihood out of hate, there is likely at least one Christian who will be a customer.

You don't go into an occult shop and demand they stock King James Bibles.  Likewise, if a Christian--obeying their conscience--doesn't want to be involved in your so-called "wedding," just find someone with no morals or make it yourself.

I think most people have the sense to know that these gays are just being hateful and spiteful.  "Waaahhh...we can't get these guys to tolerate our perverted lifestyle!  Let's make sure we put them out of business!"

/just disgusted right now


img.fark.net
2014-05-04 05:14:55 PM  
2 votes:

Miss Alexandra: Well, for every gay that wants to purposely wreck a Christian's livelihood out of hate, there is likely at least one Christian who will be a customer.

You don't go into an occult shop and demand they stock King James Bibles. Likewise, if a Christian--obeying their conscience--doesn't want to be involved in your so-called "wedding," just find someone with no morals or make it yourself.

I think most people have the sense to know that these gays are just being hateful and spiteful. "Waaahhh...we can't get these guys to tolerate our perverted lifestyle! Let's make sure we put them out of business!"

/just disgusted right now



These gays are being so hateful and spiteful after I try and restrict their basic rights. How dare they be so uppity?
2014-05-04 04:47:59 PM  
2 votes:

acohn: Por que tan serioso:Thats it right there. Activists. Someone up thread was saying something bla bla bla "fair amount of the population" bla bla bla. LGBT are not even close. Tiny minority. But the way people talk its seems like 50/50 at this point.

(A) It's about 10% of any population.
(B) It doesn't farking matter if it's 1% of a population.  In the U.S., certain rights are guaranteed and not subject to popular or religious opinion. Some of those rights are explicit, some are implied (like the right of privacy), and some are societally determined, like the right to marry.


I wish instead of "someone upthread" there was a quote to the post so I could see the context. If in whatever context it was used you could substitute being an ally for actually being gay then 50% is still pretty dismal.

Its like those guys who said the straight peopel are just caving to pressure and acting like theyre tolerant because gay rights are 'in right now' or whatever nonsense. It's not gay vs straight. It's respectful human beings inclusive of everyone vs dickwads.
2014-05-04 04:22:52 PM  
2 votes:

cchris_39: ciberido: cchris_39: Should kosher deli's be forced to sell me a ham sandwich?

If they're selling ham sandwiches to other people, then yes, they should.  Is that the hypothetical situation you were thinking of?

I would agree that he should sell whatever he stocks to all comers but should not have to keep ham sandwiches in inventory just because a lot of people love ham sandwiches.


Obviously. what is your point here? Do you think a gay wedding cake is a completely different thing from a hetero wedding cake? It's the same ingredients and making cakes is their business.
2014-05-04 04:01:14 PM  
2 votes:

Waldo Pepper: Bob Robert: Waldo Pepper: A Christian should be known by their actions especially in the business world. Taking care of all customers is the mark of a good Christian business.

What happen to judging a business of the quality and fairness of their product/service and not their beliefs.

When Christians decided they were going to preach morality onto the rest of society and vote for discriminating laws.

it's not just Christians.  Those who won't eat at Chick-fil-a because of the owners beliefs and yet by all accounts the stores treat their employees well and they provide excellent service to their customers. Better than average for their industry. 

I'm sure there other examples besides Chick-fil-a but it is the easiest to use. 

maybe i'm too naive on this issue.  Do you have the product/service i want or need and will you provide it a a fair price. Yes.good I'll buy, no okay I'll keep looking.


There's a screaming difference here. As far as I know Chick-fil-a doesn't refuse service to people based on sexual orientation. I might eat there if it were convenient. I don't approve of the owner's stance on same sex marriage, but he has a right to his opinion. When you refuse service based on sexual orientation, or because you disapprove of same sex marriage, you have gone from being one bigot amoung many and crossed the line into active persecution.
2014-05-04 03:51:05 PM  
2 votes:
groppet: I dont care if you are christian or gay just go to work and do your damn job. And no I dont want to know about your personal life. .

Yuuup. I've had dozens of gay coworkers, and dozens more straight and/or christian. All I ever gave a shiat about was if someone could do their job without dying or annoying me.
2014-05-04 03:48:58 PM  
2 votes:

RottenEggs: TheHighlandHowler: Meh.  If you want to limit yourself to ChickFillet or HobbyLobby, be my guest.  (Sorry about the spelling-never been to either.)

You are missing out : (


I have to admit that Chick-Fil-A's food is pretty damn tasty, at least as far as fast food goes.  Heck, it's just tasty, period.  And their lemonade is awesome.

There's one pretty close to where I live and it's been really tempting to go inside and get some food.  I haven't had any in quite a while now.
2014-05-04 03:38:29 PM  
2 votes:

phenn: Showed up on my FB feed:

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All the hatred towards people who are different from us is learned behavior. Not in any way born or organic.

Unlearn that shiat and live free ya bunch of farkwits.



Unfortunately, I believe, not true.  Discrimination against groups that are "unlike" one's own is instinctive behavior - except for mating (to promote genetic diversity).  Both are traits that promote the survival of one's own group.
2014-05-04 03:32:46 PM  
2 votes:
Por que tan serioso:Thats it right there. Activists. Someone up thread was saying something bla bla bla "fair amount of the population" bla bla bla. LGBT are not even close. Tiny minority. But the way people talk its seems like 50/50 at this point.

It IS about 50/50 in the USA now, if you're talking about poll results.  The number of ACTIVISTS is less than 50% of people eligible to vote in the USA, of course.  But that's a completely different thing.

Actually it looks like approval of same-sex marriage is already past 50%.  In some sense, the battle is already over. At most those of you opposed to gay marriage are merely delaying the inevitable at this point.
2014-05-04 03:27:32 PM  
2 votes:
I dont care if you are christian or gay just go to work and do your damn job. And no I dont want to know about your personal life. So far this year at work I've been given 3 cards by christians to go to their church. None of the gay people have tried to convert me. Guess I dont dress that well.
2014-05-04 03:26:43 PM  
2 votes:

Waldo Pepper: A Christian should be known by their actions especially in the business world. Taking care of all customers is the mark of a good Christian business.

What happen to judging a business of the quality and fairness of their product/service and not their beliefs.


When Christians decided they were going to preach morality onto the rest of society and vote for discriminating laws.
2014-05-04 03:25:20 PM  
2 votes:

Forty-Two: ScaryBottles: Por que tan serioso: Thats it right there. Activists. Someone up thread was saying something bla bla bla "fair amount of the population" bla bla bla. LGBT are not even close. Tiny minority. But the way people talk its seems like 50/50 at this point.

Because the only people who care about marriage equality are LGBTs. See Einstein this is why everyone thinks you guys are bigoted pieces of shiat. But really really terrible try.

Exactly. I'm a heterosexual woman. I'm married to a heterosexual man. We have a baby, and we plan to make another. Hey, we're even white (Dutch and Irish genes make for very pale babies).  And you know what? I support marriage equality. I voted against Prop 8, and I have no plans to eat at Chik-Fil-A.

Yes, I have gay friends (including two who just got married, with Latrice Royale officiating!), but it shouldn't even matterthat it affects people close to me. I support homosexual marriage because I'm human and believe in equality under the law.

So, no. It's not a tiny minority of activists who these businesses are alienating. It's people like me, as well.


Why isn't everyone like this? (At least it's now a growing majority).

It's basic common sense, like the Golden Rule.  Jesus even taught this type of attitude.

But ironically, the anti-gay crowd is predominantly "Christian".
2014-05-04 03:02:43 PM  
2 votes:

TV's Vinnie: hubiestubert: It's not limiting the career options of Christians, but limiting the career options for asshats.

You want to be a bigot and an asshat, who limits their market by excluding a fair amount of the population, yeah, you're looking at cutting your own damn throat, and it's self selecting your own career demise. That's freedom, baby.

THIS!


Because sometimes the "invisible hand" of the free market has to slap a biatch.

Stephen_Falken: Number of careers available to Christians Americans "is quickly shrinking as homosexuals Mexicans seek opportunities to wreck the personal business and career of any Christian American who declines to support the gay illegal immigrant lifestyle." This is bad good news for florists landscape companies


Nice fungibility test.
2014-05-04 02:49:31 PM  
2 votes:

archichris: Read up on the tactics that the Mafia uses to extort protection money and then read up on the tactics terrorists use to change public opinion or policy.....

Then read up on the tactics the LGBT activists use against Christians.

Its a scary parallel.

You know who else.... nah never mind, you arent reading anymore anyway.


When you go immediately to "GAY MAFIA!!!" territory, no, I reckon not.
2014-05-04 02:46:52 PM  
2 votes:
jjorsett: but it's my divine right as stated in the Constitution to be a lout and a bigot, and to deliberately insult people at any time and for any reason!! Only I have rights, it says so in the Bible! How dare anyone oppress me!
2014-05-04 02:44:49 PM  
2 votes:

jjorsett: hubiestubert: It's not limiting the career options of Christians, but limiting the career options for asshats.

You want to be a bigot and an asshat, who limits their market by excluding a fair amount of the population, yeah, you're looking at cutting your own damn throat, and it's self selecting your own career demise. That's freedom, baby.

How about, oh say, donating money to support support traditional marriage, gun ownership, school vouchers, anti-minimum-wage, or any of the other left-wing bêtes noires? Should such people be hounded out of careers because only asshats support such things? And if some group on the opposite side of the political spectrum feels the  supporters of  climate change legislation should be removed from the public square and their high-profile jobs, is that okay with you? Is the modern equivalent of witch-burning what you want as the new paradigm?


Why do you hate the free market?
2014-05-04 02:38:37 PM  
2 votes:

jjorsett: hubiestubert: It's not limiting the career options of Christians, but limiting the career options for asshats.

You want to be a bigot and an asshat, who limits their market by excluding a fair amount of the population, yeah, you're looking at cutting your own damn throat, and it's self selecting your own career demise. That's freedom, baby.

How about, oh say, donating money to support support traditional marriage, gun ownership, school vouchers, anti-minimum-wage, or any of the other left-wing bêtes noires? Should such people be hounded out of careers because only asshats support such things? And if some group on the opposite side of the political spectrum feels the  supporters of  climate change legislation should be removed from the public square and their high-profile jobs, is that okay with you? Is the modern equivalent of witch-burning what you want as the new paradigm?


Dude you are like the all time world champion of butthurt whinging. There is no outrage large or small that doesn't inspire you to turn on the water works. Bravo.....
2014-05-04 02:26:28 PM  
2 votes:

hubiestubert: It's not limiting the career options of Christians, but limiting the career options for asshats.

You want to be a bigot and an asshat, who limits their market by excluding a fair amount of the population, yeah, you're looking at cutting your own damn throat, and it's self selecting your own career demise. That's freedom, baby.


How about, oh say, donating money to support support traditional marriage, gun ownership, school vouchers, anti-minimum-wage, or any of the other left-wing bêtes noires? Should such people be hounded out of careers because only asshats support such things? And if some group on the opposite side of the political spectrum feels the  supporters of  climate change legislation should be removed from the public square and their high-profile jobs, is that okay with you? Is the modern equivalent of witch-burning what you want as the new paradigm?
2014-05-04 02:19:14 PM  
2 votes:

ElLoco: ecmoRandomNumbers: FirstNationalBastard: Ah, the gay bogeyman.

He only hides under beds that have at least 1000 thread count sheets on them.

Nah. We gays know that over 600 is redundant and unnecessary. 600-count Egyptian cotton sateen is heavenly.

Yea, well you're missing out. I've got 1000-counts on my beds and wouldn't give them up. Also, I'm not gay, so that may skew my 'sheet feel' receptors.


Eh. I realized a few years ago that I actually prefer crisp sheets to satiny soft ones, so I don't go over 300 any more. It can be kinda hard to find good construction in that range, though.
2014-05-04 02:09:35 PM  
2 votes:

clancifer: Notabunny: fta Anyone "who has authority of the sword, is the ruler of a city, or wears the purple" has to resign his job or leave.

Aaaaand then they decapitated his whole family. You don't want to say 'no' to people who have authority of the sword. Just ask Vince Foster and Chris Stevens.

I'm not asking any zombies.


I asked a bunch of zombies once.  They were pretty cryptic with their answer: "No one ever spoke to  Noah.They all laughed at him instead. Working on his ark, working all by himself."  Useless, so I told them to hide their faces.
2014-05-04 02:09:09 PM  
2 votes:
Look, the Free Speech Commandment says a person should be able to be a religious bigot and exclude anyone they want, and people who don't like it should still do business with them because it's his right to be a bigot and not to be judged for it.

It's the American way.
2014-05-04 02:04:46 PM  
2 votes:

hubiestubert: It's not limiting the career options of Christians, but limiting the career options for asshats.


But the kinds of people making claims like this also maintain that No True Christian would tolerate or work with homosexuals.  Anyone willing to be (as you put it) not an asshat has stopped being a TRUE Christian.
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2014-05-04 02:02:17 PM  
2 votes:

b0rg9: JoshTheTech: I wish I had a gay lifestyle, unfortunately my lifestyle is depressing.

You could, however, have a gay agenda...

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There was one circulating around inboxes about fifteen years ago, titled "The Homosexual Agenda."  There was a fifteen minute entry, 6:45 - 7:00 - be fabulous!  It cracked me up then, and thinking about it now, I'm grinning.
2014-05-04 11:12:50 AM  
2 votes:
Ah, the gay bogeyman.

He only hides under beds that have at least 1000 thread count sheets on them.
2014-05-05 05:29:36 PM  
1 votes:

noitsnot: No, you can happily refuse service to those people on those grounds.  Not protected.

People get tripped up thinking they need to justify it.  Just say "I don't feel like selling you ice cream today.  Please leave my store."  It's still private property, and right to pass is controlled by the owner and/or the tenant.

Haven't we gone through this enough with the gun guys?


Why do you insist on saying the same stupid wrong crap over and over long after your wrongness has been pointed out to you?  Are you trolling?  Is it performance art?
2014-05-05 04:22:03 AM  
1 votes:

Miss Alexandra: Well, for every gay that wants to purposely wreck a Christian's livelihood out of hate, there is likely at least one Christian who will be a customer.

You don't go into an occult shop and demand they stock King James Bibles.  Likewise, if a Christian--obeying their conscience--doesn't want to be involved in your so-called "wedding," just find someone with no morals or make it yourself.

I think most people have the sense to know that these gays are just being hateful and spiteful.  "Waaahhh...we can't get these guys to tolerate our perverted lifestyle!  Let's make sure we put them out of business!"

/just disgusted right now


So much unwarranted hate for a group of people that most likely have done exactly zero actual harm to you in your life, much less for reasons of deliberate bigotry and spite.

The words you use, the malice you demonstrate outlines in stark contrast your failure to comprehend actual morality.

Furthermore, never has there been any being or force that has incontrovertibly declared you (or anyone you know) the final arbiter of what constitutes a marriage.

Besides which, what you consider perverse is completely subjective, and you have zero authority to inflict your subjective standards on the rest of us.
2014-05-05 03:26:52 AM  
1 votes:

noitsnot: cameroncrazy1984: DrPainMD: Harbinger of the Doomed Rat: pwhp_67: The business can refuse service if they want to, it's their right.

WRONG

Where the fark do people keep getting this dumbass idea?

Maybe they get the idea from an understanding of what freedom is, or from the understanding of what the constitutional limits of governmental authority are.

If by "understanding," you mean "Complete misunderstanding," sure.

It's weird that people think they have a right to enter any business.  Of course they don't.


You do realize that phrases like "It's weird that" and "of course" when making assertions like yours are tantamount to saying "I have no argument to support my claims but I'm either too stupid or too dishonest to acknowledge that," right?

You do have a right to use any public accommodation, that's kinda what the word "public" means.  There are limits: you can refuse service to someone who is NOT part of a protected class in order to "protect a legitimate business interest."

If you are a business that serves the general public, such as a restaurant, you are a public accommodation, which means you must serve everybody and can ONLY refuse service when there is " a legitimate business interest" in doing so.  If you are a private club, then you are not a public accommodation, and the rules are different.  Public, private --- the words make it pretty self-explanatory, really.
2014-05-05 03:13:48 AM  
1 votes:
Good good good good good good good.

Good.
2014-05-05 02:36:17 AM  
1 votes:

Waldo Pepper: is there an acceptable line.  Can a wedding photographer refuse to shoot a gay wedding? can a gay graphic designer refuse to do a job for a christian group?


To revisit your question, it depends on whether you're asking legally, morally, ethically, etc.  IANAL, but my understanding of the legal question is that it depends on whether or not membership in a protected class was the reason for refusing service.  I would say that ethically you should only refuse service to a customer because of his behavior to you, your staff, or to your other clients --- not because of who he is or what he believes.

And no, "I'll refuse his custom because it might make other customers hate me if I didn't" is not, as I see it, a valid reason to refuse anybody.

The principle should be symmetric and universal: e.g., a Christian photographer can't refuse to shoot a gay wedding; a gay photographer can't refuse to shoot a Christian wedding.

A better question might be, Can a gay photographer refuse to shoot a  Westboro Baptist Church Family Values Picnic where homophobic banners wave in the breeze and everyone has their "Pray the Gay Away" (or worse) t-shirts on?  I'm still inclined to say no, you can't refuse to do a job even if doing so seems to help promote or facilitate "the enemy."
2014-05-05 12:49:29 AM  
1 votes:

Miss Alexandra: Well, for every gay that wants to purposely wreck a Christian's livelihood out of hate, there is likely at least one Christian who will be a customer.

You don't go into an occult shop and demand they stock King James Bibles.  Likewise, if a Christian--obeying their conscience--doesn't want to be involved in your so-called "wedding," just find someone with no morals or make it yourself.

I think most people have the sense to know that these gays are just being hateful and spiteful.  "Waaahhh...we can't get these guys to tolerate our perverted lifestyle!  Let's make sure we put them out of business!"

/just disgusted right now


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2014-05-05 12:47:54 AM  
1 votes:

mikefinch: Lets say i hunt allot and i have a great picture of myself stabbing a deer in the face... And i take it in to a framing shop owned by a PETA ultravegan... and the guy politely tells me he cant open his business towards something he feels glorifies killing animals... Its against his values...

Is he a bigot?


One of the issues involved is that hunting is something you DO, whereas homosexuality is something you ARE.  It shouldn't matter: if we lived in a more rational world, people would agree that discriminating against homosexuals (and other lbqt folk) is wrong even if it were a choice.  But sadly, in this imperfect and irrational world in which we live, it does matter in the minds of a lot of folk, and it also has some bearing on sexual orientation's status as a protected class in US law.

So a problem with your analogy is that a hunter has the choice to stop hunting.  Despite what many people claim, a homosexual really doesn't have the choice to stop being gay.

Additionally, in Loving v. Virginia, the US Supreme Court ruled that marriage is one of the "basic civil rights of man," whereas, so far as I know, neither hunting nor getting a picture framed is.  So again, your analogy is not perfect.

That's not to say, however, that your question isn't interesting and deserving of a response.
2014-05-04 11:25:19 PM  
1 votes:

cameroncrazy1984: Nope. You cannot refuse a service that you would normally provide to anyone else.


The business can refuse service if they want to, it's their right. As a business though, they need to be careful when they refuse service as it may hurt them. A company that openly supports gay rights refusing to do business with a Baptist group might actually see an increase rather than a decline and it would make good business sense to turn them down. Is that morally right? Maybe, maybe not.
2014-05-04 10:39:30 PM  
1 votes:

Waldo Pepper: is there an acceptable line.  Can a wedding photographer refuse to shoot a gay wedding? can a gay graphic designer refuse to do a job for a christian group?


Nope. You cannot refuse a service that you would normally provide to anyone else.

I really don't see why this is so hard to get, other than if you're being intentionally obtuse.
2014-05-04 10:23:03 PM  
1 votes:
One thing listed in that article is definitely true: being a soldier is an unfit profession for a real "Christian." What part of loving your enemies and treating people how you want to be treated was unclear in the Bible? But ah, I guess we can just totally ignore crucial parts of a religion and just make up whatever to justify being a douchebag.

/so much for love thy enemy
2014-05-04 10:21:35 PM  
1 votes:

ciberido: namegoeshere: ricbach229: The cake is a part of the celebration of the blessing. Hell, I've got an uncle-in-law that wouldn't visit my house because my wife and I weren't married yet and were living together. After the marriage he talked to his priest about if it was appropriate because she is Catholic and we didn't have a Catholic service (outdoors in fact) so it wasn't recognized by the Church. I think he's visited once and he said the prayers before we ate. I can easily believe a person of conscience could have a strong religious desire not to contribute any type of blessing on a service that violates the tenets of their church

No one will ever hold a gun to their heads and force them to bake a wedding cake for a gay couple. They are free to refuse - if they are willing to deal with the consequences of their actions.

I guess that depends on how literally you mean "hold a gun to their heads."  They broke the law and may face civil penalties.  Sure, it's not a death threat but we are living in a nation where a person risks fines (and maybe even jail time) for refusing to serve gay customers.  And I'm ok with that, but let's be scrupulously honest about what's at stake here, lest the folks on "the other side" accuse us of downplaying or being dishonest about the issue.


I read a great quote years ago about freedom. I wish I remembered it exactly, and who said it. Basically, we all have infinite freedom. We are all free to do whatever the hell we want, as long as we understand and accept the consequences of our actions. I am free to walk into my local bank tomorrow with a gun and demand a whole bunch o' money. I may even get it. However, I understand and accept the consequences of my actions for that, that I would probably suck at bank robbing and would most likely be caught and jailed for a very long time, and even if I got away with it I would feel really bad because bank robbery goes against my moral code. Therefore, although I would love some extra money and am completely free to try my hand at bank robbery, I choose not to do so, as my desire for quick and easy cash is outweighed by the consequences that would come from my actions.

It's late and I'm tired, so I'm having a hard time thinking of an example where my urge to do the unpopular/illegal thing outweighed the consequences - okay, this one's lame, but like I said, I'm tired: Let's say I wanted to engage in a peaceful protest for an issue about which I feel strongly. I am free to do so, as long as I accept that things might go pear shaped and I might be injured or arrested. If I feel strongly enough about the protesty thing to accept the possible consequences, I will go ahead with the protest. And if I am in jail with swollen, tear-gassed eyes, I need to accept that that happened because I made the choice to protest.

So that's where I was going with that. The business owner is free to refuse service to the gay couple, as long as he accepts the consequences of doing so - those consequences being a loss of customers, stiff fines, even the loss of the business. If their conviction that the need for the refusal of service outweighs the negative consequences, then they will continue to refuse the service. That there are serious consequences involved does not deny them the freedom to refuse the service.

That they operate the business in a state where their refusal of service to the gay couple is breaking the law, then they need to do so only after acknowledging and accepting the consequences of breaking that law. They can't break the law and then claim religious persecution for experiences the consequences of breaking said law.
2014-05-04 09:15:40 PM  
1 votes:

gaspode: mikefinch: namegoeshere: They are in no way contributing to the sacrament of marriage. They aren't marrying the couple. There is no cake in a wedding ceremony. They're baking a cake for the party after the ceremony. They're baking the same cake they bake for every other  couple. They are specifically denying that same cake to the gay couple. And again, it has fark all to do with your kosher deli example.

Lets say i hunt allot and i have a great picture of myself stabbing a deer in the face... And i take it in to a framing shop owned by a PETA ultravegan... and the guy politely tells me he cant open his business towards something he feels glorifies killing animals... Its against his values...

Is he a bigot?

Your picture is not a person. If he refused to frame a picture for you because of who you are then that might be similar. A baker can say he wont bake fruitcake.


agreed. Anytime a business refuses to take care of a customer and the reason given is "we don't want your kind in here" and "your kind" isn't something illegal that would be the problem.  

a business can turn away a type of business. a garage can refuse to work on a car that is beyond their ability or isn't worth working on. a barber can refuse to cut dirty lice infested hair, a dry cleaner can refuse to clean the KKK hood if they don't have the equipment that the hood will fit on.
2014-05-04 09:08:56 PM  
1 votes:

namegoeshere: mikefinch: namegoeshere: They are in no way contributing to the sacrament of marriage. They aren't marrying the couple. There is no cake in a wedding ceremony. They're baking a cake for the party after the ceremony. They're baking the same cake they bake for every other  couple. They are specifically denying that same cake to the gay couple. And again, it has fark all to do with your kosher deli example.

Lets say i hunt allot and i have a great picture of myself stabbing a deer in the face... And i take it in to a framing shop owned by a PETA ultravegan... and the guy politely tells me he cant open his business towards something he feels glorifies killing animals... Its against his values...

Is he a bigot?

This also is not an equivalent example. If the business owner refused to frame your facial stabbing pic because you were gay hunting, but agreed to frame the exact same pic for other customers who were straight hunting, then it would be a similar situation. If the bakery owner was offended by wedding cakes in general, and refused to bake wedding cakes for all customers regardless of sexual orientation, then again, it would be a similar situation. The problem comes from agreeing to provide a service for some customers and denying the identical service to others based on their sexual orientation.


Ahhh. I just understood the right-wing fixation on the whole wedding cake thing. It's because your typical conservative lacks the intelligence to distinguish between "public commercial activities" and "private religious activities." When conservatives whine about being "forced at gunpoint to bake a cake for a homo," they think the next step is forcing churches to perform gay wedding ceremonies.
2014-05-04 08:58:31 PM  
1 votes:

mikefinch: namegoeshere: They are in no way contributing to the sacrament of marriage. They aren't marrying the couple. There is no cake in a wedding ceremony. They're baking a cake for the party after the ceremony. They're baking the same cake they bake for every other  couple. They are specifically denying that same cake to the gay couple. And again, it has fark all to do with your kosher deli example.

Lets say i hunt allot and i have a great picture of myself stabbing a deer in the face... And i take it in to a framing shop owned by a PETA ultravegan... and the guy politely tells me he cant open his business towards something he feels glorifies killing animals... Its against his values...

Is he a bigot?


Your picture is not a person. If he refused to frame a picture for you because of who you are then that might be similar. A baker can say he wont bake fruitcake.
2014-05-04 08:52:16 PM  
1 votes:

Bertuccio: namegoeshere: ricbach229: notto: ricbach229: ]

The guy pushed out at Mozilla was fired for donating to a prop 8 support group that had their donor list illegally released.

This is absolutely untrue and you are spreading a lie.  The donor list was legally released by the California Secretary of state as mandated by law.  Quit  spreading lies.

Thanks for being an asshole while calling me a liar over a mistake.  I didn't realize California had a $100 threshold for disclosure of donations to non politicians.

I notice you didn't correct me on the private phone call Stirlings had or the bakers case where they are essentially a kosher deli being forced to serve an unkosher cake.

Please explain this. What makes a kosher deli kosher is not their refusal to serve a particular customer. It is the list of ingredients that they do not use in their food. What ingredient is included in Gay Cake that is forbidden in Christian cake? Because that would be the only way the two situations would be at all the same.

Gay ingredients... Cumin?

Maybe someone else can do better.


GIS for "gay cake" :

www.cakeandart.com/hot

It's really pretty : )
2014-05-04 08:47:16 PM  
1 votes:

jso2897: Let's put this in perspective. Let us suppose that our hypothetical subject is not a homophobic bigot, but a pedophile. Let us further suppose that this person frequently expresses the sentiment that having sex with small children is a great thing, and that people should do it more often. Let us further suppose that he perhaps publishes a blog that also expresses these sentiments. Let us even further supposes that he makes frequent donations to NAMBLA, and is unapologetic about it.
Now - who here wishes to do business with, associate with, work with, or employ this person? What? None of you?
Quelle surprise.
That's because it's UNACCEPTABLE.
Period.
Well, the only thing that is changing is that bigotry regarding innate characteristics is joining that short list of views that are not acceptable among the civilized. Nothing else has changed. There have always been things one could not say without severe consequences. It's just the things themselves that change, over time.
It's too bad some people don't like bigotry being add to the list - but, time goes on, and things change.
Society is not becoming any less tolerant of transgressive views than it ever has - probably a bit more so.
Some people just think it is, because views they are comfortable with are becoming unacceptable.


It really never occurred to me how strongly analogous are the anti-gay bigot and pedophiles. Both the anti-gay bigot and pedophiles hold deviant sexual views that, when expressed, are harmful to the mental health of children. Optimally, both the anti-gay bigot and pedophiles would be denied contact with children of any kind at all.

Thank you for presenting that angle on this. Always exciting to get a fresh perspective.
2014-05-04 08:38:22 PM  
1 votes:

mikefinch: namegoeshere: They are in no way contributing to the sacrament of marriage. They aren't marrying the couple. There is no cake in a wedding ceremony. They're baking a cake for the party after the ceremony. They're baking the same cake they bake for every other  couple. They are specifically denying that same cake to the gay couple. And again, it has fark all to do with your kosher deli example.

Lets say i hunt allot and i have a great picture of myself stabbing a deer in the face... And i take it in to a framing shop owned by a PETA ultravegan... and the guy politely tells me he cant open his business towards something he feels glorifies killing animals... Its against his values...

Is he a bigot?


Yes, but all vegans and PETA members are.
2014-05-04 08:35:25 PM  
1 votes:

namegoeshere: They are in no way contributing to the sacrament of marriage. They aren't marrying the couple. There is no cake in a wedding ceremony. They're baking a cake for the party after the ceremony. They're baking the same cake they bake for every other  couple. They are specifically denying that same cake to the gay couple. And again, it has fark all to do with your kosher deli example.


Lets say i hunt allot and i have a great picture of myself stabbing a deer in the face... And i take it in to a framing shop owned by a PETA ultravegan... and the guy politely tells me he cant open his business towards something he feels glorifies killing animals... Its against his values...

Is he a bigot?
2014-05-04 08:19:55 PM  
1 votes:

ScaryBottles: Miss Alexandra: Well, for every gay that wants to purposely wreck a Christian's livelihood out of hate, there is likely at least one Christian who will be a customer.

You don't go into an occult shop and demand they stock King James Bibles.  Likewise, if a Christian--obeying their conscience--doesn't want to be involved in your so-called "wedding," just find someone with no morals or make it yourself.

I think most people have the sense to know that these gays are just being hateful and spiteful.  "Waaahhh...we can't get these guys to tolerate our perverted lifestyle!  Let's make sure we put them out of business!"

/just disgusted right now

Holy crap I had heard you existed but I thought it was just a myth! You're the Geocentrist housewife!

http://www.genesis-creation-proof.com/geocentricity.html


Holy crap. That site is so farking stupid you could use it as a textbook on the Poe principle.
2014-05-04 07:53:23 PM  
1 votes:

thismomentinblackhistory: Baz744: Here's the thing that gets me about gay opponents. They're all so "up in your face" about their "disapproval" of homosexuality. They have to broadcast it everywhere they go. They put it on their bumper stickers, they wear it on their t-shirts, or they pin it to themselves on a button. They just refuse to keep their lifestyles to themselves.

I don't care if people want to disapprove of homosexuality in the privacy of their own homes. Whatever revolting things they want to do on their own time in their own place is fine.

But if you decide to flaunt your perverted gay hate everywhere you go, don't be surprised when there are consequences. Don't be surprised if employers don't want anything to do with you. Don't be surprised if your normal friends with good morals abandon you. Don't be surprised if even your own family rejects you.

Keep your gay hate in the closet where it belongs.

Beautiful.


Next on the agenda:

Are anti-gay attitudes chosen? Or do they arise from genetics? Because if it's the former, then polite society is really justified in shunning them as perverted deviants.

But if it's the latter, then I think they're more to be pitied than censured. Instead of just casting them to the outer darkness, we should approach them with compassion in the recognition that we may someday find a cure for their mental disorder.
2014-05-04 07:34:29 PM  
1 votes:

phenn: noitsnot: phenn: Showed up on my FB feed:

[i.imgur.com image 450x450]

All the hatred towards people who are different from us is learned behavior. Not in any way born or organic.

Unlearn that shiat and live free ya bunch of farkwits.


Unfortunately, I believe, not true.  Discrimination against groups that are "unlike" one's own is instinctive behavior - except for mating (to promote genetic diversity).  Both are traits that promote the survival of one's own group.

I'll nibble because I think you're being thoughtful and genuine.

We are not unlike. I'm a middle-aged white woman of Irish lineage. Let's say - for a moment - you're a 25-year old black male.

Your DNA and mine are nearly identical. We are both two-legged critters whose survival actually depends on fostering empathy.

Now, I know people who have been raised to believe that particular line of thinking. Shiat's cool and they do well in social situations. I also know people who have been raised to believe that black people, Asian people, gay people, non-christian people (whatever) will be the downfall of humanity as we know it.

For my own experiences, I think everyone I know was born with the first attitude I mention. I think the latter attitude is learned/taught/drilled into the skull. And, hey. I'm prepared to be wrong on this.

Intuitively speaking, it behooves the human species to protect its own. Not dilly-dally on who might be gay, black, short, silly looking and so forth.

That is survival. And - I think - that is what species do.

At least, I hope so.  :-)


http://www.livescience.com/20089-facial-racial-bias-infants.html

Babies cannot read DNA.

Being a decent human being is the learned behaviour, it is really easy (childish) to disregard/avoid/hate the other.

You being not racist/sexist/etc is excellent, but it is because you are a considerate educated adult, not because you were born that way.
2014-05-04 07:19:31 PM  
1 votes:

cameroncrazy1984: Teufelaffe: cameroncrazy1984: The cake has no significance in the wedding. It's part of the reception.

The cake is as much a part of the "sacrament" as the band.

I.E. It's not at all.


Indeed.
2014-05-04 07:12:45 PM  
1 votes:

cameroncrazy1984: ITT, troll vehemently denies trolling, makes sh*t up that happen to be really convenient to his argument, blames others when called out on it.


Again with the troll shiat. Did you see my response to achon? Did you catch my posts in response to cchris_39 by any chance? Why would I be arguing with a conservative like him and then also argue with a liberal like Bob Robert? Could it be because they both have more in common with each other than either of them do with me? Could they both be ridiculously binary and simplistic in their views and not seem to understand nuance and grey areas at all?

What shiat did I make up? Stuff about being queer? Where do you get off calling someone's professed sexual identity a lie (the fact is I've been identifying as bi on this site for as long as I've been here)? Look at you, so invested in me being a straight conservative just so that (I presume) you can continue on with your oversimplified view of life and politics without having to exercise your brain.

And who else did I blame? I came in this thread with a pro-gay stance, but it's not even anti-gay vs pro-gay anymore. It's people who need to align themselves and everyone else with a "side" so they can understand their own politics without having to think for themselves vs people who have no problem thinking for themselves and understand not everything is either/or. Only one of these sides is calling the other a troll. Thinking others are just trolls makes understanding any nuanced conflict a hell of a lot easier, wouldn't you agree?
2014-05-04 07:00:56 PM  
1 votes:
Fafai: Please tell me what debate I lost.

All of them.

encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com
2014-05-04 06:39:13 PM  
1 votes:

Fafai: Even the hetero stuff I do is pretty gay.


Just as I first claimed, pathetic troll. You lost the debate, tripped over your claims, and embarrassed yourself all in the span of a few minutes. Good job.
2014-05-04 06:38:46 PM  
1 votes:

namegoeshere: ricbach229: notto: ricbach229: ]

The guy pushed out at Mozilla was fired for donating to a prop 8 support group that had their donor list illegally released.

This is absolutely untrue and you are spreading a lie.  The donor list was legally released by the California Secretary of state as mandated by law.  Quit  spreading lies.

Thanks for being an asshole while calling me a liar over a mistake.  I didn't realize California had a $100 threshold for disclosure of donations to non politicians.

I notice you didn't correct me on the private phone call Stirlings had or the bakers case where they are essentially a kosher deli being forced to serve an unkosher cake.

Please explain this. What makes a kosher deli kosher is not their refusal to serve a particular customer. It is the list of ingredients that they do not use in their food. What ingredient is included in Gay Cake that is forbidden in Christian cake? Because that would be the only way the two situations would be at all the same.


Kosher isn't just kosher because of the ingredients.  It's also in the prep.  Slaughter a cow one way and it's kosher, do it another and it's just hamburger.

The bakers sell a wedding cake as a contribution to the marriage sacrament.  Something as small as the male/female figure on the top of the cake is a part of it.  Now they're being forced to change the cakes decorations from what they artistically believe appropriate and sell to people who are not even committing the sacrament. In the case in Colorado the baker had made other products without any problem for the couple in question.  It was only when it came to the wedding cake that the baker said no, this is different, can't do it.
2014-05-04 06:28:29 PM  
1 votes:

ricbach229: notto: ricbach229: ]

Thanks for being an asshole while calling me a liar over a mistake.  I didn't realize California had a $100 threshold for disclosure of donations to non politicians.

I notice you didn't correct me on the private phone call Stirlings had or the bakers case where they are essentially a kosher deli being forced to serve an unkosher cake.


I didn't call you a liar.  I said you are spreading a lie.  You would be a liar if you purposely do it in the future.

Your kosher analogy is simply silly.
2014-05-04 06:15:16 PM  
1 votes:

Fafai: Bob Robert: Fafai: Wow. I've been posting for over a year and have made no effort to hide my sexuality here on fark. But you just know everything about others' motivation more than they do, don't you? You're the king of puttign words in others' mouths (often changin their meaning 180 degrees) in order to win simplistic binary arguments. I've watched you do it to numerous people in your two weeks here.


Your trolling is really getting desperate here. If you don't see the problem with supporting a business that wants to take away your basic human rights then there is no hope left for you. Keep white knighting for the conservative trolls, you're doing God's work.

I'm more politically apathetic and care more about getting lunch more than I think one person can make a difference but in Super Binary World that means caring about doing God's work.

/Atheist, but those kind of facts don't matter to you. And I've asked you to cite the in-thread reasons for your assersions about both me and Waldo Pepper but you ignore all that. As dumb as I'm making myself look here (it's what I do), you're looking worse for being so simplistic here.


You just admitted to purposefully making yourself look dumb. Well, maybe it's not on purpose, but you did it to support possibly the dumbest issue ever.
2014-05-04 06:14:54 PM  
1 votes:

Fafai: Fafai: I'm with you. I'm as queer as a $3


Fafai: /and im not fully gay but im enthusiatically less than straight if that makes any difference


This might be where the confusion is coming from. I got no dog in your fight with BR, but I admit thinking that you were adjusting your sexuality to best fit the conversation at the moment. If I'm wrong, please say so, but that's how it came off.
2014-05-04 06:08:41 PM  
1 votes:
ricbach229: ]

The guy pushed out at Mozilla was fired for donating to a prop 8 support group that had their donor list illegally released.

This is absolutely untrue and you are spreading a lie.  The donor list was legally released by the California Secretary of state as mandated by law.  Quit  spreading lies.
2014-05-04 06:05:30 PM  
1 votes:

archichris: Read up on the tactics that the Mafia uses to extort protection money and then read up on the tactics terrorists use to change public opinion or policy.....

Then read up on the tactics the LGBT activists use against Christians.

Its a scary parallel.

You know who else.... nah never mind, you arent reading anymore anyway.


And then read public accommodation laws so you don't sound like an idiot.
2014-05-04 05:50:41 PM  
1 votes:

Waldo Pepper: no reason for name calling.  If you are a person who takes the time to research every company that you do business that is great. I don't have the time nor do i really care what folks do with their money.


I'm pretty sure nobody researches every company with which they do business, especially since you don't have a choice in many cases, but then you knew that.  If you don't really care what folks do with their money, then why'd you post?  Is the thought of someone doing something with their money other than spend it exactly the same way you would troubling?
2014-05-04 05:43:45 PM  
1 votes:

Fafai: I'm with you. I'm as queer as a $3 bill but if they had Chick-Fil-A in my country I wouldnt hesitate to try it out. All this stuff about coprorations being anti gay is common knowledge because it's a big issue right now but do you really think the next corporation is any better? Guaranteed it's just as bad in its own way. people are dicks. People in power (corporate CEOs) especially so.


This is an obvious troll.

"I'm gay and I support Chick Fil A because every company does it!"

Great contribution. You sound very concerned.
2014-05-04 05:40:17 PM  
1 votes:

pjkraatz: acohn: Miss Alexandra: Well, for every gay that wants to purposely wreck a Christian's livelihood out of hate, there is likely at least one Christian who will be a customer.

You don't go into an occult shop and demand they stock King James Bibles.  Likewise, if a Christian--obeying their conscience--doesn't want to be involved in your so-called "wedding," just find someone with no morals or make it yourself.

I think most people have the sense to know that these gays are just being hateful and spiteful.  "Waaahhh...we can't get these guys to tolerate our perverted lifestyle!  Let's make sure we put them out of business!"

/just disgusted right now

[img.fark.net image 469x304]

Serious.  Check the profile.


My initial reaction was "nice performance art," but no. This one appears to be the unreal real deal.
2014-05-04 05:39:25 PM  
1 votes:
All you have to do is NOT think you should interfere in the lives of your customers. That is what business-people have been doing for thousands of years.
2014-05-04 05:28:58 PM  
1 votes:
wait for it, waaaiiiit for it.....
2014-05-04 05:14:25 PM  
1 votes:

Miss Alexandra: Well, for every gay that wants to purposely wreck a Christian's livelihood out of hate, there is likely at least one Christian who will be a customer.

You don't go into an occult shop and demand they stock King James Bibles.  Likewise, if a Christian--obeying their conscience--doesn't want to be involved in your so-called "wedding," just find someone with no morals or make it yourself.

I think most people have the sense to know that these gays are just being hateful and spiteful.  "Waaahhh...we can't get these guys to tolerate our perverted lifestyle!  Let's make sure we put them out of business!"

/just disgusted right now


You sound fat.
2014-05-04 05:12:56 PM  
1 votes:
So what about an atheist that hates gay people and doesn't accept their life style?  Seems to me that these gay boogeymen could use a lesson from Jesus himself.

s-media-cache-ec0.pinimg.com
For those who despise bible quotes, try this one...
www.catholicireland.net
2014-05-04 05:10:44 PM  
1 votes:

cherryl taggart: I just want some help getting my lily white kids to understand they simply cannot utter some words.


Well first off. Stop treating your farking kids like idiots.

Of COURSE they can utter them. Just not when you are around.

"Son, If you say that shiat in public and you get your ass kicked, I'm telling the police to let you cool off in the drunk tank until next monday morning."

/You give them the choice of their action, and tell them the repercussions of making the "wrong" choice.
2014-05-04 05:08:52 PM  
1 votes:

Miss Alexandra: Well, for every gay that wants to purposely wreck a Christian's livelihood out of hate, there is likely at least one Christian who will be a customer.

You don't go into an occult shop and demand they stock King James Bibles.  Likewise, if a Christian--obeying their conscience--doesn't want to be involved in your so-called "wedding," just find someone with no morals or make it yourself.

I think most people have the sense to know that these gays are just being hateful and spiteful.  "Waaahhh...we can't get these guys to tolerate our perverted lifestyle!  Let's make sure we put them out of business!"

/just disgusted right now


This is the best post that will ever be.

Sigh, ok. It's not about tolerating lifestyles, it's about having the right to participate in public commerce.

Also how does baking a cake for a gay wedding equate into having no morals? I'd love an answer to this question.
2014-05-04 04:56:36 PM  
1 votes:
Christianity, the so-called "religion of peace and compassion" strikes again.
2014-05-04 04:53:38 PM  
1 votes:

cchris_39: Eh, let's sit back and see how many rationalize treating the pharmacist differently.


Are you trying to say that Democrats wouldn't care if a pharmacists refuses to issue morning after pills? Or a Jewish deli refuses to serve non kosher sandwiches? I have yet to find one conservative troll and their numerous alts actually making sense today. This is single A ball trolling.
2014-05-04 04:42:31 PM  
1 votes:

Baz744: Here's the thing that gets me about gay opponents. They're all so "up in your face" about their "disapproval" of homosexuality. They have to broadcast it everywhere they go. They put it on their bumper stickers, they wear it on their t-shirts, or they pin it to themselves on a button. They just refuse to keep their lifestyles to themselves.

I don't care if people want to disapprove of homosexuality in the privacy of their own homes. Whatever revolting things they want to do on their own time in their own place is fine.

But if you decide to flaunt your perverted gay hate everywhere you go, don't be surprised when there are consequences. Don't be surprised if employers don't want anything to do with you. Don't be surprised if your normal friends with good morals abandon you. Don't be surprised if even your own family rejects you.

Keep your gay hate in the closet where it belongs.


+2 - brilliant!
2014-05-04 04:28:22 PM  
1 votes:

cchris_39: Now substitute kosher deli and ham sandwiches with pharmacy and morning after pills.

Even for you this is pathetic.....
2014-05-04 04:16:18 PM  
1 votes:

cchris_39: Should kosher deli's be forced to sell me a ham sandwich?


If ham sandwiches are on the menu, yes.

cchris_39: Should the black owned dry cleaners be forced to launder my hood and robe?


Yes, as cleaning clothes is what they do.
2014-05-04 04:11:01 PM  
1 votes:

RabidRythmDivas: phenn: Showed up on my FB feed:

[i.imgur.com image 450x450]

All the hatred towards people who are different from us is learned behavior. Not in any way born or organic.

Unlearn that shiat and live free ya bunch of farkwits.

I beg to differ.

Racism IS INBORN BEHAVIOR!  Like most every other category, racism is not an "either/or" dichotomy.  It's a continuum.  In reality, everyone is racist to some degree.

You have to UN LEARN racism.  Natural selection dictates that you be wary of creatures that look different from you.  It's a survival mechanism.  People you recognize are safe.  The more different they look than your own tribe, the more wary you should be.  That leads to racism.

People have to learn that we are all the same species sharing the same big ball.  And many children DO learn this at a young age (should be " . . .  ALL children . . .").

We are all one tribe.


I just want some help getting my lily white kids to understand they simply cannot utter some words.  I don't care that every rapper sings it right out loud, you can't call women sluts, biatches, hoes, coonts, and you can't call other people names they use in their conversations.  I know it's a form of teenage rebellion (you can't make me listen to your music, Mom), but when even my co-workers are complaining about getting their kids (who look a lot closer to most rappers) to not use the foul abusive language, it's time to find some new words or music or something.  I'll keep my beliefs to myself and the entertainment industry can quit glorifying disrespect for others through denigration, and calling it art.
2014-05-04 04:03:34 PM  
1 votes:

cchris_39: Should kosher deli's be forced to sell me a ham sandwich?

Should the black owned dry cleaners be forced to launder my hood and robe?


Should you post online?
2014-05-04 04:00:53 PM  
1 votes:

Waldo Pepper: ScaryBottles: Waldo Pepper: Bob Robert: Waldo Pepper: A Christian should be known by their actions especially in the business world. Taking care of all customers is the mark of a good Christian business.

What happen to judging a business of the quality and fairness of their product/service and not their beliefs.

When Christians decided they were going to preach morality onto the rest of society and vote for discriminating laws.

it's not just Christians.  Those who won't eat at Chick-fil-a because of the owners beliefs and yet by all accounts the stores treat their employees well and they provide excellent service to their customers. Better than average for their industry.

I'm sure there other examples besides Chick-fil-a but it is the easiest to use.

maybe i'm too naive on this issue.  Do you have the product/service i want or need and will you provide it a a fair price. Yes.good I'll buy, no okay I'll keep looking.
You don't sound naive, you sound like an apologist.

how does that make me an apologist?


I think I misunderstood what you were trying to say.
2014-05-04 03:57:39 PM  
1 votes:
Chill out y'all and have some beer.

*pops a beer for Scary Bottles*
2014-05-04 03:53:52 PM  
1 votes:

Waldo Pepper: A Christian should be known by their actions especially in the business world. Taking care of all customers is the mark of a good Christian business.

What happen to judging a business of the quality and fairness of their product/service and not their beliefs.


:)

I usually don't dig you dude but that was very classy and well said indeed. I sincerely appreciate that.

*pops an ice cold beer for Waldo Pepper*
2014-05-04 03:36:48 PM  
1 votes:
1. Limit your customer base by being an asshat and discriminating against potential customers because you believe your religious book tells you to
2. Realize that other potential customers don't like it when you discriminate, even if you're not discriminating against them, and stay away from your business


3. Profit????

You want the free market? There it is. In a free market people get to choose where to spend their money, and if you're an asshat they won't spend their money on what you have to sell. Welcome to the b*tchsmacking invisible hand.
2014-05-04 03:22:06 PM  
1 votes:

Baz744: Here's the thing that gets me about gay opponents. They're all so "up in your face" about their "disapproval" of homosexuality. They have to broadcast it everywhere they go. They put it on their bumper stickers, they wear it on their t-shirts, or they pin it to themselves on a button. They just refuse to keep their lifestyles to themselves.

I don't care if people want to disapprove of homosexuality in the privacy of their own homes. Whatever revolting things they want to do on their own time in their own place is fine.

But if you decide to flaunt your perverted gay hate everywhere you go, don't be surprised when there are consequences. Don't be surprised if employers don't want anything to do with you. Don't be surprised if your normal friends with good morals abandon you. Don't be surprised if even your own family rejects you.

Keep your gay hate in the closet where it belongs.


Beautiful.
2014-05-04 03:15:36 PM  
1 votes:

Forty-Two: ScaryBottles: Por que tan serioso: Thats it right there. Activists. Someone up thread was saying something bla bla bla "fair amount of the population" bla bla bla. LGBT are not even close. Tiny minority. But the way people talk its seems like 50/50 at this point.

Because the only people who care about marriage equality are LGBTs. See Einstein this is why everyone thinks you guys are bigoted pieces of shiat. But really really terrible try.

Exactly. I'm a heterosexual woman. I'm married to a heterosexual man. We have a baby, and we plan to make another. Hey, we're even white (Dutch and Irish genes make for very pale babies).  And you know what? I support marriage equality. I voted against Prop 8, and I have no plans to eat at Chik-Fil-A.

Yes, I have gay friends (including two who just got married, with Latrice Royale officiating!), but it shouldn't even matterthat it affects people close to me. I support homosexual marriage because I'm human and believe in equality under the law.

So, no. It's not a tiny minority of activists who these businesses are alienating. It's people like me, as well.


Thats awesome I personally would have tried to get Sharon Needles. Season 4 FTW!

Straight male living in sin/
2014-05-04 03:06:17 PM  
1 votes:
A Christian should be known by their actions especially in the business world. Taking care of all customers is the mark of a good Christian business.

What happen to judging a business of the quality and fairness of their product/service and not their beliefs.
2014-05-04 03:05:58 PM  
1 votes:
Religion has been practicing repression for centuries now...a little turnabout seems fair.
2014-05-04 02:45:23 PM  
1 votes:

The Lone Gunman: So, let me get this straight...We don't want to serve gay people, so gay people are taking their business elsewhere and that's not fair.


Exactly. The dirty turd buglars are supposed to sit right there and be bullied and yelled at, because Jesus.
2014-05-04 02:41:54 PM  
1 votes:
They completely missed bankers.
Leviticus 25:37 - Thou shalt not give him thy money upon usury, nor lend him thy victuals for increase.
2014-05-04 02:36:43 PM  
1 votes:
Have they tried not being Christian? It's not like they were born that way, what with their original sin and all.
2014-05-04 02:36:11 PM  
1 votes:
They still have options:
Construction worker
Police officer
Biker
Indian chief

AW, DAMN IT!
2014-05-04 02:32:21 PM  
1 votes:

hubiestubert: It's not limiting the career options of Christians, but limiting the career options for asshats.

You want to be a bigot and an asshat, who limits their market by excluding a fair amount of the population, yeah, you're looking at cutting your own damn throat, and it's self selecting your own career demise. That's freedom, baby.


THIS!
2014-05-04 02:30:52 PM  
1 votes:
Oh good. The plan is working.

/eleventy *smirk*
2014-05-04 02:24:20 PM  
1 votes:

The Lone Gunman: So, let me get this straight...We don't want to serve gay people, so gay people are taking their business elsewhere and that's not fair.

That can't be right.  Seriously, it can't be.


That sounds about right.  What would be fair would be if the gay people would just stop being gay so that they can spend their money there.  That way everyone is happy.

I think.  It's hard to get into that mindset.
2014-05-04 02:21:41 PM  
1 votes:

archichris: Read up on the tactics that the Mafia uses to extort protection money and then read up on the tactics terrorists use to change public opinion or policy.....

Then read up on the tactics the LGBT activists use against Christians.

Its a scary parallel.

You know who else.... nah never mind, you arent reading anymore anyway.


Thats it right there. Activists. Someone up thread was saying something bla bla bla "fair amount of the population" bla bla bla. LGBT are not even close. Tiny minority. But the way people talk its seems like 50/50 at this point.
2014-05-04 02:16:24 PM  
1 votes:

gja: Apos: [disjointedthinking.jeffhughes.ca image 350x262]

/Oblig

Just an FYI, to be fair and full disclosure that graphic is only correct for the USA, not the world.



*nodding* That goes without saying.
2014-05-04 02:10:09 PM  
1 votes:

jake_lex: I love how right-wingers are all about "GUBBMIT SHOULD STAY OUT OF THE FREE MARKET" until the free market tells someone it has a problem with them being a bigot.


No, no, that's just the patriarchal government pushing the gay agenda.  The free market has no problem with bigotry, because the people have no problem with bigotry.

Real Americans know this.
gja [TotalFark]
2014-05-04 02:09:05 PM  
1 votes:

Apos: [disjointedthinking.jeffhughes.ca image 350x262]

/Oblig


Just an FYI, to be fair and full disclosure that graphic is only correct for the USA, not the world.
2014-05-04 02:06:11 PM  
1 votes:
Thanks to Johnny Weir, they could soon be adding milliners to that list.
2014-05-04 02:03:56 PM  
1 votes:
bloggingblue.com
/The Gayroller is coming for you.
2014-05-04 02:03:06 PM  
1 votes:
Bigots should go back to where they came from.
2014-05-04 02:02:59 PM  
1 votes:

archichris: Read up on the tactics that the Mafia uses to extort protection money and then read up on the tactics terrorists use to change public opinion or policy.....

Then read up on the tactics the LGBT activists use against Christians.

Its a scary parallel.

You know who else.... nah never mind, you arent reading anymore anyway.

p.gr-assets.com
2014-05-04 01:59:19 PM  
1 votes:
Biology is right out.
2014-05-04 01:52:12 PM  
1 votes:
I wish I had a gay lifestyle, unfortunately my lifestyle is depressing.
2014-05-04 12:15:29 PM  
1 votes:

FirstNationalBastard: gilgigamesh: Tell me about it. I can't even hang the "NO COLOREDS OR JEWS" sign God told me to put up without catching all kinds of hell.

I'm all persecuted. Just like Jesus.

You could put up a NO COLORED JEWS sign, but that would be the exact day Sammy Davis, Jr. Wanted to come in Your establishment.


No freaking way man. Colored Jewish zombies are definitely banned. Just like Jesus.
 
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