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(The Daily Beast)   Number of careers available to Christians "is quickly shrinking as homosexuals seek opportunities to wreck the personal business and career of any Christian who declines to support the gay lifestyle." This is bad news for florists   (thedailybeast.com) divider line 336
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2014-05-04 03:27:32 PM  
I dont care if you are christian or gay just go to work and do your damn job. And no I dont want to know about your personal life. So far this year at work I've been given 3 cards by christians to go to their church. None of the gay people have tried to convert me. Guess I dont dress that well.
 
2014-05-04 03:32:35 PM  
It's very true. As a raging homosexual, I've personally destroyed several Christian businesses and I've seen to it that hundreds of Christians have lost their jobs. The problem isn't so much that we hate Christians, which we do, trust me, it's just that for every Christian business we shut down, our penis gets an inch bigger. And for every Christian we get fired, another pleasure nerve develops in our anal sphincter. You really can't compete with biology, so I'd recommend you just try to relax, and I promise I'll be gentle.
 
2014-05-04 03:32:46 PM  
Por que tan serioso:Thats it right there. Activists. Someone up thread was saying something bla bla bla "fair amount of the population" bla bla bla. LGBT are not even close. Tiny minority. But the way people talk its seems like 50/50 at this point.

It IS about 50/50 in the USA now, if you're talking about poll results.  The number of ACTIVISTS is less than 50% of people eligible to vote in the USA, of course.  But that's a completely different thing.

Actually it looks like approval of same-sex marriage is already past 50%.  In some sense, the battle is already over. At most those of you opposed to gay marriage are merely delaying the inevitable at this point.
 
2014-05-04 03:36:48 PM  
1. Limit your customer base by being an asshat and discriminating against potential customers because you believe your religious book tells you to
2. Realize that other potential customers don't like it when you discriminate, even if you're not discriminating against them, and stay away from your business


3. Profit????

You want the free market? There it is. In a free market people get to choose where to spend their money, and if you're an asshat they won't spend their money on what you have to sell. Welcome to the b*tchsmacking invisible hand.
 
2014-05-04 03:38:29 PM  

phenn: Showed up on my FB feed:

[i.imgur.com image 450x450]

All the hatred towards people who are different from us is learned behavior. Not in any way born or organic.

Unlearn that shiat and live free ya bunch of farkwits.



Unfortunately, I believe, not true.  Discrimination against groups that are "unlike" one's own is instinctive behavior - except for mating (to promote genetic diversity).  Both are traits that promote the survival of one's own group.
 
2014-05-04 03:41:13 PM  
Should kosher deli's be forced to sell me a ham sandwich?

Should the black owned dry cleaners be forced to launder my hood and robe?
 
2014-05-04 03:43:17 PM  

DrBenway: archichris: Read up on the tactics that the Mafia uses to extort protection money and then read up on the tactics terrorists use to change public opinion or policy.....

Then read up on the tactics the LGBT activists use against Christians.

Its a scary parallel.

You know who else.... nah never mind, you arent reading anymore anyway.

When you go immediately to "GAY MAFIA!!!" territory, no, I reckon not.


Everyone knows it's not the Gay Mafia you have to worry about, anyway.  It's the Gay Bandidos (nsfw) who destroy American families.
 
2014-05-04 03:43:56 PM  
it's getting hard to be a bigot.
 
2014-05-04 03:46:21 PM  

archichris: Read up on the tactics that the Mafia uses to extort protection money and then read up on the tactics terrorists use to change public opinion or policy.....

Then read up on the tactics the LGBT activists use against Christians.

Its a scary parallel.

You know who else.... nah never mind, you arent reading anymore anyway.


SAUL ALINSKY!
 
2014-05-04 03:47:18 PM  

Waldo Pepper: Bob Robert: Waldo Pepper: A Christian should be known by their actions especially in the business world. Taking care of all customers is the mark of a good Christian business.

What happen to judging a business of the quality and fairness of their product/service and not their beliefs.

When Christians decided they were going to preach morality onto the rest of society and vote for discriminating laws.

it's not just Christians.  Those who won't eat at Chick-fil-a because of the owners beliefs and yet by all accounts the stores treat their employees well and they provide excellent service to their customers. Better than average for their industry.

I'm sure there other examples besides Chick-fil-a but it is the easiest to use.

maybe i'm too naive on this issue.  Do you have the product/service i want or need and will you provide it a a fair price. Yes.good I'll buy, no okay I'll keep looking.

You don't sound naive, you sound like an apologist.
 
2014-05-04 03:48:03 PM  
A lot of Christians used to support racism and segregation based off Biblical beliefs too.  (Curse of Ham and all that.)  Same argument -- "by not letting us be racist you're going to wipe us out."

In other words:  they'll get over it, and then pretend it never happened.
 
2014-05-04 03:48:47 PM  
DreamyAltarBoy:
Because sometimes the "invisible hand" of the free market has to slap a biatch.

Or in this case, give it a reach-around.
 
2014-05-04 03:48:58 PM  

RottenEggs: TheHighlandHowler: Meh.  If you want to limit yourself to ChickFillet or HobbyLobby, be my guest.  (Sorry about the spelling-never been to either.)

You are missing out : (


I have to admit that Chick-Fil-A's food is pretty damn tasty, at least as far as fast food goes.  Heck, it's just tasty, period.  And their lemonade is awesome.

There's one pretty close to where I live and it's been really tempting to go inside and get some food.  I haven't had any in quite a while now.
 
2014-05-04 03:51:05 PM  
groppet: I dont care if you are christian or gay just go to work and do your damn job. And no I dont want to know about your personal life. .

Yuuup. I've had dozens of gay coworkers, and dozens more straight and/or christian. All I ever gave a shiat about was if someone could do their job without dying or annoying me.
 
2014-05-04 03:52:49 PM  
Basic problem for these guys is that they see enthusiasm for xity slipping away, the influence of xity slipping away, and they can't understand why everyone else doesn't share their worldview.

Because they are infallibly correct, they look for external explanations - someone to blame - rather than look at all the reasons (thinking) people find xity unattractive.
 
2014-05-04 03:53:52 PM  

Waldo Pepper: A Christian should be known by their actions especially in the business world. Taking care of all customers is the mark of a good Christian business.

What happen to judging a business of the quality and fairness of their product/service and not their beliefs.


:)

I usually don't dig you dude but that was very classy and well said indeed. I sincerely appreciate that.

*pops an ice cold beer for Waldo Pepper*
 
2014-05-04 03:54:01 PM  
uhhm, whut?
 
2014-05-04 03:57:39 PM  
Chill out y'all and have some beer.

*pops a beer for Scary Bottles*
 
2014-05-04 04:00:53 PM  

Waldo Pepper: ScaryBottles: Waldo Pepper: Bob Robert: Waldo Pepper: A Christian should be known by their actions especially in the business world. Taking care of all customers is the mark of a good Christian business.

What happen to judging a business of the quality and fairness of their product/service and not their beliefs.

When Christians decided they were going to preach morality onto the rest of society and vote for discriminating laws.

it's not just Christians.  Those who won't eat at Chick-fil-a because of the owners beliefs and yet by all accounts the stores treat their employees well and they provide excellent service to their customers. Better than average for their industry.

I'm sure there other examples besides Chick-fil-a but it is the easiest to use.

maybe i'm too naive on this issue.  Do you have the product/service i want or need and will you provide it a a fair price. Yes.good I'll buy, no okay I'll keep looking.
You don't sound naive, you sound like an apologist.

how does that make me an apologist?


I think I misunderstood what you were trying to say.
 
2014-05-04 04:01:14 PM  

Waldo Pepper: Bob Robert: Waldo Pepper: A Christian should be known by their actions especially in the business world. Taking care of all customers is the mark of a good Christian business.

What happen to judging a business of the quality and fairness of their product/service and not their beliefs.

When Christians decided they were going to preach morality onto the rest of society and vote for discriminating laws.

it's not just Christians.  Those who won't eat at Chick-fil-a because of the owners beliefs and yet by all accounts the stores treat their employees well and they provide excellent service to their customers. Better than average for their industry. 

I'm sure there other examples besides Chick-fil-a but it is the easiest to use. 

maybe i'm too naive on this issue.  Do you have the product/service i want or need and will you provide it a a fair price. Yes.good I'll buy, no okay I'll keep looking.


There's a screaming difference here. As far as I know Chick-fil-a doesn't refuse service to people based on sexual orientation. I might eat there if it were convenient. I don't approve of the owner's stance on same sex marriage, but he has a right to his opinion. When you refuse service based on sexual orientation, or because you disapprove of same sex marriage, you have gone from being one bigot amoung many and crossed the line into active persecution.
 
2014-05-04 04:02:39 PM  
Okay: I can't bake your cake because I have a conflict with the date

Not okay: I could bake your cake, but I am not going to because what you are doing is an abomination in the the eyes of the Lord.

Note that the first option does not state what type of conflict or any specifics. The conflict with the date may be, "Your getting married conflicts with my morals." But, it is polite. What these Christians want is the ability to insult you and lecture you about your sex life hiding behind their "religion."
 
2014-05-04 04:03:34 PM  

cchris_39: Should kosher deli's be forced to sell me a ham sandwich?

Should the black owned dry cleaners be forced to launder my hood and robe?


Should you post online?
 
2014-05-04 04:04:13 PM  

b0rg9: JoshTheTech: I wish I had a gay lifestyle, unfortunately my lifestyle is depressing.

You could, however, have a gay agenda...

[pbs.twimg.com image 432x574]


Fark me running, really? That is so agenda-like, I mean really, WTF? Dang.

Wa-wa-waaaa.
 
2014-05-04 04:06:55 PM  

Waldo Pepper: Bob Robert: Waldo Pepper: A Christian should be known by their actions especially in the business world. Taking care of all customers is the mark of a good Christian business.

What happen to judging a business of the quality and fairness of their product/service and not their beliefs.

When Christians decided they were going to preach morality onto the rest of society and vote for discriminating laws.

it's not just Christians.  Those who won't eat at Chick-fil-a because of the owners beliefs and yet by all accounts the stores treat their employees well and they provide excellent service to their customers. Better than average for their industry.

I'm sure there other examples besides Chick-fil-a but it is the easiest to use.

maybe i'm too naive on this issue.


Well, you're either ignorant or dishonest.  That much is certain.  But I'm willing to go with ignorant.

The issue with Chick-Fil-A, as has been explained in EVERY SINGLE fark thread where the name was mentioned, is that it went beyond beliefs and even beyond public statements.  Chik-Fil-A was (and so far as I know, still us) taking the profits they got from selling their food and using it (via an clearinghouse called "the WinShape Foundation") to fund a number of organizations who oppress gays, even to the point of supporting an organization in Uganda that was attempting to instate the death penalty for homosexuality.

There are other issues as well, but that's the one most people focus on.

And yes, they've backed down some since 2012.  They're not really actively trying to oppress gay people they way they once were.  But it's still false to claim that it's purely about someone's beliefs.
 
2014-05-04 04:07:47 PM  
That 'dig' there at the end should be another 'dick'.
 
2014-05-04 04:09:34 PM  

cchris_39: Should kosher deli's be forced to sell me a ham sandwich?


If they're selling ham sandwiches to other people, then yes, they should.  Is that the hypothetical situation you were thinking of?
 
2014-05-04 04:11:01 PM  

RabidRythmDivas: phenn: Showed up on my FB feed:

[i.imgur.com image 450x450]

All the hatred towards people who are different from us is learned behavior. Not in any way born or organic.

Unlearn that shiat and live free ya bunch of farkwits.

I beg to differ.

Racism IS INBORN BEHAVIOR!  Like most every other category, racism is not an "either/or" dichotomy.  It's a continuum.  In reality, everyone is racist to some degree.

You have to UN LEARN racism.  Natural selection dictates that you be wary of creatures that look different from you.  It's a survival mechanism.  People you recognize are safe.  The more different they look than your own tribe, the more wary you should be.  That leads to racism.

People have to learn that we are all the same species sharing the same big ball.  And many children DO learn this at a young age (should be " . . .  ALL children . . .").

We are all one tribe.


I just want some help getting my lily white kids to understand they simply cannot utter some words.  I don't care that every rapper sings it right out loud, you can't call women sluts, biatches, hoes, coonts, and you can't call other people names they use in their conversations.  I know it's a form of teenage rebellion (you can't make me listen to your music, Mom), but when even my co-workers are complaining about getting their kids (who look a lot closer to most rappers) to not use the foul abusive language, it's time to find some new words or music or something.  I'll keep my beliefs to myself and the entertainment industry can quit glorifying disrespect for others through denigration, and calling it art.
 
2014-05-04 04:15:16 PM  

thismomentinblackhistory: cchris_39: Should kosher deli's be forced to sell me a ham sandwich?

Should the black owned dry cleaners be forced to launder my hood and robe?

Should you post online?


Just looking for other people's opinions. For the record, I don't have a hood but got the idea from this guy:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=M8t04muNIdw
 
2014-05-04 04:16:11 PM  

JoieD'Zen: Mr. Coffee Nerves: I'm much more afraid of getting farked in the ass by a business with signs festooned by Jesus fish than I am by one with signs awash in rainbows.

Guaranf*cknteed, if they bring their disabilities, charity or religion into a business transaction, you will get screwed, or at minimum, horribly manipulated.


I see a Jesus fish, I start counting: the numbers. They're usually prosperity gospel heretics, and they're going to fark anyone who they think isn't one of the blessed.
 
2014-05-04 04:16:18 PM  

cchris_39: Should kosher deli's be forced to sell me a ham sandwich?


If ham sandwiches are on the menu, yes.

cchris_39: Should the black owned dry cleaners be forced to launder my hood and robe?


Yes, as cleaning clothes is what they do.
 
2014-05-04 04:18:54 PM  

ciberido: cchris_39: Should kosher deli's be forced to sell me a ham sandwich?

If they're selling ham sandwiches to other people, then yes, they should.  Is that the hypothetical situation you were thinking of?


I would agree that he should sell whatever he stocks to all comers but should not have to keep ham sandwiches in inventory just because a lot of people love ham sandwiches.
 
2014-05-04 04:19:10 PM  

cchris_39: thismomentinblackhistory: cchris_39: Should kosher deli's be forced to sell me a ham sandwich?

Should the black owned dry cleaners be forced to launder my hood and robe?

Should you post online?

Just looking for other people's opinions. For the record, I don't have a hood but got the idea from this guy:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=M8t04muNIdw


Well to be fair a Democrat is giving them away in WI
 
2014-05-04 04:20:02 PM  

cherryl taggart: I just want some help getting my lily white kids to understand they simply cannot utter some words.  I don't care that every rapper sings it right out loud, you can't call women sluts, biatches, hoes, coonts, and you can't call other people names they use in their conversations.  I know it's a form of teenage rebellion (you can't make me listen to your music, Mom),


I thought it was more about being edgy and daring and non-conformist, but yeah.  The more you ask them to not use the words, the more self-righteous they get about defying your wishes.  It's extremely frustrating, especially when they play the "you're too old to understand how the world works anymore" card --- which is pretty much every time you ask them to stop doing something they don't want to stop doing.
 
2014-05-04 04:21:54 PM  
Dick Eating Dick Bag of Dick Eaters

Would make a great if unwieldy name for a band composed of Richard Nixon lookalikes.
 
2014-05-04 04:22:26 PM  
Now substitute kosher deli and ham sandwiches with pharmacy and morning after pills.
 
2014-05-04 04:22:52 PM  

cchris_39: ciberido: cchris_39: Should kosher deli's be forced to sell me a ham sandwich?

If they're selling ham sandwiches to other people, then yes, they should.  Is that the hypothetical situation you were thinking of?

I would agree that he should sell whatever he stocks to all comers but should not have to keep ham sandwiches in inventory just because a lot of people love ham sandwiches.


Obviously. what is your point here? Do you think a gay wedding cake is a completely different thing from a hetero wedding cake? It's the same ingredients and making cakes is their business.
 
2014-05-04 04:23:23 PM  

cherryl taggart: I just want some help getting my lily white kids to understand they simply cannot utter some words.


Words are tools, and just like a hammer, screwdriver, etc, some tools are simply not appropriate for certain situations.  You even have highly specialized tools that are only appropriately used by specific people.

That's pretty much how I've explained it to my kid and she seemed to get it....but she won't be a teenager for another couple years, so we'll see.
 
2014-05-04 04:26:58 PM  

cchris_39: Should kosher deli's be forced to sell me a ham sandwich?

Of course not. Just as my dentist is not obligated to give me a pedicure, as much as I'd like one. It's not a service offered at that business.

Should the black owned dry cleaners be forced to launder my hood and robe? If the customer base of the black owned dry cleaners is such that refusing to launder the robe will create a backlash that will cause the business to suffer, then they should either launder the robe or accept the loss of business. They should not, however, refuse to launder the robe and then whine about the fact that their actions offended their customer base and now their business is suffering.
 
2014-05-04 04:28:22 PM  

cchris_39: Now substitute kosher deli and ham sandwiches with pharmacy and morning after pills.

Even for you this is pathetic.....
 
2014-05-04 04:29:05 PM  

Waldo Pepper: Bob Robert: Waldo Pepper: A Christian should be known by their actions especially in the business world. Taking care of all customers is the mark of a good Christian business.

What happen to judging a business of the quality and fairness of their product/service and not their beliefs.

When Christians decided they were going to preach morality onto the rest of society and vote for discriminating laws.

it's not just Christians.  Those who won't eat at Chick-fil-a because of the owners beliefs and yet by all accounts the stores treat their NON-GAY employees well and they provide excellent service to their customers. Better than average for their industry.
I'm sure there other examples besides Chick-fil-a but it is the easiest to use.
maybe i'm too naive on this issue.  Do you have the product/service i want or need and will you provide it a a fair price. Yes.good I'll buy, no okay I'll keep looking.

 
2014-05-04 04:29:47 PM  

cchris_39: Now substitute kosher deli and ham sandwiches with pharmacy and morning after pills.


I don't know how this is actually classified in reality but imo if I were in charge yes pharmacies should have to sell morning after pills because pharmacies are more like an essential service and yes they should stock all kinds of medications because medical places like pharmacies are the only places you can get pills. You can buy ham and meat elsewhere and make your own sandwiches so your analogy doesnt apply.
 
2014-05-04 04:31:47 PM  
ham and bread. I LOST A SAI!
 
2014-05-04 04:33:10 PM  

Waldo Pepper: it's not just Christians. Those who won't eat at Chick-fil-a because of the owners beliefs and yet by all accounts the stores treat their employees well and they provide excellent service to their customers. Better than average for their industry.


Yes, Chick-fil-a is very good to those employees and customers who they don't believe were born sub-human.
 
2014-05-04 04:35:37 PM  
Por que tan serioso:Thats it right there. Activists. Someone up thread was saying something bla bla bla "fair amount of the population" bla bla bla. LGBT are not even close. Tiny minority. But the way people talk its seems like 50/50 at this point.

(A) It's about 10% of any population.
(B) It doesn't farking matter if it's 1% of a population.  In the U.S., certain rights are guaranteed and not subject to popular or religious opinion. Some of those rights are explicit, some are implied (like the right of privacy), and some are societally determined, like the right to marry.
 
2014-05-04 04:42:31 PM  

Baz744: Here's the thing that gets me about gay opponents. They're all so "up in your face" about their "disapproval" of homosexuality. They have to broadcast it everywhere they go. They put it on their bumper stickers, they wear it on their t-shirts, or they pin it to themselves on a button. They just refuse to keep their lifestyles to themselves.

I don't care if people want to disapprove of homosexuality in the privacy of their own homes. Whatever revolting things they want to do on their own time in their own place is fine.

But if you decide to flaunt your perverted gay hate everywhere you go, don't be surprised when there are consequences. Don't be surprised if employers don't want anything to do with you. Don't be surprised if your normal friends with good morals abandon you. Don't be surprised if even your own family rejects you.

Keep your gay hate in the closet where it belongs.


+2 - brilliant!
 
2014-05-04 04:43:34 PM  

Waldo Pepper: Bob Robert: Waldo Pepper: A Christian should be known by their actions especially in the business world. Taking care of all customers is the mark of a good Christian business.

What happen to judging a business of the quality and fairness of their product/service and not their beliefs.

When Christians decided they were going to preach morality onto the rest of society and vote for discriminating laws.

it's not just Christians.  Those who won't eat at Chick-fil-a because of the owners beliefs and yet by all accounts the stores treat their employees well and they provide excellent service to their customers. Better than average for their industry. 

I'm sure there other examples besides Chick-fil-a but it is the easiest to use. 

maybe i'm too naive on this issue.  Do you have the product/service i want or need and will you provide it a a fair price. Yes.good I'll buy, no okay I'll keep looking.


Making a decision not to give money to a business that donates to discrimination causes is just as bad as voting in legislation that restricts someones rights? You are not naive, you are just dumb.
 
2014-05-04 04:44:23 PM  

gilgigamesh: FirstNationalBastard: gilgigamesh: Tell me about it. I can't even hang the "NO COLOREDS OR JEWS" sign God told me to put up without catching all kinds of hell.

I'm all persecuted. Just like Jesus.

You could put up a NO COLORED JEWS sign, but that would be the exact day Sammy Davis, Jr. Wanted to come in Your establishment.

No freaking way man. Colored Jewish zombies are definitely banned. Just like Jesus.


I needed that laugh. Thanks!
 
2014-05-04 04:45:33 PM  

ScaryBottles: cchris_39: Now substitute kosher deli and ham sandwiches with pharmacy and morning after pills.
Even for you this is pathetic.....


Eh, let's sit back and see how many rationalize treating the pharmacist differently.
 
2014-05-04 04:47:59 PM  

acohn: Por que tan serioso:Thats it right there. Activists. Someone up thread was saying something bla bla bla "fair amount of the population" bla bla bla. LGBT are not even close. Tiny minority. But the way people talk its seems like 50/50 at this point.

(A) It's about 10% of any population.
(B) It doesn't farking matter if it's 1% of a population.  In the U.S., certain rights are guaranteed and not subject to popular or religious opinion. Some of those rights are explicit, some are implied (like the right of privacy), and some are societally determined, like the right to marry.


I wish instead of "someone upthread" there was a quote to the post so I could see the context. If in whatever context it was used you could substitute being an ally for actually being gay then 50% is still pretty dismal.

Its like those guys who said the straight peopel are just caving to pressure and acting like theyre tolerant because gay rights are 'in right now' or whatever nonsense. It's not gay vs straight. It's respectful human beings inclusive of everyone vs dickwads.
 
2014-05-04 04:48:52 PM  

cchris_39: ciberido: cchris_39: Should kosher deli's be forced to sell me a ham sandwich?

If they're selling ham sandwiches to other people, then yes, they should.  Is that the hypothetical situation you were thinking of?

I would agree that he should sell whatever he stocks to all comers but should not have to keep ham sandwiches in inventory just because a lot of people love ham sandwiches.


I'm still trying to figure out what parallel universe we're talking about.  Is this the one where doctors prescribe sandwiches to treat medical conditions, operating a deli requires a "butcher's license," and part of getting a butcher's license involves swearing to make any sandwich for which the customer has a prescription?

Because I would think in such a universe there could not legally be any such thing as a "kosher deli."
 
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