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2014-05-04 02:08:25 PM
According to the church manual, if a person teaches "young children" then "it is good indeed for him to cease. "  As the Rev. Maxwell Johnson, Professor of Liturgical Studies at the University of Notre Dame, points out in his commentary on the text, the problem seems to be that schoolteachers would have to teach classical literature about pagan gods and festivals.

Because teaching children about pagan gods and festivals is the church's job.
 
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2014-05-04 02:09:05 PM

Apos: [disjointedthinking.jeffhughes.ca image 350x262]

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Just an FYI, to be fair and full disclosure that graphic is only correct for the USA, not the world.
 
2014-05-04 02:09:09 PM
Look, the Free Speech Commandment says a person should be able to be a religious bigot and exclude anyone they want, and people who don't like it should still do business with them because it's his right to be a bigot and not to be judged for it.

It's the American way.
 
2014-05-04 02:09:35 PM

clancifer: Notabunny: fta Anyone "who has authority of the sword, is the ruler of a city, or wears the purple" has to resign his job or leave.

Aaaaand then they decapitated his whole family. You don't want to say 'no' to people who have authority of the sword. Just ask Vince Foster and Chris Stevens.

I'm not asking any zombies.


I asked a bunch of zombies once.  They were pretty cryptic with their answer: "No one ever spoke to  Noah.They all laughed at him instead. Working on his ark, working all by himself."  Useless, so I told them to hide their faces.
 
2014-05-04 02:10:09 PM

jake_lex: I love how right-wingers are all about "GUBBMIT SHOULD STAY OUT OF THE FREE MARKET" until the free market tells someone it has a problem with them being a bigot.


No, no, that's just the patriarchal government pushing the gay agenda.  The free market has no problem with bigotry, because the people have no problem with bigotry.

Real Americans know this.
 
2014-05-04 02:12:29 PM
I guess this makes sense, as there are not many other qualities the GOP can appeal to with its base, other than they being nearly all WHITE (so talk about race) and nearly all CHRISTIAN (so talk about fake religious persecution).

Just ignore all the other Democratic/independent white christians everywhere else, they'll ignore your nonsense.
 
2014-05-04 02:12:54 PM

phenn: Showed up on my FB feed:


Staged photo.  Obviously dead babies.
 
2014-05-04 02:14:59 PM

Gyrfalcon: Look, the Free Speech Commandment says a person should be able to be a religious bigot and exclude anyone they want, and people who don't like it should still do business with them because it's his right to be a bigot and not to be judged for it.

It's the American way.


No one had any problem with bigotry for the last two hundred years!

Except for those people who weren't people.

This is a radical change in American life.
 
2014-05-04 02:16:24 PM

gja: Apos: [disjointedthinking.jeffhughes.ca image 350x262]

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Just an FYI, to be fair and full disclosure that graphic is only correct for the USA, not the world.



*nodding* That goes without saying.
 
2014-05-04 02:18:13 PM

b0rg9: JoshTheTech: I wish I had a gay lifestyle, unfortunately my lifestyle is depressing.

You could, however, have a gay agenda...

[pbs.twimg.com image 432x574]


Lesbians are the good gays in the eyes of the Anti-Homo crowd. They make the porn they admit to looking at.
 
2014-05-04 02:19:14 PM

ElLoco: ecmoRandomNumbers: FirstNationalBastard: Ah, the gay bogeyman.

He only hides under beds that have at least 1000 thread count sheets on them.

Nah. We gays know that over 600 is redundant and unnecessary. 600-count Egyptian cotton sateen is heavenly.

Yea, well you're missing out. I've got 1000-counts on my beds and wouldn't give them up. Also, I'm not gay, so that may skew my 'sheet feel' receptors.


Eh. I realized a few years ago that I actually prefer crisp sheets to satiny soft ones, so I don't go over 300 any more. It can be kinda hard to find good construction in that range, though.
 
2014-05-04 02:21:17 PM
HOMOWNED
 
2014-05-04 02:21:41 PM

archichris: Read up on the tactics that the Mafia uses to extort protection money and then read up on the tactics terrorists use to change public opinion or policy.....

Then read up on the tactics the LGBT activists use against Christians.

Its a scary parallel.

You know who else.... nah never mind, you arent reading anymore anyway.


Thats it right there. Activists. Someone up thread was saying something bla bla bla "fair amount of the population" bla bla bla. LGBT are not even close. Tiny minority. But the way people talk its seems like 50/50 at this point.
 
2014-05-04 02:23:18 PM

Skirl Hutsenreiter: ElLoco: ecmoRandomNumbers: FirstNationalBastard: Ah, the gay bogeyman.

He only hides under beds that have at least 1000 thread count sheets on them.

Nah. We gays know that over 600 is redundant and unnecessary. 600-count Egyptian cotton sateen is heavenly.

Yea, well you're missing out. I've got 1000-counts on my beds and wouldn't give them up. Also, I'm not gay, so that may skew my 'sheet feel' receptors.

Eh. I realized a few years ago that I actually prefer crisp sheets to satiny soft ones, so I don't go over 300 any more. It can be kinda hard to find good construction in that range, though.


I found some old military hospital sheets that are thick and crisp. Now only great to sleep on but will last forever compared to these soft satiny ones.
 
2014-05-04 02:23:30 PM
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/oblig
 
2014-05-04 02:24:20 PM

The Lone Gunman: So, let me get this straight...We don't want to serve gay people, so gay people are taking their business elsewhere and that's not fair.

That can't be right.  Seriously, it can't be.


That sounds about right.  What would be fair would be if the gay people would just stop being gay so that they can spend their money there.  That way everyone is happy.

I think.  It's hard to get into that mindset.
 
2014-05-04 02:25:02 PM
Gyrfalcon
Look, the Free Speech Commandment says a person should be able to be a religious bigot and exclude anyone they want, and people who don't like it should still do business with them because it's his right to be a bigot and not to be judged for it.
It's the American way.


Per the article:
In a recent fundraising email, the president of the American Family Association, Tim Wildmon, warned his mailing list that the number of careers available to conscientious Christians "is quickly shrinking as homosexuals pro-actively seek opportunities to wreck the personal business and career of any Christian who declines to support the gay lifestyle." The professions now prohibited by homosexual activism? Photographer, Baker, Florist, Broadcaster, Counselor, Innkeeper, and Teacher. (Not included: Host on Bravo.)

I am all for the right to think differently. I Believe people should have the right to belong to the KKK and have freedom of speech, and thought for that matter.

But when a KKK bakery owner does not want to sell his cakes to black people, that might cross the line.

Why should a Christian bakery owner be able to refuse to bake a cake for a gay couple?

It is called separating one's personal life and one's business life.

Or they could try reading other parts of the bible. too.
 
2014-05-04 02:26:28 PM

hubiestubert: It's not limiting the career options of Christians, but limiting the career options for asshats.

You want to be a bigot and an asshat, who limits their market by excluding a fair amount of the population, yeah, you're looking at cutting your own damn throat, and it's self selecting your own career demise. That's freedom, baby.


How about, oh say, donating money to support support traditional marriage, gun ownership, school vouchers, anti-minimum-wage, or any of the other left-wing bêtes noires? Should such people be hounded out of careers because only asshats support such things? And if some group on the opposite side of the political spectrum feels the  supporters of  climate change legislation should be removed from the public square and their high-profile jobs, is that okay with you? Is the modern equivalent of witch-burning what you want as the new paradigm?
 
2014-05-04 02:26:45 PM

Kuta: b0rg9:

You could, however, have a gay agenda...

Dayum! It only takes 15 minutes to break up a heterosexual man-woman marriage?!

Nuclear family is under attack!!


Have you SEEN the divorce rate?  That 15 minutes probably includes a stop for a lowfat half-caf.  It's like toppling a game of Jenga being played on a ship in a storm.
 
2014-05-04 02:27:59 PM
Xians...

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2014-05-04 02:28:09 PM

Por que tan serioso: archichris: Read up on the tactics that the Mafia uses to extort protection money and then read up on the tactics terrorists use to change public opinion or policy.....

Then read up on the tactics the LGBT activists use against Christians.

Its a scary parallel.

You know who else.... nah never mind, you arent reading anymore anyway.

Thats it right there. Activists. Someone up thread was saying something bla bla bla "fair amount of the population" bla bla bla. LGBT are not even close. Tiny minority. But the way people talk its seems like 50/50 at this point.


Because the only people who care about marriage equality are LGBTs. See Einstein this is why everyone thinks you guys are bigoted pieces of shiat. But really really terrible try.
 
2014-05-04 02:29:45 PM
Gyrfalcon
Look, the Free Speech Commandment says a person should be able to be a religious bigot and exclude anyone they want, and people who don't like it should still do business with them because it's his right to be a bigot and not to be judged for it.
It's the American way.


Your message was more subtle then I originally understood.
 
2014-05-04 02:30:52 PM
Oh good. The plan is working.

/eleventy *smirk*
 
2014-05-04 02:31:12 PM

The Lone Gunman: So, let me get this straight...We don't want to serve gay people, so gay people are taking their business elsewhere and that's not fair.

That can't be right.  Seriously, it can't be.


I think it's more like "We don't want to serve gay people, and gay people taking their business elsewhere is fine with us. But people who don't agree with us that gays should be discriminated against are also taking their business elsewhere, and there are so many of them that it is actually hurting our business, and that's not fair." I think what really gets their goats is that so many non-gay people disagree with their beliefs about how to treat gay people and are willing to act on that disagreement. They can't comprehend that non-gay people could stand up for the fair treatment of gay people without somehow being coerced into it by a gay mafia with a gay agenda.

Or, for the short version, "We aren't the majority we thought we were, and that's not fair" with a side helping of "we are entitled to other people's money".
 
2014-05-04 02:32:21 PM

hubiestubert: It's not limiting the career options of Christians, but limiting the career options for asshats.

You want to be a bigot and an asshat, who limits their market by excluding a fair amount of the population, yeah, you're looking at cutting your own damn throat, and it's self selecting your own career demise. That's freedom, baby.


THIS!
 
2014-05-04 02:34:26 PM

jjorsett: hubiestubert: It's not limiting the career options of Christians, but limiting the career options for asshats.

You want to be a bigot and an asshat, who limits their market by excluding a fair amount of the population, yeah, you're looking at cutting your own damn throat, and it's self selecting your own career demise. That's freedom, baby.

How about, oh say, donating money to support support traditional marriage, gun ownership, school vouchers, anti-minimum-wage, or any of the other left-wing bêtes noires? Should such people be hounded out of careers because only asshats support such things? And if some group on the opposite side of the political spectrum feels the  supporters of  climate change legislation should be removed from the public square and their high-profile jobs, is that okay with you? Is the modern equivalent of witch-burning what you want as the new paradigm?


Stupid gotcha is stupid.
 
2014-05-04 02:36:11 PM
They still have options:
Construction worker
Police officer
Biker
Indian chief

AW, DAMN IT!
 
2014-05-04 02:36:43 PM
Have they tried not being Christian? It's not like they were born that way, what with their original sin and all.
 
2014-05-04 02:38:37 PM

jjorsett: hubiestubert: It's not limiting the career options of Christians, but limiting the career options for asshats.

You want to be a bigot and an asshat, who limits their market by excluding a fair amount of the population, yeah, you're looking at cutting your own damn throat, and it's self selecting your own career demise. That's freedom, baby.

How about, oh say, donating money to support support traditional marriage, gun ownership, school vouchers, anti-minimum-wage, or any of the other left-wing bêtes noires? Should such people be hounded out of careers because only asshats support such things? And if some group on the opposite side of the political spectrum feels the  supporters of  climate change legislation should be removed from the public square and their high-profile jobs, is that okay with you? Is the modern equivalent of witch-burning what you want as the new paradigm?


Dude you are like the all time world champion of butthurt whinging. There is no outrage large or small that doesn't inspire you to turn on the water works. Bravo.....
 
2014-05-04 02:39:38 PM

vpb: Considering how they tried to wreck the personal business and careers of gays and everyone else on the long list of people they hate, I wouldn't have a problem with that even if it were true.


Makes you wonder if they see the irony in being manhandled by the same people they've been persecuting since...for-farking EVAR?
Nah. It's only persecution when it happens to them.
 
2014-05-04 02:41:54 PM
They completely missed bankers.
Leviticus 25:37 - Thou shalt not give him thy money upon usury, nor lend him thy victuals for increase.
 
2014-05-04 02:44:49 PM

jjorsett: hubiestubert: It's not limiting the career options of Christians, but limiting the career options for asshats.

You want to be a bigot and an asshat, who limits their market by excluding a fair amount of the population, yeah, you're looking at cutting your own damn throat, and it's self selecting your own career demise. That's freedom, baby.

How about, oh say, donating money to support support traditional marriage, gun ownership, school vouchers, anti-minimum-wage, or any of the other left-wing bêtes noires? Should such people be hounded out of careers because only asshats support such things? And if some group on the opposite side of the political spectrum feels the  supporters of  climate change legislation should be removed from the public square and their high-profile jobs, is that okay with you? Is the modern equivalent of witch-burning what you want as the new paradigm?


Why do you hate the free market?
 
2014-05-04 02:45:23 PM

The Lone Gunman: So, let me get this straight...We don't want to serve gay people, so gay people are taking their business elsewhere and that's not fair.


Exactly. The dirty turd buglars are supposed to sit right there and be bullied and yelled at, because Jesus.
 
2014-05-04 02:46:05 PM

ciberido: clancifer: Notabunny: fta Anyone "who has authority of the sword, is the ruler of a city, or wears the purple" has to resign his job or leave.

Aaaaand then they decapitated his whole family. You don't want to say 'no' to people who have authority of the sword. Just ask Vince Foster and Chris Stevens.

I'm not asking any zombies.

I asked a bunch of zombies once.  They were pretty cryptic with their answer: "No one ever spoke to  Noah.They all laughed at him instead. Working on his ark, working all by himself."  Useless, so I told them to hide their faces.


Thank you for this.
 
2014-05-04 02:46:52 PM
jjorsett: but it's my divine right as stated in the Constitution to be a lout and a bigot, and to deliberately insult people at any time and for any reason!! Only I have rights, it says so in the Bible! How dare anyone oppress me!
 
2014-05-04 02:49:31 PM

archichris: Read up on the tactics that the Mafia uses to extort protection money and then read up on the tactics terrorists use to change public opinion or policy.....

Then read up on the tactics the LGBT activists use against Christians.

Its a scary parallel.

You know who else.... nah never mind, you arent reading anymore anyway.


When you go immediately to "GAY MAFIA!!!" territory, no, I reckon not.
 
2014-05-04 02:51:35 PM
Number of careers available to Christians Americans "is quickly shrinking as homosexuals Mexicans seek opportunities to wreck the personal business and career of any Christian American who declines to support the gay illegal immigrant lifestyle." This is bad good news for florists landscape companies
 
2014-05-04 02:52:53 PM
Here's the thing that gets me about gay opponents. They're all so "up in your face" about their "disapproval" of homosexuality. They have to broadcast it everywhere they go. They put it on their bumper stickers, they wear it on their t-shirts, or they pin it to themselves on a button. They just refuse to keep their lifestyles to themselves.

I don't care if people want to disapprove of homosexuality in the privacy of their own homes. Whatever revolting things they want to do on their own time in their own place is fine.

But if you decide to flaunt your perverted gay hate everywhere you go, don't be surprised when there are consequences. Don't be surprised if employers don't want anything to do with you. Don't be surprised if your normal friends with good morals abandon you. Don't be surprised if even your own family rejects you.

Keep your gay hate in the closet where it belongs.
 
2014-05-04 02:53:56 PM
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XPNs, truly my heart bleeds for you ...
 
2014-05-04 02:58:45 PM

TheHighlandHowler: Meh.  If you want to limit yourself to ChickFillet or HobbyLobby, be my guest.  (Sorry about the spelling-never been to either.)


You are missing out : (
 
2014-05-04 03:02:43 PM

TV's Vinnie: hubiestubert: It's not limiting the career options of Christians, but limiting the career options for asshats.

You want to be a bigot and an asshat, who limits their market by excluding a fair amount of the population, yeah, you're looking at cutting your own damn throat, and it's self selecting your own career demise. That's freedom, baby.

THIS!


Because sometimes the "invisible hand" of the free market has to slap a biatch.

Stephen_Falken: Number of careers available to Christians Americans "is quickly shrinking as homosexuals Mexicans seek opportunities to wreck the personal business and career of any Christian American who declines to support the gay illegal immigrant lifestyle." This is bad good news for florists landscape companies


Nice fungibility test.
 
2014-05-04 03:03:17 PM

grimnir: Or, for the short version, "We aren't the majority we thought we were, and that's not fair" with a side helping of "we are entitled to other people's money".


I like your take on it.  People are entitled to their opinions but, when they voice increasingly unpopular opinions they shouldn't be shocked by the results either.
 
2014-05-04 03:05:58 PM
Religion has been practicing repression for centuries now...a little turnabout seems fair.
 
2014-05-04 03:06:17 PM
A Christian should be known by their actions especially in the business world. Taking care of all customers is the mark of a good Christian business.

What happen to judging a business of the quality and fairness of their product/service and not their beliefs.
 
2014-05-04 03:07:44 PM

phenn: Showed up on my FB feed:

[i.imgur.com image 450x450]

All the hatred towards people who are different from us is learned behavior. Not in any way born or organic.

Unlearn that shiat and live free ya bunch of farkwits.


I beg to differ.

Racism IS INBORN BEHAVIOR!  Like most every other category, racism is not an "either/or" dichotomy.  It's a continuum.  In reality, everyone is racist to some degree.

You have to UN LEARN racism.  Natural selection dictates that you be wary of creatures that look different from you.  It's a survival mechanism.  People you recognize are safe.  The more different they look than your own tribe, the more wary you should be.  That leads to racism.

People have to learn that we are all the same species sharing the same big ball.  And many children DO learn this at a young age (should be " . . .  ALL children . . .").

We are all one tribe.
 
2014-05-04 03:08:57 PM

gaslight: Bigots should go back to where they came from.


The gay bar they sneak into after 10PM?
 
2014-05-04 03:10:09 PM

archichris: Read up on the tactics that the Mafia uses to extort protection money and then read up on the tactics terrorists use to change public opinion or policy.....

Then read up on the tactics the LGBT activists use against Christians.

Its a scary parallel.


Let's say I'm willing to believe you for a minute.  How exactly should I "read up on the tactics the LGBT activists use against Christians"?  You didn't provide me any helpful links, so I should just Google "tactics the LGBT activists use against Christians" and see what turns up?  Hmm, ok, so that gets me a story from christianpost.com  and one from "Americans for Truth about Homosexuality,"  both about that Sweet Cakes by Melissa place that ran into trouble for refusing to serve a lesbian couple.  Those are the top hits.  Mmmm, clearly those websites are very biased.

Well, here's an article from LBGTQ Nation that covers the same story.  It, like the other two stories also reports that the owners of Sweet Cakes by Melissa  claim that gay activists used "mafia-like tactics."  It also points out that these are merely claims, and that the owners won't detail them or offer any actual evidence besides the van thing.

So, my question is, are gay activists using "Mafia-like tactics" except in this one story?  And is there any actual evidence of it at all anywhere?  Or is it just one person's unsubstantiated and nebulous claim?
 
2014-05-04 03:10:35 PM

ScaryBottles: Por que tan serioso: Thats it right there. Activists. Someone up thread was saying something bla bla bla "fair amount of the population" bla bla bla. LGBT are not even close. Tiny minority. But the way people talk its seems like 50/50 at this point.

Because the only people who care about marriage equality are LGBTs. See Einstein this is why everyone thinks you guys are bigoted pieces of shiat. But really really terrible try.


Exactly. I'm a heterosexual woman. I'm married to a heterosexual man. We have a baby, and we plan to make another. Hey, we're even white (Dutch and Irish genes make for very pale babies).  And you know what? I support marriage equality. I voted against Prop 8, and I have no plans to eat at Chik-Fil-A.

Yes, I have gay friends (including two who just got married, with Latrice Royale officiating!), but it shouldn't even matterthat it affects people close to me. I support homosexual marriage because I'm human and believe in equality under the law.

So, no. It's not a tiny minority of activists who these businesses are alienating. It's people like me, as well.
 
2014-05-04 03:15:36 PM

Forty-Two: ScaryBottles: Por que tan serioso: Thats it right there. Activists. Someone up thread was saying something bla bla bla "fair amount of the population" bla bla bla. LGBT are not even close. Tiny minority. But the way people talk its seems like 50/50 at this point.

Because the only people who care about marriage equality are LGBTs. See Einstein this is why everyone thinks you guys are bigoted pieces of shiat. But really really terrible try.

Exactly. I'm a heterosexual woman. I'm married to a heterosexual man. We have a baby, and we plan to make another. Hey, we're even white (Dutch and Irish genes make for very pale babies).  And you know what? I support marriage equality. I voted against Prop 8, and I have no plans to eat at Chik-Fil-A.

Yes, I have gay friends (including two who just got married, with Latrice Royale officiating!), but it shouldn't even matterthat it affects people close to me. I support homosexual marriage because I'm human and believe in equality under the law.

So, no. It's not a tiny minority of activists who these businesses are alienating. It's people like me, as well.


Thats awesome I personally would have tried to get Sharon Needles. Season 4 FTW!

Straight male living in sin/
 
2014-05-04 03:21:25 PM

phenn: Showed up on my FB feed:

[i.imgur.com image 450x450]

All the hatred towards people who are different from us is learned behavior. Not in any way born or organic.

Unlearn that shiat and live free ya bunch of farkwits.


They have to be carefully taught.
 
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