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2014-05-04 10:53:22 AM  
That's not nice, Subby. Are you saying the country is weak?
 
2014-05-04 10:55:37 AM  

The Repeated Meme: That's not nice, Subby. Are you saying the country is weak?


No s/hes saying its the new hotness.
 
2014-05-04 10:55:58 AM  
Holy smokes!
 
2014-05-04 11:00:36 AM  
What can be said with certainty is that trouble began ahead of a football match between the home side, Chornomorets Odessa, and the visitors, Metalist Kharkiv.

Soccer Hooligans, ya gotta love em.
 
2014-05-04 11:01:23 AM  
How's that Peace Prize working out for you BOB?

www.zerohedge.com
 
2014-05-04 11:02:34 AM  

Brick-House: How's that Peace Prize working out for you BOB?

[www.zerohedge.com image 750x554]


Yeah. Obama has really done a shiatty job of running the Ukraine. I'll never vote for him again.
 
2014-05-04 11:03:53 AM  

Brick-House: How's that Peace Prize working out for you BOB?


2/10
 
2014-05-04 11:05:29 AM  
Glad too see those "pro-Russian protestors" with body armor, Russian military rifles and equpment find that it's really hard to escape fire when you're trying to illegally annex a country for your Putin.
 
2014-05-04 11:08:20 AM  
This is not somewhere you want to be.

Link goes to homemade weapons made by Pro Russian supporters

http://www.featureshoot.com/2014/03/tom-jamieson/#!BB4vq
 
2014-05-04 11:09:17 AM  
I've been reading user comments on a lot of major western news sites regarding Ukraine. CNN, Rueters, BBC ect. I've noticed a pattern of very pro Russian posts made in broken English on all of them. For example a pro Russian post from a guy named "SanfranDav" who repeatedly uses the word "petrol". Nobody in California uses that word.

I guess it could be a fluke, but then again if it's not I would like to congratulate Putin on his trolling skills.

\Just because the aliens put a chip in my head doesn't make me paranoid.
 
2014-05-04 11:09:27 AM  
So what happens now? Do we send the Ukraine weapons? Do we put troops on the ground?
 
2014-05-04 11:14:30 AM  

alice_600: So what happens now? Do we send the Ukraine weapons? Do we put troops on the ground?


Can we stay the fark out of other peoples' business?  Can we try that one?
 
2014-05-04 11:14:43 AM  

DarkSoulNoHope: Glad too see those "pro-Russian protestors" with body armor, Russian military rifles and equpment find that it's really hard to escape fire when you're trying to illegally annex a country for your Putin.


IT KEEPS HAPPENING

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2014-05-04 11:15:04 AM  
I forget where I read it but a news article was saying that Ukraine was heading towards a "civil war". Does it count as a civil war if the guys that the Ukrainians are fighting against are actually Russian special forces?

/Because I'm sure there are plenty of militias with armed with SAMs out there.
 
2014-05-04 11:15:36 AM  
Tell you what it be. Russia is not running us, but Russia is all of us. Ukraine petrol is real Russian petrol. West think they have best Ukraine ideas running country, NO! Ukrainerussia is best new Russia. I am live in United State, I am know what best for Ukrussia.
 
2014-05-04 11:16:34 AM  
Yeah, but did she survive?

c3.likes-media.com
 
2014-05-04 11:22:27 AM  
Yeah. Obama has really done a shiatty job of running the Ukraine. I'll never vote for him again.

He's done an outstanding job of destroying America's credibility and influence in the world by projecting his total wussiness in foreign policy. His incompetence has cost lives, and may end up starting the next world war in Europe because he simply will not be assertive.

So what happens now? Do we send the Ukraine weapons? Do we put troops on the ground?

Quietly inform the Russian government that if they don't stop farking with Ukraine, we'll start arming Chechens, Siberian separatists, etc. and let them turn Moscow into one big Kabul....
 
2014-05-04 11:22:48 AM  

Bertuccio: Yeah, but did she survive?


She's crossed right into the uncanny valley. That's really bizarre.
 
2014-05-04 11:23:52 AM  

Mister Peejay: alice_600: So what happens now? Do we send the Ukraine weapons? Do we put troops on the ground?

Can we stay the fark out of other peoples' business?  Can we try that one?


Oh, no, no, no. That will never do.
 
2014-05-04 11:24:56 AM  

FiggyPudding: This is not somewhere you want to be.

Link goes to homemade weapons made by Pro Russian supporters

http://www.featureshoot.com/2014/03/tom-jamieson/#!BB4vq


...Yeah, I think I'd rather face people with guns than those suckers.  Guns are hard to aim and easy to get misses, while sharp edged bludgeoning weapons have degrees of farking you up.
 
2014-05-04 11:25:55 AM  
Oh, those poor, poor disguised russian special forces dudes pretending to be "protesters" armed with the latest in soviet military weapons technology.  Who will cry for them?
 
2014-05-04 11:26:21 AM  
If you wish to engage in Revolution, death is a reported side-effect.
 
2014-05-04 11:26:24 AM  
 
2014-05-04 11:27:52 AM  

mark12A: His incompetence has cost lives


Yes, it's especially outrageous when compared with the previous president's total non-incompetency which didn't cost any lives.

/go back to troll school and kill yourself while you're at it.
 
2014-05-04 11:28:38 AM  

FiggyPudding: Link goes to homemade weapons made by Pro Russian supporters http://www.featureshoot.com/2014/03/tom-jamieson/#!BB4vq


Not pro-Russian, those are from Euromaidan in Kyiv.

Amish Tech Support: I guess it could be a fluke, but then again if it's not I would like to congratulate Putin on his trolling skills


Difficult to tell, but I did notice a few months back that a lot of pro-Russians were on Youtube; they often reply a few times and then you never see them again. Considering Putin's penchant for KGB tactics, I wouldn't be surprised to find there are whole buildings full of people working the propaganda machine.
 
2014-05-04 11:28:54 AM  

mark12A: Yeah. Obama has really done a shiatty job of running the Ukraine. I'll never vote for him again.

He's done an outstanding job of destroying America's credibility and influence in the world by projecting his total wussiness in foreign policy. His incompetence has cost lives, and may end up starting the next world war in Europe because he simply will not be assertive.

So what happens now? Do we send the Ukraine weapons? Do we put troops on the ground?

Quietly inform the Russian government that if they don't stop farking with Ukraine, we'll start arming Chechens, Siberian separatists, etc. and let them turn Moscow into one big Kabul....


So, since Obama is doing this now...quietly...why the fark are you complaining?
 
2014-05-04 11:29:26 AM  

marius2: Tell you what it be. Russia is not running us, but Russia is all of us. Ukraine petrol is real Russian petrol. West think they have best Ukraine ideas running country, NO! Ukrainerussia is best new Russia. I am live in United State, I am know what best for Ukrussia.


See!!! And they laughed at me when I stopped taking my meds.

What's the frequency Kenneth?
 
2014-05-04 11:30:40 AM  

pstudent12: http://www.zerohedge.com/contributed/2014-05-04/whats-really-going-od e ssa-ukraine

Submitted by George Washington on 05/04/2014 04:02 -0400


Why the hell am I going to listen to some community organizer/domestic terrorist who's been dead for 300 years?
 
2014-05-04 11:31:27 AM  
So, let me get this straight. A bunch of people decide to attack another bunch of people with the intent of inflicting grievous harm or killing them, and then people get all teary-eyed when said attackers wind up getting the tables turned on them and are killed by the people they were trying to kill? I really don't see what's wrong with that.
 
2014-05-04 11:39:20 AM  
Pro-tip, if your going to be an anti-govt. douche-nozzle and occupy a govt. building, make sure you can escape the building when people get tired of your shiat.
 
2014-05-04 11:39:37 AM  
So, since Obama is doing this now...quietly...why the fark are you complaining?

Not in a million years will this idiot in the White House do anything proactive in foreign policy. The Hallmark of his foreign policy has been nothing but weak reaction.

/"it wasn't our fault! It was that idiot You-Tube guy in California!"
//"Red line? What Red line?"
///"after the election I can be much more flexible"
////SMART DIPLOMACY FTW!
 
2014-05-04 11:40:14 AM  

Johnsnownw: Pro-tip, if you're going to be an anti-govt. douche-nozzle and occupy a govt. building, make sure you can escape the building when people get tired of your shiat.


FTFM...dammit
 
2014-05-04 11:41:07 AM  
Now this is what I call Community Organizing!
 
2014-05-04 11:44:14 AM  

mark12A: So, since Obama is doing this now...quietly...why the fark are you complaining?

Not in a million years will this idiot in the White House do anything proactive in foreign policy. The Hallmark of his foreign policy has been nothing but weak reaction.

/"it wasn't our fault! It was that idiot You-Tube guy in California!"
//"Red line? What Red line?"
///"after the election I can be much more flexible"
////SMART DIPLOMACY FTW!


Maybe you should go occupy a government building in protest.
 
2014-05-04 11:44:14 AM  

pstudent12: http://www.zerohedge.com/contributed/2014-05-04/whats-really-going-od e ssa-ukraine


FTFA "The design on the girls' shirt on the right is the same as on the shirt of the Ukrainian neo Nazi with the unusual hairdo"
Except it's not. She is clearly wearing the Ukrainian trident and he clearly has the Svoboda party logo.

There are many parties fighting against Russia. They are not all sane, they are not all helping, and the ruling party wants to mitigate them.
 
2014-05-04 11:46:43 AM  

mark12A: Yeah. Obama has really done a shiatty job of running the Ukraine. I'll never vote for him again.

He's done an outstanding job of destroying America's credibility and influence in the world by projecting his total wussiness in foreign policy. His incompetence has cost lives, and may end up starting the next world war in Europe because he simply will not be assertive.

So what happens now? Do we send the Ukraine weapons? Do we put troops on the ground?

Quietly inform the Russian government that if they don't stop farking with Ukraine, we'll start arming Chechens, Siberian separatists, etc. and let them turn Moscow into one big Kabul....


And when Russia responds by arming Texas separatists? Alaskan Separatists? The Bundy Ranch?

When does it end?
 
2014-05-04 11:48:33 AM  
FTFA: "There are 32 bodies inside. They are absolutely unrecognisable, simply black from head to foot."

img2.timeinc.net
 
2014-05-04 11:50:26 AM  
Ok, sadly i am not up really on what the hell is going on over there. I know russian forces are poised like a german shorthair on a bird on the border, but who are the people who are killing one another, and why? I'm not really understanding what is going on here.


/Anyone? Please?
 
2014-05-04 11:50:27 AM  
*sigh* Can't we all just get along?
 
2014-05-04 11:56:17 AM  

Amish Tech Support: I've been reading user comments on a lot of major western news sites regarding Ukraine. CNN, Rueters, BBC ect. I've noticed a pattern of very pro Russian posts made in broken English on all of them. For example a pro Russian post from a guy named "SanfranDav" who repeatedly uses the word "petrol". Nobody in California uses that word.

I guess it could be a fluke, but then again if it's not I would like to congratulate Putin on his trolling skills.

\Just because the aliens put a chip in my head doesn't make me paranoid.


Believe me... You are not the first person to notice awkwardly written pro-russian comments on articles all over the web since this shiat began...  There is definatly some sort of disinformation campaign going on outside of the region, as well as inside...
 
2014-05-04 11:59:03 AM  

Amish Tech Support: I've been reading user comments on a lot of major western news sites regarding Ukraine. CNN, Rueters, BBC ect. I've noticed a pattern of very pro Russian posts made in broken English on all of them. For example a pro Russian post from a guy named "SanfranDav" who repeatedly uses the word "petrol". Nobody in California uses that word.

I guess it could be a fluke, but then again if it's not I would like to congratulate Putin on his trolling skills.

\Just because the aliens put a chip in my head doesn't make me paranoid.


I've noticed this also
 
2014-05-04 12:01:06 PM  
Brick-House: How's that Peace Prize working out for you BOB?

Spoken by a war pig.
 
2014-05-04 12:11:46 PM  

Bit'O'Gristle: Ok, sadly i am not up really on what the hell is going on over there. I know russian forces are poised like a german shorthair on a bird on the border, but who are the people who are killing one another, and why?


From what I've read, the short version: pro-Russians and pro-Ukrainians collided, and things got out of hand.

Longer version: "ultras" from 2 different soccer teams wanted to meet in the city, to voice their support for Ukraine. A third group (possibly Russian) got in the way, and things escalated.
From what I can gather from the web (Google Translate), pro-Ukrainians are insisting that all of these situations are instigated by Russian provocateurs, sometimes dressed as pro-Maydan supporters.
 
2014-05-04 12:15:20 PM  
The jig is almost up. Ukraine isn't going to roll over like Putin thought. Poland is itching for Russia to openly invade so they can rush to Ukraine's aid. The Baltics have said they would follow. Moldavia will probably join in. Russia goes into any of those countries, the rest of NATO will join in.

Splitters in Ukraine aren't anywhere near a majority in any area. If they were the eastern area would be in flames rather than just small spurts of trouble being solved by football hooligans.

Problem is if Putin backs down he is going to lose a lot of support at home. If he doesn't back down he will probably end up losing a lot of territory-- Chechnya and Kaliningrad come to mind. Kaliningrad is indefensible. I see a lot of payback coming from some very pissed off countries. I doubt we'd have to do more than shove weapons and ammo into their hands.
 
2014-05-04 12:16:18 PM  

Reverend J: I forget where I read it but a news article was saying that Ukraine was heading towards a "civil war". Does it count as a civil war if the guys that the Ukrainians are fighting against are actually Russian special forces?

/Because I'm sure there are plenty of militias with armed with SAMs out there.


If these are Russian Special forces they seem to be quite incompetent. If a bunch of amateurs can trap them in a building and kill them.
 
2014-05-04 12:17:34 PM  
We should just wait for the effects of the sanctions kick in. :-)
 
2014-05-04 12:20:22 PM  

Maul555: Amish Tech Support: I've been reading user comments on a lot of major western news sites regarding Ukraine. CNN, Rueters, BBC ect. I've noticed a pattern of very pro Russian posts made in broken English on all of them. For example a pro Russian post from a guy named "SanfranDav" who repeatedly uses the word "petrol". Nobody in California uses that word.

I guess it could be a fluke, but then again if it's not I would like to congratulate Putin on his trolling skills.

\Just because the aliens put a chip in my head doesn't make me paranoid.

Believe me... You are not the first person to notice awkwardly written pro-russian comments on articles all over the web since this shiat began...  There is definatly some sort of disinformation campaign going on outside of the region, as well as inside...


How much is the CIA paying you to spread this counter-disinformation?!?!?

/not everything is a conspiracy
//everyone who disagrees with you is a paid government troll
///there are no Russian immigrants in America, none
 
2014-05-04 12:21:03 PM  
mark12A:

I generally respect your insights in space threads but I gotta be frank, you're out of your element here, Donnie.

I'm a self-admitted imperialist in terms of foreign policy, and I gotta say we're playing Ukraine exactly like we should so far, given: A) Western Europe's timidity on the matter B) Ukraine internally doesn't even know what they want (we'll see what happens in the week following the May 25th election) and C) while a very easy short term win for Russia (Crimea's annexation) the long term gambit is ultimately a loss for them. Never interrupt your adversary when they're making a mistake.
 
2014-05-04 12:24:01 PM  
I wish the U.S. had a powerful leader like Putin, not the pair of mom jeans we have now.
 
2014-05-04 12:27:13 PM  
Ukraine dance if you want to
Ukraine leave your friends behind
 
2014-05-04 12:30:30 PM  

Tellingthem: If these are Russian Special forces they seem to be quite incompetent. If a bunch of amateurs can trap them in a building and kill them.


Those aren't "Russian special forces".

It's Odessa, not Eastern Ukraine. Those uniformed, heavily armed separatists are in Eastern Ukraine. Odessa is Southern Ukraine, far from Eastern borders.

The people in the building are pro-Russians, but they are mostly local pro-Russians.
 
2014-05-04 12:38:52 PM  

img.fark.net


Of course, of course we should feel bad for pro-Russian separatists burned in a building fire. Of course we should. ...but maybe, MAYBE you shouldn't revolt against your own country and attempt to split it apart, kill people and take over government buildings.
 
2014-05-04 12:40:45 PM  

jso2897: Brick-House: How's that Peace Prize working out for you BOB?

[www.zerohedge.com image 750x554]

Yeah. Obama has really done a shiatty job of running the Ukraine. I'll never vote for him again.


Glad to see at least some Farkers understand the cabal of Obama-Handler's failed plans.
 
2014-05-04 12:43:19 PM  

Whatchoo Talkinbout: What can be said with certainty is that trouble began ahead of a football match between the home side, Chornomorets Odessa, and the visitors, Metalist Kharkiv.

Soccer Hooligans, ya gotta love em.


That's the only militia some countries have.
 
2014-05-04 12:43:58 PM  
Brick-House: How's that Peace Prize working out for you BOB?


It's working great, @sshole. Thank you for asking. Osama bin Laden and Gaddafi are dead, we've finally wound down the Iraq debacle started by the previous warmongering administration, and we're GTFO of Afghanistan. We have absolutely no control over soccer hooligans rioting in Ukraine, but thanks for assuming Obama was so amazing that he could stop that if he wanted to. Have a delightful Sunday.
 
2014-05-04 12:44:06 PM  

Aar1012: mark12A: Yeah. Obama has really done a shiatty job of running the Ukraine. I'll never vote for him again.

He's done an outstanding job of destroying America's credibility and influence in the world by projecting his total wussiness in foreign policy. His incompetence has cost lives, and may end up starting the next world war in Europe because he simply will not be assertive.

So what happens now? Do we send the Ukraine weapons? Do we put troops on the ground?

Quietly inform the Russian government that if they don't stop farking with Ukraine, we'll start arming Chechens, Siberian separatists, etc. and let them turn Moscow into one big Kabul....

And when Russia responds by arming Texas separatists? Alaskan Separatists? The Bundy Ranch?

When does it end?


It's America asshole, the people are free to arm themselves.
 
2014-05-04 12:45:59 PM  

BolloxReader: Poland is itching for Russia to openly invade so they can rush to Ukraine's aid.


[citation needed]
 
2014-05-04 12:46:02 PM  

sendtodave: Ukraine dance if you want to
Ukraine leave your friends behind


Damn you all to hell.
 
2014-05-04 12:47:55 PM  

The Bestest: Never interrupt your adversary when they're making a mistake.


I've got to steal this.Thanks!
 
2014-05-04 12:49:06 PM  
What happened was that pro-Russian gunmen attacked a group of pro-Ukrainian demonstrators, resulting in a running gunbattle between the pro-Russian and pro-Ukrainian groups, ending with the pro-Russians being holed up in the trade building, where they continued to fire at the pro-Ukrainian militants outside from. Then the pro-Ukrainians set the building on fire with molotov cocktails, and 30-some of the Pro-Russian group died in the burning building. I've heard some reports that molotovs were being thrown both into and out of the building, but I don't know if that's true.

The police in Odessa, meanwhile, apparently stood by and did next to nothing either when the pro-Russians were attacking the Ukrainian group or at the burning trade building, although they apparently did try and keep some separated pro-Russian militants from being beaten to death by mobs.

Whole thing's farked up.
 
2014-05-04 12:50:51 PM  

Aar1012: mark12A: Yeah. Obama has really done a shiatty job of running the Ukraine. I'll never vote for him again.

He's done an outstanding job of destroying America's credibility and influence in the world by projecting his total wussiness in foreign policy. His incompetence has cost lives, and may end up starting the next world war in Europe because he simply will not be assertive.

So what happens now? Do we send the Ukraine weapons? Do we put troops on the ground?

Quietly inform the Russian government that if they don't stop farking with Ukraine, we'll start arming Chechens, Siberian separatists, etc. and let them turn Moscow into one big Kabul....

And when Russia responds by arming Texas separatists? Alaskan Separatists? The Bundy Ranch?



They probably already are. There must be some reason all our resident right wing traitors idolize Pooty-poot so slavishly.
 
2014-05-04 12:51:22 PM  

mark12A: Yeah. Obama has really done a shiatty job of running the Ukraine. I'll never vote for him again.

He's done an outstanding job of destroying America's credibility and influence in the world by projecting his total wussiness in foreign policy. His incompetence has cost lives, and may end up starting the next world war in Europe because he simply will not be assertive.

So what happens now? Do we send the Ukraine weapons? Do we put troops on the ground?

Quietly inform the Russian government that if they don't stop farking with Ukraine, we'll start arming Chechens, Siberian separatists, etc. and let them turn Moscow into one big Kabul....


Meh
3/10

/although the Russian judge did give the first part a 9, so that scewed the results
 
rpl
2014-05-04 12:51:24 PM  

FiggyPudding: This is not somewhere you want to be.

Link goes to homemade weapons made by Pro Russian Maidan supporters

http://www.featureshoot.com/2014/03/tom-jamieson/#!BB4vq


FTFY. The whole article is one paragraph for chrissakes
 
2014-05-04 12:52:01 PM  

jaybeezey: It's America asshole


Ukraine? I thought that was Newark.
 
2014-05-04 12:55:40 PM  

Need_MindBleach: What happened was that pro-Russian gunmen attacked a group of pro-Ukrainian demonstrators, resulting in a running gunbattle between the pro-Russian and pro-Ukrainian groups



You're lying.
 
2014-05-04 01:00:52 PM  

Tellingthem: Reverend J: I forget where I read it but a news article was saying that Ukraine was heading towards a "civil war". Does it count as a civil war if the guys that the Ukrainians are fighting against are actually Russian special forces?

/Because I'm sure there are plenty of militias with armed with SAMs out there.

If these are Russian Special forces they seem to be quite incompetent. If a bunch of amateurs can trap them in a building and kill them.


You know how we can tell that you have no tactical training?
SpecOps are not the invincible super soldiers on your Xbox. Their real missions tend to be much different from the movies.
 
2014-05-04 01:02:33 PM  

oopsminded: Need_MindBleach: What happened was that pro-Russian gunmen attacked a group of pro-Ukrainian demonstrators, resulting in a running gunbattle between the pro-Russian and pro-Ukrainian groups


You're lying.



Then the article's lying, because that's a summary of what it said happened. Pro-Ukraine soccer fans had a planned march, and pro-Russians attacked it in what was described as a planned attack. In the Ensuing street battle, the pro-Russians lost.
 
2014-05-04 01:03:33 PM  

Tman144: Maul555: Amish Tech Support: I've been reading user comments on a lot of major western news sites regarding Ukraine. CNN, Rueters, BBC ect. I've noticed a pattern of very pro Russian posts made in broken English on all of them. For example a pro Russian post from a guy named "SanfranDav" who repeatedly uses the word "petrol". Nobody in California uses that word.

I guess it could be a fluke, but then again if it's not I would like to congratulate Putin on his trolling skills.

\Just because the aliens put a chip in my head doesn't make me paranoid.

Believe me... You are not the first person to notice awkwardly written pro-russian comments on articles all over the web since this shiat began...  There is definatly some sort of disinformation campaign going on outside of the region, as well as inside...

How much is the CIA paying you to spread this counter-disinformation?!?!?

/not everything is a conspiracy
//everyone who disagrees with you is a paid government troll
///there are no Russian immigrants in America, none


How much are they paying you ya commie bastard? And what did you do with Amelia Earhart?
 
2014-05-04 01:09:00 PM  

trevzie: Amish Tech Support: I've been reading user comments on a lot of major western news sites regarding Ukraine. CNN, Rueters, BBC ect. I've noticed a pattern of very pro Russian posts made in broken English on all of them. For example a pro Russian post from a guy named "SanfranDav" who repeatedly uses the word "petrol". Nobody in California uses that word.

I guess it could be a fluke, but then again if it's not I would like to congratulate Putin on his trolling skills.

\Just because the aliens put a chip in my head doesn't make me paranoid.

I've noticed this also


You should read the comments on RT.com. But only if you have a sturdy BS filter.
 
2014-05-04 01:09:41 PM  

Bit'O'Gristle: Ok, sadly i am not up really on what the hell is going on over there. I know russian forces are poised like a german shorthair on a bird on the border, but who are the people who are killing one another, and why? I'm not really understanding what is going on here.


/Anyone? Please?


No one knows.

Okay, you got the pro-Ukrainian forces we'll call Ukes and you got the pro-Russian forces we'll call Semes.  A major soccer game went down, and since both My Politics and My Team are defined by geography, it was semes vs. ukes both in the game and in the streets.

So the semes showed up ready to riot and the ukes did the same, doesn't matter who started it, the rumble was gonna happen.

The semes were outnumbered though, so despite showing up for a fight they lost and started running.  They fled to a building where they barricaded and started throwing molotov cocktails.  Ukes responded in kind and suddenly the barricaded building was on fire.  From the looks of things the Semes started the fire inside by accident, but in a fight like this no one is going to say, "yeah, my side screwed up," so it's finger-pointing and screaming all around.

Now some of the Ukes helped some of the Semes escape, but at least 32 Semes were trapped by the mob or the fear and burned to death inside the building.
 
2014-05-04 01:09:49 PM  
ENOUGH! ENOUGH! ENOUGH! ENOUGH! ENOUGH!

Russia get over it! Your girlfriend the Ukraine married another guy! Get over it! She's happy be happy for her.

Russia, your ideas are old and backwards because your country wasn't involved in the enlightenment of 17th and 18th centuries. It took an Emperor sneaking over to western Europe working among the working people there to give you guys the technology and philosophy that had been around for a hundred years or so.
 
2014-05-04 01:11:55 PM  
If anyone is interested in what happens in Odessa now, instead of 2 days ago: a thousand or so pro-Russian protesters gathered around police building in Odessa, demanding freedom for those arrested 2.05.

After couple of hours of standoff all 67 arrested were let go by police. It is said that they all were pro-Russians.

Standoff continues, protesters demand those arrested who were moved outside of Odessa to be brought back.

Kiev's government declared that they have fired all the top of Odessa's police. Like, every single one of the higher police ranks.
 
2014-05-04 01:16:09 PM  

Need_MindBleach: What happened was that pro-Russian gunmen attacked a group of pro-Ukrainian demonstrators, resulting in a running gunbattle between the pro-Russian and pro-Ukrainian groups, ending with the pro-Russians being holed up in the trade building, where they continued to fire at the pro-Ukrainian militants outside from. Then the pro-Ukrainians set the building on fire with molotov cocktails, and 30-some of the Pro-Russian group died in the burning building. I've heard some reports that molotovs were being thrown both into and out of the building, but I don't know if that's true.

The police in Odessa, meanwhile, apparently stood by and did next to nothing either when the pro-Russians were attacking the Ukrainian group or at the burning trade building, although they apparently did try and keep some separated pro-Russian militants from being beaten to death by mobs.

Whole thing's farked up.


Look, when there's a soccer riot you keep your distance.  Soccer hooligans are farking crazy.
 
2014-05-04 01:18:03 PM  

alice_600: Russia get over it! Your girlfriend the Ukraine married another guy! Get over it! She's happy be happy for her.


I'm afraid it's not as easy as you think.

alice_600: Russia, your ideas are old and backwards because your country wasn't involved in the enlightenment of 17th and 18th centuries. It took an Emperor sneaking over to western Europe working among the working people there to give you guys the technology and philosophy that had been around for a hundred years or so.


Same Emperor bequeathed that Russia should rule the Eastern Europe with iron fist and should keep the western Europe afraid of Russia. He wasn't giving the technology and philosophy to Russia so that Russia would become a friend of Europe.

*shrug* anyway, it's not up to even Putin, at this time.
 
2014-05-04 01:20:53 PM  

mark12A: Yeah. Obama has really done a shiatty job of running the Ukraine. I'll never vote for him again.

He's done an outstanding job of destroying America's credibility and influence in the world by projecting his total wussiness in foreign policy. His incompetence has cost lives, and may end up starting the next world war in Europe because he simply will not be assertive.

So what happens now? Do we send the Ukraine weapons? Do we put troops on the ground?

Quietly inform the Russian government that if they don't stop farking with Ukraine, we'll start arming Chechens, Siberian separatists, etc. and let them turn Moscow into one big Kabul....


Peace thru war.  Yeaaaaaa....
 
2014-05-04 01:23:41 PM  

Grahor: If anyone is interested in what happens in Odessa now, instead of 2 days ago: a thousand or so pro-Russian protesters gathered around police building in Odessa, demanding freedom for those arrested 2.05.

After couple of hours of standoff all 67 arrested were let go by police. It is said that they all were pro-Russians.

Standoff continues, protesters demand those arrested who were moved outside of Odessa to be brought back.

Kiev's government declared that they have fired all the top of Odessa's police. Like, every single one of the higher police ranks.


Pro Ukrainians have now mobilized against the mob of separatists in Odessa. Also, I think they confirmed a good portion of the arrested individuals were also from Transdniestria
 
2014-05-04 01:33:28 PM  

pstudent12: http://www.zerohedge.com/contributed/2014-05-04/whats-really-going-od e ssa-ukraine


Zero Hedge.  Complete with a banner add for EndOfAmerica.com.  Nice.
 
2014-05-04 01:38:15 PM  

jso2897: mark12A: SMART DIPLOMACY FTW!

Maybe you should go occupy a government building in protest.


You know we've gone insane when it's the Conservatives who are kowtowing to Russia.  It's a mixed up, muddled up, shook up world we live in.

/Well, except for Lola.
 
2014-05-04 01:38:43 PM  
Russia has been in full propaganda and deception mode for weeks and obfuscating their lies with a little bit of truth.  I haven't seen this much state run bullshiat since the run-up to the invasion if Iraq.
 
2014-05-04 01:40:02 PM  

Maul555: Amish Tech Support: I've been reading user comments on a lot of major western news sites regarding Ukraine. CNN, Rueters, BBC ect. I've noticed a pattern of very pro Russian posts made in broken English on all of them. For example a pro Russian post from a guy named "SanfranDav" who repeatedly uses the word "petrol". Nobody in California uses that word.

I guess it could be a fluke, but then again if it's not I would like to congratulate Putin on his trolling skills.

\Just because the aliens put a chip in my head doesn't make me paranoid.

Believe me... You are not the first person to notice awkwardly written pro-russian comments on articles all over the web since this shiat began...  There is definatly some sort of disinformation campaign going on outside of the region, as well as inside...


But at least not here on Fark.  Fark, at least, is mercifully free of sockpuppets and paid shills.
 
2014-05-04 01:42:30 PM  

shower_in_my_socks: [img.fark.net image 468x360]
Of course, of course we should feel bad for pro-Russian separatists burned in a building fire. Of course we should. ...but maybe, MAYBE you shouldn't revolt against your own country and attempt to split it apart, kill people and take over government buildings.


Of course, of course we should feel bad for Fox's entire news and opinion crew burned in a building fire. Of course we should. ...but maybe, MAYBE you shouldn't revolt against your own country and attempt to split it apart, spit on people and take over Christian beliefs.

The first thing that popped in my mind when I read the socks's post. But getting back to the article...

Putin, you dickhead.
 
2014-05-04 01:47:20 PM  

DubyaHater: I wish the U.S. had a powerful leader like Putin, not the pair of mom jeans we have now.


I didn't order any poeslaw.  I asked for a salad.
 
2014-05-04 01:47:40 PM  

Marmilman: Pro Ukrainians have now mobilized against the mob of separatists in Odessa.


I've only seen that they've declared mobilization and expect help from self-defense brigades from Kiev and Kharkov. This is the recent picture I've found in Odessa's news - pro-Maidan forces gathering near Duke statue:  dumskaya.net

We'll see how it will develop and if it'll be enough.

Marmilman: Also, I think they confirmed a good portion of the arrested individuals were also from Transdniestria


I haven't seen such confirmations, I can't find any mentioned in Ukraine news sites. There is a confirmation that 3 persons from those arrested were from Russia, with photos, names and passport scans.

Also, I've only seen that 14 dead bodies were identified so far, all Ukrainians.
 
2014-05-04 01:50:11 PM  

shower_in_my_socks: Brick-House: How's that Peace Prize working out for you BOB?


It's working great, @sshole. Thank you for asking. Osama bin Laden and Gaddafi are dead, we've finally wound down the Iraq debacle started by the previous warmongering administration, and we're GTFO of Afghanistan. We have absolutely no control over soccer hooligans rioting in Ukraine, but thanks for assuming Obama was so amazing that he could stop that if he wanted to. Have a delightful Sunday.


riquard.nl

 
2014-05-04 01:53:59 PM  

BolloxReader: The jig is almost up. Ukraine isn't going to roll over like Putin thought. Poland is itching for Russia to openly invade so they can rush to Ukraine's aid. The Baltics have said they would follow. Moldavia will probably join in. Russia goes into any of those countries, the rest of NATO will join in.

Splitters in Ukraine aren't anywhere near a majority in any area. If they were the eastern area would be in flames rather than just small spurts of trouble being solved by football hooligans.

Problem is if Putin backs down he is going to lose a lot of support at home. If he doesn't back down he will probably end up losing a lot of territory-- Chechnya and Kaliningrad come to mind. Kaliningrad is indefensible. I see a lot of payback coming from some very pissed off countries. I doubt we'd have to do more than shove weapons and ammo into their hands.


You're nuts if you think that the West has the balls to forcefully take Russian-populated Kaliningrad from Russia.
 
2014-05-04 01:58:53 PM  

Amish Tech Support: I've been reading user comments on a lot of major western news sites regarding Ukraine. CNN, Rueters, BBC ect. I've noticed a pattern of very pro Russian posts made in broken English on all of them. For example a pro Russian post from a guy named "SanfranDav" who repeatedly uses the word "petrol". Nobody in California uses that word.

I guess it could be a fluke, but then again if it's not I would like to congratulate Putin on his trolling skills.

\Just because the aliens put a chip in my head doesn't make me paranoid.


Have noticed this as well.

There is a long thread on the crisis in Ukraine over on City-Data's forums, was decent at first but now it's a vortex of propaganda and Kremlin apologists/trolls.
 
2014-05-04 02:01:43 PM  
Huh:

***
But Sergey said he saw someone "on the third floor throw a Molotov cocktail through the closed window. However, the glass didn't break and a fire started inside".
***

So that's what I saw in this video:  http://youtu.be/s9AMjLBIliw?t=1m56s  (from here, which contains an explanation, feed it through Google Translate).

Looks like the situation will eventually grow completely out of control, which can only play in the hands of Putler and his communist cronies. Although the Ukrainian people have shown remarkable restraint.
 
2014-05-04 02:04:47 PM  

Marmilman: Also, I think they confirmed a good portion of the arrested individuals were also from Transdniestria


A witness from Odessa on the forum I'm reading (I would say a rather reliable guy, trying to be neutral, judging by his history) went to watch the standoff with police, and said that pretty much every arrested pro-Russian guy who was freed was met by relatives (lot's of crying babushkas in the crowd, he said), so it's unlikely a significant number of arrested were not from Odessa.
 
2014-05-04 02:22:46 PM  

Grahor: Marmilman: Also, I think they confirmed a good portion of the arrested individuals were also from TransdniestriaI haven't seen such confirmations, I can't find any mentioned in Ukraine news sites. There is a confirmation that 3 persons from those arrested were from Russia, with photos, names and passport scans.


See post at 4:20 p.m. Link

Police: Majority of detained in Odesa are Russians, residents of Transnistria

4:20 p.m. - Most of the 172 people who were detained in Odesa on May 2 during clashes between pro-Ukrainians and Russian separatists were either from Russia or the breakaway region of Transnistria in Moldova where many ethnic Russians live, UNIAN reports citing the Interior Ministry. - Mark Rachkevyvch
 
2014-05-04 02:23:25 PM  

The Bestest: mark12A:

I generally respect your insights in space threads but I gotta be frank, you're out of your element here, Donnie.

I'm a self-admitted imperialist in terms of foreign policy, and I gotta say we're playing Ukraine exactly like we should so far, given: A) Western Europe's timidity on the matter B) Ukraine internally doesn't even know what they want (we'll see what happens in the week following the May 25th election) and C) while a very easy short term win for Russia (Crimea's annexation) the long term gambit is ultimately a loss for them. Never interrupt your adversary when they're making a mistake.


Exactly, escalation in this from Ukraine is just going to get those 40 thousand Russian troops out on spring early summer exercises to roll to Keiv and the Dnieper River line. Response from NATO could land Eastern Europe in a Hot War no seen since may of 1945.
 
2014-05-04 02:26:17 PM  

tinfoil-hat maggie: The Bestest: mark12A:

I generally respect your insights in space threads but I gotta be frank, you're out of your element here, Donnie.

I'm a self-admitted imperialist in terms of foreign policy, and I gotta say we're playing Ukraine exactly like we should so far, given: A) Western Europe's timidity on the matter B) Ukraine internally doesn't even know what they want (we'll see what happens in the week following the May 25th election) and C) while a very easy short term win for Russia (Crimea's annexation) the long term gambit is ultimately a loss for them. Never interrupt your adversary when they're making a mistake.

Exactly, escalation in this from Ukraine is just going to get those 40 thousand Russian troops out on spring early summer exercises to roll to Keiv and the Dnieper River line. Response from NATO could land Eastern Europe in a Hot War no seen since may of 1945.


OTOH, no response from NATO could result in a Cold War not seen since 1991.
 
2014-05-04 02:42:06 PM  

traylor: See post at 4:20 p.m. Link


Oh, come on.

That's not confirmation. First of all, "separatists set themselves on fire", while it's absolutely farking clear on videos that at least 10 molotov's cocktales went from pro-Maidan side into the building, causing a particularly large and spreading fire in the second store of the building, on the right side, while the single incident of self-inflicted fire on the third store have happened relatively early in the confrontation and went out relatively quickly, without spreading? Really?

Secondly, "UNIAN reports citing the Interior Ministry" is not a confirmation, it's a rumor. The article from UNIAN in the next day says "3 of those arrested are confirmed as Russian citizens" - you can use google translator.  http://www.unian.net/politics/914246-sbu-i-mid-rossiyane-prichastnyi- k -provokatsiyam-i-besporyadkam-v-odesse.html

That's what confirmation is, and 3 out of 127 is not a majority.
 
2014-05-04 02:43:11 PM  

traylor: OTOH, no response from NATO could result in a Cold War not seen since 1991.


Cold war beats hot war any day.
 
2014-05-04 02:46:12 PM  

Mister Peejay: alice_600: So what happens now? Do we send the Ukraine weapons? Do we put troops on the ground?

Can we stay the fark out of other peoples' business?  Can we try that one?


To this I respond, just how many countries needs to be aggressively conquered before we do anything? You know, Putin isn't going to stop until the west stops him, right?
 
2014-05-04 02:56:57 PM  

Spare Me: To this I respond, just how many countries needs to be aggressively conquered before we do anything? You know, Putin isn't going to stop until the west stops him, right?


It is not Brave Defenders of Democracy Across the World who are going to stop Putin, but internal Russian problems.

There are plenty of innocent blood flowing across the world. Why don't you go stop some other dictator? I mean, there is Libya that was bravely freed from the clutches of the authoritarian regime some years ago. Now it's a hellhole where blood flows freely. Just yesterday at least 10 more people were killed in a civil war there, just in the city of Benghazi.

Why don't you turn your attention there for a change? Leave Putin to Europe. Stop trying to solve internal problems of Ukraine - yes, caused, no doubt, by Russian propaganda, but still in vast majority internal - by trying to incite more violence! And stop promoting guns as a solution to everything - they kill each other aplenty without guns!
 
2014-05-04 03:06:25 PM  
Guess we know what to do when we catch 'em boys....


-lights up cigar-

Bar-B Q.
 
2014-05-04 03:13:10 PM  

Grahor: traylor: OTOH, no response from NATO could result in a Cold War not seen since 1991.

Cold war beats hot war any day.


23 October 1956 and 21 August 1968 would disagree with you. Also your grandchildren, who will remember you as a coward cocksucker.
 
2014-05-04 03:21:09 PM  

traylor: 23 October 1956 and 21 August 1968 would disagree with you. Also your grandchildren, who will remember you as a coward cocksucker.


*shrug* at least I'll have grandchildren. And not their graves. Imagine yourself standing near the graves of your children and saying to them: "but at least we were brave. Totally worth it, you have to agree."
 
2014-05-04 03:30:58 PM  

ciberido: pstudent12: http://www.zerohedge.com/contributed/2014-05-04/whats-really-going-od e ssa-ukraine

Zero Hedge.  Complete with a banner add for EndOfAmerica.com.  Nice.


Shouldn't you be off, goose stepping somewhere ciberido?

http://www.counterpunch.org/2014/05/02/obamas-new-ukraine/
 
2014-05-04 03:35:52 PM  

Grahor: traylor: 23 October 1956 and 21 August 1968 would disagree with you. Also your grandchildren, who will remember you as a coward cocksucker.

*shrug* at least I'll have grandchildren. And not their graves. Imagine yourself standing near the graves of your children and saying to them: "but at least we were brave. Totally worth it, you have to agree."


I'd rather see my kids dead in graves than living under oppression.
 
2014-05-04 03:48:53 PM  

traylor: I'd rather see my kids dead in graves than living under oppression.


I don't think that the difference in values here may be resolved by a discussion.
 
2014-05-04 03:49:28 PM  
ferrellgummit.files.wordpress.com
 
2014-05-04 04:06:14 PM  
Holy flaming Russians!
 
2014-05-04 04:10:30 PM  
The Bestest: I generally respect your insights in space threads but I gotta be frank, you're out of your element here, Donnie.

I'm a self-admitted imperialist in terms of foreign policy, and I gotta say we're playing Ukraine exactly like we should so far, given: A) Western Europe's timidity on the matter B) Ukraine internally doesn't even know what they want (we'll see what happens in the week following the May 25th election) and C) while a very easy short term win for Russia (Crimea's annexation) the long term gambit is ultimately a loss for them. Never interrupt your adversary when they're making a mistake.


This isn't about Ukraine. This is about housebreaking Russia so they'll play nicely with the world. Allowing Russia to get away with these shenanigans is not going to satisfy them. It will only embolden them to cause more crap around Europe and the rest of the world. They need to get their noses whacked.  I don't care about Ukraine. I care about avoiding another mass build up of paranoia leading to a massive arms race in Europe and the rest of the world. I'd rather spend money on space exploration, not deploying a massive missile shield in Europe for Cold War 2.0.

/"if we just let him have Poland, he'll behave himself"
 
2014-05-04 04:14:10 PM  

pstudent12: ciberido: pstudent12: http://www.zerohedge.com/contributed/2014-05-04/whats-really-going-od e ssa-ukraine

Zero Hedge.  Complete with a banner add for EndOfAmerica.com.  Nice.

Shouldn't you be off, goose stepping somewhere ciberido?

http://www.counterpunch.org/2014/05/02/obamas-new-ukraine/


Coming from a liar like you, I take that as a compliment, so thank you.
 
2014-05-04 04:19:18 PM  

mark12A: They need to get their noses whacked.


May I ask how exactly the whacking can be accomplished?

I'm just really curious.

What imaginable scenario can there be where Russia gets its nose whacked?
 
2014-05-04 04:46:56 PM  
The problem is that these "massacres" will become part of the culture and the hate will continue generation after generation, with the parents spoon-feeding the hatred into their sons and daughters. Repeat, repeat..in most cases, the forget why the fight started in the first place.

Most cases, it gives the  frustrated unemployed hormone-fueled youths something to get involved with - they can be easily duped into believing simply destroying your existing regime will solve ALL your problems, gives you a livelihood and make everything puppydogs and rainbows.
 
2014-05-04 04:54:08 PM  

Mein Fuhrer I Can Walk: DarkSoulNoHope: Glad too see those "pro-Russian protestors" with body armor, Russian military rifles and equpment find that it's really hard to escape fire when you're trying to illegally annex a country for your Putin.

IT KEEPS HAPPENING

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FTFA: The pro-Russians tried to make a last stand on the steps of the House of Trade Unions, throwing up barricades around the great stone pillars in front of the doors. Finally, they were forced to retreat inside.

Dead Russian protestors on the Odessa Steps?  I know Putin wants to crank the clock back to pre-1917, but the 1905 revolution?  Really?

In Tom Clancy's WW3 novel "Red Storm Rising", the Soviets laid the propaganda groundwork for their planned invasion of West Germany in part by appropriating old propaganda memes from Sergei Eisenstein's movie "Alexander Nevsky", to get their own people pumped up to kill Germans.  Now Putin's appropriating old propaganda memes from Eisenstein's movie "Battleship Potempkin"....apparently forgetting that this particular movie was NOT about getting the Russians pumped up to kill foreigners, but to KILL THE GUY RUNNING RUSSIA.  It was about retroactively justifying the overthrow and execution of the Tsar.  This is gonna blow up in Putin's face, mark my words.
 
2014-05-04 04:54:31 PM  

Grahor: mark12A: They need to get their noses whacked.

May I ask how exactly the whacking can be accomplished?

I'm just really curious.

What imaginable scenario can there be where Russia gets its nose whacked?


maybe russia is out playing with its new sharp gardening tools, and WHOOPS!  somebody call an ambulance!
 
2014-05-04 05:25:36 PM  

BolloxReader: The jig is almost up. Ukraine isn't going to roll over like Putin thought. Poland is itching for Russia to openly invade so they can rush to Ukraine's aid. The Baltics have said they would follow. Moldavia will probably join in. Russia goes into any of those countries, the rest of NATO will join in.

Splitters in Ukraine aren't anywhere near a majority in any area. If they were the eastern area would be in flames rather than just small spurts of trouble being solved by football hooligans.

Problem is if Putin backs down he is going to lose a lot of support at home. If he doesn't back down he will probably end up losing a lot of territory-- Chechnya and Kaliningrad come to mind. Kaliningrad is indefensible. I see a lot of payback coming from some very pissed off countries. I doubt we'd have to do more than shove weapons and ammo into their hands.


I got to agree Putin is most likely desperately trying to find a way to save face.  he knows he is pretty much between a rock and a hard place,  he can't invade Ukraine with out getting the Russian military exposed for what it is , A Military unready for a conflict with the west.

He can't back down with out losing face and support at home and worse having to give up Crimea and losing that port for good.
 
2014-05-04 05:48:16 PM  

grimlock1972: BolloxReader: The jig is almost up. Ukraine isn't going to roll over like Putin thought. Poland is itching for Russia to openly invade so they can rush to Ukraine's aid. The Baltics have said they would follow. Moldavia will probably join in. Russia goes into any of those countries, the rest of NATO will join in.

Splitters in Ukraine aren't anywhere near a majority in any area. If they were the eastern area would be in flames rather than just small spurts of trouble being solved by football hooligans.

Problem is if Putin backs down he is going to lose a lot of support at home. If he doesn't back down he will probably end up losing a lot of territory-- Chechnya and Kaliningrad come to mind. Kaliningrad is indefensible. I see a lot of payback coming from some very pissed off countries. I doubt we'd have to do more than shove weapons and ammo into their hands.

I got to agree Putin is most likely desperately trying to find a way to save face.  he knows he is pretty much between a rock and a hard place,  he can't invade Ukraine with out getting the Russian military exposed for what it is , A Military unready for a conflict with the west.

He can't back down with out losing face and support at home and worse having to give up Crimea and losing that port for good.


Ya know I would love my leaders more if they just took failure with grace and accept that they lost.
 
2014-05-04 05:57:50 PM  

ciberido: pstudent12: ciberido: pstudent12: http://www.zerohedge.com/contributed/2014-05-04/whats-really-going-od e ssa-ukraine

Zero Hedge.  Complete with a banner add for EndOfAmerica.com.  Nice.

Shouldn't you be off, goose stepping somewhere ciberido?

http://www.counterpunch.org/2014/05/02/obamas-new-ukraine/

Coming from a liar like you, I take that as a compliment, so thank you.


Hmm, sounds like you are a ukranian fascist monkey..a rather ham fisted one too, with the one-note ad hominem non sequiturs. Meanwhile, in real news:

http://news.yahoo.com/cia-fbi-agents-advising-ukraine-government-rep or t-101508429.html

When zerohedge, counterpunch (at opposite sides of the pol. spectrum) and now yahoo are reporting pretty much the same thing...US creation and support of the full-on fascist ukranian party, chanting neo-nazi slogans and fire bombing/murdering russians.

Oh, here's the BBC too:
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26079957

http://consortiumnews.com/2014/05/03/will-ukraine-be-nyts-waterloo/
 
2014-05-04 06:17:31 PM  

pstudent12: ciberido: pstudent12: ciberido: pstudent12: http://www.zerohedge.com/contributed/2014-05-04/whats-really-going-od e ssa-ukraine

Zero Hedge.  Complete with a banner add for EndOfAmerica.com.  Nice.

Shouldn't you be off, goose stepping somewhere ciberido?

http://www.counterpunch.org/2014/05/02/obamas-new-ukraine/

Coming from a liar like you, I take that as a compliment, so thank you.

Hmm, sounds like you are a ukranian fascist monkey..a rather ham fisted one too, with the one-note ad hominem non sequiturs. Meanwhile, in real news:

http://news.yahoo.com/cia-fbi-agents-advising-ukraine-government-rep or t-101508429.html

When zerohedge, counterpunch (at opposite sides of the pol. spectrum) and now yahoo are reporting pretty much the same thing...US creation and support of the full-on fascist ukranian party, chanting neo-nazi slogans and fire bombing/murdering russians.

Oh, here's the BBC too:
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26079957

http://consortiumnews.com/2014/05/03/will-ukraine-be-nyts-waterloo/


those poor, innocent Russians who were in no way doing anything violent or mischievous. They were minding their own business. Totally unprovoked.

Don't mind the sniper with the Dragonov shooting Ukrainian protestors and police. He's just shooting Russian peace bullets.
 
2014-05-04 06:18:43 PM  

grimlock1972: He can't back down with out losing face and support at home and worse having to give up Crimea and losing that port for good.


Nah.. he effectively has Crimea for good.. that's pretty much a done deal in all but name. The thing is, that's really not much of a prize in the long run.
 
2014-05-04 06:21:23 PM  

mark12A: The Bestest: I generally respect your insights in space threads but I gotta be frank, you're out of your element here, Donnie.

I'm a self-admitted imperialist in terms of foreign policy, and I gotta say we're playing Ukraine exactly like we should so far, given: A) Western Europe's timidity on the matter B) Ukraine internally doesn't even know what they want (we'll see what happens in the week following the May 25th election) and C) while a very easy short term win for Russia (Crimea's annexation) the long term gambit is ultimately a loss for them. Never interrupt your adversary when they're making a mistake.

This isn't about Ukraine. This is about housebreaking Russia so they'll play nicely with the world. Allowing Russia to get away with these shenanigans is not going to satisfy them. It will only embolden them to cause more crap around Europe and the rest of the world. They need to get their noses whacked.  I don't care about Ukraine. I care about avoiding another mass build up of paranoia leading to a massive arms race in Europe and the rest of the world. I'd rather spend money on space exploration, not deploying a massive missile shield in Europe for Cold War 2.0.

/"if we just let him have Poland, he'll behave himself"


You of course made these points while Bush, with iron determination, was ignoring Russia's moves in Georgia.

At least Obama is doing SOMETHING.
 
2014-05-04 06:22:43 PM  

marius2: Tell you what it be. Russia is not running us, but Russia is all of us. Ukraine petrol is real Russian petrol. West think they have best Ukraine ideas running country, NO! Ukrainerussia is best new Russia. I am live in United State, I am know what best for Ukrussia.


put down the vodka, kommrade.
 
2014-05-04 06:23:31 PM  

pstudent12: ciberido: pstudent12: http://www.zerohedge.com/contributed/2014-05-04/whats-really-going-od e ssa-ukraine

Zero Hedge.  Complete with a banner add for EndOfAmerica.com.  Nice.

Shouldn't you be off, goose stepping somewhere ciberido?

http://www.counterpunch.org/2014/05/02/obamas-new-ukraine/


Seriously?  Your lead quote is from Putin's spokesman.   Now we know what Badgad Bob is up to, I guess...
 
2014-05-04 06:24:29 PM  

some_beer_drinker: put down the vodka, kommrade.


butnerblogspot.files.wordpress.com
 
2014-05-04 06:42:26 PM  

The Bestest: grimlock1972: He can't back down with out losing face and support at home and worse having to give up Crimea and losing that port for good.

Nah.. he effectively has Crimea for good.. that's pretty much a done deal in all but name. The thing is, that's really not much of a prize in the long run.


I'd say the status of Crimea depends on what happens from here. if he backs down and negotiates fairly and cuts Ukraine a good deal he might get to keep Crimea, if it comes down to shooting war he will lose it as Ukraine wants it back,
 
2014-05-04 06:49:14 PM  

FTFA: "There are 32 bodies inside. They are absolutely unrecognisable, simply black from head to foot."


i199.photobucket.com

Got any cream?

/aisle, please
 
2014-05-04 07:00:27 PM  

DarkSoulNoHope: Glad too see those "pro-Russian protestors" with body armor, Russian military rifles and equpment find that it's really hard to escape fire when you're trying to illegally annex a country for your Putin.


1/10

I've just learnt that when I've concluded that someone can't be that stupid they have to be trolling, its translated into "I'm pregnant" for total farkers.

So go pedophile whed your daughter or something. :)
 
2014-05-04 07:01:48 PM  

FiggyPudding: This is not somewhere you want to be.

Link goes to homemade weapons made by Pro Russian supporters

http://www.featureshoot.com/2014/03/tom-jamieson/#!BB4vq


You meant Maiden.
 
2014-05-04 07:06:46 PM  

Grahor: Tellingthem: If these are Russian Special forces they seem to be quite incompetent. If a bunch of amateurs can trap them in a building and kill them.

Those aren't "Russian special forces".

It's Odessa, not Eastern Ukraine. Those uniformed, heavily armed separatists are in Eastern Ukraine. Odessa is Southern Ukraine, far from Eastern borders.

The people in the building are pro-Russians, but they are mostly local pro-Russians.


Yes it is.

Anyone who claims otherwise is a hypocrite.¨

Now hold hands with me as we witness the blissful Americans in their natural form. :)
 
2014-05-04 07:11:15 PM  

fisker: [very clever jpg]


4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2014-05-04 07:13:24 PM  

NewportBarGuy: pstudent12: http://www.zerohedge.com/contributed/2014-05-04/whats-really-going-od e ssa-ukraine

Submitted by George Washington on 05/04/2014 04:02 -0400

Why the hell am I going to listen to some community organizer/domestic terrorist who's been dead for 300 years?


On a website edited and started by a fictional terrorist who ran a bombing operation through a pugilism association.
 
2014-05-04 07:14:08 PM  

traylor: Grahor: traylor: OTOH, no response from NATO could result in a Cold War not seen since 1991.

Cold war beats hot war any day.

23 October 1956 and 21 August 1968 would disagree with you. Also your grandchildren, who will remember you as a coward cocksucker.


He's a Russian Latvian. Seriously.

How about we invent a special language that we can use on international forums, to be spared from the ignorant masses of Americans?

Only those Americans who mastered this language could post.
 
2014-05-04 07:19:11 PM  

Marmilman: Grahor: If anyone is interested in what happens in Odessa now, instead of 2 days ago: a thousand or so pro-Russian protesters gathered around police building in Odessa, demanding freedom for those arrested 2.05.

After couple of hours of standoff all 67 arrested were let go by police. It is said that they all were pro-Russians.

Standoff continues, protesters demand those arrested who were moved outside of Odessa to be brought back.

Kiev's government declared that they have fired all the top of Odessa's police. Like, every single one of the higher police ranks.

Pro Ukrainians have now mobilized against the mob of separatists in Odessa. Also, I think they confirmed a good portion of the arrested individuals were also from Transdniestria


Well thats hardly surprising. They've been hoping to get attention from Russia for farking 20 years.
 
2014-05-04 07:25:33 PM  

Tellingthem: Reverend J: I forget where I read it but a news article was saying that Ukraine was heading towards a "civil war". Does it count as a civil war if the guys that the Ukrainians are fighting against are actually Russian special forces?

/Because I'm sure there are plenty of militias with armed with SAMs out there.

If these are Russian Special forces they seem to be quite incompetent. If a bunch of amateurs can trap them in a building and kill them.


Tell that to the Rangers and CAG squads in Mogadishu. There's only so much you can do when the whole city is out to get you. In Mogadishu they had M16s, LAWs, Blackhawks, APCs, etc. compared to the 1950's era weaponry the people of the city had and some of the finest group tactical training you could expect for a force 6 battalions large. And then there's the CAG guys they were working with. I've had the opportunity to pick the brain of a CAG guy, they're a short ton of death dealing in a 200 lb package.
 
2014-05-04 07:36:12 PM  

TheBigJerk: Okay, you got the pro-Ukrainian forces we'll call Ukes and you got the pro-Russian forces we'll call Semes.  A major soccer game went down, and since both My Politics and My Team are defined by geography, it was semes vs. ukes both in the game and in the streets.



Are you actually trying to teach us the parts of an atom?
i1.ytimg.com
 
2014-05-04 07:43:11 PM  

BigNumber12: BolloxReader: The jig is almost up. Ukraine isn't going to roll over like Putin thought. Poland is itching for Russia to openly invade so they can rush to Ukraine's aid. The Baltics have said they would follow. Moldavia will probably join in. Russia goes into any of those countries, the rest of NATO will join in.

Splitters in Ukraine aren't anywhere near a majority in any area. If they were the eastern area would be in flames rather than just small spurts of trouble being solved by football hooligans.

Problem is if Putin backs down he is going to lose a lot of support at home. If he doesn't back down he will probably end up losing a lot of territory-- Chechnya and Kaliningrad come to mind. Kaliningrad is indefensible. I see a lot of payback coming from some very pissed off countries. I doubt we'd have to do more than shove weapons and ammo into their hands.

You're nuts if you think that the West has the balls to forcefully take Russian-populated Kaliningrad from Russia.


The west does not. But Poland might. I could see Poland rolling in to prevent any issues if things escalate enough. They're not going to sit back and let Russia roll tanks in Ukraine. If Poland plays this correctly they could become the ascendant military power in NATO and the EU.

And what Obama has done since he made those terrible "don't do this or there will be consequences" statement has been correct. There's not much the US can do in this situation. In fact, it's following the "follow and back-up but don't lead" strategy the Obama administration has been practicing since 2008. In this case, it's supporting the surrounding NATO members and letting Ukraine deal with it's own internal problems. You right-wing folks make mighty big statements that your ass cannot cash, and never could. It looks like a muddled response but it's not. It's following the typical Obama Doctrine policy.

One problem with the economic sanctions is that they're targeted and not general. Also, many EU members aren't playing along as fully as they should be because their economy will suffer as well. And China sits over there, twiddling it's thumbs, telling itself that it really shouldn't say anything more.
 
2014-05-04 07:49:07 PM  

Grahor: traylor: OTOH, no response from NATO could result in a Cold War not seen since 1991.

Cold war beats hot war any day.



Sez you. Boys just wanna have FUN.

traylor: Grahor: traylor: OTOH, no response from NATO could result in a Cold War not seen since 1991.

Cold war beats hot war any day.

23 October 1956 and 21 August 1968 would disagree with you. Also your grandchildren, who will remember you as a coward cocksucker.


Yeah. It's better to be a brave cocksucker like me.
 
2014-05-04 08:47:05 PM  

Martin The Mess: In Tom Clancy's WW3 novel "Red Storm Rising", the Soviets laid the propaganda groundwork blah blah blah


i.imgur.com
 
2014-05-04 08:59:25 PM  

Grahor: traylor: OTOH, no response from NATO could result in a Cold War not seen since 1991.

Cold war beats hot war any day.


For real and it's gotta be weird to see so many people willing to through gasoline on the little fire and set Europe ablaze that could only spread world wide.
 
2014-05-04 09:04:20 PM  

Grahor: Spare Me: To this I respond, just how many countries needs to be aggressively conquered before we do anything? You know, Putin isn't going to stop until the west stops him, right?

It is not Brave Defenders of Democracy Across the World who are going to stop Putin, but internal Russian problems.

There are plenty of innocent blood flowing across the world. Why don't you go stop some other dictator? I mean, there is Libya that was bravely freed from the clutches of the authoritarian regime some years ago. Now it's a hellhole where blood flows freely. Just yesterday at least 10 more people were killed in a civil war there, just in the city of Benghazi.

Why don't you turn your attention there for a change? Leave Putin to Europe. Stop trying to solve internal problems of Ukraine - yes, caused, no doubt, by Russian propaganda, but still in vast majority internal - by trying to incite more violence! And stop promoting guns as a solution to everything - they kill each other aplenty without guns!

You sir or madam I have great respect for you and you add so much depth of knowledge to the discussion.
/Welcome back to TF
 
2014-05-04 09:49:16 PM  

Tellingthem: Reverend J: I forget where I read it but a news article was saying that Ukraine was heading towards a "civil war". Does it count as a civil war if the guys that the Ukrainians are fighting against are actually Russian special forces?

/Because I'm sure there are plenty of militias with armed with SAMs out there.

If these are Russian Special forces they seem to be quite incompetent. If a bunch of amateurs can trap them in a building and kill them.


Definitely not spec ops doing crap like this. But where did the organized groups that took buildings get all the hardware?
 
2014-05-04 10:38:13 PM  

ciberido: jso2897: mark12A: SMART DIPLOMACY FTW!

Maybe you should go occupy a government building in protest.

You know we've gone insane when it's the Conservatives who are kowtowing to Russia.  It's a mixed up, muddled up, shook up world we live in.

/Well, except for Lola.


There isn't an oilman's cawk a Republican won't hork, and the Russians haz petrol.
 
2014-05-04 10:40:37 PM  

trotsky: BigNumber12: BolloxReader: The jig is almost up. Ukraine isn't going to roll over like Putin thought. Poland is itching for Russia to openly invade so they can rush to Ukraine's aid. The Baltics have said they would follow. Moldavia will probably join in. Russia goes into any of those countries, the rest of NATO will join in.

Splitters in Ukraine aren't anywhere near a majority in any area. If they were the eastern area would be in flames rather than just small spurts of trouble being solved by football hooligans.

Problem is if Putin backs down he is going to lose a lot of support at home. If he doesn't back down he will probably end up losing a lot of territory-- Chechnya and Kaliningrad come to mind. Kaliningrad is indefensible. I see a lot of payback coming from some very pissed off countries. I doubt we'd have to do more than shove weapons and ammo into their hands.

You're nuts if you think that the West has the balls to forcefully take Russian-populated Kaliningrad from Russia.

The west does not. But Poland might. I could see Poland rolling in to prevent any issues if things escalate enough. They're not going to sit back and let Russia roll tanks in Ukraine. If Poland plays this correctly they could become the ascendant military power in NATO and the EU.

And what Obama has done since he made those terrible "don't do this or there will be consequences" statement has been correct. There's not much the US can do in this situation. In fact, it's following the "follow and back-up but don't lead" strategy the Obama administration has been practicing since 2008. In this case, it's supporting the surrounding NATO members and letting Ukraine deal with it's own internal problems. You right-wing folks make mighty big statements that your ass cannot cash, and never could. It looks like a muddled response but it's not. It's following the typical Obama Doctrine policy.

One problem with the economic sanctions is that they're targeted and not general. Also, many EU membe ...


Yep - Poland was my #1 for "actually might."  But the rest of NATO, and certainly the UN, would lose their shiat over such land-grabbing by a not-Russia.

Also - why am I  "you right-wing folks?" Trying to live up to your handle?
 
2014-05-04 10:40:42 PM  
Health care.
 
2014-05-04 10:50:41 PM  

pstudent12: ciberido: pstudent12: ciberido: pstudent12: http://www.zerohedge.com/contributed/2014-05-04/whats-really-going-od e ssa-ukraine

Zero Hedge.  Complete with a banner add for EndOfAmerica.com.  Nice.

Shouldn't you be off, goose stepping somewhere ciberido?

http://www.counterpunch.org/2014/05/02/obamas-new-ukraine/

Coming from a liar like you, I take that as a compliment, so thank you.

Hmm, sounds like you are a ukranian fascist monkey..a rather ham fisted one too, with the one-note ad hominem non sequiturs. Meanwhile, in real news:

http://news.yahoo.com/cia-fbi-agents-advising-ukraine-government-rep or t-101508429.html

When zerohedge, counterpunch (at opposite sides of the pol. spectrum) and now yahoo are reporting pretty much the same thing...US creation and support of the full-on fascist ukranian party, chanting neo-nazi slogans and fire bombing/murdering russians.

Oh, here's the BBC too:
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26079957

http://consortiumnews.com/2014/05/03/will-ukraine-be-nyts-waterloo/


Didn't see any fascism reference in that BBC article; I'm calling you out as a dizinformMATsiya mazzafacka.
 
2014-05-04 10:59:14 PM  

Duane Dibbley: TheBigJerk: Okay, you got the pro-Ukrainian forces we'll call Ukes and you got the pro-Russian forces we'll call Semes.  A major soccer game went down, and since both My Politics and My Team are defined by geography, it was semes vs. ukes both in the game and in the streets.


Are you actually trying to teach us the parts of an atom?
[i1.ytimg.com image 480x360]


Actually I was hoping someone would catch the Shonen-Ai/yaoi reference and hilarity would ensue.
 
2014-05-05 12:02:42 AM  

BolshyGreatYarblocks: ciberido: jso2897: mark12A: SMART DIPLOMACY FTW!

Maybe you should go occupy a government building in protest.

You know we've gone insane when it's the Conservatives who are kowtowing to Russia.  It's a mixed up, muddled up, shook up world we live in.

/Well, except for Lola.

There isn't an oilman's cawk a Republican won't hork, and the Russians haz petrol.


Ah, today's Democrat. "There's nothing wrong with being gay, until I need to use it as a cutting insult!"
 
2014-05-05 12:12:25 AM  

EdNortonsTwin: mark12A: Yeah. Obama has really done a shiatty job of running the Ukraine. I'll never vote for him again.

He's done an outstanding job of destroying America's credibility and influence in the world by projecting his total wussiness in foreign policy. His incompetence has cost lives, and may end up starting the next world war in Europe because he simply will not be assertive.

So what happens now? Do we send the Ukraine weapons? Do we put troops on the ground?

Quietly inform the Russian government that if they don't stop farking with Ukraine, we'll start arming Chechens, Siberian separatists, etc. and let them turn Moscow into one big Kabul....

Peace thru war.  Yeaaaaaa....


24.media.tumblr.com
 
2014-05-05 02:54:34 AM  

spawn73: How about we invent a special language that we can use on international forums, to be spared from the ignorant masses of Americans?

Only those Americans who mastered this language could post.


The guy posting is not an American, he is Hungarian. I may disagree with his opinion strongly, but at least he likely has an idea what is oppression and how hot hot war may be. :)

 

runescorpio: Definitely not spec ops doing crap like this. But where did the organized groups that took buildings get all the hardware?


The group in Odessa didn't have any of the hardware. They had some guns, which were mostly armed by rubber bullets (by the words of the doctors in Odessa, treating wounded; most wounds were caused by rubber bullets, it's possible that some were caused by live rounds, but no undeniable evidence of that).

Also, if you think that Poland would roll the army into Ukraine as its own country and NOT a part of a real, joint NATO operation you are delusional. And if you think that Baltic countries will do _anything_ that may be considered by Russia as provocation - you seriously underestimate how scared we are.
 
2014-05-05 08:42:50 AM  
If anyone is interested: I believe that this article correctly describes the majority of separatists in the East Ukraine.  http://www.nytimes.com/2014/05/04/world/europe/behind-the-masks-in-uk r aine-many-faces-of-rebellion.html

Please don't confuse them with those in South Ukraine and Odessa, the situation is very different there. :)
 
2014-05-05 10:16:58 AM  

BigNumber12: BolshyGreatYarblocks: ciberido: jso2897: mark12A: SMART DIPLOMACY FTW!

Maybe you should go occupy a government building in protest.

You know we've gone insane when it's the Conservatives who are kowtowing to Russia.  It's a mixed up, muddled up, shook up world we live in.

/Well, except for Lola.

There isn't an oilman's cawk a Republican won't hork, and the Russians haz petrol.

Ah, today's Democrat. "There's nothing wrong with being gay, until I need to use it as a cutting insult!"


If it matters, I picked "kowtow" because I think the fellatio metaphor is overused.  I don't know that it's necessarily a metaphor about homosexuality, since the person performing fellatio could be female.  But I'm not terribly fond of the idea that performing fellatio is an act of submission, or somehow degrading.
 
2014-05-05 07:43:24 PM  

ciberido: I don't know that it's necessarily a metaphor about homosexuality, since the person performing fellatio could be female


Oh come on, this is Fark, where the men are men, the women are men, and the conservatives are liberal plants.
 
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