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2014-05-04 12:30:30 PM  

Tellingthem: If these are Russian Special forces they seem to be quite incompetent. If a bunch of amateurs can trap them in a building and kill them.


Those aren't "Russian special forces".

It's Odessa, not Eastern Ukraine. Those uniformed, heavily armed separatists are in Eastern Ukraine. Odessa is Southern Ukraine, far from Eastern borders.

The people in the building are pro-Russians, but they are mostly local pro-Russians.
 
2014-05-04 12:38:52 PM  

img.fark.net


Of course, of course we should feel bad for pro-Russian separatists burned in a building fire. Of course we should. ...but maybe, MAYBE you shouldn't revolt against your own country and attempt to split it apart, kill people and take over government buildings.
 
2014-05-04 12:40:45 PM  

jso2897: Brick-House: How's that Peace Prize working out for you BOB?

[www.zerohedge.com image 750x554]

Yeah. Obama has really done a shiatty job of running the Ukraine. I'll never vote for him again.


Glad to see at least some Farkers understand the cabal of Obama-Handler's failed plans.
 
2014-05-04 12:43:19 PM  

Whatchoo Talkinbout: What can be said with certainty is that trouble began ahead of a football match between the home side, Chornomorets Odessa, and the visitors, Metalist Kharkiv.

Soccer Hooligans, ya gotta love em.


That's the only militia some countries have.
 
2014-05-04 12:43:58 PM  
Brick-House: How's that Peace Prize working out for you BOB?


It's working great, @sshole. Thank you for asking. Osama bin Laden and Gaddafi are dead, we've finally wound down the Iraq debacle started by the previous warmongering administration, and we're GTFO of Afghanistan. We have absolutely no control over soccer hooligans rioting in Ukraine, but thanks for assuming Obama was so amazing that he could stop that if he wanted to. Have a delightful Sunday.
 
2014-05-04 12:44:06 PM  

Aar1012: mark12A: Yeah. Obama has really done a shiatty job of running the Ukraine. I'll never vote for him again.

He's done an outstanding job of destroying America's credibility and influence in the world by projecting his total wussiness in foreign policy. His incompetence has cost lives, and may end up starting the next world war in Europe because he simply will not be assertive.

So what happens now? Do we send the Ukraine weapons? Do we put troops on the ground?

Quietly inform the Russian government that if they don't stop farking with Ukraine, we'll start arming Chechens, Siberian separatists, etc. and let them turn Moscow into one big Kabul....

And when Russia responds by arming Texas separatists? Alaskan Separatists? The Bundy Ranch?

When does it end?


It's America asshole, the people are free to arm themselves.
 
2014-05-04 12:45:59 PM  

BolloxReader: Poland is itching for Russia to openly invade so they can rush to Ukraine's aid.


[citation needed]
 
2014-05-04 12:46:02 PM  

sendtodave: Ukraine dance if you want to
Ukraine leave your friends behind


Damn you all to hell.
 
2014-05-04 12:47:55 PM  

The Bestest: Never interrupt your adversary when they're making a mistake.


I've got to steal this.Thanks!
 
2014-05-04 12:49:06 PM  
What happened was that pro-Russian gunmen attacked a group of pro-Ukrainian demonstrators, resulting in a running gunbattle between the pro-Russian and pro-Ukrainian groups, ending with the pro-Russians being holed up in the trade building, where they continued to fire at the pro-Ukrainian militants outside from. Then the pro-Ukrainians set the building on fire with molotov cocktails, and 30-some of the Pro-Russian group died in the burning building. I've heard some reports that molotovs were being thrown both into and out of the building, but I don't know if that's true.

The police in Odessa, meanwhile, apparently stood by and did next to nothing either when the pro-Russians were attacking the Ukrainian group or at the burning trade building, although they apparently did try and keep some separated pro-Russian militants from being beaten to death by mobs.

Whole thing's farked up.
 
2014-05-04 12:50:51 PM  

Aar1012: mark12A: Yeah. Obama has really done a shiatty job of running the Ukraine. I'll never vote for him again.

He's done an outstanding job of destroying America's credibility and influence in the world by projecting his total wussiness in foreign policy. His incompetence has cost lives, and may end up starting the next world war in Europe because he simply will not be assertive.

So what happens now? Do we send the Ukraine weapons? Do we put troops on the ground?

Quietly inform the Russian government that if they don't stop farking with Ukraine, we'll start arming Chechens, Siberian separatists, etc. and let them turn Moscow into one big Kabul....

And when Russia responds by arming Texas separatists? Alaskan Separatists? The Bundy Ranch?



They probably already are. There must be some reason all our resident right wing traitors idolize Pooty-poot so slavishly.
 
2014-05-04 12:51:22 PM  

mark12A: Yeah. Obama has really done a shiatty job of running the Ukraine. I'll never vote for him again.

He's done an outstanding job of destroying America's credibility and influence in the world by projecting his total wussiness in foreign policy. His incompetence has cost lives, and may end up starting the next world war in Europe because he simply will not be assertive.

So what happens now? Do we send the Ukraine weapons? Do we put troops on the ground?

Quietly inform the Russian government that if they don't stop farking with Ukraine, we'll start arming Chechens, Siberian separatists, etc. and let them turn Moscow into one big Kabul....


Meh
3/10

/although the Russian judge did give the first part a 9, so that scewed the results
 
rpl
2014-05-04 12:51:24 PM  

FiggyPudding: This is not somewhere you want to be.

Link goes to homemade weapons made by Pro Russian Maidan supporters

http://www.featureshoot.com/2014/03/tom-jamieson/#!BB4vq


FTFY. The whole article is one paragraph for chrissakes
 
2014-05-04 12:52:01 PM  

jaybeezey: It's America asshole


Ukraine? I thought that was Newark.
 
2014-05-04 12:55:40 PM  

Need_MindBleach: What happened was that pro-Russian gunmen attacked a group of pro-Ukrainian demonstrators, resulting in a running gunbattle between the pro-Russian and pro-Ukrainian groups



You're lying.
 
2014-05-04 01:00:52 PM  

Tellingthem: Reverend J: I forget where I read it but a news article was saying that Ukraine was heading towards a "civil war". Does it count as a civil war if the guys that the Ukrainians are fighting against are actually Russian special forces?

/Because I'm sure there are plenty of militias with armed with SAMs out there.

If these are Russian Special forces they seem to be quite incompetent. If a bunch of amateurs can trap them in a building and kill them.


You know how we can tell that you have no tactical training?
SpecOps are not the invincible super soldiers on your Xbox. Their real missions tend to be much different from the movies.
 
2014-05-04 01:02:33 PM  

oopsminded: Need_MindBleach: What happened was that pro-Russian gunmen attacked a group of pro-Ukrainian demonstrators, resulting in a running gunbattle between the pro-Russian and pro-Ukrainian groups


You're lying.



Then the article's lying, because that's a summary of what it said happened. Pro-Ukraine soccer fans had a planned march, and pro-Russians attacked it in what was described as a planned attack. In the Ensuing street battle, the pro-Russians lost.
 
2014-05-04 01:03:33 PM  

Tman144: Maul555: Amish Tech Support: I've been reading user comments on a lot of major western news sites regarding Ukraine. CNN, Rueters, BBC ect. I've noticed a pattern of very pro Russian posts made in broken English on all of them. For example a pro Russian post from a guy named "SanfranDav" who repeatedly uses the word "petrol". Nobody in California uses that word.

I guess it could be a fluke, but then again if it's not I would like to congratulate Putin on his trolling skills.

\Just because the aliens put a chip in my head doesn't make me paranoid.

Believe me... You are not the first person to notice awkwardly written pro-russian comments on articles all over the web since this shiat began...  There is definatly some sort of disinformation campaign going on outside of the region, as well as inside...

How much is the CIA paying you to spread this counter-disinformation?!?!?

/not everything is a conspiracy
//everyone who disagrees with you is a paid government troll
///there are no Russian immigrants in America, none


How much are they paying you ya commie bastard? And what did you do with Amelia Earhart?
 
2014-05-04 01:09:00 PM  

trevzie: Amish Tech Support: I've been reading user comments on a lot of major western news sites regarding Ukraine. CNN, Rueters, BBC ect. I've noticed a pattern of very pro Russian posts made in broken English on all of them. For example a pro Russian post from a guy named "SanfranDav" who repeatedly uses the word "petrol". Nobody in California uses that word.

I guess it could be a fluke, but then again if it's not I would like to congratulate Putin on his trolling skills.

\Just because the aliens put a chip in my head doesn't make me paranoid.

I've noticed this also


You should read the comments on RT.com. But only if you have a sturdy BS filter.
 
2014-05-04 01:09:41 PM  

Bit'O'Gristle: Ok, sadly i am not up really on what the hell is going on over there. I know russian forces are poised like a german shorthair on a bird on the border, but who are the people who are killing one another, and why? I'm not really understanding what is going on here.


/Anyone? Please?


No one knows.

Okay, you got the pro-Ukrainian forces we'll call Ukes and you got the pro-Russian forces we'll call Semes.  A major soccer game went down, and since both My Politics and My Team are defined by geography, it was semes vs. ukes both in the game and in the streets.

So the semes showed up ready to riot and the ukes did the same, doesn't matter who started it, the rumble was gonna happen.

The semes were outnumbered though, so despite showing up for a fight they lost and started running.  They fled to a building where they barricaded and started throwing molotov cocktails.  Ukes responded in kind and suddenly the barricaded building was on fire.  From the looks of things the Semes started the fire inside by accident, but in a fight like this no one is going to say, "yeah, my side screwed up," so it's finger-pointing and screaming all around.

Now some of the Ukes helped some of the Semes escape, but at least 32 Semes were trapped by the mob or the fear and burned to death inside the building.
 
2014-05-04 01:09:49 PM  
ENOUGH! ENOUGH! ENOUGH! ENOUGH! ENOUGH!

Russia get over it! Your girlfriend the Ukraine married another guy! Get over it! She's happy be happy for her.

Russia, your ideas are old and backwards because your country wasn't involved in the enlightenment of 17th and 18th centuries. It took an Emperor sneaking over to western Europe working among the working people there to give you guys the technology and philosophy that had been around for a hundred years or so.
 
2014-05-04 01:11:55 PM  
If anyone is interested in what happens in Odessa now, instead of 2 days ago: a thousand or so pro-Russian protesters gathered around police building in Odessa, demanding freedom for those arrested 2.05.

After couple of hours of standoff all 67 arrested were let go by police. It is said that they all were pro-Russians.

Standoff continues, protesters demand those arrested who were moved outside of Odessa to be brought back.

Kiev's government declared that they have fired all the top of Odessa's police. Like, every single one of the higher police ranks.
 
2014-05-04 01:16:09 PM  

Need_MindBleach: What happened was that pro-Russian gunmen attacked a group of pro-Ukrainian demonstrators, resulting in a running gunbattle between the pro-Russian and pro-Ukrainian groups, ending with the pro-Russians being holed up in the trade building, where they continued to fire at the pro-Ukrainian militants outside from. Then the pro-Ukrainians set the building on fire with molotov cocktails, and 30-some of the Pro-Russian group died in the burning building. I've heard some reports that molotovs were being thrown both into and out of the building, but I don't know if that's true.

The police in Odessa, meanwhile, apparently stood by and did next to nothing either when the pro-Russians were attacking the Ukrainian group or at the burning trade building, although they apparently did try and keep some separated pro-Russian militants from being beaten to death by mobs.

Whole thing's farked up.


Look, when there's a soccer riot you keep your distance.  Soccer hooligans are farking crazy.
 
2014-05-04 01:18:03 PM  

alice_600: Russia get over it! Your girlfriend the Ukraine married another guy! Get over it! She's happy be happy for her.


I'm afraid it's not as easy as you think.

alice_600: Russia, your ideas are old and backwards because your country wasn't involved in the enlightenment of 17th and 18th centuries. It took an Emperor sneaking over to western Europe working among the working people there to give you guys the technology and philosophy that had been around for a hundred years or so.


Same Emperor bequeathed that Russia should rule the Eastern Europe with iron fist and should keep the western Europe afraid of Russia. He wasn't giving the technology and philosophy to Russia so that Russia would become a friend of Europe.

*shrug* anyway, it's not up to even Putin, at this time.
 
2014-05-04 01:20:53 PM  

mark12A: Yeah. Obama has really done a shiatty job of running the Ukraine. I'll never vote for him again.

He's done an outstanding job of destroying America's credibility and influence in the world by projecting his total wussiness in foreign policy. His incompetence has cost lives, and may end up starting the next world war in Europe because he simply will not be assertive.

So what happens now? Do we send the Ukraine weapons? Do we put troops on the ground?

Quietly inform the Russian government that if they don't stop farking with Ukraine, we'll start arming Chechens, Siberian separatists, etc. and let them turn Moscow into one big Kabul....


Peace thru war.  Yeaaaaaa....
 
2014-05-04 01:23:41 PM  

Grahor: If anyone is interested in what happens in Odessa now, instead of 2 days ago: a thousand or so pro-Russian protesters gathered around police building in Odessa, demanding freedom for those arrested 2.05.

After couple of hours of standoff all 67 arrested were let go by police. It is said that they all were pro-Russians.

Standoff continues, protesters demand those arrested who were moved outside of Odessa to be brought back.

Kiev's government declared that they have fired all the top of Odessa's police. Like, every single one of the higher police ranks.


Pro Ukrainians have now mobilized against the mob of separatists in Odessa. Also, I think they confirmed a good portion of the arrested individuals were also from Transdniestria
 
2014-05-04 01:33:28 PM  

pstudent12: http://www.zerohedge.com/contributed/2014-05-04/whats-really-going-od e ssa-ukraine


Zero Hedge.  Complete with a banner add for EndOfAmerica.com.  Nice.
 
2014-05-04 01:38:15 PM  

jso2897: mark12A: SMART DIPLOMACY FTW!

Maybe you should go occupy a government building in protest.


You know we've gone insane when it's the Conservatives who are kowtowing to Russia.  It's a mixed up, muddled up, shook up world we live in.

/Well, except for Lola.
 
2014-05-04 01:38:43 PM  
Russia has been in full propaganda and deception mode for weeks and obfuscating their lies with a little bit of truth.  I haven't seen this much state run bullshiat since the run-up to the invasion if Iraq.
 
2014-05-04 01:40:02 PM  

Maul555: Amish Tech Support: I've been reading user comments on a lot of major western news sites regarding Ukraine. CNN, Rueters, BBC ect. I've noticed a pattern of very pro Russian posts made in broken English on all of them. For example a pro Russian post from a guy named "SanfranDav" who repeatedly uses the word "petrol". Nobody in California uses that word.

I guess it could be a fluke, but then again if it's not I would like to congratulate Putin on his trolling skills.

\Just because the aliens put a chip in my head doesn't make me paranoid.

Believe me... You are not the first person to notice awkwardly written pro-russian comments on articles all over the web since this shiat began...  There is definatly some sort of disinformation campaign going on outside of the region, as well as inside...


But at least not here on Fark.  Fark, at least, is mercifully free of sockpuppets and paid shills.
 
2014-05-04 01:42:30 PM  

shower_in_my_socks: [img.fark.net image 468x360]
Of course, of course we should feel bad for pro-Russian separatists burned in a building fire. Of course we should. ...but maybe, MAYBE you shouldn't revolt against your own country and attempt to split it apart, kill people and take over government buildings.


Of course, of course we should feel bad for Fox's entire news and opinion crew burned in a building fire. Of course we should. ...but maybe, MAYBE you shouldn't revolt against your own country and attempt to split it apart, spit on people and take over Christian beliefs.

The first thing that popped in my mind when I read the socks's post. But getting back to the article...

Putin, you dickhead.
 
2014-05-04 01:47:20 PM  

DubyaHater: I wish the U.S. had a powerful leader like Putin, not the pair of mom jeans we have now.


I didn't order any poeslaw.  I asked for a salad.
 
2014-05-04 01:47:40 PM  

Marmilman: Pro Ukrainians have now mobilized against the mob of separatists in Odessa.


I've only seen that they've declared mobilization and expect help from self-defense brigades from Kiev and Kharkov. This is the recent picture I've found in Odessa's news - pro-Maidan forces gathering near Duke statue:  dumskaya.net

We'll see how it will develop and if it'll be enough.

Marmilman: Also, I think they confirmed a good portion of the arrested individuals were also from Transdniestria


I haven't seen such confirmations, I can't find any mentioned in Ukraine news sites. There is a confirmation that 3 persons from those arrested were from Russia, with photos, names and passport scans.

Also, I've only seen that 14 dead bodies were identified so far, all Ukrainians.
 
2014-05-04 01:50:11 PM  

shower_in_my_socks: Brick-House: How's that Peace Prize working out for you BOB?


It's working great, @sshole. Thank you for asking. Osama bin Laden and Gaddafi are dead, we've finally wound down the Iraq debacle started by the previous warmongering administration, and we're GTFO of Afghanistan. We have absolutely no control over soccer hooligans rioting in Ukraine, but thanks for assuming Obama was so amazing that he could stop that if he wanted to. Have a delightful Sunday.


riquard.nl

 
2014-05-04 01:53:59 PM  

BolloxReader: The jig is almost up. Ukraine isn't going to roll over like Putin thought. Poland is itching for Russia to openly invade so they can rush to Ukraine's aid. The Baltics have said they would follow. Moldavia will probably join in. Russia goes into any of those countries, the rest of NATO will join in.

Splitters in Ukraine aren't anywhere near a majority in any area. If they were the eastern area would be in flames rather than just small spurts of trouble being solved by football hooligans.

Problem is if Putin backs down he is going to lose a lot of support at home. If he doesn't back down he will probably end up losing a lot of territory-- Chechnya and Kaliningrad come to mind. Kaliningrad is indefensible. I see a lot of payback coming from some very pissed off countries. I doubt we'd have to do more than shove weapons and ammo into their hands.


You're nuts if you think that the West has the balls to forcefully take Russian-populated Kaliningrad from Russia.
 
2014-05-04 01:58:53 PM  

Amish Tech Support: I've been reading user comments on a lot of major western news sites regarding Ukraine. CNN, Rueters, BBC ect. I've noticed a pattern of very pro Russian posts made in broken English on all of them. For example a pro Russian post from a guy named "SanfranDav" who repeatedly uses the word "petrol". Nobody in California uses that word.

I guess it could be a fluke, but then again if it's not I would like to congratulate Putin on his trolling skills.

\Just because the aliens put a chip in my head doesn't make me paranoid.


Have noticed this as well.

There is a long thread on the crisis in Ukraine over on City-Data's forums, was decent at first but now it's a vortex of propaganda and Kremlin apologists/trolls.
 
2014-05-04 02:01:43 PM  
Huh:

***
But Sergey said he saw someone "on the third floor throw a Molotov cocktail through the closed window. However, the glass didn't break and a fire started inside".
***

So that's what I saw in this video:  http://youtu.be/s9AMjLBIliw?t=1m56s  (from here, which contains an explanation, feed it through Google Translate).

Looks like the situation will eventually grow completely out of control, which can only play in the hands of Putler and his communist cronies. Although the Ukrainian people have shown remarkable restraint.
 
2014-05-04 02:04:47 PM  

Marmilman: Also, I think they confirmed a good portion of the arrested individuals were also from Transdniestria


A witness from Odessa on the forum I'm reading (I would say a rather reliable guy, trying to be neutral, judging by his history) went to watch the standoff with police, and said that pretty much every arrested pro-Russian guy who was freed was met by relatives (lot's of crying babushkas in the crowd, he said), so it's unlikely a significant number of arrested were not from Odessa.
 
2014-05-04 02:22:46 PM  

Grahor: Marmilman: Also, I think they confirmed a good portion of the arrested individuals were also from TransdniestriaI haven't seen such confirmations, I can't find any mentioned in Ukraine news sites. There is a confirmation that 3 persons from those arrested were from Russia, with photos, names and passport scans.


See post at 4:20 p.m. Link

Police: Majority of detained in Odesa are Russians, residents of Transnistria

4:20 p.m. - Most of the 172 people who were detained in Odesa on May 2 during clashes between pro-Ukrainians and Russian separatists were either from Russia or the breakaway region of Transnistria in Moldova where many ethnic Russians live, UNIAN reports citing the Interior Ministry. - Mark Rachkevyvch
 
2014-05-04 02:23:25 PM  

The Bestest: mark12A:

I generally respect your insights in space threads but I gotta be frank, you're out of your element here, Donnie.

I'm a self-admitted imperialist in terms of foreign policy, and I gotta say we're playing Ukraine exactly like we should so far, given: A) Western Europe's timidity on the matter B) Ukraine internally doesn't even know what they want (we'll see what happens in the week following the May 25th election) and C) while a very easy short term win for Russia (Crimea's annexation) the long term gambit is ultimately a loss for them. Never interrupt your adversary when they're making a mistake.


Exactly, escalation in this from Ukraine is just going to get those 40 thousand Russian troops out on spring early summer exercises to roll to Keiv and the Dnieper River line. Response from NATO could land Eastern Europe in a Hot War no seen since may of 1945.
 
2014-05-04 02:26:17 PM  

tinfoil-hat maggie: The Bestest: mark12A:

I generally respect your insights in space threads but I gotta be frank, you're out of your element here, Donnie.

I'm a self-admitted imperialist in terms of foreign policy, and I gotta say we're playing Ukraine exactly like we should so far, given: A) Western Europe's timidity on the matter B) Ukraine internally doesn't even know what they want (we'll see what happens in the week following the May 25th election) and C) while a very easy short term win for Russia (Crimea's annexation) the long term gambit is ultimately a loss for them. Never interrupt your adversary when they're making a mistake.

Exactly, escalation in this from Ukraine is just going to get those 40 thousand Russian troops out on spring early summer exercises to roll to Keiv and the Dnieper River line. Response from NATO could land Eastern Europe in a Hot War no seen since may of 1945.


OTOH, no response from NATO could result in a Cold War not seen since 1991.
 
2014-05-04 02:42:06 PM  

traylor: See post at 4:20 p.m. Link


Oh, come on.

That's not confirmation. First of all, "separatists set themselves on fire", while it's absolutely farking clear on videos that at least 10 molotov's cocktales went from pro-Maidan side into the building, causing a particularly large and spreading fire in the second store of the building, on the right side, while the single incident of self-inflicted fire on the third store have happened relatively early in the confrontation and went out relatively quickly, without spreading? Really?

Secondly, "UNIAN reports citing the Interior Ministry" is not a confirmation, it's a rumor. The article from UNIAN in the next day says "3 of those arrested are confirmed as Russian citizens" - you can use google translator.  http://www.unian.net/politics/914246-sbu-i-mid-rossiyane-prichastnyi- k -provokatsiyam-i-besporyadkam-v-odesse.html

That's what confirmation is, and 3 out of 127 is not a majority.
 
2014-05-04 02:43:11 PM  

traylor: OTOH, no response from NATO could result in a Cold War not seen since 1991.


Cold war beats hot war any day.
 
2014-05-04 02:46:12 PM  

Mister Peejay: alice_600: So what happens now? Do we send the Ukraine weapons? Do we put troops on the ground?

Can we stay the fark out of other peoples' business?  Can we try that one?


To this I respond, just how many countries needs to be aggressively conquered before we do anything? You know, Putin isn't going to stop until the west stops him, right?
 
2014-05-04 02:56:57 PM  

Spare Me: To this I respond, just how many countries needs to be aggressively conquered before we do anything? You know, Putin isn't going to stop until the west stops him, right?


It is not Brave Defenders of Democracy Across the World who are going to stop Putin, but internal Russian problems.

There are plenty of innocent blood flowing across the world. Why don't you go stop some other dictator? I mean, there is Libya that was bravely freed from the clutches of the authoritarian regime some years ago. Now it's a hellhole where blood flows freely. Just yesterday at least 10 more people were killed in a civil war there, just in the city of Benghazi.

Why don't you turn your attention there for a change? Leave Putin to Europe. Stop trying to solve internal problems of Ukraine - yes, caused, no doubt, by Russian propaganda, but still in vast majority internal - by trying to incite more violence! And stop promoting guns as a solution to everything - they kill each other aplenty without guns!
 
2014-05-04 03:06:25 PM  
Guess we know what to do when we catch 'em boys....


-lights up cigar-

Bar-B Q.
 
2014-05-04 03:13:10 PM  

Grahor: traylor: OTOH, no response from NATO could result in a Cold War not seen since 1991.

Cold war beats hot war any day.


23 October 1956 and 21 August 1968 would disagree with you. Also your grandchildren, who will remember you as a coward cocksucker.
 
2014-05-04 03:21:09 PM  

traylor: 23 October 1956 and 21 August 1968 would disagree with you. Also your grandchildren, who will remember you as a coward cocksucker.


*shrug* at least I'll have grandchildren. And not their graves. Imagine yourself standing near the graves of your children and saying to them: "but at least we were brave. Totally worth it, you have to agree."
 
2014-05-04 03:30:58 PM  

ciberido: pstudent12: http://www.zerohedge.com/contributed/2014-05-04/whats-really-going-od e ssa-ukraine

Zero Hedge.  Complete with a banner add for EndOfAmerica.com.  Nice.


Shouldn't you be off, goose stepping somewhere ciberido?

http://www.counterpunch.org/2014/05/02/obamas-new-ukraine/
 
2014-05-04 03:35:52 PM  

Grahor: traylor: 23 October 1956 and 21 August 1968 would disagree with you. Also your grandchildren, who will remember you as a coward cocksucker.

*shrug* at least I'll have grandchildren. And not their graves. Imagine yourself standing near the graves of your children and saying to them: "but at least we were brave. Totally worth it, you have to agree."


I'd rather see my kids dead in graves than living under oppression.
 
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