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(Iowa City Press-Citizen)   If you're an Iowan, the correct answer to "Do you have any idea why I pulled you over?" is "Is it about my license plate frame, officer?"   (press-citizen.com) divider line 112
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2014-05-04 08:14:29 AM
I'm surprised at how lax license plate mounting and cover regulations are here in Japan.

I see a lot of these downward-facing plate mounts. The numbers cannot be discerned by speed cameras.
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And as for back plates, the covers many people have here make the plate unreadable with glare.

As far as I'm concerned, it should be absolutely illegal to have anything that obscures the license plate.
 
2014-05-04 08:39:47 AM
Iowa ' s plates have the county on them? Why? Illinois has about 2300 times more people and no county on the plate.
 
2014-05-04 08:44:07 AM
FTFA, this sounds like a clusterfark.

Prosecutors argued that the law requires "full view of all numerals and letters."
The majority opinion noted laws require plates to include the county of issuance and be "clearly legible."
The defendant argued that specialty plates featuring colleges and other themes don't include the county.

So you've got laws saying plates have to be clearly legible and fully visible and include the county... but you're selling specialty plates that  don't include the county?

Oh, and the prosecutors  also argued that knowing the county helps police and citizens identify vehicles involved in suspicious and illegal activity.

Sounds to me like they want to identify "suspicious and illegal activity" like being from Black Hawk, Johnson, Polk, Scott, Story or Woodbury county, or any other county that's  less than 90% white.
 
2014-05-04 09:06:37 AM
Just once I'd like this exchange:
Cop: Do you know why I pulled you over?
Guy: Because I --
Cop:  You're the one millionth car to pass this speed trap!  You win $5,000! *cheers and applause*
 
2014-05-04 09:08:19 AM
The important thing here is that the police get a little more power and leeway, like they always do.  And the leeway never un-lees.  We've gotten to the point where almost everyone has broken a law of some sort or other.  Which would explain why we've got 25% of the world's prison population.

But never mind that, let's get toughter on crime!
 
2014-05-04 09:31:05 AM

staplermofo: Just once I'd like this exchange:
Cop: Do you know why I pulled you over?
Guy: Because I --
Cop:  You're the one millionth car to pass this speed trap!  You win $5,000! *cheers and applause*


This will never happen.

Can we get CruiserTwelve to weigh in on this?
 
2014-05-04 09:40:34 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: This will never happen.

Can we get CruiserTwelve to weigh in on this?


Fark you.  I don't care if I have to raise $10k all by myself and the prize is only $5 and the police are just strippers, and I'm driving a wheelchair because I sold my legs and redundant organs to raise the money, and then I get thrown out of the strip club for going on stage, and the real cops stomp on my face as I ... Nevermind, I started caring.
 
2014-05-04 09:57:24 AM

Marcus Aurelius: The important thing here is that the police get a little more power and leeway, like they always do.  And the leeway never un-lees.  We've gotten to the point where almost everyone has broken a law of some sort or other.  Which would explain why we've got 25% of the world's prison population.

But never mind that, let's get toughter on crime!


I don't think this is so much to put people in prison as it is to increase revenue through fines.  It's political poison to suggest raising the sales or (especially) income tax rates, but you can get shiatty bills like this through "for public safety".

Never mind that, say, a 1% increase in income tax would probably be far less of a disruption to your life and finances than getting a ticket under this law would be.
 
2014-05-04 10:00:06 AM
Your honor, I've been framed!
 
2014-05-04 10:00:18 AM

R.A.Danny: Iowa ' s plates have the county on them? Why? Illinois has about 2300 times more people and no county on the plate.


Because Illinois is who we should look to for smart government and low crime.... I thought this has always been the law, you can't obscure any relevant part of your plate. When I went to school in mississippi having the counties actually helped me learn the geography, plus a lot of the county names are funny. I do think all states should adopt the front and rear plates, you don't always see the back of a car.
 
2014-05-04 10:00:25 AM
Regarding the guy the police were surveilling, looks like the cops were looking for any reason to pull him over for a search. If it wasn't the license plate it probably would have been anything else they could spot. Failure to signal when making a turn?
 
2014-05-04 10:01:22 AM

dbirchall: FTFA, this sounds like a clusterfark.

Prosecutors argued that the law requires "full view of all numerals and letters."
The majority opinion noted laws require plates to include the county of issuance and be "clearly legible."
The defendant argued that specialty plates featuring colleges and other themes don't include the county.

So you've got laws saying plates have to be clearly legible and fully visible and include the county... but you're selling specialty plates that  don't include the county?

Oh, and the prosecutors  also argued that knowing the county helps police and citizens identify vehicles involved in suspicious and illegal activity.

Sounds to me like they want to identify "suspicious and illegal activity" like being from Black Hawk, Johnson, Polk, Scott, Story or Woodbury county, or any other county that's  less than 90% white.


It's Iowa, I don't think there's a county there less than 10% white.
 
2014-05-04 10:01:26 AM

staplermofo: Just once I'd like this exchange:
Cop: Do you know why I pulled you over?
Guy: Because I --
Cop:  You're the one millionth car to pass this speed trap!  You win $5,000! *cheers and applause*


Excellent.  I got my laugh out loud this morning.
 
2014-05-04 10:01:53 AM
Hawkeyes suck.  Cyclones do too.

/That is all!
 
2014-05-04 10:01:55 AM

jake_lex: I don't think this is so much to put people in prison as it is to increase revenue through fines.


It also conveniently gives cops a reason to pull someone over when they wouldn't have had one otherwise... pull over 10 college-looking kids from Johnson County and you'll probably get at least one for drugs.
 
2014-05-04 10:03:21 AM
ALL THESE PLATES ARE YOURS EXCEPT IOWA.

ATTEMPT NO FRAMING THERE.
 
2014-05-04 10:04:21 AM
This is another wonderful example of why leaving crap to the states is a horrible idea. Titles for cars are another, equally stupid waste.

A universal, federal standard that explicitly prohibits deviation from the states would do farking wonders.
 
2014-05-04 10:04:34 AM
Wait a minute.  Am I really the first farker to post this in a license plate thread?

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2014-05-04 10:04:51 AM
The correct answer is:

Why, did you forget?
 
2014-05-04 10:06:59 AM
Just another lousy "excuse" for the cops to harass people and grab a few more tickets for their annual reviews.

And, of course, the so-called "impartial" judges are in-bed with the cops and the prosecutors.

And the lawyers, insurance co's and the "for-profit" prison systems are laughing all the way to the bank.
 
2014-05-04 10:08:54 AM
"Because I'm on my way to a date with your mom?"
 
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2014-05-04 10:09:53 AM

CruJones: I thought this has always been the law, you can't obscure any relevant part of your plate.


How is it a "relevant" part of the plate when they issue ones without that information?
 
2014-05-04 10:10:25 AM
$afety!
 
2014-05-04 10:10:26 AM
Same in NC. Got pulled over for this. Luckily it was a new law and I just got a warning.

I asked the cop how I would have known about this change in the law and he says "we're trying to get the word out". Apparently one at a time.
 
2014-05-04 10:10:52 AM
He argued that the law only required the display of the large letters and numbers on the plate, not the smaller ones at bottom designating which of 99 counties issued it.

C'mon Iowa!  You can't add one more county to make it an even 100???
 
2014-05-04 10:11:07 AM
Because you're a revenue collector for The Secret Cabal Of The New World Order?

/paranoid.
//always a hoot.
 
6M
2014-05-04 10:11:22 AM
Georgia has the same law.  Generally they want to spot out of county vehicles.  Durn trouble makers.  Georgia selectively enforces the law on this, but like a lot of laws can be used as an excuse for a traffic stop.
 
2014-05-04 10:11:33 AM
i1.cpcache.com
 
2014-05-04 10:11:33 AM
"Because you want to play the cat game right meow?"
 
2014-05-04 10:13:09 AM
County must be visible. Some frames obscure county. Some plates don't include county.  So...

Only a matter of time before a cop pulls someone over for a frame that would've obscured the county and the plate doesn't include county, but the cop says he couldn't tell that it was that kind of plate because the frame was in the way of where the county would've been.

/county
//sounds like a job for the legislature
 
2014-05-04 10:14:34 AM
Came for the outrage, leaving satisfied.

The statute is clearly written.
 
2014-05-04 10:16:53 AM

R.A.Danny: Iowa ' s plates have the county on them? Why? Illinois has about 2300 times more people and no county on the plate.


Simple. It's so when the County Mountie clocks you doing 6 mph over the posted limit and pulls you over he knows whether to politely caution you to obey the speed limit and wish you a good day (if'n yer from the home county), or write you a summons with a huge farking fine (if'n yer a furriner from out'a county). ;^)
 
2014-05-04 10:17:33 AM
 i.ebayimg.com
 
2014-05-04 10:17:48 AM
Realizing I won't be popular, this is one of the few times I side with the Man.  It's a farking license plate on your vehicle.  Nobody cares if you like Clemson or Notre Dame, except perhaps you.  Do you really need a frame around that ugly piece of metal proclaiming to the world how much you love New York or that you bought your car from Big Bob's Discount Motors?  Find another way to express yourself, like losing sleep to air your opinion on a very popular website.
 
2014-05-04 10:18:38 AM
can we just quit pretending they need a reason to stop you?
they don't
they can pull you over for no reason at all
no judge is going to say they didn't have a valid reason.
so just stop pretending.
 
2014-05-04 10:20:01 AM
I must have driven through Iowa several times. It.just.didn't.make.any.impression.
 
2014-05-04 10:21:09 AM

dbirchall: "Because you want to play the cat game right meow?"


meow?
here in the road?
meow that's not safe.
pull around the corner meow.
meow where were we?

meow biatches.
 
2014-05-04 10:23:27 AM
Papers please.
 
2014-05-04 10:23:33 AM

jake_lex: Marcus Aurelius: The important thing here is that the police get a little more power and leeway, like they always do.  And the leeway never un-lees.  We've gotten to the point where almost everyone has broken a law of some sort or other.  Which would explain why we've got 25% of the world's prison population.

But never mind that, let's get toughter on crime!

I don't think this is so much to put people in prison as it is to increase revenue through fines.  It's political poison to suggest raising the sales or (especially) income tax rates, but you can get shiatty bills like this through "for public safety".

Never mind that, say, a 1% increase in income tax would probably be far less of a disruption to your life and finances than getting a ticket under this law would be.


It gives cops a legal reason to stop a driver when there is no other reason.

/fishing expeditions
 
2014-05-04 10:23:49 AM
Gotta give it to the quaint folks of Iowa, creating pretext for a stop when a recent Supream Court ruling says all you need is a simple "anonymous tip"

They'll get up to speed soon enough.

The question should have been "why do you need to search my car because you can't see the county?"
 
2014-05-04 10:24:56 AM
Motorists who have license plate frames that advertise their favorite teams, colleges and causes can be stopped by police if the frames obscure the county name on the plates, the Iowa Supreme Court ruled Friday.

Change that to: ...MUST be stopped...or the cop is prosecuted for selective enforcement and dismissed...and everything is fair.

OR

Just change the law next legislative session.  Anybody that doesn't vote for the correction doesn't get re-elected.  If Iowans keep voting for the assholes, they get the asshole treatment they deserve.
 
2014-05-04 10:26:26 AM
If it's illegal to obscure any part of the license plate, does that mean that the car dealer that puts the plate cover on (so they can use your car as a rolling advertisement) is culpable too?

The first thing I do when I get a car is take off the plate cover. I paid for it, you don't get to use me to make more money.
 
2014-05-04 10:26:42 AM

IamTomJoad: Gotta give it to the quaint folks of Iowa


remember those quaint folks determine who gets to launder the most money...

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2014-05-04 10:27:54 AM

EKU Colonel: He argued that the law only required the display of the large letters and numbers on the plate, not the smaller ones at bottom designating which of 99 counties issued it.

C'mon Iowa!  You can't add one more county to make it an even 100???


Every time there's a referendum to create "Biatch County" it fails, so for now, Iowa has 99 counties, but a biatch ain't one.
 
2014-05-04 10:28:34 AM

staplermofo: Just once I'd like this exchange:
Cop: Do you know why I pulled you over?
Guy: Because I --
Cop:  You're the one millionth car to pass this speed trap!  You win $5,000! *cheers and applause*


NC actually tried to start a program that would have state troopers pull over drivers "for being a good driver" and so they could "issue them an award".  It was struck down rather quickly because everyone with a brain knew how the program would actually be used.
 
2014-05-04 10:30:30 AM
Only a matter of time before it's illegal to obscure the mounting holes, and cops begin pulling over everybody who screwed the plate to their car.
 
2014-05-04 10:32:30 AM

Adolf Oliver Nipples: If it's illegal to obscure any part of the license plate, does that mean that the car dealer that puts the plate cover on (so they can use your car as a rolling advertisement) is culpable too?

The first thing I do when I get a car is take off the plate cover. I paid for it, you don't get to use me to make more money.


I tell them not to put any ads on in the first place; no frame, no decal, nothing.

/but no, they aren't culpable; presumably it is illegal to *drive* a car with an obscured plate
 
2014-05-04 10:33:10 AM

WhackingDay: Same in NC. Got pulled over for this. Luckily it was a new law and I just got a warning.

I asked the cop how I would have known about this change in the law and he says "we're trying to get the word out". Apparently one at a time.


The state troopers in NC are pretty infamous for that. They really love the you didn't move over to the other lane law when they were parked on the side of the interstate law for instance.

True story here, myself and my wife were merging on to the interstate, we had about 20 cars and big trucks to the left of us and ended up passing a parked state trooper 50 feet from the off ramp at about 45 mph. Well, without any lights, turn signals or apparently even checking for on coming traffic he tries pulling straight into our lane, and has to tap his brakes. Issues a $1000 ticket for not pulling over, despite the 18 wheeler on our left at the time, tried to insist we weren't wearing seat belts, even though we had the computer in the car confirm they were active. Then he went on and lied to the judge overhearing the case, conflicted his account, mysteriously the video was deleted, and his report was different to every other witness. In the end rather than hurt the records of him, it went to a prayer of judgment, meaning have to pay all court fees and losing days off work., because he couldn't be bothered to use his mirrors and turn signals.

Strangely enough, when looking through the record this one state trooper issues 5 times the normal amount of tickets and has the most tickets challenged, but he gets promoted for bringing in the most money in fines.
 
2014-05-04 10:34:06 AM

R.A.Danny: Iowa ' s plates have the county on them? Why? Illinois has about 2300 times more people and no county on the plate.


Because when you're blindsided by some bewildered driver, it's a tidy way to categorize your response:

Driver from some county you've never even heard of: Meh, tourist.

A local: WTF, get your head out of your arse and drive! You should know better.

/the more you know!
/Idiots Out Driving About!
 
M-G
2014-05-04 10:34:20 AM
I was pulled over by an Iowa trooper a good 20 years ago and cited for having a frame that obscured some part of the Missouri plate.  Simple equipment violation where you mail back a card affirming that the violation has been corrected.

I probably was stopped for speed, and not for the plate, but they've apparently been sticklers for plates for a long time.
 
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