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(NYPost)   Where the heck is that missing jet, anyway? Anybody asked Al Qaeda? Hey, let's ask Al Qaeda   (nypost.com) divider line 135
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2014-05-04 10:28:27 AM  
With all the news coverage on this aircraft's satellite comm capabilities, perhaps whoever took it is now aware of all the systems that need to be disabled so as not to notify a world that is watching and is trying to do so while keeping the aircraft operable. That kind of thing takes time without a 777 mechanic or rep from Boeing around.

That or it's at the bottom of the IO.
 
2014-05-04 11:07:14 AM  

cptjeff: Wake Up Sheeple: It's amazing how soon people forget that the general area of the blackboxes was located via their pings.

They're still not sure that that's what the signals they're getting are, even though it's the most likely explanation. Even so, that doesn't preclude the possibility that terrorists were involved and that it went wrong, or that simply crashing the plane into the sea wasn't their plan all along.


Well couldn't somebody steal and land the plane, then remove and plant the black box out there where they heard the pings?
 
2014-05-04 11:10:40 AM  
FTFA:

They were all arrested in Malaysia last week.


Ah yes, unless that is an article fail, possible for the multitude of reasons aforementioned, we usually would 'detain' instead of 'arresting' people outright. That's some nice guilty until proven innocent work. But yeah, "brown people" as noted, so...

An officer with the Counter Terrorism Division of Malaysia's Special Branch said the arrests have increased concern that terrorists may have taken control of the plane.

That's akin to saying, "Drew Curtis' arrest (sic; detainment) raises concern that Farker's discussion of elaborate conspiracy theories may be valid".
 
2014-05-04 11:29:39 AM  

fusillade762: Aren't they usually pretty quick to claim responsibility for things like this?


Hmm yeah.

They probably need some waterboarding to admit it, and admit that it was Iran, or Russia, no, Iran is safer.
 
2014-05-04 11:32:10 AM  

ElLoco: itcamefromschenectady: Well, you know, people on fark were saying it couldn't possibly be terrorism because a plane just disappearing isn't terrifying enough...as though every terrorist operation goes exactly like the terrorists' plan.

There's not a lot of bigass buildings to crash into out in the ocean. Maybe they ran out of fuel looking for one.

Cunning plans, and such.


 If only there were some towers in Malaysia...
 
2014-05-04 12:44:18 PM  

PanicMan: I like the idea that you can just ask al Qaeda questions, like they have a 1-800 number or something. Or have a PR Twitter account where they just talk about what they do. And maybe give out steam codes or something.


No shiat. Half of me believes they are all chum. The the other half knows that Al Queda has learned something from watching their stuff dissected by intelligence agencies and the media.
So they stop doing the things the world knows happens before an attack, mainly chatter. If it IS Al Queda, there is only am elite inner echelon that knows anything about it, and they use only paper, pages and couriers to communicate. This is what happens when we let them know how they are caught. They adapt.
As far as the plane goes, I would guess they weren't ever planning on keeping hostages and tossed them out over the ocean.
Plane lands and is hidden on some island, where it is maintained by a trained mechanic either part of it or held hostage.
They have YEARS to sit on this plane, and can move kerosene in small enough quantities over that time to accumulate enough to fill the plane.
Then, one day, the plane takes off. There is enough fuel to hit the west coast. The plane flies low to the water and has a route planned to avoid radar detection until they are too close to be intercepted. Then twenty minutes later it crashes into the ocean because they had a shiatty mechanic.

So I guess we dint have anything to worry about.
 
2014-05-04 12:51:31 PM  
I doubt Al Qaeda has anything to do with the missing jet, Bush Corp lost most of the best black op pilots on 9/11.
 
2014-05-04 12:57:25 PM  

Close2TheEdge: Here's the part of the conspiracy theory that loses it for me.  To have been really effective, terrorists would have used the plane as a weapon within minutes or hours of the takeoff.  This would have been opportune since the it's the time of the highest amount of confusion.  Assuming that the plane was hijacked and is sitting somewhere waiting for orders, every government in the world is now looking for this plane.  The minute it takes off, it will get noticed.  And the minute it is noticed, there will be absolutely ZERO hesitation to shoot it down since the only explanation for it being in the air is a terrorist attack.

Some kind of catastrophic failure, mistakes by the flight crew, crash in the ocean.  That is the most likely explanation.


Yeah, that's ultimately how I feel.

A guy I work with was arguing with me that it was definitely terrorists.  Terrorists who did not want to identify themselves, what they wanted, or to showcase how capable they are at causing terror.  Which is more or less what terrorism entails.  A terrorist  wants to be known as the boogeyman that's out to get you.  If he can take down  this plane, then he wants you to know that he can for sure take down  yours, too.  Why leave the strong possibility that it could have just been mistakes by the crew, since most people don't buy into conspiracy theories?  Make sure they  know that someone's out to get them.

I'm not going to say that what happened was most definitely not criminal.  For all I know, it could have been.  But to call it terrorism is to completely miss what we define terrorism to be.
 
2014-05-04 01:08:57 PM  
Heck, if I were AQs publicity guy, id claim credit for this whether they had done it or not.
 
2014-05-04 01:33:10 PM  
The plane was hit by the shockwave from a nearby explosion of a small meteorite at such a distance that the plane was blasted free of earth's atmosphere intact. It is either still in a low erratic orbit or it was vaporized on re-entry.
 
2014-05-04 01:33:31 PM  
NY Post?

That's all I needed to see to know the article is full of crap.
 
2014-05-04 01:40:09 PM  

fusillade762: Aren't they usually pretty quick to claim responsibility for things like this?


Groups did claim responsibility but were dismissed by the US government for various reasons.
 
2014-05-04 01:55:45 PM  

Kurmudgeon: I doubt Al Qaeda has anything to do with the missing jet, Bush Corp lost most of the best black op pilots on 9/11.


The conspiracy theory from day 1 claimed they were either missiles that hit the Pentagon, or drone airplanes that hit the wtc. And the real flights landed at a military base where all the passengers were given new identities. Keep up with your derpy conspiracy theories.
 
2014-05-04 03:22:53 PM  

Friction8r: Oh how cute. Her name is kitties too. Too cutesy. Let's clamor and fawn over hee cuz she's our lil Internet buddy so she got street cred and all dat.


Dayum.

Imma just steal your beers yet again.

encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.comwww.letssmiletoday.com
 
2014-05-04 03:42:08 PM  

Alonjar: namatad: NOT if you have the plane on the ground right now and are planning on using it to crash into the WTC once people stop looking for it

Seriously, the next time that we see it will be either at the bottom of the ocean or crashing into the WTC.

They're going to be very disappointed if they try that.  The new WTC was super over-engineered due to the obvious risks/threats.  While the original structures were mostly just steel (which softened/melted), the new ones are mostly bunker grade concrete all the way up, with blast/bullet proof windows, advanced fire suppression systems, etc etc.

They used 3x the amount of material in One World Trade that you would use to build a normal structure of that size.  They tried very hard to make it bomb/bullet/plane proof.


1) really? super cool
2) SHHHHH now they will just change targets !!
 
2014-05-04 03:50:01 PM  

powhound: Kittypie070: Sorry but the passengers are just as gone under the sea as the plane is :(

Proof?


Well, no one has proof right now, if they're not A) the NTSB B) the Malaysian Government C) whatever other high powered search/recovery agents in place like the Ozzers D) the Bluefin operators and analysts.

All I know is that she's just as gone as gone can be without being literally off planet, therefore the most sensible and logical place to think she is...is at rest somewhere at the bottom of Davy Jones' Locker.

I'm not a tin-foil hat person, but do you have proof? Is it likely it's at the bottom of the ocean? Yes. If a small scrap of wreckage shows up, it was likely pilot suicide. The other option is hijacking (with detailed knowledge on how to disappear).

What I stated is the best I got. I don't work for any governments.

The copilot was not a perfect specimen, but did he do it? No notes, no insurance polices (so far as CNN knows).

CNN knows only what their sources tell them. The quality of sources can vary.

As for the co-pilot...All parties involved, dead or alive are automatically assumed to be innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt in a court of LAW.

Do not ever, EVER forget that or disregard it.

Either way, this will become one of the most fascinating Mayday episodes of all time.

That's certainly true.
 
2014-05-04 04:05:07 PM  

fusillade762: Aren't they usually pretty quick to claim responsibility for things like this?


They may be less likely to come out saying "we did it" if the plan is to take the plane they have stashed away, fill it with explosives, and fly it into a city someplace.
 
2014-05-04 04:06:52 PM  

JuggleGeek: fusillade762: Aren't they usually pretty quick to claim responsibility for things like this?

They may be less likely to come out saying "we did it" if the plan is to take the plane they have stashed away, fill it with explosives, and fly it into a city someplace. get shot down shortly after entering another country's airspace.


FTFY
 
2014-05-04 04:22:23 PM  

Kittypie070: Only human garbage seriously believes any conspiracy theory concerning this situation.


Looks like a new one for my "asshole troll" list.   The fact that some people don't believe that you are the sole source of all knowledge doesn't make us "human garbage". Go fark yourself.
 
2014-05-04 04:26:04 PM  

JuggleGeek: Kittypie070: Only human garbage seriously believes any conspiracy theory concerning this situation.

Looks like a new one for my "asshole troll" list.   The fact that some people don't believe that you are the sole source of all knowledge doesn't make us "human garbage". Go fark yourself.


I agree with you. Conspiracy theorists aren't human garbage because they don't think I (or Kitty) am the sole source of all knowledge. Believing in the worst-case scenario with absolutely no evidence when there are plenty of common sense reasons for why it couldn't be the case and believing in debunked nonsense, is what makes conspiracy theorists human garbage.
 
2014-05-04 04:33:31 PM  

grumpfuff: FTFY


I agree that's the likely outcome.  But I did say "the plan".  I'm sure their plan isn't to get shot down on the way.  I also think the chances of getting shot down vary widely depending on the target.  A US target is a lot more difficult than, oh, say, Mogadishu.  In the US, Houston (near the border, and with an international airport) would be more likely to get actually hit than say Washington DC, which will be much better defended.

In a similar vein, I think their chances of successfully stealing a plane would be higher someplace like Malaysia than if they tried it in the US.

I'm certainly not claiming to know what happened.  But it seems unlikely to me that someone would bother to turn off the equipment that helps report the planes location, then fly the plane in a big semi-circle, avoiding land and going far, far away from the original flight plan, if their entire goal was to just crash the plane into the ocean.  It's a lot of extra work, if the end result is still "lets crash the thing".  And with no evidence of a crash, nothing floating up, etc, it looks to me more like a successful hijacking than anything else.
 
2014-05-04 04:34:38 PM  

grumpfuff: I agree with you. Conspiracy theorists aren't human garbage because they don't think I (or Kitty) am the sole source of all knowledge. Believing in the worst-case scenario with absolutely no evidence when there are plenty of common sense reasons for why it couldn't be the case and believing in debunked nonsense, is what makes conspiracy theorists human garbage.


So, like kittieCocksucker, you have no interest in discussing the issue, you just want to call people human garbage.  Got it.
 
2014-05-04 04:39:03 PM  

grumpfuff: JuggleGeek: Kittypie070: Only human garbage seriously believes any conspiracy theory concerning this situation.

Looks like a new one for my "asshole troll" list.   The fact that some people don't believe that you are the sole source of all knowledge doesn't make us "human garbage". Go fark yourself.

I agree with you. Conspiracy theorists aren't human garbage because they don't think I (or Kitty) am the sole source of all knowledge. Believing in the worst-case scenario with absolutely no evidence when there are plenty of common sense reasons for why it couldn't be the case and believing in debunked nonsense, is what makes conspiracy theorists human garbage.


Really?  Well it's an awfully bold and inflammatory statement.  Rude, even (but this is fark, so hey).

Serious question, who defines what is a "conspiracy theory"?  Is it anything other than what Kittypie believes?  She has proclaimed unabashedly and with great confidence that the plane in at the bottom of the ocean.  Though she, or nobody else, knows at the moment.

So, what is it, exactly, that would make someone who is open to - or even "seriously believes" (as does she in her theory) - in a different theory?  And how does exploring other possible options define someone as a "piece of human garbage"?

/she's not going to sleep with you
 
2014-05-04 04:53:12 PM  
It really takes some time to load a nuclear weapon onto a 777. Wait for it....
 
2014-05-04 04:58:32 PM  

Witness99: And how does exploring other possible options define someone as a "piece of human garbage"?


I've been around that conspiracy theory trash for a long time.

I got fed that crap in a damn church.

I poke my nose into a few really asinine places in the Net to get the latest talking points and it's BE TERRIFIED OF EVERYTHING ALL THE TIME FALSE FLAG!! every damn time I shove my damn nose in.

I submit to y'all a serious question:

Who the hell wants to live like that?

Where literally everything they can detect with their basic physical senses is ORDERED to believe that what they see, hear, touch, and feel does not actually exist AS IT IS SEEN, HEARD, TOUCHED, OR FELT but is actually some kind of hideous satanic distortion of the world plotted by a oohh scary shadowy cabal they cannot possibly fight?

They are being ordered what to think, they are being told that their personal experiences and perceptions are total lies, and they are being deliberately SOLD a fake conspiracy reality.

Does anyone here know what happens to a human being that is trained to no longer trust his own sensory perceptions?

Yeah, I can admit I was wrong.

So I shouldn't call the believers "human garbage" after all, but instead properly lay that tag on the money grubbing peddlers of such rot.
 
2014-05-04 05:08:22 PM  
Where literally everything they can detect with their basic physical senses is ORDERED to believe

yeah my grammar's busted, sue me.
 
2014-05-04 05:31:07 PM  

Kittypie070: Witness99: And how does exploring other possible options define someone as a "piece of human garbage"?

I've been around that conspiracy theory trash for a long time.

I got fed that crap in a damn church.

I poke my nose into a few really asinine places in the Net to get the latest talking points and it's BE TERRIFIED OF EVERYTHING ALL THE TIME FALSE FLAG!! every damn time I shove my damn nose in.

I submit to y'all a serious question:

Who the hell wants to live like that?

Where literally everything they can detect with their basic physical senses is ORDERED to believe that what they see, hear, touch, and feel does not actually exist AS IT IS SEEN, HEARD, TOUCHED, OR FELT but is actually some kind of hideous satanic distortion of the world plotted by a oohh scary shadowy cabal they cannot possibly fight?

They are being ordered what to think, they are being told that their personal experiences and perceptions are total lies, and they are being deliberately SOLD a fake conspiracy reality.

Does anyone here know what happens to a human being that is trained to no longer trust his own sensory perceptions?

Yeah, I can admit I was wrong.

So I shouldn't call the believers "human garbage" after all, but instead properly lay that tag on the money grubbing peddlers of such rot.


Thanks for showing us where the alien touched you.
 
2014-05-04 05:46:26 PM  
Triumph 2014-05-04 05:31:07 PM

Thanks for showing us where the alien touched you.

Hah, nice comeback.

Be so kind as to notice (if that's possible) I said exactly shiat-zipola about 'aliens'.
 
2014-05-04 06:56:10 PM  

Wake Up Sheeple: It's amazing how soon people forget that the general area of the blackboxes was located via their pings.

The plane's at the bottom of the ocean. It's still a tiny needle in a huge haystack though.


Oh wait... we're going conspiracy here... hmm.

It was an Iranian sub that emitted the pings!


The black boxes were never located and they never confirmed if they actually heard a ping.
 
2014-05-04 08:59:51 PM  
Someone hacked the planes computer system and flew the plane into the ocean, that's why they don't want you to know about it. No one would fly.
 
2014-05-04 09:41:27 PM  

UsikFark: What does 'Al Qaeda linked' mean these days?


Likely Jemaah Islamiyah or Abu Sayyaf Group since it is Malaysia. Likely the former since the latter is more Philippine based.
 
2014-05-04 11:33:16 PM  

edmo: Time to invade.....*spins the big wheel* .... Iran!


Hey wait a minute, all these options are Iran!
 
2014-05-05 04:17:01 AM  

borg: Wake Up Sheeple: It's amazing how soon people forget that the general area of the blackboxes was located via their pings.

The plane's at the bottom of the ocean. It's still a tiny needle in a huge haystack though.


Oh wait... we're going conspiracy here... hmm.

It was an Iranian sub that emitted the pings!

The black boxes were never located and they never confirmed if they actually heard a ping.



They did confirm the pings.  http://www.jacc.gov.au/media/interviews/2014/april/tr007.aspx

"The Towed Pinger Locator deployed from the Australian Defence Vessel,  Ocean Shield, has detected signals consistent with those emitted by aircraft black boxes.
Two separate signal detections have occurred within the northern part of the defined search area. The first detection was held for approximately 2 hours and 20 minutes. The ship then lost contact before conducting a turn and attempting to re-acquire the signal. The second detection on the return leg was held for approximately 13 minutes. On this occasion, two distinct pinger returns were audible. Significantly, this would be consistent with transmissions from both the Flight Data Recorder and the Cockpit Voice Recorder."

They were careful to emphasize that they couldn't say that the pings were from MH370's black boxes, but the only alternate explanation offered was basically, "who knows, the ocean's weird."
 
2014-05-05 09:39:04 AM  
Anybody ask Al Bundy?
 
2014-05-05 03:11:57 PM  

devilEther: Anybody ask Al Bundy?


Is that Cliven's Arab cousin?
 
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