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(NBC News)   U2 shuts down LAX, leaving helpless passengers Stuck In A Moment You Can't Get Out Of   (nbcnews.com) divider line 118
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2014-05-03 02:58:53 PM  
And it started out as such a Beautiful Day, too. :P

i1182.photobucket.com
 
2014-05-03 03:05:29 PM  
Told those bastards to quit rehearsing on the runways.
 
2014-05-03 03:12:55 PM  
U talkin' U2 2 me?
 
2014-05-03 04:19:39 PM  
Maybe they still haven't found what they're lookin' for.
 
2014-05-03 05:37:31 PM  
Though the exact technical causes are not known

Radar systems work in mysterious ways.
 
2014-05-03 06:45:37 PM  
Damn you for putting that song in my head!
 
2014-05-03 06:47:51 PM  
FARK BONO!
if you like U2, you need better taste in music.
 
2014-05-03 06:48:21 PM  
Any Fark wing-nuts want to take a crack at explaining this? Maybe the U2 has seekrit technology that prevents radar from accurately fixing its altitude?
 
2014-05-03 06:51:01 PM  

brimed03: Any Fark wing-nuts want to take a crack at explaining this? Maybe the U2 has seekrit technology that prevents radar from accurately fixing its altitude?


RADAR isn't really all that good at fixing altitudes, only lateral positions. That's why the plane has a transponder that adds a tag with altitude and speed.
 
2014-05-03 06:52:45 PM  

brimed03: Any Fark wing-nuts want to take a crack at explaining this? Maybe the U2 has seekrit technology that prevents radar from accurately fixing its altitude?


IANAATC, but my best guess is that the tracking software can't handle a transponder at 60k feet, and doesn't fail gracefully if it does encounter one.
 
2014-05-03 06:53:07 PM  
The way the article describes it makes it sound like their system can't account for planes flying higher than the usual 35,000 feet.  Which if so is bizarrely lazy programming.
 
2014-05-03 06:56:16 PM  
Why NBC.com you have to make your regular site look like mobile app?
 
2014-05-03 06:57:11 PM  

QifutuWahuta: The way the article describes it makes it sound like their system can't account for planes flying higher than the usual 35,000 feet.  Which if so is bizarrely lazy programming.


The U2 was at 65536 feet.
 
2014-05-03 06:57:50 PM  
Y60k bug
 
2014-05-03 06:58:17 PM  
Aliens. Irish aliens. "To ra lo ra lo ra" No Irish singers need apply.
 
2014-05-03 06:58:25 PM  

FrancoFile: brimed03: Any Fark wing-nuts want to take a crack at explaining this? Maybe the U2 has seekrit technology that prevents radar from accurately fixing its altitude?

IANAATC, but my best guess is that the tracking software can't handle a transponder at 60k feet, and doesn't fail gracefully if it does encounter one.


That's what surprises me, shouldn't the system be accounting for transponder altitude as well, specifically for landing and take off?  Ignoring altitude is just weird, unless it's some super-old system that didn't have the processing power to account for a third dimension in its calculations.
 
2014-05-03 06:58:27 PM  

brimed03: Any Fark wing-nuts want to take a crack at explaining this? Maybe the U2 has seekrit technology that prevents radar from accurately fixing its altitude?


No.  The article clearly explained that the aircraft was flying above the normal altitude for civil operations and the computers couldn't handle it. What was surprising was that this happen decades ago.  Maybe it's a new system.

And your use of the term wing-nut is pejorative and clearly indicates that you had no intent to participate in a rational conversation.
 
2014-05-03 06:59:00 PM  

b0rg9: Why NBC.com you have to make your regular site look like mobile app?


Because everything is going mobile these days!  Mobile is where it's at!  Mobile displays have better stickiness and other bullshiat buzzwords made up by $400/hour marketing consultants who spend their money on hookers and blow!
 
2014-05-03 06:59:26 PM  

IoSaturnalia: QifutuWahuta: The way the article describes it makes it sound like their system can't account for planes flying higher than the usual 35,000 feet.  Which if so is bizarrely lazy programming.

The U2 was at 65536 feet.


Oh if that were true, that would be freaking hilarious.
 
2014-05-03 07:01:28 PM  
I remember the story my nav instructor told me:

A new controller was working out in the desert somewhere when he gets a call from "Dragon Lady" requesting flight level 600. The controller laughs and answers "Dragon lady, you're cleared to FL 600... if you can get there". Dragon lady instantly responds "Roger, descending"
 
2014-05-03 07:02:06 PM  
Are they bugging you?  They didn't mean to bug you!
 
2014-05-03 07:02:39 PM  
Maybe the computers had issues with aircraft above 32,768 feet.

215

Not enough binary bits?
 
2014-05-03 07:04:06 PM  
Came for the "bugging you" reference - leaving satisfied.
 
2014-05-03 07:04:34 PM  
Holy fark, it's amazing how far U2 have fallen.  It's an insult to elevator music at this point. :(
 
2014-05-03 07:09:19 PM  
The pilot threw a brick though a window... of the control center.
 
2014-05-03 07:11:28 PM  
Yeah, it is weird that the new system wasn't programmed to handle this, considering the story about the SR-71 getting a ground speed check that always shows up in the Fark threads about the Blackbird. LAX is close enough to Edwards and other bases that they get overflown by exotic stuff all the time.
 
2014-05-03 07:12:20 PM  
I had a conversation Tuesday night over chinese food about how the FAA relied on bullet proof Sun computer systems for regional control. I didn't know they lost their minds if you registers above FL600. Which is uncontrolled airspace and really not of concern to controllers anyhow.

/IAAATC
 
2014-05-03 07:12:31 PM  
LAUGHT0100U"00 ^S11L
 
2014-05-03 07:13:37 PM  

QifutuWahuta: IoSaturnalia: QifutuWahuta: The way the article describes it makes it sound like their system can't account for planes flying higher than the usual 35,000 feet.  Which if so is bizarrely lazy programming.

The U2 was at 65536 feet.

Oh if that were true, that would be freaking hilarious.


The truth is probably not as awesome, but that's even better than the real thing.
 
2014-05-03 07:15:27 PM  
Can't believe these news, today.
 
2014-05-03 07:18:21 PM  
Maybe a better headline would be, "21st Century Airport Completely Knocked Offline When Nearby Pilot Used The Cigar Lighter Of A Plane Built In The 50's.
 
2014-05-03 07:19:00 PM  
blog.andregasser.net
 
2014-05-03 07:19:30 PM  
A U-2 up in the Mojave Desert near Palmdale? I'm shocked, just shocked.
Maybe there are none assigned to Edwards right now but the plane could have been going to/from the Lockheed facility up there.
 
2014-05-03 07:21:43 PM  
IF (plane.altitude>65535 feet) THEN
  CRASH THE ENTIRE SOFTWARE PACKAGE
END IF

Sounds like somebody spread the software development money around a little too much and didn't actually pay for a software developer.
 
2014-05-03 07:23:19 PM  
Makes you wonder why the past 100 or so flyovers in the past decade didn't cause this type of problem
 
2014-05-03 07:24:29 PM  

jayessell: Maybe the computers had issues with aircraft above 32,768 feet.

215

Not enough binary bits?


Sorry, IoSaturnalia already aced that gag. Nice attempt, though.

FrancoFile: b0rg9: Why NBC.com you have to make your regular site look like mobile app?

Because everything is going mobile these days!  Mobile is where it's at!  Mobile displays have better stickiness and other bullshiat buzzwords made up by $400/hour marketing consultants who spend their money on hookers and blow!


The thing that pisses me off about overlays on sites like that is that it breaks page down.

Page down shows you the next page of the article, with a few of the lines from the preceding page as context.

Their stupid farking overlays break that.

Also, it's mad that U2s are still flying, and SR-71s are not. Was the SR-71 really that much less viable than the U2? Scanning the wiki page suggests that the Blackbird had a lot of political opponents...
 
2014-05-03 07:34:53 PM  
Sounds like a Lemon.

/ too obscure?
 
2014-05-03 07:36:22 PM  

brimed03: Any Fark wing-nuts want to take a crack at explaining this? Maybe the U2 has seekrit technology that prevents radar from accurately fixing its altitude?


Chemtrails from that altitude are harder to detect from the ground.
 
2014-05-03 07:41:44 PM  
"Dear Kasey, ..."

RIP Snuggles
 
2014-05-03 07:43:05 PM  

JoieD'Zen: Maybe they still haven't found what they're lookin' for.


yeah, i would have gone with a more well known song title too. i didnt get it till i saw the real news.
 
2014-05-03 07:45:26 PM  
while amusing, the headline would've been better if you didn't capitalize the first letter of each word in the song title. Subtly is best used in puns
 
2014-05-03 07:48:15 PM  

iron de havilland: jayessell: Maybe the computers had issues with aircraft above 32,768 feet.

215

Not enough binary bits?

Sorry, IoSaturnalia already aced that gag. Nice attempt, though.

FrancoFile: b0rg9: Why NBC.com you have to make your regular site look like mobile app?

Because everything is going mobile these days!  Mobile is where it's at!  Mobile displays have better stickiness and other bullshiat buzzwords made up by $400/hour marketing consultants who spend their money on hookers and blow!

The thing that pisses me off about overlays on sites like that is that it breaks page down.

Page down shows you the next page of the article, with a few of the lines from the preceding page as context.

Their stupid farking overlays break that.

Also, it's mad that U2s are still flying, and SR-71s are not. Was the SR-71 really that much less viable than the U2? Scanning the wiki page suggests that the Blackbird had a lot of political opponents...


I would think maintenance costs and logistics would SUCK for keeping SR-71's in the air

I'm no expert, but I do recall that they took off with a bare minimum of fuel, then relied on in-air refueling before going anywhere they told to go. if so, that kind of  support gets expensive, compared to a tried and true U2
 
2014-05-03 07:49:34 PM  

buzzcut73: brimed03: Any Fark wing-nuts want to take a crack at explaining this? Maybe the U2 has seekrit technology that prevents radar from accurately fixing its altitude?

RADAR isn't really all that good at fixing altitudes, only lateral positions. That's why the plane has a transponder that adds a tag with altitude and speed.


I was wondering if '60,000 feet' was actually an approximation of '65535 feet' and a counter somewhere overflowed.
 
2014-05-03 07:50:40 PM  

Ghost Roach: I would think maintenance costs and logistics would SUCK for keeping SR-71's in the air

I'm no expert, but I do recall that they took off with a bare minimum of fuel, then relied on in-air refueling before going anywhere they told to go. if so, that kind of  support gets expensive, compared to a tried and true U2


Aye, some of the wiki stuff that I mentioned was about the cost of keeping it going.

Just sad that such a beautiful bird can't fly.
 
2014-05-03 07:51:12 PM  
Damnit - I just GOTTA learn to read the whole thread before posting; especially for nerd-obvious shiat.
 
2014-05-03 07:56:21 PM  

Sliding Carp: Damnit - I just GOTTA learn to read the whole thread before posting; especially for nerd-obvious shiat.


I'd be more worried about botching the punchline.


(65535 is representable in 16 bits)
 
2014-05-03 07:56:52 PM  
They've been flying U2s past LAX at that altitude for 50 years.

I seriously doubt Senior Span caused LAX's computers to have a senior moment.  My hunch is that somebody was playing with new EW gear and either forgot to turn it off, or did this on purpose as part of a field test.
 
2014-05-03 07:59:13 PM  

somedude210: while amusing, the headline would've been better if you didn't capitalize the first letter of each word in the song title. Subtly is best used in puns


Boy, I Will Follow that advice Into The Heart of Twilight and hopefully by October I will Rejoice.
 
2014-05-03 08:02:32 PM  
huh .. no one's tried to mention a pun of "The Fly" ... was the album really THAT bad?
 
2014-05-03 08:07:18 PM  

GRCooper: somedude210: while amusing, the headline would've been better if you didn't capitalize the first letter of each word in the song title. Subtly is best used in puns

Boy, I Will Follow that advice Into The Heart of Twilight and hopefully by October I will Rejoice.


nicely done
 
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