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2014-05-03 07:53:44 AM  
And tell your friends that we don't fark around.

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Got it?
 
2014-05-03 08:41:59 AM  
Ben Affleck:  Smart enough to count cards, dumb enough to get caught.
 
2014-05-03 09:06:42 AM  
Even when you win, you lose.
 
2014-05-03 09:07:18 AM  

Lsherm: Ben Affleck:  Smart enough to count cards, dumb enough to get caught.


You don't seriously think casinos let you leave with large winnings any more, do you?
 
2014-05-03 09:24:49 AM  
You'd think Batman would have some nifty devices so he wouldn't have to count.  Some Batman he'll be!
 
2014-05-03 10:20:07 AM  
That's why I farking hate casinos. They have such an enormous edge on the player in every game but when someone does something like counting cards, which gives a very small edge on the dealer, they get all pissy.

/got warned once at the Hard Rock for winning too much at the blackjack table
 
2014-05-03 10:48:40 AM  
Him and Charlize Theron should go back and rob that place.
 
2014-05-03 10:49:39 AM  
He wouldn't have been able to count them if the dealer used

*puts on sunglasses*

A New 52
 
2014-05-03 10:54:26 AM  

Mugato: That's why I farking hate casinos. They have such an enormous edge on the player in every game but when someone does something like counting cards, which gives a very small edge on the dealer, they get all pissy.

/got warned once at the Hard Rock for winning too much at the blackjack table


Mirage did the same thing to a buddy who I know wasn't and couldn't count cards.
 
2014-05-03 11:10:27 AM  
He must have been caught constantly arranging his chips in a way that allowed him to count cards.
 
2014-05-03 11:17:12 AM  
Where's my goddamned batman suit picture? If Affleck is in Vegas doesn't that mean he's done with his shooting?
 
2014-05-03 11:20:02 AM  

stoicjohn: Where's my goddamned batman suit picture? If Affleck is in Vegas doesn't that mean he's done with his shooting?


apparently he's partying before he goes off to shoot
 
2014-05-03 11:20:03 AM  
I'm guessing he'll get used to rejection after the next Batman movie comes out.
 
2014-05-03 11:29:42 AM  
FTFA: "The actor was allegedly using "perfect basic," which is a common term for introductory card counting, the alert stated. "

Affleck wasn't counting cards, which is just about impossible now with six-deck shoes. Going by the article, the casino suspected Affleck was using "perfect basic", which is not counting cards, but a memorized set of solutions to each possible  set of cards from the dealer. Basic strategy was devised by a Princeton statistician named Edward O. Thorp who found that each possible deal had one and only one perfect play that could give the player an advantage. He published a book called Beat the Dealer in the early 60s, and savvy blackjack players have been using his findings ever since. 

Using basic strategy is not in any way similar to counting cards, which is keeping a running count in your head of the cards that have been played in a run.
 
2014-05-03 11:33:54 AM  

Lsherm: Ben Affleck:  Smart enough to count cards, dumb enough to get caught.


You know it seems to me that "card counting" is such a vague term as to be meaningless. Why it is considered "cheating" always seemed pretty stupid to me, especially as the odds are already heavily in favor of the house and if the dealer were competent at his/her job, the cards would be properly shuffled between hands/rounds and this wouldn't be an issue.
 
2014-05-03 11:35:39 AM  

BorgiaGinz: FTFA: "The actor was allegedly using "perfect basic," which is a common term for introductory card counting, the alert stated. "

Affleck wasn't counting cards, which is just about impossible now with six-deck shoes. Going by the article, the casino suspected Affleck was using "perfect basic", which is not counting cards, but a memorized set of solutions to each possible  set of cards from the dealer. Basic strategy was devised by a Princeton statistician named Edward O. Thorp who found that each possible deal had one and only one perfect play that could give the player an advantage. He published a book called Beat the Dealer in the early 60s, and savvy blackjack players have been using his findings ever since. 

Using basic strategy is not in any way similar to counting cards, which is keeping a running count in your head of the cards that have been played in a run.


IE casinos are pretty pussy sore losers

And I'm sort of dreading how his Batman movie will turn out
 
2014-05-03 11:37:43 AM  
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2014-05-03 11:40:19 AM  
the article mentioned The actor was allegedly using "perfect basic" which is not counting cards. there are several methods to count cards and all of those are illegal in a casino. see  http://www.blackjackinfo.com/bjbse.php

what tips them off is a player betting X per hand and then suddenly when the deck is flush (more 10s and face cards remaining) the bet is increased.

it is the floor supervisor's job to watch the action and look for this behavior, it us unlikely that the security "swat" team rappelled in and surrounded him, when in most cases the shift or casino supervisor will tell the player that they are no longer welcome (banned) or switch them to a flat bet.
 
2014-05-03 11:46:16 AM  
It's incredibly telling that, as rich and successful B-Aff is, he still feels the need to cheat to win.

I'd put another check in the "douche" column on his page, but what's the point?
 
2014-05-03 12:01:36 PM  
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The House always wins
 
2014-05-03 12:01:50 PM  

Superjew: It's incredibly telling that, as rich and successful B-Aff is, he still feels the need to cheat to win.

I'd put another check in the "douche" column on his page, but what's the point?


Someone who calls himself "Superjew" thinking that insufficiently randomized cards and/or "perfect basic" is card counting? I'm guessing your didn't RTFA which is Fail (granted Fark-acceptable Fail) or you know even less about poker and/or mathematics than this German-Norwegian descended college educated Farker. In any case, go stand in the corner and contemplate how you've embarrassed your people by being such a lame Farker while trying to tie your ethnic heritage into it.
 
2014-05-03 12:02:14 PM  

Superjew: It's incredibly telling that, as rich and successful B-Aff is, he still feels the need to cheat to win.


Counting cards isn't cheating.
 
2014-05-03 12:04:42 PM  

yakmans_dad: Superjew: It's incredibly telling that, as rich and successful B-Aff is, he still feels the need to cheat to win.

Counting cards isn't cheating.


That they'll kick you out for doing it is pretty lame and cheating on the house's account if you ask me.
 
2014-05-03 12:06:07 PM  

Superjew: It's incredibly telling that, as rich and successful B-Aff is, he still feels the need to cheat to win.

I'd put another check in the "douche" column on his page, but what's the point?


This post brought to you by the letter "fail".
 
2014-05-03 12:07:57 PM  

Superjew: It's incredibly telling that, as rich and successful B-Aff is, he still feels the need to cheat to win.

I'd put another check in the "douche" column on his page, but what's the point?


Eh. Ben Affleck is an over-achiever. One of those who feels that he has to win at all costs.

Which is why we'll never see him on FARK.
 
2014-05-03 12:09:34 PM  
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The House always wins

FTFY :)
 
2014-05-03 12:12:12 PM  
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2014-05-03 12:15:27 PM  
I thought with the shoes they use now counting cards to determine face card availability was nigh impossible since they reshuffle the shoe before you can be more certain of the outcome? The article makes it seem like he was simply doing the normal routine like if you have a 12 stay to dealers 4 to 6 otherwise hit? I thought that was perfectly legal and widespread and that even the casinos will teach you how? I'm confused.
 
2014-05-03 12:15:47 PM  

Without Fail: Superjew: It's incredibly telling that, as rich and successful B-Aff is, he still feels the need to cheat to win.

I'd put another check in the "douche" column on his page, but what's the point?

Eh. Ben Affleck is an over-achiever. One of those who feels that he has to win at all costs.

Which is why we'll never see him on FARK.


Except that Perfect Basic is perfectly cromulent when you aren't playing against greedy whiners who must stack the rules in their favor every single time to win
 
2014-05-03 12:17:20 PM  

abiigdog: I thought with the shoes they use now counting cards to determine face card availability was nigh impossible since they reshuffle the shoe before you can be more certain of the outcome? The article makes it seem like he was simply doing the normal routine like if you have a 12 stay to dealers 4 to 6 otherwise hit? I thought that was perfectly legal and widespread and that even the casinos will teach you how? I'm confused.


I'm not even particularly a Ben Affleck fan (Matt Damon is 100x better an actor) and I can't see why he's getting any hate here.
 
2014-05-03 12:19:00 PM  

Crotchrocket Slim: yakmans_dad: Superjew: It's incredibly telling that, as rich and successful B-Aff is, he still feels the need to cheat to win.

Counting cards isn't cheating.

That they'll kick you out for doing it is pretty lame and cheating on the house's account if you ask me.


Casinos in Vegas will kick your ass out the doors if you manage to win.  I got tossed from the tables at the Sahara in '98 when I turned $50 in chips into $3000 at a blackjack table.  They suggested I take my winnings straight to the craps table.  I took 'em to the airport.

Bonus: my "method" was simply I memorized the little card they sold at the gift shop as to when to hit or stay.
 
2014-05-03 12:20:49 PM  
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2014-05-03 12:21:06 PM  
It's been a while since I've visited Vegas, but don't some casinos still have single deck tables?  Plus they make there money from idiot players that fark up everything for everyone else.  I've only been in on a good group of players of few times.  It funny when some newb or bimbo sits down mid deck (you farking wait til the deck is finished then sit) makes a stupid bet and the whole table just gets up and leaves.
 
2014-05-03 12:22:20 PM  

Mugato: That's why I farking hate casinos. They have such an enormous edge on the player in every game but when someone does something like counting cards, which gives a very small edge on the dealer, they get all pissy.

/got warned once at the Hard Rock for winning too much at the blackjack table


And this is yet another example of why casinos do not appeal to me in the slightest.

They aren't there to give you money, they're there to take it. Plunking my money in to machines or games engineered quite literally to take my money just seems pointless and dumb to me. I see very little difference between doing that and burning my money in a bonfire. Except if I burn it I'm not making some rich asshole with too much political power even richer.

Games between friends I get, and I enjoy. Games at a place which will stack the deck to win and then ALSO kick you out and ban you for winning just seems totally lame to me.
 
2014-05-03 12:23:18 PM  

Crotchrocket Slim: I'm not even particularly a Ben Affleck fan (Matt Damon is 100x better an actor) and I can't see why he's getting any hate here.


Some of us actually paid money to see movies he was in.

We feel cheated.
 
2014-05-03 12:27:40 PM  

Without Fail: Crotchrocket Slim: I'm not even particularly a Ben Affleck fan (Matt Damon is 100x better an actor) and I can't see why he's getting any hate here.

Some of us actually paid money to see movies he was in.

We feel cheated.


What, you don't have cable or the ability to install Bit Torrent clients on your PC?
 
2014-05-03 12:29:32 PM  

BorgiaGinz: Affleck wasn't counting cards, which is just about impossible now with six-deck shoes.


Counting is still possible, and not much more difficult*, even with multi-deck shoes.  It just takes a different scoring multiplier.  What's killed counting is the continuous-shuffle machine, which essentially gives you a first-hand deal every single time.  Fortunately people still like seeing the shuffle, so they aren't used everywhere.  Yet.

abiigdog: I thought with the shoes they use now counting cards to determine face card availability was nigh impossible since they reshuffle the shoe before you can be more certain of the outcome?


Not impossible, but it's true that the farther from the end a dealer reshuffles, the less opportunity there is for high-availability betting.  But dealers have the final say in most places how far they're willing to go into the shoe, and it's been that way for at least twenty years.  So the edge does go down, but it's still doable.  I've seen dealers dump the shoe when it gets halfway, and others let it go almost to the end.  My personal opinion is that it depends on how good they think the players are, but not necessarily how much they're winning at that moment.  A big winner means nothing to a good dealer - it doesn't mean they're winning because they're good.

BahdaBoom: it is the floor supervisor's job to watch the action and look for this behavior

They've never been that reliable at spotting it (speaking from extensive experience and the experience of my friends, though the casinos would disagree) , and that's why software has been used for several years from the Eye in the Sky to track betting.  It's much more reliable than a human who has to cover multiple tables and do other duties as well.  The things they can track from the sky now are truly frightening, and I actually didn't believe it for a couple of years, but I realize I was misguided.  The Eye knows all.


*counting properly is still extremely difficult, no matter how many shoes there are.
 
2014-05-03 01:08:55 PM  

LeroyBourne: It's been a while since I've visited Vegas, but don't some casinos still have single deck tables?  Plus they make there money from idiot players that fark up everything for everyone else.  I've only been in on a good group of players of few times.  It funny when some newb or bimbo sits down mid deck (you farking wait til the deck is finished then sit) makes a stupid bet and the whole table just gets up and leaves.


This.  Before sitting at a table always watch the player at third base.  Can kill the whole table with one hit. Worst sound at a Black Jack table - Dealer to pit boss " hitting on a seventeen" And counting cards is not cheating, but the house does have the right to turn you away for it.  Sucks.
 
2014-05-03 02:15:40 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: Lsherm: Ben Affleck:  Smart enough to count cards, dumb enough to get caught.

You don't seriously think casinos let you leave with large winnings any more, do you?


I don't know, I never win big.

/ *sobs hysterically in corner*
 
2014-05-03 02:22:38 PM  

Without Fail: Crotchrocket Slim: I'm not even particularly a Ben Affleck fan (Matt Damon is 100x better an actor) and I can't see why he's getting any hate here.

Some of us actually paid money to see movies he was in.

We feel cheated.


Affleck is an damn good director and a very good actor, so I don't get the hate here...
 
2014-05-03 02:33:44 PM  

arekthorn: Without Fail: Crotchrocket Slim: I'm not even particularly a Ben Affleck fan (Matt Damon is 100x better an actor) and I can't see why he's getting any hate here.

Some of us actually paid money to see movies he was in.

We feel cheated.

Affleck is an damn good director and a very good actor, so I don't get the hate here...


You can watch the end of Paycheck and still say that with a straight face?
 
2014-05-03 03:00:31 PM  

mongbiohazard: Mugato: That's why I farking hate casinos. They have such an enormous edge on the player in every game but when someone does something like counting cards, which gives a very small edge on the dealer, they get all pissy.

/got warned once at the Hard Rock for winning too much at the blackjack table

And this is yet another example of why casinos do not appeal to me in the slightest.

They aren't there to give you money, they're there to take it. Plunking my money in to machines or games engineered quite literally to take my money just seems pointless and dumb to me. I see very little difference between doing that and burning my money in a bonfire. Except if I burn it I'm not making some rich asshole with too much political power even richer.

Games between friends I get, and I enjoy. Games at a place which will stack the deck to win and then ALSO kick you out and ban you for winning just seems totally lame to me.


Agree so much.  Never had any desire to gamble at a casino for this reason.  I can understand the "what the hell" factor of an occasional slot machine pull.  But zombifiying for hours has no appeal.  The only way it make sense to me is if you really enjoy it and set aside $x for up to y time (per your budget) for entertainment.   Then it is just a paid activiity like anything else: a ball game, shopping, hunting or whatever.  But to actually think you are going to "win big" takes a level of delusion I can't comprehend.
 
2014-05-03 03:12:37 PM  

phamwaa: You can watch the end of Paycheck and still say that with a straight face?


Even great actors can make some total turds.

RyansPrivates: Agree so much.  Never had any desire to gamble at a casino for this reason.  I can understand the "what the hell" factor of an occasional slot machine pull.  But zombifiying for hours has no appeal.  The only way it make sense to me is if you really enjoy it and set aside $x for up to y time (per your budget) for entertainment.   Then it is just a paid activiity like anything else: a ball game, shopping, hunting or whatever.  But to actually think you are going to "win big" takes a level of delusion I can't comprehend.


My mother in law and her husband go weekly, but that's only because the casino by them is only twenty minutes away on a reservation casino, and every Wednesday is "senior day."  They give them a free $20 to play on.  So they go, have a few drinks and burn their $20.  They play until it's empty, or they are up $100, whatever comes first.  Then they go home, satisfied that they only spent a combined $20 in drinks and/or food for the night.

I went with them exactly once, and got $20 comped because I was a first time visitor.  I burned through it in half a second on a computerized 5 Card Stud machine, said "Well, that was farking lame," and walked out feeling like I could have spent that twenty on a new video game off Steam and had a lot more fun for a lot longer amount of time.

/watching the old people at the slots, dragging their oxygen tank to a new machine, is just sad to see
 
2014-05-03 03:27:23 PM  

RyansPrivates: Agree so much.  Never had any desire to gamble at a casino for this reason.  I can understand the "what the hell" factor of an occasional slot machine pull.  But zombifiying for hours has no appeal.  The only way it make sense to me is if you really enjoy it and set aside $x for up to y time (per your budget) for entertainment.   Then it is just a paid activiity like anything else: a ball game, shopping, hunting or whatever.  But to actually think you are going to "win big" takes a level of delusion I can't comprehend.


I love playing Blackjack.  It's the only house game that if the player is truly counting cards can take the advantage over the house, however slight.  Six decks makes that hard.  I never count cards, I will watch low cards and tens and sometimes make the adjustment, but then it becomes work and not fun.  If you think you are going to win, then you shouldn't be playing.   Recently my niece who just turned 21 was getting ready for a trip to Las Vegas. This is how you teach people about Blackjack and all Las Vegas gambling.  I gave her 150 pennies and gave my self 150 Pennies.  I gave her my basic strategy book and I played dealer and she played three hands at a time (four decks).  I never let her break the basic strategy  and still I had all of her pennies within an hour.  Then I let her deal and within one hour she had all my pennies.   That's all you need to know about blackjack.  My Aunt plays slots every couple of months.   In 2008 she hit a progressive jackpot - about $40,000, put it in the stock market and lost the majority of it within a day during that slight crash.   It's all a game.
 
2014-05-03 04:19:53 PM  

BorgiaGinz: counting cards, which is just about impossible now with six-deck shoes.


Flat out wrong, assuming there isn't an auto shuffle after every hand and the deck is played with at least some penetration.  Counting cards usually doesn't entail memorizing exactly what cards have been dealt and what is left in some Rainman type feat.  In its simplest system, you start at zero and add one for every 2 through 6 card you see, and subtract one for every 10 or ace dealt.  You then divide that number by the estimated number of decks left in the shoe to get the true (or hard count,  or maybe soft,  can't remember which it's called) count.  Bets are increased when the count is high, as ten and ace rich decks usually help you out more than the dealer, and small cards usually hurt you more.  Then there are cases where you deviate from basic strategy depending on the count, such as standing on 16 when the dealer shows 10 when the count is positive, because you're even more likely than usual to bust as there are now too many facecards out there.  Do this too well and they'll spot you pretty much immediately though.

MatrixOutsider: He must have been caught constantly arranging his chips in a way that allowed him to count cards.


A few hours practice for anyone fair at math and you don't need to do this, you can keep track in your head.  "due to moving his money with the count,"probably means he was making rather obvious major bet size increases whenever the count was high and really backing off when low.
 
2014-05-03 04:43:07 PM  
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2014-05-03 06:32:02 PM  
Most of the casinos I've played in didn't let the dealers pick the penetration line; there was a cut notch in the shoe where they put in a blank cut card, at every table, in the same place. The dealer isn't allowed to go deeper or cut you off sooner (I assume; if a big scary pit boss comes in and tells him/her to reshuffle before the cut card, s/he would probably do it).
 
2014-05-03 10:14:00 PM  

Praise Cheesus: Crotchrocket Slim: yakmans_dad: Superjew: It's incredibly telling that, as rich and successful B-Aff is, he still feels the need to cheat to win.

Counting cards isn't cheating.

That they'll kick you out for doing it is pretty lame and cheating on the house's account if you ask me.

Casinos in Vegas will kick your ass out the doors if you manage to win.  I got tossed from the tables at the Sahara in '98 when I turned $50 in chips into $3000 at a blackjack table.  They suggested I take my winnings straight to the craps table.  I took 'em to the airport.

Bonus: my "method" was simply I memorized the little card they sold at the gift shop as to when to hit or stay.


F*ck Vegas .I was getting eyeballed playing Roulette.Playing the same set of numbers.won about 1200 bucks.Now I am the dick.The pit boss mad dogged me and I made dogged back.I f*ckin hate vegas and gambling unless I hit the sports book.
 
2014-05-03 11:00:40 PM  

Crotchrocket Slim: Lsherm: Ben Affleck:  Smart enough to count cards, dumb enough to get caught.

You know it seems to me that "card counting" is such a vague term as to be meaningless. Why it is considered "cheating" always seemed pretty stupid to me, especially as the odds are already heavily in favor of the house and if the dealer were competent at his/her job, the cards would be properly shuffled between hands/rounds and this wouldn't be an issue.


It shouldn't be considered cheating. Blackjack is an inherently flawed game, in that if you pay too much attention to what is going on, and change your bets accordingly, the house has decided that you've violated some code of conduct that requires you to passively give the casino your money at the rate they've determined is acceptable.

The game should be abolished because the gaming industry has successfully emplaced a stigma making the game unsportsmanlike to play it well enough to win at it.
 
2014-05-03 11:58:32 PM  

UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: The game should be abolished because the gaming industry has successfully emplaced a stigma making the game unsportsmanlike to play it well enough to win at it.


That's an illegal business practice right there. Not to mention the illegal collusion between casinos when they circulate among each other lists of players that are too good. You think the casinos are unfair? Imagine the Nevada legal system.
 
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