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(Pitchfork)   Flaming Lips drummer fired after he called Wayne Coyne racist after the frontman posted a picture where a white person was wearing a Native American headdress. Wayne, do you realize how stupid that was?   (pitchfork.com) divider line 73
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2014-05-03 12:49:13 AM
Sometimes band mates don't get along, grow apart, and get pissed at each other over certain shiat. Wayne is probably being a dick, Kliph is probably right, the twat daughter of the biatch governor is a twat, and that's that. You spend that much time with someone that you love but don't always like, this happens.

/don't have a good Flaming Lips pun
//yet
 
2014-05-03 01:08:27 AM
Coachella is crazy.
 
2014-05-03 02:32:16 AM
♫ Do you realize... you have just screwed yourself... ♫
 
2014-05-03 03:22:23 AM
A burn like that, he should have used jelly.
 
2014-05-03 03:39:33 AM
The word racist gets thrown around alot these days, but whom among us hasn't drank far to much and put on an indian headdress for an impropmtu powow?
 
2014-05-03 03:41:01 AM

teenage mutant ninja rapist: The word racist gets thrown around alot these days, but whom among us hasn't drank far to much and put on an indian headdress for an impropmtu powow?


I'm puttin' on my buffalo robe and indian headdress...
 
2014-05-03 03:44:07 AM
struckbyenlightning.files.wordpress.com
 
2014-05-03 03:59:05 AM

teenage mutant ninja rapist: The word racist gets thrown around alot these days, but whom among us hasn't drank far to much and put on an indian headdress for an impropmtu powow?


i.imgur.com
/love is a battlefield
 
2014-05-03 04:08:20 AM
userserve-ak.last.fm

Your call, Flaming Lips ex-drummer
 
2014-05-03 04:19:04 AM
Drummer fired for being an insufferable PC twat, details at 11:00.
Are you an Indian? No? Then STFU- they can fight their own battles.
 
2014-05-03 05:18:17 AM

redsquid: Drummer fired for being an insufferable PC twat, details at 11:00.
Are you an Indian? No? Then STFU- they can fight their own battles.


I'm an American Indian (Creek). Even Mary Fallin has apologized for her daughter's behavior. Do you have any idea how bad you have to behave towards minorities before Mary Fallin will apologize for your behavior? American Indians protested Christina Fallin's performance at the Norman Music Festival, which included performing a fake war dance. Wayne stood with her entourage the entire time and flipped off and made fun of the Native American protesters.

Wayne is in full on midlife crisis mode, and there's no point in defending him. He's entered a sad, lonely state. And this is coming from someone who has been to too many Flaming Lips concerts to count.
 
2014-05-03 05:18:25 AM
Indian headdresses are bad ass, the drummer sounds like a douche.
 
2014-05-03 05:18:49 AM
I want the same thing from a musician as I do from the guy who bags my groceries. Just do your Goddamn job, and play your Goddamn little tune, and spare me all the rest of the drama. I don't give a f**k who you are or what you think about anything.
Just do your job and STFU.
 
2014-05-03 05:19:57 AM

TheJoe03: Indian headdresses are bad ass, the drummer sounds like a douche.


They're badass for a reason. Every feather has to be earned.
 
2014-05-03 05:26:40 AM

susansto-helit: TheJoe03: Indian headdresses are bad ass, the drummer sounds like a douche.

They're badass for a reason. Every feather has to be earned.


Just read the article and I retract my previous statement, Wayne sounds like a total coont. Should have went with my instincts and figured a member of the rhythm section was the good apple.
 
2014-05-03 05:28:43 AM

redsquid: Drummer fired for being an insufferable PC twat, details at 11:00.
Are you an Indian? No? Then STFU- they can fight their own battles.


Why don't you STFU? Anyone has not only the right but obligation to speak up if they see oppression. "It's not my problem" is how to deal with it if you have no balls.
 
2014-05-03 05:28:55 AM

jso2897: I want the same thing from a musician as I do from the guy who bags my groceries. Just do your Goddamn job, and play your Goddamn little tune, and spare me all the rest of the drama. I don't give a f**k who you are or what you think about anything.
Just do your job and STFU.


I hate this argument, it's like telling a stand up comedian or writer to not have a point of view. I bet you like Kiss or something. Art should have meaning and artists should have something to say.
 
2014-05-03 05:32:44 AM

redsquid: Drummer fired for being an insufferable PC twat, details at 11:00.
Are you an Indian? No? Then STFU- they can fight their own battles.


There's a really tasteless joke in here somewhere.
 
2014-05-03 06:13:12 AM
My brother knows Klyph and by all accounts he sounds to be a really nice guy. I think Wayne is losing it. I used to be a big fan of the Lips, but lately not so much (and this is before Klyph got fired). Their music seems to be all over the place lately.
 
2014-05-03 06:32:07 AM
Wasn't Drozd? Then he's replaceable.
 
2014-05-03 07:01:47 AM
Meh, if you think white people wearing a head-dress is wrong, you are racist.  If you think it's wrong because those white people are not of that religion/culture, get a grip.  This is no different than mocking creationists or any other religion or culture, which really is a pass-time on fark.

Airing all of your personal grievances in a public manner like in the article is one sided and petty.  Even if Coyne is that much of a shiat, sometimes it's better to just walk away than to look like a drama queen.

I don't care what a head-dress used to mean, it doesn't mean any of that any more.  No different than getting ultra-pissy because a woman is wearing pants and showing a bit of ankle.  It's the height of moranicity to believe that certain looks or clothing are somehow sacred in today's modern world.

Taking that moranship one step further and publicly cursing out people over it is putting your politics and lack of awareness ahead of the fact that you are a representative of a band/brand/business, will tend to get any public face fired.

Dude practiced his free speech and faced the consequences.

Besides, the picture in question had a title. "Appropriate Culturation" or something like that.  If that doesn't ring any bells that make it allowable even by the non-secular, you're a farking ignorant dumbass.
 
2014-05-03 07:09:40 AM
He was right to bail. The Flaming Lips haven't written a decent song (or actually an actual song) since a couple on At War With the Mystics.
 
2014-05-03 07:22:47 AM

HooskerDoo: redsquid: Drummer fired for being an insufferable PC twat, details at 11:00.
Are you an Indian? No? Then STFU- they can fight their own battles.

There's a really tasteless joke in here somewhere.


How?
 
2014-05-03 07:36:30 AM

omeganuepsilon: If you think it's wrong because those white people are not of that religion/culture, get a grip.


eh, I'm inclined to agree, though I think the context of this particular situation's "we took their land, killed them off, but now we want to play Injun" is at the very least insensitive; couple that with Pink Pony (ugh) and Wayne being rather dismissive (to put it lightly) of protests by Native Americans and it makes them look like dickheads.


MagSeven: He was right to bail. The Flaming Lips haven't written a decent song (or actually an actual song) since a couple on At War With the Mystics.


nah, Embryonic is rather good. They've had some decent stuff since, but they've been pretty heavy on being gimmicky since then.
 
2014-05-03 07:55:43 AM

FeedTheCollapse: omeganuepsilon: If you think it's wrong because those white people are not of that religion/culture, get a grip.

eh, I'm inclined to agree, though I think the context of this particular situation's "we took their land, killed them off, but now we want to play Injun" is at the very least insensitive; couple that with Pink Pony (ugh) and Wayne being rather dismissive (to put it lightly) of protests by Native Americans and it makes them look like dickheads.


MagSeven: He was right to bail. The Flaming Lips haven't written a decent song (or actually an actual song) since a couple on At War With the Mystics.

nah, Embryonic is rather good. They've had some decent stuff since, but they've been pretty heavy on being gimmicky since then.



I haven't heard Embryonic. I'll give it a listen.
 
2014-05-03 08:03:20 AM

omeganuepsilon: Meh, if you think white people wearing a head-dress is wrong, you are racist.  If you think it's wrong because those white people are not of that religion/culture, get a grip.  This is no different than mocking creationists or any other religion or culture, which really is a pass-time on fark.

Airing all of your personal grievances in a public manner like in the article is one sided and petty.  Even if Coyne is that much of a shiat, sometimes it's better to just walk away than to look like a drama queen.

I don't care what a head-dress used to mean, it doesn't mean any of that any more.  No different than getting ultra-pissy because a woman is wearing pants and showing a bit of ankle.  It's the height of moranicity to believe that certain looks or clothing are somehow sacred in today's modern world.

Taking that moranship one step further and publicly cursing out people over it is putting your politics and lack of awareness ahead of the fact that you are a representative of a band/brand/business, will tend to get any public face fired.

Dude practiced his free speech and faced the consequences.

Besides, the picture in question had a title. "Appropriate Culturation" or something like that.  If that doesn't ring any bells that make it allowable even by the non-secular, you're a farking ignorant dumbass.


They're an Okie band, so maybe Native issues might be important. Perspective is important and you seem to ignore that.
 
2014-05-03 08:12:18 AM
Not a Flaming Lips fan, nor have I ever been.  That being said, Wayne comes off sounding like a douche of biblical proportions.  Hell, just on the Native American thing alone; you have to be a major troll to do what he did to his own farking bandmate.
 
2014-05-03 08:19:05 AM

omeganuepsilon: This is no different than mocking creationists or any other religion or culture, which really is a pass-time on fark.


I don't have a horse in this race and I haven't read the article yet, but how is mocking someone for being willfully ignorant the same as mocking their heritage, history and culture?
 
2014-05-03 08:26:29 AM

FeedTheCollapse: omeganuepsilon: If you think it's wrong because those white people are not of that religion/culture, get a grip.

eh, I'm inclined to agree, though I think the context of this particular situation's "we took their land, killed them off, but now we want to play Injun" is at the very least insensitive


Meh.  No one alive today had land taken away from them by anyone other than the bank or the government(which should be tackled on a case by case basis, IE so some farmers lost land so that we could build the interstate).  In those cases, hate where hate is needed, and strive for change.

This grudge/guilt holding over what previous generations did is beyond me.  Sure, study it and don't let it happen again, but acting as if people alive today are the one's responsible is counterproductive.  In essence, it fosters hatred and bigotry, and does nothing to effect positive change.
 
2014-05-03 08:33:43 AM
I lived in Oklahoma for 5 years.

That's all I have to say about that
 
2014-05-03 08:33:56 AM
Quick, someone get the Nations together to sue the shiat out of Amazon for their cultural insensitivity! Bevos should be forced to pay a $2.5million fine and sell his company. Isn't that the new standard?

http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00437K3A8
 
2014-05-03 08:39:47 AM

jonnya: omeganuepsilon: This is no different than mocking creationists or any other religion or culture, which really is a pass-time on fark.

I don't have a horse in this race and I haven't read the article yet, but how is mocking someone for being willfully ignorant the same as mocking their heritage, history and culture?


It's all intertwined, and none of it is objectively "sacred".

If you care to argue that it is "sacred", then you've chosen a tough road.

/emphasis on "if"...not saying you specifically are, yet
 
2014-05-03 09:17:16 AM

TheJoe03: jso2897: I want the same thing from a musician as I do from the guy who bags my groceries. Just do your Goddamn job, and play your Goddamn little tune, and spare me all the rest of the drama. I don't give a f**k who you are or what you think about anything.
Just do your job and STFU.

I hate this argument, it's like telling a stand up comedian or writer to not have a point of view. I bet you like Kiss or something. Art should have meaning and artists should have something to say.


You know, I agree with this in general, but I do think context makes a different. With writers or comedians or even actors or athletes, it can be interesting to read an interview, but their actual work - whatever they're doing in whatever medium they've chosen as their primary form of expression - will ideally be the source that matters most when you're considering their point of view or intent as an artist. In most cases, they've put a lot more time and thought into their work than they have into whatever they're tweeting. And this is where I make a big distinction with musicians in particular, because a lot of them - even some who seem like basically cool people - have a particular knack for being obnoxious in interviews. I don't blame them for it. Just because someone has an interesting point of view doesn't mean it's fair to expect them to be adept at expressing it well, without being insufferable, in every context. I don't read a lot of interviews with musicians, for exactly that reason - and I don't feel like I'm missing anything important about their work.

The problem is, these days, we've got the ones who seem to have decided being a douchebag all over the place is their new favorite form of artistic expression - Bret Easton Ellis is the obvious example, but Wayne Coyne is right up there too. With those guys, when they've deliberately turned their public personas into a form of performance art, shiat like this does matter.
 
2014-05-03 09:26:51 AM

omeganuepsilon: FeedTheCollapse: omeganuepsilon: If you think it's wrong because those white people are not of that religion/culture, get a grip.

eh, I'm inclined to agree, though I think the context of this particular situation's "we took their land, killed them off, but now we want to play Injun" is at the very least insensitive

Meh.  No one alive today had land taken away from them by anyone other than the bank or the government(which should be tackled on a case by case basis, IE so some farmers lost land so that we could build the interstate).  In those cases, hate where hate is needed, and strive for change.

This grudge/guilt holding over what previous generations did is beyond me.  Sure, study it and don't let it happen again, but acting as if people alive today are the one's responsible is counterproductive.  In essence, it fosters hatred and bigotry, and does nothing to effect positive change.


but it's not just past generations, the issue also involves Wayne, et al. mocking their culture not just by wearing headdresses, but also mock pow wows and whatnot and then acting fairly indignant when called out on it. If it wasn't their intention to be disrespectful, then they should've either taken pause about what they were doing and/or issued some kind of statement, but flipping off protestors probably solidified the image of them being assholes.

This doesn't really come off as run-of-the-mill Tumblrina SJW biatching about dreadlocks or cornrows or some shiat.
 
2014-05-03 09:28:36 AM

omeganuepsilon: Meh, if you think white people wearing a head-dress is wrong, you are racist.  If you think it's wrong because those white people are not of that religion/culture, get a grip.  This is no different than mocking creationists or any other religion or culture, which really is a pass-time on fark.

Airing all of your personal grievances in a public manner like in the article is one sided and petty.  Even if Coyne is that much of a shiat, sometimes it's better to just walk away than to look like a drama queen.

I don't care what a head-dress used to mean, it doesn't mean any of that any more.  No different than getting ultra-pissy because a woman is wearing pants and showing a bit of ankle.  It's the height of moranicity to believe that certain looks or clothing are somehow sacred in today's modern world.

Taking that moranship one step further and publicly cursing out people over it is putting your politics and lack of awareness ahead of the fact that you are a representative of a band/brand/business, will tend to get any public face fired.

Dude practiced his free speech and faced the consequences.

Besides, the picture in question had a title. "Appropriate Culturation" or something like that.  If that doesn't ring any bells that make it allowable even by the non-secular, you're a farking ignorant dumbass.


So you're saying it'd be totally cool if I combined a Hasidic hat and beard with an SS uniform?
 
2014-05-03 09:30:48 AM

jaybeezey: Quick, someone get the Nations together to sue the shiat out of Amazon for their cultural insensitivity! Bevos should be forced to pay a $2.5million fine and sell his company. Isn't that the new standard?

http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00437K3A8


I'm guessing that's a poor selling head dress of some sort.

Just because I sell christian bibles, the satanic bible, and copies of Mein Kampf I must be one sick puppy.
 
2014-05-03 09:42:21 AM

hooligan sidekick: TheJoe03: jso2897: I want the same thing from a musician as I do from the guy who bags my groceries. Just do your Goddamn job, and play your Goddamn little tune, and spare me all the rest of the drama. I don't give a f**k who you are or what you think about anything.
Just do your job and STFU.

I hate this argument, it's like telling a stand up comedian or writer to not have a point of view. I bet you like Kiss or something. Art should have meaning and artists should have something to say.

You know, I agree with this in general, but I do think context makes a different. With writers or comedians or even actors or athletes, it can be interesting to read an interview, but their actual work - whatever they're doing in whatever medium they've chosen as their primary form of expression - will ideally be the source that matters most when you're considering their point of view or intent as an artist. In most cases, they've put a lot more time and thought into their work than they have into whatever they're tweeting. And this is where I make a big distinction with musicians in particular, because a lot of them - even some who seem like basically cool people - have a particular knack for being obnoxious in interviews. I don't blame them for it. Just because someone has an interesting point of view doesn't mean it's fair to expect them to be adept at expressing it well, without being insufferable, in every context. I don't read a lot of interviews with musicians, for exactly that reason - and I don't feel like I'm missing anything important about their work.

The problem is, these days, we've got the ones who seem to have decided being a douchebag all over the place is their new favorite form of artistic expression - Bret Easton Ellis is the obvious example, but Wayne Coyne is right up there too. With those guys, when they've deliberately turned their public personas into a form of performance art, shiat like this does matter.


Best interviews with musicians are always in various musician magazines. Always have been. Maybe because the interview focuses on music, so they're kept on track. Even then, generally speaking, the more well known a musician is, the more they've had fans screaming for them in huge venues, the more likely they are to be an asshole.
 
2014-05-03 10:02:51 AM

susansto-helit: redsquid: Drummer fired for being an insufferable PC twat, details at 11:00.
Are you an Indian? No? Then STFU- they can fight their own battles.

I'm an American Indian (Creek). Even Mary Fallin has apologized for her daughter's behavior. Do you have any idea how bad you have to behave towards minorities before Mary Fallin will apologize for your behavior? American Indians protested Christina Fallin's performance at the Norman Music Festival, which included performing a fake war dance. Wayne stood with her entourage the entire time and flipped off and made fun of the Native American protesters.

Wayne is in full on midlife crisis mode, and there's no point in defending him. He's entered a sad, lonely state. And this is coming from someone who has been to too many Flaming Lips concerts to count.


Mary Fallin apologized because the stupid coont actually believes she might get re-elected. What her vapid coont daughter and her friends did at NMF was inexcusable. The original act of wearing the headdress in a picture? Totally NOTHING wrong with. It was not a eagle featherd ceremonial war bonnet it was a headdress made to be sold to tourists for wearing. It was not done disrespectfully like blackface and people should have just STFU about it.
 
2014-05-03 10:08:14 AM

FeedTheCollapse: omeganuepsilon: FeedTheCollapse: omeganuepsilon: If you think it's wrong because those white people are not of that religion/culture, get a grip.

eh, I'm inclined to agree, though I think the context of this particular situation's "we took their land, killed them off, but now we want to play Injun" is at the very least insensitive

Meh.  No one alive today had land taken away from them by anyone other than the bank or the government(which should be tackled on a case by case basis, IE so some farmers lost land so that we could build the interstate).  In those cases, hate where hate is needed, and strive for change.

This grudge/guilt holding over what previous generations did is beyond me.  Sure, study it and don't let it happen again, but acting as if people alive today are the one's responsible is counterproductive.  In essence, it fosters hatred and bigotry, and does nothing to effect positive change.

but it's not just past generations, the issue also involves Wayne, et al. mocking their culture not just by wearing headdresses, but also mock pow wows and whatnot and then acting fairly indignant when called out on it. If it wasn't their intention to be disrespectful, then they should've either taken pause about what they were doing and/or issued some kind of statement, but flipping off protestors probably solidified the image of them being assholes.

This doesn't really come off as run-of-the-mill Tumblrina SJW biatching about dreadlocks or cornrows or some shiat.


You're conflating/confusing "taking their land, killing them off" with mocking their culture.  Talk about one, or the other, because the two are not inherently intertwined.  We make fun or are otherwise sacreligious to a LOT of things.

Whatever.  If you think mocking their culture is bad, why?  Why is their culture to be held on high when no one elses is?  Or do you think all cultures and religions should be sacrosanct and untouchable no matter what they do or teach?  If so, you're a bit deluded and come off as something akin to a creationist who's sympathetic to their plight.

LectertheChef: So you're saying it'd be totally cool if I combined a Hasidic hat and beard with an SS uniform?


Whatever floats your boat, Lecter.  It may be a sign that you're just a bit retarded, but whatever.

It's not analogous to the native American / white man fight though.  That was actually war.  There were plenty of innocent white people, whole families slaughtered and/or scalped as well.  Not justifying conquering them, but it's like kazoo's and other cheap party favors on new years eve, atrocities for everyone!

With the Nazi's and the Jews, not so much.  That was pretty one sided.  Sure, some jews became soldiers, but it's not like they rounded random german's up and stuck them in concentration camps or ovens.  It wasn't so much a war until the world stepped in to stop it.  There are still some survivors of that today.  I wouldn't blame them for not wanting to visit Germany to sight see and celebrate the culture, or to have a visceral reaction to seeing the uniform.

But people do dress up in Nazi uniforms, some famously so.  Historical societies to paid actors to actual hate groups to royalty going to a fancy dress party.  Know who catches flak for it mostly?  The only rational flak goes against the hate groups.  Everyone else trying to call foul is more or less concern trolling.

Why?  Because simply wearing a set of clothing means pretty much nothing.  It's actions and words that matter.  You know, like saying people are genetically inferior, or carrying out criminal acts towards these people.

To shift gears in case you're still not getting it.
Are black people not allowed to wear a suit and tie?
In their origin overseas, they didn't have that.  They're appropriating our culture!

See how stupid that is?  If not, and you don't think black people should talk like the white man and experience his culture and sense of style, you're a farking bigot too.
 
2014-05-03 10:11:07 AM

elvisaintdead: HooskerDoo: redsquid: Drummer fired for being an insufferable PC twat, details at 11:00.
Are you an Indian? No? Then STFU- they can fight their own battles.

There's a really tasteless joke in here somewhere.

How?


Good question, personally I'm drawing a blanket
 
2014-05-03 10:24:28 AM

LectertheChef: omeganuepsilon: Meh, if you think white people wearing a head-dress is wrong, you are racist.  If you think it's wrong because those white people are not of that religion/culture, get a grip.  This is no different than mocking creationists or any other religion or culture, which really is a pass-time on fark.

Airing all of your personal grievances in a public manner like in the article is one sided and petty.  Even if Coyne is that much of a shiat, sometimes it's better to just walk away than to look like a drama queen.

I don't care what a head-dress used to mean, it doesn't mean any of that any more.  No different than getting ultra-pissy because a woman is wearing pants and showing a bit of ankle.  It's the height of moranicity to believe that certain looks or clothing are somehow sacred in today's modern world.

Taking that moranship one step further and publicly cursing out people over it is putting your politics and lack of awareness ahead of the fact that you are a representative of a band/brand/business, will tend to get any public face fired.

Dude practiced his free speech and faced the consequences.

Besides, the picture in question had a title. "Appropriate Culturation" or something like that.  If that doesn't ring any bells that make it allowable even by the non-secular, you're a farking ignorant dumbass.

So you're saying it'd be totally cool if I combined a Hasidic hat and beard with an SS uniform?


No. Not at all. But there is your problem. You don't seem to have the capacity to see the difference in that and say wearing a Star of David pendant because you think it is pretty.
 
2014-05-03 10:34:24 AM

omeganuepsilon: jonnya: omeganuepsilon: This is no different than mocking creationists or any other religion or culture, which really is a pass-time on fark.

I don't have a horse in this race and I haven't read the article yet, but how is mocking someone for being willfully ignorant the same as mocking their heritage, history and culture?

It's all intertwined, and none of it is objectively "sacred".

If you care to argue that it is "sacred", then you've chosen a tough road.

/emphasis on "if"...not saying you specifically are, yet


But religious beliefs are often held as objectively "sacred", to those who believe in them. As is the heritage and ethnic culture that one is born into, for many.  Hence the outrage. Surely you would agree.

But the mocking of creationists and other religious fundamentalists mostly roots not from their beliefs or any degree of sanctity that they ascribe to them, but moreso for their active intolerance and lack of acceptance for people who may think otherwise. If they preached tolerance and took a live and let live approach, the mocking would be a non-issue.

Mocking someone because of race however is an entirely different notion. They're being mocked because....hey, they were randomly born into a specific culture/heritage. Still not seeing the equivalency.

But overall these are finer points. If one lacks the ability to read a social barometer and goes around mocking people in a racist/ discriminatory fashion, one gets what one gets. In this case Wayne Coyne needs to find a new drummer. Not a horrible consequence in the grand scheme...
 
2014-05-03 10:39:43 AM
Meh, all the 'musicians' in the matter are AW divas-

If Khlif (Clipht?  Klypf?)  was even remotely interested in having a constructive dialogue with her, and getting her to realize what she was doing was offensive, he would have taken it to a private discussion.  

Instead he decided to publicly shout "HEY, LOOK AT ME CALLING OUT THIS biatchY biatch......WHO IS A biatch!!!!" on Twitter- which *always* results in the offending party realizing the error of his/her ways, and issuing an immediate mea culpa, right?

Just AWs who hadn't gotten their daily dose of attention, lately.  fark 'em all.
 
2014-05-03 10:42:37 AM
Why are the people who scream "jeez, stop being so PC and offended!" Are always first to take offense and whine when we say we think they're douchebags?

"Aaaaaa stop whining about it you're making me feel bad" -he whined.
 
2014-05-03 12:09:43 PM
"Meh."
"Whatever."
"Whatever floats your boat."

For someone who apparently doesn't care, this one has sure filled up the thread with a lot of words.
 
2014-05-03 12:26:23 PM

omeganuepsilon: I don't care what a head-dress used to mean, it doesn't mean any of that any more.


Actually, it does still have the same meaning and significance that it's always had.  That's why Native Americans tend to get pissed off about it.  It's somewhat like someone who's never been in the military walking around in full modern dress uniform wearing real medals.  It's disrespectful at the very least, if not outright douchebaggery.
 
2014-05-03 12:53:51 PM

jonnya: Surely you would agree.


Nope.  All that's sacrosanct to a religious person, typically, is what their religion is.  Same argument atheists use, Even religious people are "atheist" when it comes to all other religions aside from their own, Atheists just take it one step further.

Flaumig: omeganuepsilon: I don't care what a head-dress used to mean, it doesn't mean any of that any more.

Actually, it does still have the same meaning and significance that it's always had.  That's why Native Americans tend to get pissed off about it.  It's somewhat like someone who's never been in the military walking around in full modern dress uniform wearing real medals.  It's disrespectful at the very least, if not outright douchebaggery.


Only to people with that upbringing.  Getting upset over that is no better than firebombing because someone used Allah or Muhammad in a cartoon.

jonnya: discriminatory


And that's the key issue.  What is discriminatory?  Anything you personally happen to be offended about?  If that's the low bar, everything on the planet is discriminatory.

Of course, that's ridiculous.  That's why the bar is set with actions and words that are actually denigrating and not so low as wearing "our" clothes in a matter of which we don't approve.
 
2014-05-03 01:19:59 PM

omeganuepsilon: Flaumig: omeganuepsilon: I don't care what a head-dress used to mean, it doesn't mean any of that any more.

Actually, it does still have the same meaning and significance that it's always had. That's why Native Americans tend to get pissed off about it. It's somewhat like someone who's never been in the military walking around in full modern dress uniform wearing real medals. It's disrespectful at the very least, if not outright douchebaggery.

Only to people with that upbringing. Getting upset over that is no better than firebombing because someone used Allah or Muhammad in a cartoon.


Yes, because being angry about someone being disrespectful to others is exactly the same as firebombing over someone being disrespectful to your religion.  *facepalm*

As for your "only to people with that upbringing" idiocy, this may come as a complete and utter surprise to you, but it is actually possible to give a shiat about something other than yourself or your own culture.
 
2014-05-03 01:55:02 PM

omeganuepsilon: jonnya: Surely you would agree.


Nope.  All that's sacrosanct to a religious person, typically, is what their religion is.  Same argument atheists use, Even religious people are "atheist" when it comes to all other religions aside from their own, Atheists just take it one step further.


Not exactly sure what you're getting at here. Are you're saying that the beliefs of a specific religion aren't typically held as a sacred to a follower/beleiver of said religion, but the religion itself is? I'll hold off before I comment on that because I'm not sure if I understand your point correctly.

 

omeganuepsilon: That's why the bar is set with actions and words that are actually denigrating and not so low as wearing "our" clothes in a matter of which we don't approve.


While I understand and don't necessarily disagree with your point here, it only really applies if one lives in a vacuum devoid of all current social realties. Meaning- if in an individual's mind, they feel they simply must dress in black face and it is their compulsion, desire, and right to do so, even then they should realize that by doing so they are going to evoke an unfavorable reaction amongst the majority of society around them. It's socially unacceptable, and often perceived as a negative attempt to convey bigotry while seeking attention, regardless of one's personal beliefs on the topic. You might have the burning desire to dress in black face or tribal garb, and feel that no one should be offended by it, but it's still  a bad idea to do it because it will polarize and divide those around you, and you should know that it would offend others who feel differently than you. It shows bad judgement, not just because of the underlying bigotry, but because it shows one to be entirely tone deaf to the norms of current society.

So how are with black face then?

omeganuepsilon: Getting upset over that is no better than firebombing because someone used Allah or Muhammad in a cartoon.


This eqivelancy might be a bit of an overreach. There is a difference between thinking  A) "gee, I wish that person wouldn't desecrate my culture" or even saying " I think that this person is racist so I'm going to quit his band" and then getting on with your day and B) " I believe my religion is being disrespected, so for the next 20 years I'm going to march in the streets and brutally murder anyone who appears to be a nonbeliever". I wouldn't lump those two sentiments together.
 
2014-05-03 02:05:15 PM

MagSeven: He was right to bail. The Flaming Lips haven't written a decent song (or actually an actual song) since a couple on At War With the Mystics.


Seriously.

I bought the album they put out after At War With The Mystics, and after listening to the first 20 minutes or so I actually took it out of my stereo and frisbeed it out my car window. I have NEVER done that before. That "album" sounded like they were all blinding drunk and just wandering around the studio at 4 AM bumping into equipment. It was unbelievable. I'm glad Klyph is out.
 
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