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2014-05-03 12:10:01 AM
I smell a lawsuit. Or a bunch.
 
2014-05-03 02:58:29 AM

fusillade762: I smell a lawsuit. Or a bunch.


I thought that said brunch and I was jealous and confused.
 
2014-05-03 03:15:18 AM
What a bunch of assholes.
Apparently Maryland is so crime free that they can afford to waste the money on an entire unit of cops to hand out "B" misdemeanors that are punishable by a $50 fine.
 
2014-05-03 03:20:19 AM

TommyymmoT: What a bunch of assholes.
Apparently Maryland is so crime free that they can afford to waste the money on an entire unit of cops to hand out "B" misdemeanors that are punishable by a $50 fine.


It takes very little police work to locate and arrest streetwalkers and johns. It takes a lot of man-hours and money to find organized criminals and gangs.

So yeah, if you allocate your resources right (read: don't go after the big fish), you have tons of time for tweets and minor arrests.

Reminds me of an episode of Cops where the West Palm Beach police were arresting people for buying nickel bags of marijuana. I about fell out of my chair when I saw that.
 
2014-05-03 03:21:45 AM
Long ago my friend's long-term boyfriend boyfriend was arrested for soliciting during a sting and they put over 30 guys names in the paper. She never knew because she never read the paper and no one was going to tell her (pre-AIDS days).

It caused quite a stir because he was a fireman and it was the first break from first- responder professional courtesy.
 
2014-05-03 03:26:09 AM
When it comes to hookers and johns the real criminal is society.
 
2014-05-03 03:30:38 AM

lindalouwho: Long ago my friend's long-term boyfriend boyfriend was arrested for soliciting during a sting and they put over 30 guys names in the paper. She never knew because she never read the paper and no one was going to tell her (pre-AIDS days).

It caused quite a stir because he was a fireman and it was the first break from first- responder professional courtesy.


*live-in boyfriend, not siamese twins
 
2014-05-03 03:31:47 AM
To be specific, this is Prince George's County's policy not the MD state police.  I grew up in PG County and I can honestly say I'm not surprised.

What would surprise me?  Per the article the police said, "We won't tell you when or where, other than it's somewhere in the county sometime next week."  If the "where" turns out to be something other than the most economically depressed, lowest standard of living, base street-hustling neighborhood that would be a shock.  Meaning, I expect the people caught in the twit-arrest fiasco will the the johns and prostitutes least able to defend themselves.
 
2014-05-03 03:38:33 AM
Legalize it, regulate it, tax it.

It's a harmless vice that alleviates pain, is far less harmful than alcohol and only serves to fill our jails with non-violent offenders.
 
2014-05-03 04:06:39 AM
This is bad and they should feel bad. Especially for the palpable joy they're getting from the mere prospect. In a civilized society criminal proceedings are not supposed to be used for entertainment. Hell, even in _The Running Man_ they went through the motions of finding people guilty first.

I mean look, what MPD is proposing isn't exactly Judge Dredd doing street executions. But it *is* trial by publicity. Cops serving as judge and the world at large as the jury. And this will become an unofficial contest, with some cops pushing the line to get a better entry.

No matter what the juridical outcome, these folks' lives will be ruined. And before some of you say something stupid like "hey, don't do the crime if you can't handle the penalty," that's the point: they're not yet guilty of any crime.

Look, I'm human; I get a kick out of the mugshot roundup. I'm not especially proud of that. I think it's wrong to publish that info before verdict (or at all). Increasingly, there's no putting it behind you; your mistakes will never be "in the past." Not with TinEye and GIS. It's Kafka-esque: you're guilty of being human and the sentence is forever. With very real consequences on job, marital, and family prospects.

I know a lot of you know what I'm talking about because you've fessed up-- anonymously, on Fark-- to things from your past that you're not proud of. Things you're glad haven't followed you because you've changed your life for the better. A lot more of you haven't fessed up but you're human and have been alive long enough that we both know you've got these skeletons too. What if it was your name and face, with all those details, being tweeted next week?

This is a bad thing. I hope Maryland residents are telling their state representatives that they don't want this to happen.
 
2014-05-03 04:19:37 AM
Innocent until proven guilty in a court of law.
 
2014-05-03 04:23:59 AM
I have a friend that lives there.  He calls it "The People's Republic of Maryland".
 
2014-05-03 04:27:14 AM
Presumed innocent? F that. Judge Dredd it and handout sentencing on the spot as they see fit, be sure to live stream each arrest too so we can openly mock and condemn an arrangement between two consenting adults.
 
2014-05-03 04:28:41 AM
whatever prostitution is on the "morality" scale I'm pretty sure law enforcement's behavior here is the rough equivalent of it.

If you put two people before me and the first man paid for sex and the second man used his authority to publicly shame the first man on the internet in a negative and irreversible way without so much as a hearing or trial, I'd say the second man was the more morally reprehensible of the two.
 
2014-05-03 04:33:57 AM
Those poor lawbreakers.
 
2014-05-03 04:35:02 AM

MayoSlather: Presumed innocent? F that. Judge Dredd it and hand out sentencing on the spot as they see fit, be sure to live stream each arrest too so we can openly mock and condemn an arrangement between two consenting adults.


Did I make a mistake in avoiding that movie all these years?  Because that sounds like a pretty cool premise for a flick.

/ always imagined Estelle Getty as co-starring somehow...
 
2014-05-03 04:37:15 AM

TomD9938: MayoSlather: Presumed innocent? F that. Judge Dredd it and hand out sentencing on the spot as they see fit, be sure to live stream each arrest too so we can openly mock and condemn an arrangement between two consenting adults.

Did I make a mistake in avoiding that movie all these years?  Because that sounds like a pretty cool premise for a flick.

/ always imagined Estelle Getty as co-starring somehow...


The Karl Urban Judge Dredd movie was near goddamned perfect in every way. Executing fools and keeping his helmet on.
 
2014-05-03 04:45:50 AM

robohobo: Those poor lawbreakers.


Cops aren't generally considered as being poor.
 
2014-05-03 04:48:19 AM

MayoSlather: Presumed innocent? F that. Judge Dredd it and handout sentencing on the spot as they see fit, be sure to live stream each arrest too so we can openly mock and condemn an arrangement between two consenting adults.


Is it?  Or are these women trafficked and held in slavery and drugged up living in fear?

Engaging in these activities makes you a party to all of this. No, actually it makes you the driver to this horrible nightmare of lost lives and shattered families. But whatever, it's just a blow job right?

http://m.state.gov/mc42492.htm
 
2014-05-03 04:48:30 AM

TommyymmoT: robohobo: Those poor lawbreakers.

Cops aren't generally considered as being poor.


I don't think most cops make much money. But yes, I know you were trying to be clever.
 
2014-05-03 04:49:44 AM

robohobo: Those poor lawbreakers.


Have you any wool?
 
2014-05-03 04:54:55 AM
I really don't care about the johns, paying for sex is gross and spreads disease. I don't feel sorry for them. I don't care if their faces are shown. I really only toll my eyes at one more story about lazy-ass police work and the wasting of public dollars on tweet arrests. But I'm not like most people.

Most people feel that paying for sex is morally reprehensible, and they comb through photos of offenders, mouths agape. Next to no one will be writing angry letters to their lawmakers about this, get real. They think the cops are heroes for "cleaning up the streets."
 
2014-05-03 04:56:01 AM

FiggyPudding: MayoSlather: Presumed innocent? F that. Judge Dredd it and handout sentencing on the spot as they see fit, be sure to live stream each arrest too so we can openly mock and condemn an arrangement between two consenting adults.

Is it?  Or are these women trafficked and held in slavery and drugged up living in fear?

Engaging in these activities makes you a party to all of this. No, actually it makes you the driver to this horrible nightmare of lost lives and shattered families. But whatever, it's just a blow job right?

http://m.state.gov/mc42492.htm


Sex workers, without exception, are against pimps more than you'll ever be. And -no- sex worker group thinks this bullshiat is a good idea. Also if you look at their farking promo page for it...it's not a client in handcuffs, it's the sex worker.

Try actually LISTENING to sex workers before you listen to bullshiat antis. And if you're concerned about slavery...you might want to go wave that flag at big corps who actually DO contribute to human slavery. Like Apple.
 
2014-05-03 04:56:25 AM
* roll my eyes
 
2014-05-03 04:59:50 AM

Lady Indica: FiggyPudding: MayoSlather: Presumed innocent? F that. Judge Dredd it and handout sentencing on the spot as they see fit, be sure to live stream each arrest too so we can openly mock and condemn an arrangement between two consenting adults.

Is it?  Or are these women trafficked and held in slavery and drugged up living in fear?

Engaging in these activities makes you a party to all of this. No, actually it makes you the driver to this horrible nightmare of lost lives and shattered families. But whatever, it's just a blow job right?

http://m.state.gov/mc42492.htm

Sex workers, without exception, are against pimps more than you'll ever be. And -no- sex worker group thinks this bullshiat is a good idea. Also if you look at their farking promo page for it...it's not a client in handcuffs, it's the sex worker.

Try actually LISTENING to sex workers before you listen to bullshiat antis. And if you're concerned about slavery...you might want to go wave that flag at big corps who actually DO contribute to human slavery. Like Apple.


At least where I'm at, I've only seen the cops go after the johns on these kinds of stings.. And since they use streetwalkers, the johns they arrest never ever look like a guy I'd be willing to bed.. Maybe our cops just do the stings in the very worst part of town, but yeah.

I imagine the back page and Craigslist ads yield more normal johns. I hope.
 
2014-05-03 05:04:54 AM
Lady Indica:  Sex workers Prostitutes

Let's call a spade a spade, ok?
 
2014-05-03 05:09:20 AM

FiggyPudding: MayoSlather: Presumed innocent? F that. Judge Dredd it and handout sentencing on the spot as they see fit, be sure to live stream each arrest too so we can openly mock and condemn an arrangement between two consenting adults.

Is it?  Or are these women trafficked and held in slavery and drugged up living in fear?

Engaging in these activities makes you a party to all of this. No, actually it makes you the driver to this horrible nightmare of lost lives and shattered families. But whatever, it's just a blow job right?

http://m.state.gov/mc42492.htm


That sounds like the plot to taken.  Seriously the only reason women can be trafficked is because it is an illegal activity so they can't go to the cops to protect them from pimps.  And there are plenty of drugged up people as it is, no one forces that on them in reality.  It just brands them with a scarlet letter so they can never straiten themselves out.
 
2014-05-03 05:24:36 AM

MayoSlather: Presumed innocent? F that. Judge Dredd it and handout sentencing on the spot as they see fit, be sure to live stream each arrest too so we can openly mock and condemn an arrangement between two consenting adults.


"Selling is legal. Farking is legal. WHY ISN'T SELLING FARKING LEGAL?!"

My girlfriend tells a story of getting hassled by a cop because she and her friend turned down the wrong street at the wrong time on the way to a club. The cop assumed she was working and her friend was buying, and wouldn't let the friend show his own ID. There were two cops in this scenario you see, and the uniformed guy had no partner with him, and was off duty. So you can figure why he was really there.

/Also, friend cop is gay.
 
2014-05-03 05:29:06 AM
Ah yes, the old dog-and-pony show. It's just like the TSA and their requirements that liquids be in teeny-tiny bottles, or that nail files be tossed. None of this actually makes us safer or cleans up the streets, but it certainly does look like they're busy at work.
 
2014-05-03 05:34:23 AM

TerminalEchoes: Lady Indica:  Sex workers Prostitutes

Let's call a spade a spade, ok?


O, noble sex worker.. why hast thou gone and toy'd with my heart? By chance could I have a freebie? No? How many shillings for a blowjob then?
 
2014-05-03 06:23:30 AM
What's the difference between this and publishing the picture of DUI arrests?
 
2014-05-03 06:28:44 AM
The John is coming out!
 
2014-05-03 06:51:02 AM

pottie: What's the difference between this and publishing the picture of DUI arrests?


None, except they might have more evidence for one or the other. The arrestee has not been convicted, and the police shouldn't be playing conviction-by-media. Also a commenter on Ars Technica pointed out that this could taint the jury pool making a conviction more difficult to get.
 
2014-05-03 06:55:23 AM
So which is it America?

Innocent until proven guilty or trial by media?

Oh, I see you have already ticked the `trial by media` box.

Fair enough, carry on the decline. Try to hide it if you can but eventually you`ll be too dumb to hide it further.
 
2014-05-03 07:12:42 AM

fusillade762: I smell a lawsuit. Or a bunch.


not to mention lots of lubricant... and sex... I can smell lots of sex also.
 
2014-05-03 07:14:02 AM

TomD9938: Legalize it, regulate it, tax it.

It's a harmless vice that alleviates pain, is far less harmful than alcohol and only serves to fill our jails with non-violent offenders.


ding ding ding.... we have a winner.

I think subby is trolling with the hero tag.
 
2014-05-03 07:51:46 AM

TomD9938: Legalize it, regulate it, tax it.

It's a harmless vice that alleviates pain, is far less harmful than alcohol and only serves to fill our jails with non-violent offenders.


Too bad Coyote doesn't get more support/press etc. OTOH, in the absence of "quid pro quo", there is no prostitution or proof of it. Yet guys buy dinners and clothes and jewelery, etc. in the 'hopes' of getting laid. Even if you go up to a prostitute and try to woo her, it could be done without a blatant request. A guy that walks into a sting and does as much probably deserves what he gets just for being stupid.
 
2014-05-03 08:20:21 AM
Can't understand why the States just don't make it legal, prostitution will never go away. It's legal in many European countries and it hasn't caused any problems.
 
2014-05-03 08:27:40 AM
So, what is the tweet going to say?

"Oh look at these whores I am about to bust. Damn they are ugly! Who would want to pay for that?"

img.fark.net
 
2014-05-03 08:48:49 AM
Are they also going to be live tweeting the names of blue-shirts accused of criminal behavior on duty?


... didn't think so.
 
2014-05-03 09:07:38 AM

dready zim: So which is it America?

Innocent until proven guilty or trial by media?

Oh, I see you have already ticked the `trial by media` box.

Fair enough, carry on the decline. Try to hide it if you can but eventually you`ll be too dumb to hide it further.


Hail Hydra.
 
2014-05-03 09:10:05 AM

Cerebral Ballsy: * roll my eyes


Yes, after reading your post I rolled my eyes too.
 
2014-05-03 09:12:01 AM

dready zim: So which is it America?

Innocent until proven guilty or trial by media?

Oh, I see you have already ticked the `trial by media` box.

Fair enough, carry on the decline. Try to hide it if you can but eventually you`ll be too dumb to hide it further.


The perp walk has long been a tradition in America so this has been going on since newspapers have been able to print photographs.
 
2014-05-03 09:22:48 AM

FiggyPudding: MayoSlather: Presumed innocent? F that. Judge Dredd it and handout sentencing on the spot as they see fit, be sure to live stream each arrest too so we can openly mock and condemn an arrangement between two consenting adults.

Is it?  Or are these women trafficked and held in slavery and drugged up living in fear?

Engaging in these activities makes you a party to all of this. No, actually it makes you the driver to this horrible nightmare of lost lives and shattered families. But whatever, it's just a blow job right?

http://m.state.gov/mc42492.htm


That's one perspective, and I suspect it comes from a good place; that you mean well. But consider listening to what many of the women in the trade have to say about it. For example, give this a read: _Sex Workers Unite, A History of the Movement From Stonewall to Slut Walk_.

I reserve my own opinions on the matter. But if you're presuming to speak for them, make sure you are informed on the opinions of all of them.
 
2014-05-03 09:40:33 AM

mikesup: Innocent until proven guilty in a court of law.


All arrests are public domain knowledge, whether the police tweet about it or not.  The mugshot round up is all people first booked before their hearings.  No different.
 
2014-05-03 09:51:10 AM
Arrests are public record. In some places, those photos become available in as little as a few hours. So how is this any different other than publishing the photos a little faster? There are tons of sites that let you search for mugshots, as well as most arrest mug shots made available through news outlets or directly by the arresting agency.

Then again, this is PGC.

As for prostitution, trading sex for personal gain is common.
As fasahd hinted:
There are those who do things for others expecting to be rewarded with sex, and Those who  use sex to get other rewards both are highly common already.

* Women who open the blouse when pulled by a cop to avoid a ticket.
* Women who wear tighter, lower cut, higher skirt-line outfits when going out to get men to pay for their drinks.
* Men and women who rely on community property law to gain access to net worth of their spouse
And so on.
* Men who buy dinners, take women on trips, help them move, etc. expecting sex in return.

And that's why I don't buy women drinks.
 
2014-05-03 10:04:09 AM

FiggyPudding: MayoSlather: Presumed innocent? F that. Judge Dredd it and handout sentencing on the spot as they see fit, be sure to live stream each arrest too so we can openly mock and condemn an arrangement between two consenting adults.

Is it?  Or are these women trafficked and held in slavery and drugged up living in fear?

Engaging in these activities makes you a party to all of this. No, actually it makes you the driver to this horrible nightmare of lost lives and shattered families. But whatever, it's just a blow job right?

http://m.state.gov/mc42492.htm


Yeah I know that happens in some cases, and it's a shame. All the more reason to legalize and regulate it.
 
2014-05-03 10:29:12 AM
Twitter could just ban the police account, given that it pretty clearly violates the terms of service.

https://support.twitter.com/entries/18311#  )

You may not engage in targeted abuse or harassment. Some of the factors that we take into account when determining what conduct is considered to be targeted abuse or harassment are:
* if you are sending messages to a user from multiple accounts;
* if the sole purpose of your account is to send abusive messages to others;
* if the reported behavior is one-sided or includes threats
 
2014-05-03 11:48:46 AM

mikesup: Innocent until proven guilty in a court of law.


You have nothing to fear if you have nothing to hide.
 
2014-05-03 12:27:43 PM
That whole guilty until proven innocent thing is so annoying sometimes.
 
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