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(CBS News)   Even though the economy has been improving the last few years, is it enough to save the Democrats in the 2014 elections?   (cbsnews.com) divider line 177
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2014-05-02 07:30:27 PM  
Save the Democrat, save the world.
 
2014-05-02 07:43:21 PM  
Which one?
 
2014-05-02 07:45:20 PM  
If people keep dropping out of the workforce at this rate unemployment will be 6% by election time.

That will help Democrats a lot!
 
2014-05-02 07:47:13 PM  
The thing that troubles me is that we're 5 years into the recovery and things still look like shiat.  How long do we get between minor recessions?  10 years, tops?  Where the fark do you sink from a recovery that's build on Mcdonald's hires and Lyft fares?
 
2014-05-02 07:49:04 PM  
If there's only one Democrat running in 2014, I think his or her party is in serious trouble.
 
2014-05-02 07:50:41 PM  

cabbyman: If people keep dropping out of the workforce at this rate unemployment will be 6% by election time.

That will help Democrats a lot!


How dare people retire!
 
2014-05-02 07:50:45 PM  
Probably not. Thankfully the Teaparty is there to keep what would be nominally unhappy moderates away from the GOP.
 
2014-05-02 07:51:43 PM  

IrateShadow: The thing that troubles me is that we're 5 years into the recovery and things still look like shiat.  How long do we get between minor recessions?  10 years, tops?  Where the fark do you sink from a recovery that's build on Mcdonald's hires and Lyft fares?


The worst economic disaster in 80 years ain't a minor recession, son.
 
2014-05-02 07:54:48 PM  
At this point the generic Democrat has better odds than whatever lurching abomination makes it through the GOP nomination process.

as always, the dead girl/live boy rule still applies.
 
2014-05-02 07:55:49 PM  

IrateShadow: The thing that troubles me is that we're 5 years into the recovery and things still look like shiat.  How long do we get between minor recessions?  10 years, tops?  Where the fark do you sink from a recovery that's build on Mcdonald's hires and Lyft fares?


The economy doesn't look like total shiat though by many measures.

Where it does look like shiat is in everyone's pay checks, how much free cash they have available for spending, and unemployment. The first has been that way for 15 years, the second was only looking good during the early aughts because people were using their homes as credit cards, and the third is improving.

The last few years have seen things moving in the right direction and I doubt the republicans ideas would have got us to where we are at any quicker....if at all.
 
2014-05-02 07:56:05 PM  

ghare: The worst economic disaster in 80 years ain't a minor recession, son.


Not the point I'm making.  I mean that going by the trends, we're going to be due for a comparatively shiatty year in the next 2-5 years.  With a recovery this fragile, how bad is that going to be for main street?
 
2014-05-02 07:59:27 PM  

kidgenius: Where it does look like shiat is in everyone's pay checks, how much free cash they have available for spending, and unemployment.


I would argue that's kind of a problem.  In the grand scheme of things, the economy isn't healthy if the numbers look great but everyone is living in a favella.
 
2014-05-02 07:59:41 PM  
The economy is doing great, if you're looking at the top 20% or corporate profits. Things haven't been better.
 
2014-05-02 08:02:18 PM  
IrateShadow: how bad is that going to be for main street?

24.media.tumblr.com
 
2014-05-02 08:03:48 PM  

Lackofname: The economy is doing great, if you're looking at the top 20% or corporate profits. Things haven't been better.


They keep saying things are getting better and .....,,nothing, nothing at all .

Sum Dum Gai: If there's only one Democrat running in 2014, I think his or her party is in serious trouble.


It didn't seem to hurt them last time : (
 
2014-05-02 08:08:02 PM  
i59.tinypic.com

/oblig for all "economy is improving" threads
 
2014-05-02 08:08:17 PM  

IrateShadow: The thing that troubles me is that we're 5 years into the recovery and things still look like shiat.  How long do we get between minor recessions?  10 years, tops?  Where the fark do you sink from a recovery that's build on Mcdonald's hires and Lyft fares?


Obamacare has allowed a ton of people to become self-employed, even with the doubling of the self-employment tax that happened in 1983.  Small business is what drives job growth.
 
2014-05-02 08:08:27 PM  

Lackofname: The economy is doing great, if you're looking at the top 20% or corporate profits. Things haven't been better.


That's really the message anyone running on a D ticket needs to pound home.  We need more Warren-esque Democrats, we need a movement like OWS, but with direction.

The Republicans are going to try to push their failed trickle-down nonsense on us again if they win, and we can't let that happen.  Even now the system is broken, and the only way to fix it is major change in corporate accountability and taxation.
 
2014-05-02 08:09:51 PM  
Much like your mom, I liked this headline more when it was singular.
 
2014-05-02 08:12:01 PM  

Sum Dum Gai: If there's only one Democrat running in 2014, I think his or her party is in serious trouble.

Well if you listen to the potatoheads 0bummer is apparently the only Democrat in the world. No matter what the issue, where its happening or of what magnitude it is its all Obama's fault. Its like every derp in America is personally running directly against Obama and then they wonder why more and more people are tuning them out.
 
2014-05-02 08:14:44 PM  

cabbyman: If people keep dropping out of the workforce at this rate unemployment will be 6% by election time.

That will help Democrats a lot!


Remember when Democrats used to talk about things like this and underemployment?

Good times, my friends!
 
2014-05-02 08:14:51 PM  
 Waiting for someone to write the best "Bushes fault " diatribe of the evening, shouldn't be long now.
 
2014-05-02 08:16:55 PM  

cabbyman: If people keep dropping out of the workforce at this rate unemployment will be 6% by election time.

That will help Democrats a lot!


According to Nancy Pelosi, people are being "liberated" by having their hours cut below 40 per week. Democrats just need to make the case that 0 hours per week is the most liberating of all.
 
2014-05-02 08:21:53 PM  

IrateShadow: kidgenius: Where it does look like shiat is in everyone's pay checks, how much free cash they have available for spending, and unemployment.

I would argue that's kind of a problem.  In the grand scheme of things, the economy isn't healthy if the numbers look great but everyone is living in a favella.


Maybe as the rest of the world is catching up to the US and adjusting living standards upward, the US is narrowing the gap by adjusting downward.
 
2014-05-02 08:22:03 PM  

kyrg: Waiting for someone to write the best "Bushes fault " diatribe of the evening, shouldn't be long now.

iamhilarious.com
 
2014-05-02 08:23:59 PM  
photos.imageevent.com
 
2014-05-02 08:26:33 PM  

jjorsett: cabbyman: If people keep dropping out of the workforce at this rate unemployment will be 6% by election time.

That will help Democrats a lot!

According to Nancy Pelosi, people are being "liberated" by having their hours cut below 40 per week. Democrats just need to make the case that 0 hours per week is the most liberating of all.


I can never tell if he's posted in the right thread or not.
 
2014-05-02 08:28:43 PM  

Omahawg: At this point the generic Democrat has better odds than whatever lurching abomination makes it through the GOP nomination process.


For which offices?  This is 2014 we're talking about; there is no presidential election in 2014.
 
2014-05-02 08:31:03 PM  

StokeyBob: [photos.imageevent.com image 452x206]


I dont get it
 
2014-05-02 08:32:18 PM  

ScaryBottles: kyrg: Waiting for someone to write the best "Bushes fault " diatribe of the evening, shouldn't be long now.[iamhilarious.com image 400x300]


Try harder.
 
2014-05-02 08:32:19 PM  

StokeyBob: [photos.imageevent.com image 452x206]

Bus Stop motif!
 
2014-05-02 08:34:21 PM  

fusillade762: /oblig for all "economy is improving" threads


ZOMG hyperinflation is killing the economy and 0bama is cooking the books to prove it's not happening!
 
2014-05-02 08:34:57 PM  

kyrg: ScaryBottles: kyrg: Waiting for someone to write the best "Bushes fault " diatribe of the evening, shouldn't be long now.[iamhilarious.com image 400x300]

Try harder.

When you stop tossing out five year old cargo cult derp I will.
 
2014-05-02 08:39:34 PM  

nosearchimi: StokeyBob: [photos.imageevent.com image 452x206]

I dont get it


The Dhimmycraps are taking mah money's!!!!
 
2014-05-02 08:42:11 PM  

flondrix: Omahawg: At this point the generic Democrat has better odds than whatever lurching abomination makes it through the GOP nomination process.

For which offices?  This is 2014 we're talking about; there is no presidential election in 2014.


congressional?
 
2014-05-02 08:44:03 PM  

ghare: cabbyman: If people keep dropping out of the workforce at this rate unemployment will be 6% by election time.

That will help Democrats a lot!

How dare people retire!


I know, and look at this trend from 2000-2010. Damn that Obama and his time machine.

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2014-05-02 08:46:03 PM  
Actually, it might. Assuming we can avoid self-inflicted wounds for the next 6 months, if employment growth accelerates to 225,000 jobs/month, and we need 107,000 to keep up with population growth, then we'd end up with (225000-107000)*6=708,000 jobs created in excess of population growth.

Really the question hinges on how much of the drop off in the labor force is cyclical vs structural. If the people who've dropped out of the labor force are unemployable ("zero marginal product workers" -I kind of doubt it), then there's less slack in the labor market, and average wage growth accelerates. On the other hand, if people are leaving the labor force because they can't get jobs (they are), there's more slack, wage growth stays subdued, but employment growth rates pick up.

But yeah, it's entirely possible the economy could improve enough between now and October/early November that the GOP would look less attractive as people are less afraid and uncertain.
 
2014-05-02 08:47:08 PM  
No.  The democrats are facing such a bad map that there isn't really a scenario in which they do well in 2014.  2016 on the other hand potentially will be great.
 
2014-05-02 08:47:49 PM  

ScaryBottles: kyrg: ScaryBottles: kyrg: Waiting for someone to write the best "Bushes fault " diatribe of the evening, shouldn't be long now.[iamhilarious.com image 400x300]

Try harder.
When you stop tossing out five year old cargo cult derp I will.


10 points for you. Feynman would be proud.
 
2014-05-02 08:48:12 PM  
"Even though the economy has been improving the last few years"....

For millionaires maybe. Obama has improved to lot for corporations and the rich more than any Republican in history.
 
2014-05-02 08:49:44 PM  

cchris_39: "Even though the economy has been improving the last few years"....

For millionaires maybe. Obama has improved to lot for corporations and the rich more than any Republican in history.


So you're admitting that "trickle down economics" doesn't work?
 
2014-05-02 08:49:52 PM  

Hollie Maea: No.  The democrats are facing such a bad map that there isn't really a scenario in which they do well in 2014.  2016 on the other hand potentially will be great.


Doing badly in 2014 will help the Dems in 2016. Having the GOP run the legislatures for the last two years of Obama's term, and do what they will do with that time, will be the best thing that ever happened to the Dems.
 
2014-05-02 08:51:46 PM  

Mrtraveler01: cchris_39: "Even though the economy has been improving the last few years"....

For millionaires maybe. Obama has improved to lot for corporations and the rich more than any Republican in history.

So you're admitting that "trickle down economics" doesn't work?


Heh. :D
 
2014-05-02 08:55:05 PM  
Before Bill Gates walks into the bar the average income of the patrons is ~75k /year.   After he walks in the average income is 10m / year.  Same problem for the Democrats.  The only people recovering are the rich.  And people are seeing it.  At the checkout today a girl was telling me how her hours were slashed due to Obama care.  Now I know that that is not exactly true but if she votes she might not be inclined to vote for who she believes hurt her bottom line.
 
2014-05-02 08:57:18 PM  

bigsteve3OOO: Before Bill Gates walks into the bar the average income of the patrons is ~75k /year.   After he walks in the average income is 10m / year.  Same problem for the Democrats.  The only people recovering are the rich.  And people are seeing it.


But I was told that if we made rich people even more rich, the wealth would "trickle down" to us!

You guys hate Obama so much that you're willing to trash your own economic beliefs for it.
 
2014-05-02 08:57:42 PM  

Mrtraveler01: cchris_39: "Even though the economy has been improving the last few years"....

For millionaires maybe. Obama has improved to lot for corporations and the rich more than any Republican in history.

So you're admitting that "trickle down economics" doesn't work?


Is Obama using trickle down?

The income and wealth disparity have been the worst under him so if he is using trickle down it isn't much of a trickle.
 
2014-05-02 08:57:58 PM  

jso2897: Hollie Maea: No.  The democrats are facing such a bad map that there isn't really a scenario in which they do well in 2014.  2016 on the other hand potentially will be great.

Doing badly in 2014 will help the Dems in 2016. Having the GOP run the legislatures for the last two years of Obama's term, and do what they will do with that time, will be the best thing that ever happened to the Dems.


I don't know about that.  Right now it's easy to see the Republicans are the ones screwing up the government - they only hold half of one branch, but they're using that power to gum up the works completely.  If they held both the House and Senate Obama could be viewed as being obstructionist just for vetoing the batshiat insane stuff they're liable to try to pass.

Plus, Ruth Bader-Ginsberg is getting close to retirement.  The Senate has to confirm her replacement.  She either needs to leave the bench before November so that Obama can nominate and have confirmed a progressive justice to replace her, or in the event of a GOP takeover of the Senate hold on for at least two more years and hope the Democrats take it back and keep the White House in 2016.

Tipping the balance of the Supreme Court away from the conservatives towards the progressives would do more to help the country than having 10 Democratic Presidents in a row.
 
2014-05-02 08:58:18 PM  

cchris_39: "Even though the economy has been improving the last few years"....

For millionaires maybe. Obama has improved to lot for corporations and the rich more than any Republican in history.


So isn't incredibly stupid how Republicans blocked Obama from raising taxes on the rich and complain of a class warfare from Obama attacking the rich, blocking his every move saying he was attacking the wealthy?

You can't be a socialist, populist class warfare wealthy "job creator" hater and "improved the lot for corporations and the rich more than any..." at the same time.

Do you realize that or do you have the Obama Derangement Syndrome?
 
2014-05-02 08:58:23 PM  

cchris_39: "Even though the economy has been improving the last few years"....

For millionaires maybe. Obama has improved to lot for corporations and the rich more than any Republican in history.


This drivel gets pretty tiresome. If the Senate gains a Republican majority in 2014 you won't have your shill job anymore. You will be an unemployed tool. Think about that.
 
2014-05-02 08:58:52 PM  
I actually think that this year will be a very good year economically.  Things are really starting to heat up.  Of course, as has been the case for the last 40 years, most of the benefit will go to the upper class, but still unemployment should get a big boost this year and so forth.

Democrats will still get waxed in November though, because they are defending a bunch of red state seats (this year is the class of 2008) plus democrats don't vote in midterms.

Republicans of course will interpret that as meaning that they were right about #0bummergazicare and will overstep to their demise.
 
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