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2014-05-02 02:58:29 PM
FTFA: Speaking at a news conference with German chancellor Angela Merkel at the White House, Obama noted that Lockett had been convicted of "heinous crimes" and that there were certain circumstances in which the death penalty may be appropriate. But he added: "What happened in Oklahoma is deeply troubling."

What a balanced, reasoned opinion that seems.....

....THAT HAS NO PLACE ON FARK
 
2014-05-02 03:18:48 PM
Didn't the fark headline for this predict what actually happened?

Drunk fark admins: more prescient than Oklahoma legislators.
 
2014-05-02 03:25:13 PM
Watch out for the meth heads.
 
2014-05-02 03:25:17 PM
Oh, god.  Now they'll never shut up about blue helmets and black helicopters.
 
2014-05-02 03:27:10 PM

Diogenes: Oh, god.  Now they'll never shut up about blue helmets and black helicopters.


If I was anywhere near Oklahoma, I would have some fun with this.  All you'd need is a helmet, some camos, and a can of powder blue spray paint.
 
2014-05-02 03:29:56 PM

Marcus Aurelius: Diogenes: Oh, god.  Now they'll never shut up about blue helmets and black helicopters.

If I was anywhere near Oklahoma, I would have some fun with this.  All you'd need is a helmet, some camos, and a can of powder blue spray paint.


Oy.  You're a braver man than I.
 
2014-05-02 03:34:58 PM
The Sooners, the better
 
2014-05-02 04:03:38 PM
Oklahoma may have set the US down the path of banning all executions.
 
2014-05-02 04:15:56 PM
dallasmorningviewsblog.dallasnews.com

They should've buried him alive.
 
2014-05-02 04:20:53 PM

meat0918: Oklahoma may have set the US down the path of banning all executions.


good.jpg
 
2014-05-02 04:21:37 PM
AGENDA 21! They tried to warn us!
 
2014-05-02 04:22:37 PM
I'm having a really hard time conjuring up any sympathy for this shiatbag.
 
2014-05-02 04:23:13 PM
Why don't they just give executionees lethal doses of morphine? Seems the humane thing to do.
 
2014-05-02 04:24:13 PM

Rent Party: I'm having a really hard time conjuring up any sympathy for this shiatbag.


I guarantee you will feel differently once we're all living under UN imposed Sharia law.
 
2014-05-02 04:24:32 PM
The man's crimes were heinous, no doubt, and he deserved to rot in jail for the rest of his life.

But if this is what we call "justice", then we have no right to consider ourselves a civilized nation.
 
2014-05-02 04:25:06 PM

meat0918: Oklahoma may have set the US down the path of banning all executions.


I could see that if at the end Lockete is found to be completely innocent.  But until then, a convicted baby rapist and murderer dies a horrible death.... tiny fiddle.
 
2014-05-02 04:25:24 PM

UrukHaiGuyz: Why don't they just give executionees lethal doses of morphine? Seems the humane thing to do.


Or let them breathe nitrogen out of the bottle.  The subject passes out before they know what hit them.  But I guess that's just a it too humane.
 
2014-05-02 04:25:28 PM

Marcus Aurelius: Rent Party: I'm having a really hard time conjuring up any sympathy for this shiatbag.

I guarantee you will feel differently once we're all living under UN imposed Sharia law.


No way, dude.  I can't wait for my gay marriage and first socialism abortion.

I've been saving up for the big day!
 
2014-05-02 04:25:51 PM

Saiga410: meat0918: Oklahoma may have set the US down the path of banning all executions.

I could see that if at the end Lockete is found to be completely innocent.  But until then, a convicted baby rapist and murderer dies a horrible death.... tiny fiddle.


This
 
2014-05-02 04:25:56 PM

Saiga410: meat0918: Oklahoma may have set the US down the path of banning all executions.

I could see that if at the end Lockete is found to be completely innocent.  But until then, a convicted baby rapist and murderer dies a horrible death.... tiny fiddle.


How we treat the worst of us tells us about the worst in us.
 
2014-05-02 04:26:04 PM

keylock71: The man's crimes were heinous, no doubt, and he deserved to rot in jail for the rest of his life.

But if this is what we call "justice", then we have no right to consider ourselves a civilized nation.


Our Constitution pretty obviously forbids executing someone like this.

Republicans don't care about the Constitution in this instance, for some reason.
 
2014-05-02 04:26:22 PM

meat0918: Oklahoma may have set the US down the path of banning all executions.


Nah, I think we're going to go back to the old tried and true method of hanging.
 
2014-05-02 04:28:04 PM

Marcus Aurelius: UrukHaiGuyz: Why don't they just give executionees lethal doses of morphine? Seems the humane thing to do.

Or let them breathe nitrogen out of the bottle.  The subject passes out before they know what hit them.  But I guess that's just a it too humane.


while that is probably the most humane way to kill people, there's still the whole concept issue with executions and the larger issue of civic role of the prison system

Dubya's_Coke_Dealer: Our Constitution pretty obviously forbids executing someone like this.


no, our definition of 'cruel and unusual' has shifted with social mores. used to be burning people at the stake was neither cruel nor unusual
 
2014-05-02 04:28:30 PM

Bloody William: Saiga410: meat0918: Oklahoma may have set the US down the path of banning all executions.

I could see that if at the end Lockete is found to be completely innocent.  But until then, a convicted baby rapist and murderer dies a horrible death.... tiny fiddle.

How we treat the worst of us tells us about the worst in us.


I dont want people to suffer but accidentally something bad happens to someone bad does not make me want to shut the whole thing down.
 
2014-05-02 04:28:36 PM

Marcus Aurelius: UrukHaiGuyz: Why don't they just give executionees lethal doses of morphine? Seems the humane thing to do.

Or let them breathe nitrogen out of the bottle.  The subject passes out before they know what hit them.  But I guess that's just a it too humane.


Never understood why they don't do this. Especially if they have an old gas chamber lying around. Put the subject in. Pump 100% full of nitrogen. Wait for him to painlessly pass out and die.

Bonuses: cheap, no toxic waste.

Oh wait, it's cheap. No way for someone to make big profits. I now see the problem.
 
2014-05-02 04:29:35 PM

Rent Party: No way, dude.  I can't wait for my gay marriage and first socialism abortion.

I've been saving up for the big day!


Pfft, no saving needed. It'll be free for you because of the new 90% tax rate that will be enacted on any christian church whose membership is over 50% white.
 
2014-05-02 04:30:24 PM

UrukHaiGuyz: Why don't they just give executionees lethal doses of morphine? Seems the humane thing to do.


Because, silly, that would make sense. And the manufacturer refuses to sell them the drug for that specific purpose.

/ I've noticed that nobody wants their proprietary drug associated with capital punishment
 
2014-05-02 04:30:57 PM

impaler: Marcus Aurelius: UrukHaiGuyz: Why don't they just give executionees lethal doses of morphine? Seems the humane thing to do.

Or let them breathe nitrogen out of the bottle.  The subject passes out before they know what hit them.  But I guess that's just a it too humane.

Never understood why they don't do this. Especially if they have an old gas chamber lying around. Put the subject in. Pump 100% full of nitrogen. Wait for him to painlessly pass out and die.

Bonuses: cheap, no toxic waste.

Oh wait, it's cheap. No way for someone to make big profits. I now see the problem.


Gas chambers have too much historical baggage. Would never pass.
 
2014-05-02 04:31:15 PM
No strongly worded letter joke? Fark I am disappoint.
 
2014-05-02 04:31:41 PM
There isn't a human being alive who shouldn't condemn what the government of Oklahoma did to one of its citizens.

The fact that there is little or no outrage in America over what Oklahoma did to this man--halting his execution before he died then letting him die--shows how much damage has been done to our decency. Shrugging your shoulders or even applauding the inhumane death of a human being at the hands of the state is almost as disgusting as what occurred in the death chamber.

You know who else liked to halt executions and resuscitate the condemned only to string them up again and again? The SS. They did that to  a naked Admiral Canaris. He was a double agent, head of the German military intelligence. The SS spent about 45 minutes killing him with a piano wire noose. Up, wait until he blacks out, down, wait until he revives, up, wait until he blacks out, down till he revives, up...

So go ahead and applaud what Oklahoma did to a murderer. Maybe someday Oklahoma will get as good at doing that kind of thing as the SS was.
 
2014-05-02 04:32:15 PM

iheartscotch: UrukHaiGuyz: Why don't they just give executionees lethal doses of morphine? Seems the humane thing to do.

Because, silly, that would make sense. And the manufacturer refuses to sell them the drug for that specific purpose.

/ I've noticed that nobody wants their proprietary drug associated with capital punishment


The DEA confiscates opiates all the time and has to pay good money to dispose of it..... might I offer a win win situation?
 
2014-05-02 04:32:16 PM

impaler: Marcus Aurelius: UrukHaiGuyz: Why don't they just give executionees lethal doses of morphine? Seems the humane thing to do.

Or let them breathe nitrogen out of the bottle.  The subject passes out before they know what hit them.  But I guess that's just a it too humane.

Never understood why they don't do this. Especially if they have an old gas chamber lying around. Put the subject in. Pump 100% full of nitrogen. Wait for him to painlessly pass out and die.

Bonuses: cheap, no toxic waste.

Oh wait, it's cheap. No way for someone to make big profits. I now see the problem.


That may be why we don't hang anybody anymore.  The rope is reusable.
 
2014-05-02 04:33:43 PM

Saiga410: Bloody William: Saiga410: meat0918: Oklahoma may have set the US down the path of banning all executions.

I could see that if at the end Lockete is found to be completely innocent.  But until then, a convicted baby rapist and murderer dies a horrible death.... tiny fiddle.

How we treat the worst of us tells us about the worst in us.

I dont want people to suffer but accidentally something bad happens to someone bad does not make me want to shut the whole thing down.


Except it wasn't accidental. It was the governor of Oklahoma rushing to perform an execution when the reliable source of chemicals used for execution stopped selling to the state, and deciding that it was so important to kill this man immediately that it was justifiable to experiment on a prisoner with chemicals rather than spending the time to make sure the cocktail used would carry out the execution humanely.

That's not accidental. That's dark Mengele shiat there and that Oklahoma did it as the governor's policy is chilling to the goddamn bone. We as a people should be better, or at least more patient, than rushing and experimenting on prisoners with poisons because we're so desperate to get our murder on. We shouldn't put our humanity second to our need for retribution.
 
2014-05-02 04:34:10 PM

Rent Party: I'm having a really hard time conjuring up any sympathy for this shiatbag.


Whether or not he's a horrible person doesn't mean it's OK to go "We have this untested murder drug. Let's shove it in his veins and see what it does!"

I mean, that is, and this is not hyperbole or using the words wrong, *LITERALLY* some of the shiat Mengele pulled.

It's more a reflection on *YOU* by farking *doing it*.
 
2014-05-02 04:34:26 PM
Good, get me out of this state.
 
2014-05-02 04:35:34 PM
Odd that Saddam Hussein gave (some of) the people he executed a faster, more painless death than we give the condemned in the US. [link]
 
2014-05-02 04:35:55 PM

Saiga410: meat0918: Oklahoma may have set the US down the path of banning all executions.

I could see that if at the end Lockete is found to be completely innocent.  But until then, a convicted baby rapist and murderer dies a horrible death.... tiny fiddle.


The purpose of the execution was to remove him from society in punishment for his crime, not to inflict unimaginable pain.  In order for the state to maintain dignity, it should never allow there to be confusion between justice and vengeance.
 
2014-05-02 04:37:59 PM

Marcus Aurelius: Diogenes: Oh, god.  Now they'll never shut up about blue helmets and black helicopters.

If I was anywhere near Oklahoma, I would have some fun with this.  All you'd need is a helmet, some camos, and a can of powder blue spray paint.


I would definitely change the network name on my WiFi router to "United Nations Security Force Network" or something like that.
 
2014-05-02 04:38:14 PM
And by you I sort of mean society that condones this. Obviously you were not the attending physician.

Saiga410: I dont want people to suffer but accidentally something bad happens to someone bad does not make me want to shut the whole thing down.


WHOOPS, we ACCIDENTALLY used this completely untested chemical cocktail and ACCIDENTALLY cowed the state supreme

court into reversing their ruling blocking the execution! Aw, shucks.

 /that is not how accidents work.

sprawl15: used to be burning people at the stake was neither cruel nor unusual


I'm sorry, do you have evidence of any of that happening after we laid down that whole "Cruel and unusual" thing?
/Because A) They didn't burn witches at salem. Drowning and crushed to death, yeah. Not a lot of burning.
B) Salem was almost a CENTURY before the revolutionary war.
 
2014-05-02 04:38:18 PM

Bloody William: Saiga410: Bloody William: Saiga410: meat0918: Oklahoma may have set the US down the path of banning all executions.

I could see that if at the end Lockete is found to be completely innocent.  But until then, a convicted baby rapist and murderer dies a horrible death.... tiny fiddle.

How we treat the worst of us tells us about the worst in us.

I dont want people to suffer but accidentally something bad happens to someone bad does not make me want to shut the whole thing down.

Except it wasn't accidental. It was the governor of Oklahoma rushing to perform an execution when the reliable source of chemicals used for execution stopped selling to the state, and deciding that it was so important to kill this man immediately that it was justifiable to experiment on a prisoner with chemicals rather than spending the time to make sure the cocktail used would carry out the execution humanely.

That's not accidental. That's dark Mengele shiat there and that Oklahoma did it as the governor's policy is chilling to the goddamn bone. We as a people should be better, or at least more patient, than rushing and experimenting on prisoners with poisons because we're so desperate to get our murder on. We shouldn't put our humanity second to our need for retribution.


Wrong
The drugs being used had nothing to w/ it

The lab tech, paramedic, nurse, whatever the hell they're called screwed up and didn't properly insert the needle.  That's why the guy didn't die immediately and had a heart attack instead, screaming about the drugs just makes you look like a complete moron
 
2014-05-02 04:39:00 PM

Felgraf: Rent Party: I'm having a really hard time conjuring up any sympathy for this shiatbag.

Whether or not he's a horrible person doesn't mean it's OK to go "We have this untested murder drug. Let's shove it in his veins and see what it does!"

I mean, that is, and this is not hyperbole or using the words wrong, *LITERALLY* some of the shiat Mengele pulled.


Except for that whole "innocent Jews" vs "convicted brutal murderer and rapist" angle.

That bit probably isn't *LITERALLY* hyperbole.    Oh wait, yes it was.

Fark this guy.  All this says to me is we aught to revive the gallows and firing squads just in case we run out of potassium chloride.
 
2014-05-02 04:40:51 PM
Why didn't they just shoot him? Somebody in Oklahoma probably has a gun. How hard is that to figure out?
 
2014-05-02 04:41:32 PM

Bloody William: Saiga410: Bloody William: Saiga410: meat0918: Oklahoma may have set the US down the path of banning all executions.

I could see that if at the end Lockete is found to be completely innocent.  But until then, a convicted baby rapist and murderer dies a horrible death.... tiny fiddle.

How we treat the worst of us tells us about the worst in us.

I dont want people to suffer but accidentally something bad happens to someone bad does not make me want to shut the whole thing down.

Except it wasn't accidental. It was the governor of Oklahoma rushing to perform an execution when the reliable source of chemicals used for execution stopped selling to the state, and deciding that it was so important to kill this man immediately that it was justifiable to experiment on a prisoner with chemicals rather than spending the time to make sure the cocktail used would carry out the execution humanely.

That's not accidental. That's dark Mengele shiat there and that Oklahoma did it as the governor's policy is chilling to the goddamn bone. We as a people should be better, or at least more patient, than rushing and experimenting on prisoners with poisons because we're so desperate to get our murder on. We shouldn't put our humanity second to our need for retribution.


Yup.  And it's worth considering whether the governor would have gone to such lengths to, say, make sure an elderly person got their Meals on Wheels, or a homeless person got a bed in a shelter.  It speaks volumes about this country that an execution can be considered a more dire social good than food and shelter.
 
2014-05-02 04:41:54 PM

Marcus Aurelius: Diogenes: Oh, god.  Now they'll never shut up about blue helmets and black helicopters.

If I was anywhere near Oklahoma, I would have some fun with this.  All you'd need is a helmet, some camos, and a can of powder blue spray paint.


Just leave the helmet lying alongside the road some where.
 
2014-05-02 04:41:56 PM

Rent Party: Felgraf: Rent Party: I'm having a really hard time conjuring up any sympathy for this shiatbag.

Whether or not he's a horrible person doesn't mean it's OK to go "We have this untested murder drug. Let's shove it in his veins and see what it does!"

I mean, that is, and this is not hyperbole or using the words wrong, *LITERALLY* some of the shiat Mengele pulled.

Except for that whole "innocent Jews" vs "convicted brutal murderer and rapist" angle.

That bit probably isn't *LITERALLY* hyperbole.    Oh wait, yes it was.

Fark this guy.  All this says to me is we aught to revive the gallows and firing squads just in case we run out of potassium chloride.


Burn them at the stake, fire is cheap and much more entertaining when there can be a call in vote on how high to crank it with the money raised going to the victim's family, tax free
 
2014-05-02 04:42:29 PM

Rent Party: Felgraf: Rent Party: I'm having a really hard time conjuring up any sympathy for this shiatbag.

Whether or not he's a horrible person doesn't mean it's OK to go "We have this untested murder drug. Let's shove it in his veins and see what it does!"

I mean, that is, and this is not hyperbole or using the words wrong, *LITERALLY* some of the shiat Mengele pulled.

Except for that whole "innocent Jews" vs "convicted brutal murderer and rapist" angle.

That bit probably isn't *LITERALLY* hyperbole.    Oh wait, yes it was.

Fark this guy.  All this says to me is we aught to revive the gallows and firing squads just in case we run out of potassium chloride.


Ah, so as long as we use people that we're pretty sure are human pond scum, human experimentation is A-OK?

Got it.

Are we going by a SUBJECTIVE definition of worthless?
 
2014-05-02 04:43:01 PM

ShadowKamui: Bloody William: Saiga410: Bloody William: Saiga410: meat0918: Oklahoma may have set the US down the path of banning all executions.

I could see that if at the end Lockete is found to be completely innocent.  But until then, a convicted baby rapist and murderer dies a horrible death.... tiny fiddle.

How we treat the worst of us tells us about the worst in us.

I dont want people to suffer but accidentally something bad happens to someone bad does not make me want to shut the whole thing down.

Except it wasn't accidental. It was the governor of Oklahoma rushing to perform an execution when the reliable source of chemicals used for execution stopped selling to the state, and deciding that it was so important to kill this man immediately that it was justifiable to experiment on a prisoner with chemicals rather than spending the time to make sure the cocktail used would carry out the execution humanely.

That's not accidental. That's dark Mengele shiat there and that Oklahoma did it as the governor's policy is chilling to the goddamn bone. We as a people should be better, or at least more patient, than rushing and experimenting on prisoners with poisons because we're so desperate to get our murder on. We shouldn't put our humanity second to our need for retribution.

Wrong
The drugs being used had nothing to w/ it

The lab tech, paramedic, nurse, whatever the hell they're called screwed up and didn't properly insert the needle.  That's why the guy didn't die immediately and had a heart attack instead, screaming about the drugs just makes you look like a complete moron


Either one of you have proof on stick vs drugs?
 
2014-05-02 04:45:23 PM

Saiga410: ShadowKamui: Bloody William: Saiga410: Bloody William: Saiga410: meat0918: Oklahoma may have set the US down the path of banning all executions.

I could see that if at the end Lockete is found to be completely innocent.  But until then, a convicted baby rapist and murderer dies a horrible death.... tiny fiddle.

How we treat the worst of us tells us about the worst in us.

I dont want people to suffer but accidentally something bad happens to someone bad does not make me want to shut the whole thing down.

Except it wasn't accidental. It was the governor of Oklahoma rushing to perform an execution when the reliable source of chemicals used for execution stopped selling to the state, and deciding that it was so important to kill this man immediately that it was justifiable to experiment on a prisoner with chemicals rather than spending the time to make sure the cocktail used would carry out the execution humanely.

That's not accidental. That's dark Mengele shiat there and that Oklahoma did it as the governor's policy is chilling to the goddamn bone. We as a people should be better, or at least more patient, than rushing and experimenting on prisoners with poisons because we're so desperate to get our murder on. We shouldn't put our humanity second to our need for retribution.

Wrong
The drugs being used had nothing to w/ it

The lab tech, paramedic, nurse, whatever the hell they're called screwed up and didn't properly insert the needle.  That's why the guy didn't die immediately and had a heart attack instead, screaming about the drugs just makes you look like a complete moron

Either one of you have proof on stick vs drugs?


http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-27249743
 
2014-05-02 04:46:16 PM

red5ish: Why didn't they just shoot him? Somebody in Oklahoma probably has a gun. How hard is that to figure out?


Let's just say they don't slap newborns in Oklahoma.
 
2014-05-02 04:47:48 PM

Felgraf: I'm sorry, do you have evidence of any of that happening after we laid down that whole "Cruel and unusual" thing?


you can tell that "burning at the stake happened after the constitution was written" and "burning at the stake used to be considered neither cruel nor unusual" are different sentences because the words are mostly different and arranged in a different manner

ShadowKamui: The drugs being used had nothing to w/ it

The lab tech, paramedic, nurse, whatever the hell they're called screwed up and didn't properly insert the needle.


the change in drugs required a significant change in procedure

turns out significantly changing the procedure at the last minute can lead to mistakes

who knew
 
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