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(BBC-US)   Pootie calls for emergency UN Security Council meeting upon news Russian special forces, I mean grass roots protesters are taking higher casualties than the Ukrainian army   (bbc.com) divider line 172
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2014-05-02 12:57:57 PM  
He is going thru the normal steps quickly. Within 24 hours, it will be game on.
 
2014-05-02 01:09:00 PM  
Moscow has said the use of the Ukrainian army against its own people is "leading Ukraine to catastrophe".

He sounds concerned.
 
2014-05-02 01:20:09 PM  
I guess Kiev finally decided it didn't want to be Chechnya II: Russian Boogaloo. Good for them. The apparent lesson in all the former soviet states is to acquire nukes ASAP and point them at Moscow. Never bargain them away.
 
2014-05-02 01:26:53 PM  

PreMortem: Within 24 hours, it will be game on.


i.imgur.com

Time to dig out the Jack Hild books.
 
2014-05-02 02:08:29 PM  
"its own people." LOL.
 
2014-05-02 02:21:50 PM  
I certainly hope that, if they are Russian troops in Ukranie, that they have appropriate IDs for Geneva Conventions reason.

Rather see them treated as POWs rather than terrorists or spies.
 
2014-05-02 02:25:36 PM  
Is that City 17?
 
2014-05-02 02:31:42 PM  
This will get out of control and we'll all be lucky to get set up with a reverse mortgage.
 
2014-05-02 02:32:35 PM  
The meeting already happened (finished about a half hour ago). Nothing significant occurred.
It should also be noted (if the Ukrainian ambassador is to be believed) that Ukraine's forces have strict orders not to fire on residential structures (even though they're taking fire -from- said structures).
 
2014-05-02 02:33:08 PM  
sd.keepcalm-o-matic.co.uk
 
2014-05-02 02:34:42 PM  
Within 1 week(maybe 2) he'll have Russian regulars there... for humanitarian reasons.
 
2014-05-02 02:36:55 PM  
Is there a betting pool on final territorial allocation?
 
2014-05-02 02:38:38 PM  
Tennis balls my liege
 
2014-05-02 02:41:42 PM  

AirForceVet: I certainly hope that, if they are Russian troops in Ukranie, that they have appropriate IDs for Geneva Conventions reason.

Rather see them treated as POWs rather than terrorists or spies.


That's a hard one, if they go with the Kremlin line and claim to be Ukrainian and have Russian ID they're just as likely to be treated as terrorists and spies maybe more so. It's unlikely that many of them actually are Russian special forces. The bulk will likely be local Ukrainians who have strong links to Russia and who are being trained, equipped and lead by Russian special forces.
 
2014-05-02 02:43:31 PM  
The casualty rates the "pro-separatist militias" are taking are surprising high given when more or less have proof they're really Russian Spetznaz troops add to that how  well the Ukrainian forces are doing this time compared to a week ago and it makes me highly suspicious that the US or possibly NATO is "pulling a Putin" and hiding some its own elite troops and or advisers in among the Ukrainian regulars.  Also will NOT be shocked if the Ukrainian government suddenly decides to sign a contract with  Executive Outcomes for "training and consulting " services the way the Croatian Army did back in the 1990's just before they started kicking Serbian ass
 
2014-05-02 02:44:00 PM  
Time for Ukraine to receive some A-10 Warthogs.
Just for training.

/Time to kill the Russians!
 
2014-05-02 02:44:47 PM  
These russian special forces protesters are fighting against their own government, so its Ukraine's internal matter to deal with.
Russia has no legal say in how a foreign government treats its own.

/Send an angry memo to the UN. We'll get right on it.
/They've used that line on us more than a few times...
 
2014-05-02 02:49:28 PM  

AirForceVet: I certainly hope that, if they are Russian troops in Ukranie, that they have appropriate IDs for Geneva Conventions reason.

Rather see them treated as POWs rather than terrorists or spies.


I imagine if there are any, Ukraine will display them prominently.

And if it turns out there aren't any, noone at all will come out and say "OK, I bought into the wrong propaganda like a tool".
 
2014-05-02 02:49:40 PM  
Watching online real-time news from Odessa, at least 14 people are dead right now. (That's not Slavansk and not the result of the anti-terrorist operation, it's from street fighting in the city in the South of Ukraine, far from Russian border.) More than 3000 people are on the streets. Lots of hate.
 
2014-05-02 02:50:23 PM  
Of course, because when Syria was shooting their own people it was someone's internal issue, hands off, damn American's imposing their will.

How does it feel now Puti-poot????
 
2014-05-02 02:50:39 PM  

way south: These russian special forces protesters are fighting against their own government, so its Ukraine's internal matter to deal with.



Putin is just helping out with Ukranian Spring.

/he's a liberator
 
2014-05-02 02:51:31 PM  

Magorn: The casualty rates the "pro-separatist militias" are taking are surprising high given when more or less have proof they're really Russian Spetznaz troops add to that how  well the Ukrainian forces are doing this time compared to a week ago and it makes me highly suspicious that the US or possibly NATO is "pulling a Putin" and hiding some its own elite troops and or advisers in among the Ukrainian regulars.  Also will NOT be shocked if the Ukrainian government suddenly decides to sign a contract with  Executive Outcomes for "training and consulting " services the way the Croatian Army did back in the 1990's just before they started kicking Serbian ass


Any bets on the Ukrainian army being reinforced by 'irregular' forces, perhaps mercenary forces bought and shipped in by NATO from Eastern European nations to stiffen the Ukrainian army?
 
2014-05-02 02:51:32 PM  
If Putin was serious about Eastern Ukraine the way he was about Crimea, why would he be leaning on the 'local supporters' so much more?
By all accounts Crimea was even *more* pro-Russia and yet that seizure was damn-near-100% "little green men".

This still looks like theatre to me; to make "just Crimea" look like a reasonable concession.
 
2014-05-02 02:51:41 PM  
The only thing that can save Ukraine, is if Russia takes enough casualties that the Russian people turn on Putin.  It happened to the Commies (and everyone else) in Afghanistan, it can happen to Putin today.
 
2014-05-02 02:52:14 PM  
And... here we see the neoconservative ideology in freefall.
 
2014-05-02 02:53:28 PM  
No worries. Those economic sanctions will be kicking in RSN.


/bound to work
//like in Iran
///what could possibly go wrong?
 
2014-05-02 02:53:31 PM  

Ned Stark: Is there a betting pool on final territorial allocation?


Not that I know of, however my best guess is Putin is going all in and will seize the eastern 1/3 of Ukraine along with the southern coastline through Odessa to the border of the Russian enclave of transnistria allowing them to connect that part in one continuous swath of land.  If you are going to use force, you might as well get the most bang for the buck while minimizing problems down the line.  Russia could sieze all of Ukraine but the western portion is so hostile to Russia that they would just be buying themselves an insurgency and unrest for years to come.
 
2014-05-02 02:53:33 PM  

Magorn: The casualty rates the "pro-separatist militias" are taking are surprising high given when more or less have proof they're really Russian Spetznaz troops add to that how  well the Ukrainian forces are doing this time compared to a week ago and it makes me highly suspicious that the US or possibly NATO is "pulling a Putin" and hiding some its own elite troops and or advisers in among the Ukrainian regulars.  Also will NOT be shocked if the Ukrainian government suddenly decides to sign a contract with  Executive Outcomes for "training and consulting " services the way the Croatian Army did back in the 1990's just before they started kicking Serbian ass


There's also a bunch of pro-Russian plants being paid by the ex-president w/ all the money he stole from the treasury.
 
2014-05-02 02:54:19 PM  

Some Coke Drinking Guy: The only thing that can save Ukraine, is if Russia takes enough casualties that the Russian people turn on Putin.  It happened to the Commies (and everyone else) in Afghanistan, it can happen to Putin today.


Ukraine's going to be fine.  The longer sanctions go on, the more painful they get.  The longer this stand-off goes on, the stronger Ukraine's position gets, while Russia's position weakens.

Time is on their side, as the song goes.  That's what all this diplomacy is all about, buying time for Ukraine to get their house in order and for NATO to move quietly in the background to ensure that things turn out like they should.

If you're not sure yet, remember how Crimea fell so quickly when Russia moved quickly to seize control.  They sealed the deal and left us to simply come to terms with it.  That isn't happening in the eastern cities in Ukraine.
 
2014-05-02 02:54:20 PM  
And all the negative comments were basically directed at Moscow, accusing them of supporting the "Pro-Russian" protestors with arms and personnel.

Kind of backfired for Putin? Maybe...
 
2014-05-02 02:54:56 PM  

Magorn: Also will NOT be shocked if the Ukrainian government suddenly decides to sign a contract with Executive Outcomes for "training and consulting " services the way the Croatian Army did back in the 1990's just before they started kicking Serbian ass


I don't want to see a Balkans war redux in Ukraine. I'm not even sure if it's suitable to call that a "war" so much as a competition of who can commit the most grievous war crimes.
 
2014-05-02 02:54:58 PM  
Like i just finished saying in the other thread, after seeing how overjoyed Crimea was to join Russia, and knowing how unpopular the EU is, i have no trouble believing the citizens there genuinely want to join Russia instead.

But of course that makes the EU people mad, and they'll do whatever they have to in order to force Crimea back into the Ukraine against its will. They just have to convince you this is about something more noble to make you go along with it.
 
2014-05-02 02:55:29 PM  

AirForceVet: I certainly hope that, if they are Russian troops in Ukranie, that they have appropriate IDs for Geneva Conventions reason.

Rather see them treated as POWs rather than terrorists or spies.


I'd rather see them treated as pirates ashore and hung from a yardarm.
 
2014-05-02 02:55:43 PM  

Magorn: The casualty rates the "pro-separatist militias" are taking are surprising high given when more or less have proof they're really Russian Spetznaz troops add to that how  well the Ukrainian forces are doing this time compared to a week ago and it makes me highly suspicious that the US or possibly NATO is "pulling a Putin" and hiding some its own elite troops and or advisers in among the Ukrainian regulars.  Also will NOT be shocked if the Ukrainian government suddenly decides to sign a contract with  Executive Outcomes for "training and consulting " services the way the Croatian Army did back in the 1990's just before they started kicking Serbian ass


The Russians, I mean Ukrainian separatist, have already captured several western European military "observers."  Looks like this war is the Olympics of European Special Forces, and since the Western guys have been getting hardened in Iraq and Afghanistan over the past decade, while the Russians have been training for the return of the Cold War, guess who has the edge.
 
2014-05-02 02:56:18 PM  
Sa da tay
 
2014-05-02 02:56:33 PM  
Does Putin realize that if his game fails that he's assured NATO forces on his doorstep for eternity?
 
2014-05-02 02:56:52 PM  

spawn73: AirForceVet: I certainly hope that, if they are Russian troops in Ukranie, that they have appropriate IDs for Geneva Conventions reason.

Rather see them treated as POWs rather than terrorists or spies.

I imagine if there are any, Ukraine will display them prominently.

And if it turns out there aren't any, noone at all will come out and say "OK, I bought into the wrong propaganda like a tool".


I think the saying "spawn73 accusing others of buying into the wrong propaganda" could replace"pot calling the kettle black."
 
2014-05-02 02:57:22 PM  

Infernalist: Some Coke Drinking Guy: The only thing that can save Ukraine, is if Russia takes enough casualties that the Russian people turn on Putin.  It happened to the Commies (and everyone else) in Afghanistan, it can happen to Putin today.

Ukraine's going to be fine.  The longer sanctions go on, the more painful they get.  The longer this stand-off goes on, the stronger Ukraine's position gets, while Russia's position weakens.

Time is on their side, as the song goes.  That's what all this diplomacy is all about, buying time for Ukraine to get their house in order and for NATO to move quietly in the background to ensure that things turn out like they should.

If you're not sure yet, remember how Crimea fell so quickly when Russia moved quickly to seize control.  They sealed the deal and left us to simply come to terms with it.  That isn't happening in the eastern cities in Ukraine.


You're delusional.
 
2014-05-02 02:57:50 PM  
"I hear you, protesters! You can be Russian! Feel free to go join them, there's the door. The borders stay drawn as they are."

I don't see what's so confusing about this.
 
2014-05-02 02:58:28 PM  

Magorn: The casualty rates the "pro-separatist militias" are taking are surprising high given when more or less have proof they're really Russian Spetznaz troops add to that how  well the Ukrainian forces are doing this time compared to a week ago and it makes me highly suspicious that the US or possibly NATO is "pulling a Putin" and hiding some its own elite troops and or advisers in among the Ukrainian regulars.  Also will NOT be shocked if the Ukrainian government suddenly decides to sign a contract with  Executive Outcomes for "training and consulting " services the way the Croatian Army did back in the 1990's just before they started kicking Serbian ass


If you read the reports from a week ago the Ukrainians weren't really fighting yet; they'd drive up, shoot off some rounds, and if the Russians outnumbered them and didn't leave, they'd either high-tail it or surrender. I'm thinking they still didn't have their logistics in place until this week, and that the missions last week were primarily probes meant primarily to scout out Russia positions and secondarily to grab back what the significantly outnumbered Russians either weren't holding or couldn't hold. Now the Ukrainians are ready for real engagements, and you're seeing the weight of their numbers, their superior supplies, and their knowledge of the terrain tell.

It may be that Western forces are being mixed with them(that was obviously going on in Libya and seemed to be going on in Syria for awhile at least, despite assurances otherwise) but I think it's more that Ukraine's finally got its ducks in a row and that this is just their first, serious push back in hopes of securing major cities leading up to the elections.
 
2014-05-02 02:58:37 PM  

Infernalist: Magorn: The casualty rates the "pro-separatist militias" are taking are surprising high given when more or less have proof they're really Russian Spetznaz troops add to that how  well the Ukrainian forces are doing this time compared to a week ago and it makes me highly suspicious that the US or possibly NATO is "pulling a Putin" and hiding some its own elite troops and or advisers in among the Ukrainian regulars.  Also will NOT be shocked if the Ukrainian government suddenly decides to sign a contract with  Executive Outcomes for "training and consulting " services the way the Croatian Army did back in the 1990's just before they started kicking Serbian ass

Any bets on the Ukrainian army being reinforced by 'irregular' forces, perhaps mercenary forces bought and shipped in by NATO from Eastern European nations to stiffen the Ukrainian army?


I don't know...but I do have this feeling that there might be some surprises in store for Putin if he sends in the troops.

I am not alluding to anything specific, but just the way it's playing out it seems that Ukraine has something up its sleeve.

Do TOW missiles fit up a sleeve?
 
2014-05-02 02:59:25 PM  

J. Frank Parnell: Like i just finished saying in the other thread, after seeing how overjoyed Crimea was to join Russia, and knowing how unpopular the EU is, i have no trouble believing the citizens there genuinely want to join Russia instead.

But of course that makes the EU people mad, and they'll do whatever they have to in order to force Crimea back into the Ukraine against its will. They just have to convince you this is about something more noble to make you go along with it.


Yeah, I bet the Tatars were farking thrilled.
 
2014-05-02 03:00:03 PM  
So are they fighting Dennis the Menace??

news.bbcimg.co.uk
 
2014-05-02 03:01:03 PM  

spawn73: Infernalist: Some Coke Drinking Guy: The only thing that can save Ukraine, is if Russia takes enough casualties that the Russian people turn on Putin.  It happened to the Commies (and everyone else) in Afghanistan, it can happen to Putin today.

Ukraine's going to be fine.  The longer sanctions go on, the more painful they get.  The longer this stand-off goes on, the stronger Ukraine's position gets, while Russia's position weakens.

Time is on their side, as the song goes.  That's what all this diplomacy is all about, buying time for Ukraine to get their house in order and for NATO to move quietly in the background to ensure that things turn out like they should.

If you're not sure yet, remember how Crimea fell so quickly when Russia moved quickly to seize control.  They sealed the deal and left us to simply come to terms with it.  That isn't happening in the eastern cities in Ukraine.

You're delusional.


And you're adorable.  Wanna tell me what part is confusing you so I can break it down to you in one-syllable words for easier digestion?
 
2014-05-02 03:01:43 PM  

Some Coke Drinking Guy: Magorn: The casualty rates the "pro-separatist militias" are taking are surprising high given when more or less have proof they're really Russian Spetznaz troops add to that how  well the Ukrainian forces are doing this time compared to a week ago and it makes me highly suspicious that the US or possibly NATO is "pulling a Putin" and hiding some its own elite troops and or advisers in among the Ukrainian regulars.  Also will NOT be shocked if the Ukrainian government suddenly decides to sign a contract with  Executive Outcomes for "training and consulting " services the way the Croatian Army did back in the 1990's just before they started kicking Serbian ass

The Russians, I mean Ukrainian separatist, have already captured several western European military "observers."  Looks like this war is the Olympics of European Special Forces, and since the Western guys have been getting hardened in Iraq and Afghanistan over the past decade, while the Russians have been training for the return of the Cold War, guess who has the edge.


http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/04/22/germany-helped-prep -r ussia-for-war-u-s-sources-say.html

Apparently they weren't.

If the Ukrainians aren't fighting any Russian forces, then you're just as much a tool as the rest of the lot here.
 
2014-05-02 03:02:19 PM  

dj_spanmaster: "I hear you, protesters! You can be Russian! Feel free to go join them, there's the door. The borders stay drawn as they are."

I don't see what's so confusing about this.


I'd compare it to those people here in the US who want to secede because 'Obama ruined the country for everz!', while yelling at everyone who is a 'murica' hating socialist' to leave their great nation.
 
2014-05-02 03:04:19 PM  
See, my damie, Pootie Tang don't wa-da-tah to the shama cow... 'cause thats a cama cama leepa-chaiii, dig?
 
2014-05-02 03:04:37 PM  

TheYeti: Infernalist: Magorn: The casualty rates the "pro-separatist militias" are taking are surprising high given when more or less have proof they're really Russian Spetznaz troops add to that how  well the Ukrainian forces are doing this time compared to a week ago and it makes me highly suspicious that the US or possibly NATO is "pulling a Putin" and hiding some its own elite troops and or advisers in among the Ukrainian regulars.  Also will NOT be shocked if the Ukrainian government suddenly decides to sign a contract with  Executive Outcomes for "training and consulting " services the way the Croatian Army did back in the 1990's just before they started kicking Serbian ass

Any bets on the Ukrainian army being reinforced by 'irregular' forces, perhaps mercenary forces bought and shipped in by NATO from Eastern European nations to stiffen the Ukrainian army?

I don't know...but I do have this feeling that there might be some surprises in store for Putin if he sends in the troops.

I am not alluding to anything specific, but just the way it's playing out it seems that Ukraine has something up its sleeve.

Do TOW missiles fit up a sleeve?



They do if you are a PIRATE!
homepage.ntlworld.com
 
2014-05-02 03:04:39 PM  

TheYeti: Infernalist: Magorn: The casualty rates the "pro-separatist militias" are taking are surprising high given when more or less have proof they're really Russian Spetznaz troops add to that how  well the Ukrainian forces are doing this time compared to a week ago and it makes me highly suspicious that the US or possibly NATO is "pulling a Putin" and hiding some its own elite troops and or advisers in among the Ukrainian regulars.  Also will NOT be shocked if the Ukrainian government suddenly decides to sign a contract with  Executive Outcomes for "training and consulting " services the way the Croatian Army did back in the 1990's just before they started kicking Serbian ass

Any bets on the Ukrainian army being reinforced by 'irregular' forces, perhaps mercenary forces bought and shipped in by NATO from Eastern European nations to stiffen the Ukrainian army?

I don't know...but I do have this feeling that there might be some surprises in store for Putin if he sends in the troops.

I am not alluding to anything specific, but just the way it's playing out it seems that Ukraine has something up its sleeve.

Do TOW missiles fit up a sleeve?


As I said, the longer this goes on, the worse it will get for Russia.  Playing defense is 'always' easier than playing offense, and in this case, the more time the defense has to prepare, the bloodier it'll be for the offense when they finally 'do' move in.

If Pooty Tang waits too long, it'll be suicide, both politically and militarily.  If he goes later, rather than sooner, it'll be a goddamned bloody mess and they'll have sanctions dropped on them so hard that they'll be begging NK and China to trade with them.  If they go sooner rather than later, they'll get a bloody nose, but risk open warfare in Ukraine.

There's no good way out of this for Russia at this point.
 
2014-05-02 03:04:40 PM  
Another brilliant move by The Shirtless Chessmaster.  Meanwhile, the weak and feckless Obozo is weak and fecklessly stuck in a sand trap somewhere while this masculine and attractive strongman flexes his rippling pectoral muscles all over whatever domain he sees fit.  Oblahblah will probably give a weak and feckless speech about this and then weakly and fecklessly eat some lobsters with OUR tax dollars.
 
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