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(Washington Post)   Dumb guns' rights advocates issue death threats and force gun shop to back off on plans to sell smart guns   (washingtonpost.com) divider line 306
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2014-05-02 12:32:50 PM
So, to be clear, preventing anyone from automatic weapons is an infringement of your Constitutional rights, but no one should be allowed to purchase a gun that only they can fire?

/I understand the "logic" that goes into crafting that opinion but it's still insanely stupid
 
2014-05-02 12:32:54 PM
I must agree with the firearm seller's sentiments: while the product is not something that I desire, behaving as stupidly, as irrationally and as intellectually dishonestly as gun control advocates when protesting the product is not appropriate.
 
2014-05-02 12:36:32 PM
Nobody likes a gun that it smarter than themselves.
 
2014-05-02 12:42:43 PM
Ahh, hyperpartisanship; all thoughts of rationality are invalidated by nice pure emotion.

I hate this country
 
2014-05-02 12:45:27 PM
See! The NRA isn't against all forms of gun control!!!
 
2014-05-02 12:45:57 PM

cman: Ahh, hyperpartisanship; all thoughts of rationality are invalidated by nice pure emotion.

I hate this country


Notice the irony?
 
2014-05-02 12:48:27 PM
Luddites.
 
2014-05-02 12:53:36 PM
Does it check you in on four square every time you shoot it?
 
2014-05-02 12:57:33 PM

Dimensio: I must agree with the firearm seller's sentiments: while the product is not something that I desire, behaving as stupidly, as irrationally and as intellectually dishonestly as gun control advocates when protesting the product is not appropriate.


Excellent, you've started the thread pre-butthurt for everyone's convenience. Now get in an argument with an invisible hippie who wants to ban all guns, and tell us how the Second Amendment is infinite and can't be limited in any way, shape or form. I'd like to get this thread over with in about fifteen minutes.
 
2014-05-02 12:57:39 PM
See, libs? An armed society IS a polite society. Nobody shot him; they merely warned him they would shoot him if he persisted in his plans
 
2014-05-02 12:58:28 PM

Cagey B: Dimensio: I must agree with the firearm seller's sentiments: while the product is not something that I desire, behaving as stupidly, as irrationally and as intellectually dishonestly as gun control advocates when protesting the product is not appropriate.

Excellent, you've started the thread pre-butthurt for everyone's convenience. Now get in an argument with an invisible hippie who wants to ban all guns, and tell us how the Second Amendment is infinite and can't be limited in any way, shape or form. I'd like to get this thread over with in about fifteen minutes.


Have you any rational commentary to offer?
 
2014-05-02 01:02:56 PM
Two thoughts;

Still won't prevent Gloc Leg
Eventually, all "legal" and "real" gun discharges will require a comittee consensus.
 
2014-05-02 01:07:35 PM

Dimensio: Cagey B: Dimensio: I must agree with the firearm seller's sentiments: while the product is not something that I desire, behaving as stupidly, as irrationally and as intellectually dishonestly as gun control advocates when protesting the product is not appropriate.

Excellent, you've started the thread pre-butthurt for everyone's convenience. Now get in an argument with an invisible hippie who wants to ban all guns, and tell us how the Second Amendment is infinite and can't be limited in any way, shape or form. I'd like to get this thread over with in about fifteen minutes.

Have you any rational commentary to offer?


You mean like your stereotyping and dismissal of anyone who disagrees with you above? Better learn to take what you dish out, champ. Or, you know, buy more guns and threaten people you don't like. You can do that too.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2014-05-02 01:08:02 PM
When gun nuts become outraged over the mere availability of a safety feature there is no way to see them as anything but bat shiat crazy.
 
2014-05-02 01:08:17 PM

James!: Does it check you in on four square every time you shoot it?


Sweet, I'm the mayor of the book depository!
 
2014-05-02 01:12:54 PM

Cagey B: James!: Does it check you in on four square every time you shoot it?

Sweet, I'm the mayor of the book depository!


He didn't commit suicide, he took a selfie with his iGun.
 
2014-05-02 01:16:56 PM
I don't get why anyone would be upset by this.
Is preventing a gun from being used by stone other than the person who owns it a bad thing?
 
2014-05-02 01:20:07 PM

vpb: When gun nuts become outraged over the mere availability of a safety feature there is no way to see them as anything but bat shiat crazy.


"the opponents' most pressing fear is that sales of the iP1 will trigger a New Jersey law mandating that all handguns in the state be personalized within three years of a smart gun's going on sale anywhere in the United States. Similar proposals have been introduced in California and Congress"


Yes, the "mere availability of a safety feature".
 
2014-05-02 01:20:24 PM

SilentStrider: I don't get why anyone would be upset by this.
Is preventing a gun from being used by stone other than the person who owns it a bad thing?


Good point.
We also need chips for knives AND stones!
 
2014-05-02 01:20:50 PM

Cagey B: James!: Does it check you in on four square every time you shoot it?

Sweet, I'm the mayor of the book depository!


Does it count every bullet or every time you squeeze the trigger?
 
2014-05-02 01:22:51 PM

SilentStrider: I don't get why anyone would be upset by this.
Is preventing a gun from being used by stone other than the person who owns it a bad thing?


If you're the kind of person who's spent the past 6 years literally terrified that Obama will lead a fleet of UN helicopters to pull guns out of your family's hands, yes, it is a bad thing because this feature will make it easier for the helicopters to locate you
 
2014-05-02 01:24:44 PM

SilentStrider: I don't get why anyone would be upset by this.
Is preventing a gun from being used by stone other than the person who owns it a bad thing?


There are laws in some states that are triggered when these smart guns start to be commercially available. For instance NJ has a law that will make them mandatory for every gun sold 3 years after they become available.

Rather than work to have these laws overturned gun fans are just threatening to shoot anyone who wants to sell a smartgun.  You know, when all you have is a hammer everything requires a death threat.
 
2014-05-02 01:24:57 PM
Gotta admire it.
This whole fantasy is a fantastic red herring.

First dose of realty: RFID technology is far from ready for prime time.
 
2014-05-02 01:25:27 PM
 
2014-05-02 01:26:38 PM
The gun uses RF technology to verify the user.

We just had a story on Fark about someone using a cellphone jammer.  What would prevent criminals from carrying a "pistol" jammer?

/BTW, the guy in the video admits to drinking while taping it.
//Bottle of whiskey is on the counter.
 
2014-05-02 01:28:33 PM

dittybopper: The gun uses RF technology to verify the user.

We just had a story on Fark about someone using a cellphone jammer.  What would prevent criminals from carrying a "pistol" jammer?

/BTW, the guy in the video admits to drinking while taping it.
//Bottle of whiskey is on the counter.


Oh no, what if no one could get shot... The horror.
 
2014-05-02 01:42:27 PM

James!: dittybopper: The gun uses RF technology to verify the user.

We just had a story on Fark about someone using a cellphone jammer.  What would prevent criminals from carrying a "pistol" jammer?

/BTW, the guy in the video admits to drinking while taping it.
//Bottle of whiskey is on the counter.

Oh no, what if no one could get shot... The horror.


There are between 250 and 300 million "dumb" guns in the country.  And they can be made from stuff you can buy at Lowes.

So if the only legal gun you could purchase is one that can be easily put out of action by a small wideband noise transmitter (which would also prevent you from calling 911 on your cell, btw), that kind of makes self-defense against any criminal impossible.  Which is the point of carrying a gun in the first place.

A single shot zipgun would trump a non-functional $1,500 "smart" gun.

Hell, so would a knife, for that matter.
 
2014-05-02 01:47:57 PM

dittybopper: James!: dittybopper: The gun uses RF technology to verify the user.

We just had a story on Fark about someone using a cellphone jammer.  What would prevent criminals from carrying a "pistol" jammer?

/BTW, the guy in the video admits to drinking while taping it.
//Bottle of whiskey is on the counter.

Oh no, what if no one could get shot... The horror.

There are between 250 and 300 million "dumb" guns in the country.  And they can be made from stuff you can buy at Lowes.

So if the only legal gun you could purchase is one that can be easily put out of action by a small wideband noise transmitter (which would also prevent you from calling 911 on your cell, btw), that kind of makes self-defense against any criminal impossible.  Which is the point of carrying a gun in the first place.

A single shot zipgun would trump a non-functional $1,500 "smart" gun.

Hell, so would a knife, for that matter.


So in your head these criminal masterminds have a jammer and an arsenal of guns made from plumbing supplies?
 
2014-05-02 01:59:02 PM

James!: dittybopper: James!: dittybopper: The gun uses RF technology to verify the user.

We just had a story on Fark about someone using a cellphone jammer.  What would prevent criminals from carrying a "pistol" jammer?

/BTW, the guy in the video admits to drinking while taping it.
//Bottle of whiskey is on the counter.

Oh no, what if no one could get shot... The horror.

There are between 250 and 300 million "dumb" guns in the country.  And they can be made from stuff you can buy at Lowes.

So if the only legal gun you could purchase is one that can be easily put out of action by a small wideband noise transmitter (which would also prevent you from calling 911 on your cell, btw), that kind of makes self-defense against any criminal impossible.  Which is the point of carrying a gun in the first place.

A single shot zipgun would trump a non-functional $1,500 "smart" gun.

Hell, so would a knife, for that matter.

So in your head these criminal masterminds have a jammer and an arsenal of guns made from plumbing supplies?


Yes.  If it's going to happen, why even bother trying to fix it.  Give everyone a gun, it's the most logical thing to do.
 
2014-05-02 01:59:23 PM

dittybopper: The gun uses RF technology to verify the user.

We just had a story on Fark about someone using a cellphone jammer.  What would prevent criminals from carrying a "pistol" jammer?


Nothing but why does that matter?

It's off the deep end fark nuts crazy because these guys are the PETA or MADD of guns. They've expanded their original mandate to megawhargarbl.
 
2014-05-02 01:59:37 PM

vpb: When gun nuts become outraged over the mere availability of a safety feature there is no way to see them as anything but bat shiat crazy.


And keeping me from buying one. I would LOVE to own a gun personalized to me! Who the fark are these people to tell me I CAN'T have one? Its just a damn .22 pistol, right?
 
2014-05-02 02:02:42 PM

violentsalvation: "the opponents' most pressing fear is that sales of the iP1 will trigger a New Jersey law mandating that all handguns in the state be personalized within three years of a smart gun's going on sale anywhere in the United States. Similar proposals have been introduced in California and Congress"


Your recourse there is to change the law by petitioning your legislature for a redress of grievances, Patriot. Not threaten to kill someone or shut down their store just because they're willing to sell one to a guy like me.
 
2014-05-02 02:04:23 PM

James!: Here is the NJ law if anyone is curious.


I love the part that exempts NJ law enforcement.
 
2014-05-02 02:04:51 PM
Just to understand, issuing death threats does not preclude the ability to own a gun, correct?
 
2014-05-02 02:05:35 PM

redmid17: James!: Here is the NJ law if anyone is curious.

I love the part that exempts NJ law enforcement.


Of course, NJ cops will have all the jammers and the plumbing guns.
 
2014-05-02 02:06:04 PM
so people can't purchase a gun they would like to purchase?
 
2014-05-02 02:06:09 PM
That's the free market baby!
 
2014-05-02 02:07:11 PM
Marcus Aurelius [TotalFark]
2014-05-02 12:48:27 PM


Luddites.
You pay for a TF subscription yet in the past 24 hrs there have been posters on fark calls for the murder of a judge in one thread and a cop in another thread on this board... and those posts-at last check- hadn't been pulled.
 
2014-05-02 02:07:51 PM

cman: Ahh, hyperpartisanship; all thoughts of rationality are invalidated by nice pure emotion.

I hate this country


Why do you still live here then?
 
2014-05-02 02:08:24 PM
Tell ya what. You have the Police use these "Smart Guns" first, see how reliable they are. After all, the guns most exposed to the public are the guns hanging off of cops. These are the guns that most need protecting with "Smart" gun technology. If it works out for the police, THEN require the public to use them.

OK?

/oh right, the craven politicians have already exempted the police from having to use the technology. Not reliable enough for the police, but farking reliable enough for the Peons....
 
2014-05-02 02:09:26 PM

James!: Does it check you in on four square every time you shoot it?


Come on. You think gun nuts use foursquare? It uploads a geotagged photo of your victim to shootr.
 
2014-05-02 02:09:45 PM

James!: redmid17: James!: Here is the NJ law if anyone is curious.

I love the part that exempts NJ law enforcement.

Of course, NJ cops will have all the jammers and the plumbing guns.


I mean, they can just continue to use their current service weapons, no plumbing needed.
 
2014-05-02 02:09:59 PM
These are the same guys that block vote for big business and "free enterprise", right?  So a business should be allowed to sell anything legal.  Unless we don't like it.
 
2014-05-02 02:10:09 PM
Stupid. All of it. The threats, the overreaction, and 'smart' guns themselves.
 
2014-05-02 02:10:16 PM

Somacandra: vpb: When gun nuts become outraged over the mere availability of a safety feature there is no way to see them as anything but bat shiat crazy.

And keeping me from buying one. I would LOVE to own a gun personalized to me! Who the fark are these people to tell me I CAN'T have one? Its just a damn .22 pistol, right?


A $1500 .22 pistol that may or may not function when you need it. Go buy a Mark III, have your name engraved on it, and save $1100.
 
2014-05-02 02:10:30 PM
So where's the evidence of any threat?

FTFA 2 forum posts are quoted:
"Someone needs to make an iPhone app to jam" the technology on smart guns, one poster wrote. "Anyone who was even considering buying one would not if anyone with a smart phone could jam their gun. That should kill the market for them."

Another wrote: "My watch has a dead battery ... do I die in a gun fight?"

Those are not threats. You may disagree with the points the posters are trying to make, but if that's the only "threat" you have..... your evidence is sorely lacking.
 
2014-05-02 02:10:39 PM

Dimensio: I must agree with the firearm seller's sentiments: while the product is not something that I desire, behaving as stupidly, as irrationally and as intellectually dishonestly as gun control advocates when protesting the product is not appropriate.



Seconded.

Do I get pissed off if a shop wants to sell these?  No.  I just won't buy them.

Do I get pissed off when ignorant politicians want to pass laws that would make this technology mandatory for all new firearms?  Yes.  (But threats would not be involved.)
 
2014-05-02 02:10:50 PM
I, for one, would not be threatening the life of SOMEONE WHO OWNS A FARKING GUN SHOP.
 
2014-05-02 02:12:12 PM

GoodyearPimp
2014-05-02 02:09:59 PM


These are the same guys that block vote for big business and "free enterprise", right? So a business should be allowed to sell anything legal. Unless we don't like it.

Obama bailed out who? And who went to jail for it?

Keep trying, one of these days your derp will be truthful. Just like a million monkeys will finally type a line of Shakespeare.
 
2014-05-02 02:12:47 PM

mark12A: Tell ya what. You have the Police use these "Smart Guns" first, see how reliable they are. After all, the guns most exposed to the public are the guns hanging off of cops. These are the guns that most need protecting with "Smart" gun technology. If it works out for the police, THEN require the public to use them.

OK?

/oh right, the craven politicians have already exempted the police from having to use the technology. Not reliable enough for the police, but farking reliable enough for the Peons....


When you want to kill someone, is it really that inconvenient for you to call 911, disarm a cop and then take your shot? Be patient.
 
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