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(Washington Post)   I don't see why there is all this hate for Micro$oft. It only took them 11 years to release that security update for Internet Explorer, but they included XP for it   (washingtonpost.com) divider line 133
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2014-05-02 03:23:59 PM  
subby is most likey an apple fanatic like all the other hipsters who don't realize that apple is now bigger$$$ than microsoft.

/part of the problem, not solution
 
2014-05-02 03:24:39 PM  
I work in an environment where there's still 600+ XP workstations in production (even after two years of us begging them to update their computers), so I'm getting a kick out of these replies etc.

/I just shake my head
//they're gonna get raped hacked
///somehow it'll be our fault... it's always IT's fault. :\
 
2014-05-02 03:26:01 PM  

Netrngr: Or get an IT department that knows what the fark its doing


You know, like posting on Fark all day instead of working.
 
2014-05-02 03:27:51 PM  

What_do_you_want_now: letrole: lordargent:
IE 6 => Released August 2001 // patched April 2014
Open SSL (Heartbleed) => Released March 14, 2012 // patched March 2014

 - date of Microsoft exploit being discovered, April 2014
 - date of OpenSSL exploit being discovered, March 14, 2012

Date of Microsoft exploit being....exploited, August 2001

/muddying the waters is a nice tactic.


wut?
 
2014-05-02 03:28:05 PM  

letrole: What_do_you_want_now: I've heard this type of IT Trolling before, nicely done with the air of superiority but if you're "booting" in 3 seconds, you're not really booting. That's called "waking up".

Sounds slow. I have boot button on my monitor that starts the computer in one second.


Sweet! Then you really shouldn't need all those extra cords behind the hard drive box. They just take up valuable bites and clog your personal internet's tube.
 
2014-05-02 03:28:58 PM  
And fark you linux promoters...

It's never going to happen...

Get over it...


I have a linux media server at my house, and actually getting that shiat up and going the exact way i needed it to involved editing samba config files... Last time i had to manually edit a config file was with Win98's autoexec.bat and config.sys files...
 
2014-05-02 03:29:09 PM  

olapbill: What_do_you_want_now: letrole: lordargent:
IE 6 => Released August 2001 // patched April 2014
Open SSL (Heartbleed) => Released March 14, 2012 // patched March 2014

 - date of Microsoft exploit being discovered, April 2014
 - date of OpenSSL exploit being discovered, March 14, 2012

Date of Microsoft exploit being....exploited, August 2001

/muddying the waters is a nice tactic.

wut?


Sarcastic answer. I was being coy in saying "If you are using IE6 You probably deserve it. Update your goddamn programs."
 
2014-05-02 03:31:32 PM  

TNel: TNel: CeroX: Naturally, this is all Microsoft's fault. Not the bloated corporate versions of antivirus, encryption, start up scripts, group policy updates, security patches, inventory auditing, security monitoring and software distribution suites that also start up when they log into the machine... no... It's Windows...

LOL  I get that at my work.  Each year we get really nice computers to replace the old ones and they are quick... then we add in all the network software, anti-virus, etc and they are slow and people complain because their home computer is faster.  No shiat my home PC is faster also but it's not connecting to a bunch of crap in the morning.

Oops forgot to add they are usually the same people that complain about the wifi access and why can't we go to walmart and buy some more routers, they just got one for $50 and it's great, why do you need to spend $500 on an access point?


Do we work at the same place?

"No, you can't setup this router you got a great deal on because we specifically limit access due to federally mandated HIPAA guidelines. I know it's a bummer you can't use your cell phone on the wifi because it's weak in this part of the building and you don't want to pay network telecom services $3000 to put a new one in, but that's how it is.
 
2014-05-02 03:31:47 PM  
letrole:
- date of Microsoft exploit being discovered, April 2014
- date of OpenSSL exploit being discovered, March 14, 2012



What_do_you_want_now:
- Date of Microsoft exploit being....exploited, August 2001

Is this the thread where the security model of ten year old windows gets compared to the current release of a fanboy operating system? By the way, I speak Linux, albeit with lots of mumbling. If you have a single server application like www or radius or mail, perhaps not mail (shrug), then Linux wins because it works and it's free.
 
2014-05-02 03:31:59 PM  

Dinjiin: sotua: $0 licensing is a real and tangible benefit available to all.

Which is just one part of the total cost of ownership for a product.  For many companies and organizations, the real costs may come from support, training and reliability.

There is a reason why a number of companies have become very rich providing consulting and support services for Linux and BSD.  Companies and organizations may be bound by terms and service agreements that require a higher level of service and support than can be obtained by the original authors, or even third party services.

So I'd say that you're partially right - it is a potential benefit for all.


Have you ever worked in IT, at a big company, with MS products? They cost much more to maintain than Unix/Linux. I've worked in both corporate environments and almost always the Unix/Linux side comes out cheaper for support, uptime, and reliability. If it wasn't that way then maybe those companies needed better qualified IT departments and support providers.
 
2014-05-02 03:32:51 PM  

letrole: What_do_you_want_now: I've heard this type of IT Trolling before, nicely done with the air of superiority but if you're "booting" in 3 seconds, you're not really booting. That's called "waking up".

Sounds slow. I have boot button on my monitor that starts the computer in one second.


I know right? Do you have that awesome automatic cup holder on your cpu as well?
 
2014-05-02 03:34:39 PM  

CeroX: AspectRatio: laptops in use at my office.

I get it, i do... and i'm not lashing out, believe me... I completely understand... what you guys fail to realize is this though, corporate computers have quite literally all that software i listed in my original post... best analogy can give you is, when you access or write a byte of data on your company laptop, that byte then becomes the victim of a data tug of war between the antivirus and encryption software. They both attempt to access that byte at the same time and it goes through a "mother may I" game before it will come to you, or go to your hard drive. Multiply that by the 1000's of bytes per actual block of information, and then multiply that by however many programs you are running, and yeah, the work computers are going to be slower than a Mac, or even just your home PC if you use one.

So yes, I get it, and at this point have come to accept it...

What bothers me is when people use $$$ to indicate that somehow MS is more money hungry than Apple, when Apple's entire pricing scheme is based on exploiting the frustration people generally feel with their work computers and are willing to pay triple for a system that doesn't come with the emotional baggage that their work computers do...

And the whole excuse about safety and viruses is ONLY because Apple is not the standard for business computing. If it was, the virus architects and hackers out there would spend all their time exploiting iOS instead of Windows...


Nope. Apple's a BSD distribution. It's a POSIX- compliant OS, which makes it virtually impossible to write a virus for. I don't mean "security through obscurity", I mean the way the system's set up.

The greatest benefit that a -nix system offers is in the concept of privilege. The systems are just more secure, because of what an average user is not allowed to do. More importantly, what a program's allowed to do. If you get a piece of malware on a Windows machine, it's going to have an infinitely simpler time modifying things at the kernel level than it would on a -nix box.

To grossly oversimplify things, think about how Heartbleed works- it's receiving more information than it should, but it's not receiving information from a deeper layer of the system than SSL is normally allowed to access. It's horizontal, but not vertical.
 
2014-05-02 03:35:21 PM  

ReverendJynxed: [slackbook.org image 640x400]


But links (elinks actually) can be compiled with both gpm (mouse) and libjpeg support, so you can actually use a mouse and see images.  Did this when I installed gentoo - no need to wait 3 days for X and gnome to compile, start wtih elinks so you can at least surf your porn while your desktop environment compiles.
 
2014-05-02 03:36:31 PM  

CeroX: "So screw that, I'm going to get a computer that just "works". I'm going to buy a Mac..."

$4,500 later...


1990 called. It wants its MSRPs back. Then again, the rest of your straw man is equally inaccurate, so I suppose it is not surprising that you pulled this part out of your ass as well.
 
2014-05-02 03:38:36 PM  

MightyPez: TNel: TNel: CeroX: Naturally, this is all Microsoft's fault. Not the bloated corporate versions of antivirus, encryption, start up scripts, group policy updates, security patches, inventory auditing, security monitoring and software distribution suites that also start up when they log into the machine... no... It's Windows...

LOL  I get that at my work.  Each year we get really nice computers to replace the old ones and they are quick... then we add in all the network software, anti-virus, etc and they are slow and people complain because their home computer is faster.  No shiat my home PC is faster also but it's not connecting to a bunch of crap in the morning.

Oops forgot to add they are usually the same people that complain about the wifi access and why can't we go to walmart and buy some more routers, they just got one for $50 and it's great, why do you need to spend $500 on an access point?

Do we work at the same place?

"No, you can't setup this router you got a great deal on because we specifically limit access due to federally mandated HIPAA guidelines. I know it's a bummer you can't use your cell phone on the wifi because it's weak in this part of the building and you don't want to pay network telecom services $3000 to put a new one in, but that's how it is.


I used to work at a HIPAA controlled place...

"But why can't *I* have access to Drop Box? I'm the personal assistant to Mr. VP of marketing and since you won't let me send this 258MB Power Point with embedded video to these external people through Outlook, they need SOME way of seeing this presentation! When Mr. VP of Marketing hears that his clients can't see this presentation I worked 3 weeks on, he's going to call someone important!"
 
2014-05-02 03:42:26 PM  

TNel: redmid17: You can also go the Linux route if you want but that might be more trouble than it's worth.

Not if it's just a media computer.


Sure you can. You can use MythTV or XBMC. To just serve media you can use: PS3 Media Server, MediaTomb, uShare, and more. Just depends on what you want. There are even LiveCD media center distributions so you can run them on the fly or for testing.
 
2014-05-02 03:42:34 PM  

What_do_you_want_now: Netrngr: Or get an IT department that knows what the fark its doing and uses modern equipment. Just sayin' I have a 750-1000 user environment 53 servers and a staff of 4 guys and we handle a Dynamics2012 ERP cluster on top of the normal stuff our workstations boot in 3 sec ready to work. You have to limit the end users abilities to install anything and test all patches before you let them auto install. Don't blame MS because your IT guys are too lazy or too limited in their budget to do their jobs efficiently.
Auditing/backups/patches etc should be done after hours and no weekends and shouldn't effect users performance in the least. Invest in your IT infrastructure and your department and they will invest in your continued success.

6/10

I've heard this type of IT Trolling before, nicely done with the air of superiority but if you're "booting" in 3 seconds, you're not really booting. That's called "waking up".



My new Dell M3800 boots in 8 seconds.  SSD's are great.

Also I find the nerd hate for Win8 is pretty undeserved and often ill informed.
 
2014-05-02 03:42:44 PM  

CeroX: MightyPez: TNel: TNel: CeroX: Naturally, this is all Microsoft's fault. Not the bloated corporate versions of antivirus, encryption, start up scripts, group policy updates, security patches, inventory auditing, security monitoring and software distribution suites that also start up when they log into the machine... no... It's Windows...

LOL  I get that at my work.  Each year we get really nice computers to replace the old ones and they are quick... then we add in all the network software, anti-virus, etc and they are slow and people complain because their home computer is faster.  No shiat my home PC is faster also but it's not connecting to a bunch of crap in the morning.

Oops forgot to add they are usually the same people that complain about the wifi access and why can't we go to walmart and buy some more routers, they just got one for $50 and it's great, why do you need to spend $500 on an access point?

Do we work at the same place?

"No, you can't setup this router you got a great deal on because we specifically limit access due to federally mandated HIPAA guidelines. I know it's a bummer you can't use your cell phone on the wifi because it's weak in this part of the building and you don't want to pay network telecom services $3000 to put a new one in, but that's how it is.

I used to work at a HIPAA controlled place...

"But why can't *I* have access to Drop Box? I'm the personal assistant to Mr. VP of marketing and since you won't let me send this 258MB Power Point with embedded video to these external people through Outlook, they need SOME way of seeing this presentation! When Mr. VP of Marketing hears that his clients can't see this presentation I worked 3 weeks on, he's going to call someone important!"


I'm fortunate in that regard because usually when I drop "HIPAA" as a reason we can't do something the person clams up. Tough there is the ever-present "Well *I* don't have any HIPAA data!" Maybe not. But you have access to the network and shared network drives that  contain confidential patient data. And I, as low man on the totem poll, don't get to arbitrarily decide when the rules can be bent because you like yahoo mail better than the company provided email.
 
2014-05-02 03:46:16 PM  

letrole: lordargent:
IE 6 => Released August 2001 // patched April 2014
Open SSL (Heartbleed) => Released March 14, 2012 // patched March 2014

 - date of Microsoft exploit being discovered, April 2014
 - date of OpenSSL exploit being discovered, March 14, 2012


According to Wikipedia, March 14th is the date the compromised code was released into the wild. It wasn't discovered until April 2014 and was patched shortly after that (since it was such a simple coding error).

"Henson apparently failed to notice a bug in Seggelmann's implementation,[22] and introduced the flawed code into OpenSSL's source code repository on December 31, 2011. The vulnerable code was adopted into widespread use with the release of OpenSSL version 1.0.1 on March 14, 2012. Heartbeat support was enabled by default, causing affected versions to be vulnerable by default.[23][24][25]
Discovery

According to Mark J. Cox of OpenSSL, Neel Mehta of Google's security team reported Heartbleed on April 1, 2014. "
 
2014-05-02 03:47:21 PM  

i.r.id10t: ReverendJynxed: [slackbook.org image 640x400]

But links (elinks actually) can be compiled with both gpm (mouse) and libjpeg support, so you can actually use a mouse and see images.  Did this when I installed gentoo - no need to wait 3 days for X and gnome to compile, start wtih elinks so you can at least surf your porn while your desktop environment compiles.


I finally got around to doing a gentoo install a few months ago. I wanted that particular skin on the wall as much as anything.

It was fun, as command line stuff goes. It was definitely a learning experience, on a variety of levels.

And I will never, ever do it again.
 
2014-05-02 03:47:37 PM  

CheatCommando: CeroX: "So screw that, I'm going to get a computer that just "works". I'm going to buy a Mac..."

$4,500 later...

1990 called. It wants its MSRPs back. Then again, the rest of your straw man is equally inaccurate, so I suppose it is not surprising that you pulled this part out of your ass as well.


So, the biatch most people have about the argument is that my price point on Apple is inaccurate? Really?

So had I put $1300, THAT would have been ok?

And no... The rest of it is not a "strawman". It's 14 years first hand experience. It's dealing with this EXACT issue with quite literally thousands of people. How many war stories you want? Cause I got 'em. Every cliched tech issue you could run into, every end-user who thinks telling me "i'm just not a computer person" is somehow an excuse not to learn the difference between a right-click and a left-click.

Bitter? Yes I am... But it's what I'm good at, and have earned a position that gets me off the front lines and back at the fort where I have full command over everything...
 
2014-05-02 03:49:06 PM  

What_do_you_want_now: Sarcastic answer. I was being coy in saying "If you are using IE6 You probably deserve it. Update your goddamn programs."


Why yes, I'm using IE6 right now. This is because I bought retail Windows 2000 back in 1999 for £129 and I just shift it to newer hardware every other year. I can't update anything -- half the stuff out there won't even run on 2000.

I have Opera in reserve for sites that simply won't load with IE6, but that version (9) isn't available through the Opera download any more. I have a huge collection of obsolete crap that I've kept for the bi-annual migration.

And why stay with 2000? If you manage to run a program, it's fast as fark. Also, I always thought XP was a candy-assed piece of bloatware made mainly for easily impressed goons who liked horse-power robbing rounded corners on all their damn windows and dialogues.

I used NT4 for five years before that, and only switched to 2000 because NT4 doesn't do USB native and they quit selling parallel port scanners.
 
2014-05-02 03:51:23 PM  

CeroX: I know right? Do you have that awesome automatic cup holder on your cpu as well?


That's not a cupholder -- it's a cd player.
 
2014-05-02 03:51:57 PM  

letrole: Is this the thread where the security model of ten year old windows gets compared to the current release of a fanboy operating system? By the way, I speak Linux, albeit with lots of mumbling. If you have a single server application like www or radius or mail, perhaps not mail (shrug), then Linux wins because it works and it's free.


You're not even good at trolling geek threads, I mean it's all just motions and no gusto or drive behind it. Maybe it's because I know IT more than you know how to troll.

Please, I beg of you, try harder in trolling.
 
2014-05-02 03:52:04 PM  

AngryPanda: redmid17: TNel: redmid17: You can also go the Linux route if you want but that might be more trouble than it's worth.

Not if it's just a media computer.

To someone who's asking if they should upgrade their Win XP computer? Um yeah it might be. The fact that the Steam games aren't Linux compatible is another thing to consider.

Not entirely true. Steam's Linux library expands all the time, and Wine can run stuff that hasn't made the cut just yet nicely.


The vast majority of PC titles on Steam have no Linux version.  (Wine doesn't count.)
 
2014-05-02 03:52:47 PM  

TheDirtyNacho: Also I find the nerd hate for Win8 is pretty undeserved and often ill informed.


For the experienced window's user, I usually tell them "Shell out the $5 and get StartIsBack". When they do they usually make a special effort to thank me.

/yes i'm aware there are free versions out there, but the $5 one works flawlessly. I've run into issue with the free ones to the point that for consistency purpose i promote startisback...
 
2014-05-02 03:53:15 PM  

letrole: letrole:
- date of Microsoft exploit being discovered, April 2014
- date of OpenSSL exploit being discovered, March 14, 2012


What_do_you_want_now:
- Date of Microsoft exploit being....exploited, August 2001

Is this the thread where the security model of ten year old windows gets compared to the current release of a fanboy operating system?


This bug affects IE 11 as well, which was released in 2013 for windows 7 and 8.
 
2014-05-02 03:54:35 PM  

letrole: What_do_you_want_now: Sarcastic answer. I was being coy in saying "If you are using IE6 You probably deserve it. Update your goddamn programs."

Why yes, I'm using IE6 right now. This is because I bought retail Windows 2000 back in 1999 for £129 and I just shift it to newer hardware every other year. I can't update anything -- half the stuff out there won't even run on 2000.

I have Opera in reserve for sites that simply won't load with IE6, but that version (9) isn't available through the Opera download any more. I have a huge collection of obsolete crap that I've kept for the bi-annual migration.

And why stay with 2000? If you manage to run a program, it's fast as fark. Also, I always thought XP was a candy-assed piece of bloatware made mainly for easily impressed goons who liked horse-power robbing rounded corners on all their damn windows and dialogues.

I used NT4 for five years before that, and only switched to 2000 because NT4 doesn't do USB native and they quit selling parallel port scanners.


Really, you're bad at this. Go back to political threads.
 
2014-05-02 03:55:06 PM  

What_do_you_want_now: letrole: Is this the thread where the security model of ten year old windows gets compared to the current release of a fanboy operating system? By the way, I speak Linux, albeit with lots of mumbling. If you have a single server application like www or radius or mail, perhaps not mail (shrug), then Linux wins because it works and it's free.

You're not even good at trolling geek threads, I mean it's all just motions and no gusto or drive behind it. Maybe it's because I know IT more than you know how to troll.

Please, I beg of you, try harder in trolling.


The login even sounds like 'troll', and I normally wouldn't reply (I think I even had him on my ignore list for a bit).

But I'm eating lunch, so responding in between bites.
 
2014-05-02 03:55:18 PM  

letrole: And why stay with 2000? If you manage to run a program, it's fast as fark.


That may be the funniest thing I've read all week.
 
2014-05-02 03:55:30 PM  

CeroX: TheDirtyNacho: Also I find the nerd hate for Win8 is pretty undeserved and often ill informed.

For the experienced window's user, I usually tell them "Shell out the $5 and get StartIsBack". When they do they usually make a special effort to thank me.

/yes i'm aware there are free versions out there, but the $5 one works flawlessly. I've run into issue with the free ones to the point that for consistency purpose i promote startisback...


Classic Shell is free. www.classicshell.net
 
2014-05-02 03:56:55 PM  

lordargent: According to Wikipedia, March 14th is the date the compromised code was released into the wild. It wasn't discovered until April 2014 and was patched shortly after that (since it was such a simple coding error).



March 14th is the date that the exploit was leaked into the general community, and the jig was up, as the young people say.


Yes, it looked like a simple coding error, but with open source, a comment that says


# exploit goes here


tends to raise a few eyebrows
 
2014-05-02 03:57:49 PM  

CeroX: For the experienced window's user, I usually tell them "Shell out the $5 and get StartIsBack". When they do they usually make a special effort to thank me.


More to the point, Classic Shell is the most stable I've ever used for adding the classic functionality back to the Windows 8.1.1 GUI.

Also, Windows 8 is a stallion. When I fired it up and saw it actually work I was amazed. Getting used to the newer interface was just part of the learning curve.
 
2014-05-02 03:58:43 PM  

What_do_you_want_now: Classic Shell is free. www.classicshell.net


I'm aware, but I've run into issues with both it and Start8 once the computer was updated to 8.1... Not always, and not consistently, which is weird... but there have been problems...
 
2014-05-02 03:59:54 PM  

CeroX: TheDirtyNacho: Also I find the nerd hate for Win8 is pretty undeserved and often ill informed.

For the experienced window's user, I usually tell them "Shell out the $5 and get StartIsBack". When they do they usually make a special effort to thank me.

/yes i'm aware there are free versions out there, but the $5 one works flawlessly. I've run into issue with the free ones to the point that for consistency purpose i promote startisback...



I like the metro start screen - theres a good video on youtube on how to get more out of it.  They've been steadily improving it too.

With 8.1 boot to desktop became an option, and with the big update 3 weeks ago became the default for non-mobile.

Other than that, I find it generally works better and faster than Win7.  Even IE is pretty good (present issue notwithstanding) and fast, taking advantage of hardware acceleration.  I do occasional web development and am surprised at how often I have to work around quirks in Firefox and Chrome where IE just works.
 
2014-05-02 04:00:53 PM  

CeroX: I'm aware, but I've run into issues with both it and Start8 once the computer was updated to 8.1... Not always, and not consistently, which is weird... but there have been problems...


Probably a conflict with an installed program. We install it as part of the setup after removing bloatware and before installing anything else.

No, we don't use images. The business keeps buying different models because hey buy the laptops at Best Buy and not direct.
 
2014-05-02 04:01:38 PM  

What_do_you_want_now: CeroX: For the experienced window's user, I usually tell them "Shell out the $5 and get StartIsBack". When they do they usually make a special effort to thank me.

More to the point, Classic Shell is the most stable I've ever used for adding the classic functionality back to the Windows 8.1.1 GUI.

Also, Windows 8 is a stallion. When I fired it up and saw it actually work I was amazed. Getting used to the newer interface was just part of the learning curve.


I'll try it out again, but when 8.1 first came out, I had all kinds of quirky issues with it, so I just went back to the paid one...
 
2014-05-02 04:02:45 PM  

lordargent: This bug affects IE 11 as well, which was released in 2013 for windows 7 and 8.


so it got fixed quicker than heartbleed
 
2014-05-02 04:02:58 PM  

What_do_you_want_now: CeroX: I'm aware, but I've run into issues with both it and Start8 once the computer was updated to 8.1... Not always, and not consistently, which is weird... but there have been problems...

Probably a conflict with an installed program. We install it as part of the setup after removing bloatware and before installing anything else.

No, we don't use images. The business keeps buying different models because hey buy the laptops at Best Buy and not direct.


JESUS... Best Buy? F- That!! I've been purchasing through CDW over a year now and couldn't be happier...
 
2014-05-02 04:07:35 PM  

CeroX: JESUS... Best Buy? F- That!! I've been purchasing through CDW over a year now and couldn't be happier...


We're an IT Management Company, so we're just the IT side of the house for small businesses. How they buy their hardware is up to them, we can buy it for them.

Kicker, this guy also buys Office 2013 licenses with the company card and LINKS THEM TO HIS PERSONAL LIVE.COM ACCOUNT. When this guy gets offloaded (soon, hopefully. He is an ass) he will probably recall all those licenses.

We can only inform, not force. Sometimes you have to let them fall down the stars before they realize you have an elevator.
 
2014-05-02 04:09:00 PM  
Hehe. An old time OS flame war. Ah, I miss the 90s.

*buckles up*

BeOS has the best journaling file system out there. You'll see. It'll beat Microsoft on the desktop. They are working on an Intel version. It'll be better than OS/2 Warp 4 or even Amiga OS.

Linux isn't for the desktop yet. But this new KDE interface is gonna launch it onto the desktop. You'll see.
 
2014-05-02 04:10:12 PM  

AspectRatio: CeroX: "So screw that, I'm going to get a computer that just "works". I'm going to buy a Mac..."

$4,500 later...

$4500? Really? Maybe if you buy the top model Mac Pro plus a huge Thunderbolt display.

I bought a retina macbook pro last year for $2400. That's not small change, and yes it's more expensive than the average Lenovo or whatever, but it is far and away the best computer I've ever used. Super solid, fast, and miles beyond the new windows laptops in use at my office.

This is just one man's opinion, so don't lash out. I'm not a fanatic.


^^THIS.  I am using a Macbook Pro circa 2008.  I upgraded the memory to 8GB and bought a new battery for it, but it still works like a champ.  My wife is on her third low-mid range ($600-800) laptop in that same time frame.
 
2014-05-02 04:13:35 PM  

lordargent: The login even sounds like 'troll', and I normally wouldn't reply (I think I even had him on my ignore list for a bit).


My surname is Le Trôle.
 
2014-05-02 04:15:07 PM  

Nadie_AZ: Hehe. An old time OS flame war. Ah, I miss the 90s.

*buckles up*

BeOS has the best journaling file system out there. You'll see. It'll beat Microsoft on the desktop. They are working on an Intel version. It'll be better than OS/2 Warp 4 or even Amiga OS.

Linux isn't for the desktop yet. But this new KDE interface is gonna launch it onto the desktop. You'll see.


I have Haiku, which is an alpha-level open-source version of BeOS, running on a VM at home.

It is perhaps the most logical OS I've ever seen.
 
2014-05-02 04:17:18 PM  
Still doing the Micro$oft thing?  After Bill Gates spends ass-tons of money for charitable causes, while Steve Jobs treated his employees like crap and whose only charitable work was gifting his chinese workers suicide nets?  Really?
 
2014-05-02 04:24:14 PM  

Gonz: Nadie_AZ: Hehe. An old time OS flame war. Ah, I miss the 90s.

*buckles up*

BeOS has the best journaling file system out there. You'll see. It'll beat Microsoft on the desktop. They are working on an Intel version. It'll be better than OS/2 Warp 4 or even Amiga OS.

Linux isn't for the desktop yet. But this new KDE interface is gonna launch it onto the desktop. You'll see.

I have Haiku, which is an alpha-level open-source version of BeOS, running on a VM at home.

It is perhaps the most logical OS I've ever seen.


I was one of the last hold outs on that OS back in 2000-2001. Utterly heart breaking when they faded and sold the OS to Palm.

I've fired it up on VMs from time to time. But then I reach a point where I say 'no mas' as I don't want to start down that road again. Ah well.

It taught me a good lesson on choosing sides. Now I tend to side with whichever tool/OS is best for the job. I prefer *nix, but no longer hate MS.
 
2014-05-02 04:26:25 PM  

Nadie_AZ: Hehe. An old time OS flame war. Ah, I miss the 90s.

*buckles up*

BeOS has the best journaling file system out there. You'll see. It'll beat Microsoft on the desktop. They are working on an Intel version. It'll be better than OS/2 Warp 4 or even Amiga OS.

Linux isn't for the desktop yet. But this new KDE interface is gonna launch it onto the desktop. You'll see.


Hey buddy, I've been using Linux as a desktop since the mid 90's and works great. Why don't you take your head out of your ....

/Oh, wait! I don't care what system people use.
//Use what works for you!
///But I'm sticking with Linux ;)
 
2014-05-02 04:28:27 PM  
Why the fark is this thread green, for a bizzaro headline on relatively mundane patch news, and why the hell is it on the main page and not geek? It's nothing but a bunch of grumpy geeks grousing about how shiatty computers and users and life in IT are; fark me, it feels like I walked into /.
 
2014-05-02 04:29:09 PM  

I AM THE GOAT: AspectRatio: CeroX: "So screw that, I'm going to get a computer that just "works". I'm going to buy a Mac..."

$4,500 later...

$4500? Really? Maybe if you buy the top model Mac Pro plus a huge Thunderbolt display.

I bought a retina macbook pro last year for $2400. That's not small change, and yes it's more expensive than the average Lenovo or whatever, but it is far and away the best computer I've ever used. Super solid, fast, and miles beyond the new windows laptops in use at my office.

This is just one man's opinion, so don't lash out. I'm not a fanatic.

^^THIS.  I am using a Macbook Pro circa 2008.  I upgraded the memory to 8GB and bought a new battery for it, but it still works like a champ.  My wife is on her third low-mid range ($600-800) laptop in that same time frame.



I think much of the dislike for windows is because of similar experiences with low end pc's.  Sure enough, you buy sub-1k hardware, it's not going to last long.  For the past 10 years I've only bought business class hardware, which costs more but doesn't come with bloatware and have better warranties - in my case, on-site repair.  I've been very happy with this arrangement.

I'm using a Dell M3800 which is a gorgeous performance beast.  It cost $2500.  The closest macbook was around 3k, but would've had less storage and a consumer grade graphics card instead of workstation class.
 
2014-05-02 04:29:39 PM  

ShatteredMinds: Nadie_AZ: Hehe. An old time OS flame war. Ah, I miss the 90s.

*buckles up*

BeOS has the best journaling file system out there. You'll see. It'll beat Microsoft on the desktop. They are working on an Intel version. It'll be better than OS/2 Warp 4 or even Amiga OS.

Linux isn't for the desktop yet. But this new KDE interface is gonna launch it onto the desktop. You'll see.

Hey buddy, I've been using Linux as a desktop since the mid 90's and works great. Why don't you take your head out of your ....

/Oh, wait! I don't care what system people use.
//Use what works for you!
///But I'm sticking with Linux ;)


LOL
 
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