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(Huffington Post)   Ukraine: Screw it, let's just assault the f*ckers. Damn the derpedos, full steam ahead   (huffingtonpost.com) divider line 103
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2014-05-02 07:32:53 AM  
Rob Ford is leading the assault? wtf?
 
2014-05-02 08:54:42 AM  
Well, you know, it's just your everyday local mob armed with surface to air missiles.
 
2014-05-02 09:01:00 AM  
This will end well for everyone involved.
 
2014-05-02 09:12:41 AM  
I liked the live feed one with pics and vids. Had video of the downed help pilot
 
2014-05-02 09:20:36 AM  

Pocket Ninja: Well, you know, it's just your everyday local mob armed with surface to air missiles.


Have you been to Detroit lately?
 
2014-05-02 09:21:06 AM  
It's gone from walking to jogging. Not at a run yet, but the faster it goes, the harder it is to stop. Or turn around.

/Glad to be too old to draft.
 
2014-05-02 09:22:16 AM  
Suddenly, I'm in the mood to play S.T.A.L.K.E.R.  Is that weird?
 
2014-05-02 09:22:33 AM  
So the assembly of "totally not the russian military" protesters just happened to have anti-aircraft weapons.
Wouldn't you know it....
 
2014-05-02 09:24:07 AM  
After a round or three of golf, Obama will meet with jay z for guidance.
 
2014-05-02 09:24:56 AM  
Also report of riot in Odessa between pro and anti Ukrainian mobs. And reports of seperatists abandoning occupied buildings.

/Maybe they've been told help is on the way?
 
2014-05-02 09:25:31 AM  
Cheryl: "OH MY GOD this could totally be World War II."
Pam: "Uh, don't you mean World War III?"
Cheryl: "IT'S NOT A CONTEST, PAM!"
 
2014-05-02 09:26:37 AM  
Leeeeeeeeeeroy Jenkinski.
 
2014-05-02 09:27:14 AM  

TommyDeuce: It's gone from walking to jogging. Not at a run yet, but the faster it goes, the harder it is to stop. Or turn around.

/Glad to be too old to draft.


I don't think we'll send troops into the Ukraine, but if Putin crosses the border and nothing more than a few more sanctions happens, I'm more worried he'll decide to head into places like Latvia, or Estonia.  Then we'll be in the shiat for sure.

/Glad my wife's current unit is a bunch of REMF keyboard warriors, and not the SBCT she was in this time last year.
 
2014-05-02 09:27:37 AM  

Pocket Ninja: Well, you know, it's just your everyday local mob armed with surface to air missiles.


It's just a few patriotic citizens exercising their free speech.
 
2014-05-02 09:27:41 AM  
WTF...  How does a bunch of "locals" shoot down 2 farking helicopters?  Even with simple AA guns you need some experience with the thing to reliably shoot anything down, and missiles cost a lot of money and are tightly controlled...  so WTF?

/me gives russia the stink eye *
 
2014-05-02 09:28:12 AM  

Pocket Ninja: Well, you know, it's just your everyday local mob armed with surface to air missiles.



I guess the Ukrainian NRA is better than ours.
 
2014-05-02 09:28:42 AM  
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2014-05-02 09:29:13 AM  
Well, Ukraine has to do something if Russia keeps trying to steal their land.

I'd rather see us refrain from involvement, but if it does boil over we may have to step in.  If we do we should hopefully do it as part of a NATO or UN joint force so that we're not shouldering the costs entirely ourselves.
 
2014-05-02 09:30:09 AM  

TommyDeuce: It's gone from walking to jogging. Not at a run yet, but the faster it goes, the harder it is to stop. Or turn around.

/Glad to be too old to draft.


Unless Russia invades Poland there isn't going to be that kind of escalation.  And Russia isn't going to invade Poland.  What'll probably happen is that Russia will either just decide to defend Crimea and it'll end in a stale mate or Russia will push into the western Ukraine and get bogged down in a occupational quagmire.

Either way, the world will continue to heap sanctions upon Russia until Russia either runs out of money and the soldiers go home or Putin's backers decide their financial future is getting bleak and pressure him to withdraw and declare victory.
 
2014-05-02 09:31:06 AM  

devildog123: I don't think we'll send troops into the Ukraine, but if Putin crosses the border and nothing more than a few more sanctions happens, I'm more worried he'll decide to head into places like Latvia, or Estonia.


don't forget poland
 
2014-05-02 09:32:09 AM  

TuteTibiImperes: Well, Ukraine has to do something if Russia keeps trying to steal their land.

I'd rather see us refrain from involvement, but if it does boil over we may have to step in.  If we do we should hopefully do it as part of a NATO or UN joint force so that we're not shouldering the costs entirely ourselves.


I like how Russia whines about how the Ukrainians are fighting back means that hope for peace is lost. F*ck you, Russia.
 
2014-05-02 09:32:44 AM  

sprawl15: devildog123: I don't think we'll send troops into the Ukraine, but if Putin crosses the border and nothing more than a few more sanctions happens, I'm more worried he'll decide to head into places like Latvia, or Estonia.

don't forget poland


I didn't... but I did forget Latvia and Estonia.
 
2014-05-02 09:34:32 AM  

whosits_112: I like how Russia whines about how the Ukrainians are fighting back means that hope for peace is lost. F*ck you, Russia.


And why would Russia care?  Unless of course they do have troops in the country and the Ukrainian attack happened to interfere with Russia's annexation of Crimea...  which they totally aren't doing.  It's merely a local uprising of indigenous citizens.
 
2014-05-02 09:35:23 AM  

way south: So the assembly of "totally not the russian military" protesters just happened to have anti-aircraft weapons.
Wouldn't you know it....


That's not really proof, as the Ukrainian army more or less have the same equipment as Russia, at least from their times in the USSR.

When you have your own army defecting, they to would likely have access to such weapons.
 
2014-05-02 09:37:20 AM  
I don't relish the war this will inevitably lead to, but Ukraine really needed to step up and exert their sovereignty in this matter. You're not a real nation if you can't provide law and order in the territories that you claim.
 
2014-05-02 09:37:23 AM  

Maul555: WTF...  How does a bunch of "locals" shoot down 2 farking helicopters?  Even with simple AA guns you need some experience with the thing to reliably shoot anything down, and missiles cost a lot of money and are tightly controlled...  so WTF?

/me gives russia the stink eye *


Eh, I'm sure they could point out a few Ukrainian equivalent of National Guard armories that the "locals" looted, where they got these weapons.  And a few veterans that have loyalty to the pro-Russian militias can probably use them.  I'm sure some of the nuttier militias in this country have enough veterans that they could properly handle any weapons they got their hands on short of maybe a fighter or ICBM.  Plus, the Russians could just say they are selling them arms.  This is more or less a civil war, and the British and French were more than happy to sell the Confederacy top of the line military hardware whenever they had the money to pay for it during our internal strife.

/just playing devil's advocate
//I know damn well those are Russian regulars
 
2014-05-02 09:37:36 AM  

TuteTibiImperes: Well, Ukraine has to do something if Russia keeps trying to steal their land.

I'd rather see us refrain from involvement, but if it does boil over we may have to step in.  If we do we should hopefully do it as part of a NATO or UN joint force so that we're not shouldering the costs entirely ourselves.


When NATO gets involved,  the number of troops used tends to be 80% American,  10% Brit,  3% French,  3% Canadian, 2% German,  2% all others.   ( made these numbers up but the US and Britain tend to be the ones who provide the most money and forces to wars that involve NATO or the UN. )
 
2014-05-02 09:37:37 AM  

jehovahs witness protection: After a round or three of golf, Obama will meet with jay z for guidance.


F*ck you, gassbag. This isn't our fight unless a NATO country gets invaded. So stop making EVERY SINGLE F*CKING THING about goddamn Obama! Jesus Christ, you are a predictable 'tard...
 
2014-05-02 09:39:29 AM  

whosits_112: jehovahs witness protection: After a round or three of golf, Obama will meet with jay z for guidance.

F*ck you, gassbag. This isn't our fight unless a NATO country gets invaded. So stop making EVERY SINGLE F*CKING THING about goddamn Obama! Jesus Christ, you are a predictable 'tard...


yep, which is why he gets the "Pudding!" tag.
 
2014-05-02 09:39:53 AM  

Maul555: WTF...  How does a bunch of "locals" shoot down 2 farking helicopters?  Even with simple AA guns you need some experience with the thing to reliably shoot anything down, and missiles cost a lot of money and are tightly controlled...  so WTF?

/me gives russia the stink eye *


You should watch Lord of War.  'tightly controlled'.
 
2014-05-02 09:40:58 AM  

devildog123: Maul555: WTF...  How does a bunch of "locals" shoot down 2 farking helicopters?  Even with simple AA guns you need some experience with the thing to reliably shoot anything down, and missiles cost a lot of money and are tightly controlled...  so WTF?

/me gives russia the stink eye *

Eh, I'm sure they could point out a few Ukrainian equivalent of National Guard armories that the "locals" looted, where they got these weapons.  And a few veterans that have loyalty to the pro-Russian militias can probably use them.  I'm sure some of the nuttier militias in this country have enough veterans that they could properly handle any weapons they got their hands on short of maybe a fighter or ICBM.  Plus, the Russians could just say they are selling them arms.  This is more or less a civil war, and the British and French were more than happy to sell the Confederacy top of the line military hardware whenever they had the money to pay for it during our internal strife.

/just playing devil's advocate
//I know damn well those are Russian regulars


Raiding armories might well explain the guns, but not the fact that they are all dressed in identical uniforms.
 
2014-05-02 09:41:08 AM  

Mercutio74: TommyDeuce: It's gone from walking to jogging. Not at a run yet, but the faster it goes, the harder it is to stop. Or turn around.

/Glad to be too old to draft.

Unless Russia invades Poland there isn't going to be that kind of escalation.  And Russia isn't going to invade Poland.  What'll probably happen is that Russia will either just decide to defend Crimea and it'll end in a stale mate or Russia will push into the western Ukraine and get bogged down in a occupational quagmire.

Either way, the world will continue to heap sanctions upon Russia until Russia either runs out of money and the soldiers go home or Putin's backers decide their financial future is getting bleak and pressure him to withdraw and declare victory.


Just like Georgia then right?
 
2014-05-02 09:42:37 AM  
FFS, Ukraine needs to get some very long range sniper rifles and just start plinking from very far away. Losing two helicopters per mission is too expensive.

Of course, if the Russians have very long range sniper rifles, then they enjoy a more rich and varied selection of Ukrainian targets, including civilians.
 
2014-05-02 09:42:41 AM  
In related news, two Ukraine helicopters shot down by torpedoes.

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2014-05-02 09:43:27 AM  

sprawl15: devildog123: I don't think we'll send troops into the Ukraine, but if Putin crosses the border and nothing more than a few more sanctions happens, I'm more worried he'll decide to head into places like Latvia, or Estonia.

don't forget poland


I didn't.  But Poland is a pretty big country, on the border with Germany, that a vocal percentage of Americans have an ancestral attachment to.  They would demand war, and the Germans would certainly don't want a Russian vassal on their border again.  As for Estonia and Latvia, most Americans probably didn't realize they existed at all, and a solid percentage of those that do probably thought they were already part of Russia.  Even if they are part of NATO, I can't see many people here or in Europe willing to go to war for them.  Poland... Yeah, we'd pull the trigger.
 
2014-05-02 09:43:27 AM  

feickus: made these numbers up


well duh since you didn't include big forces of like pakistanis or sri lankans

whosits_112: This isn't our fight unless a NATO country gets invaded.


this sounds like a pre-sinking of the maine mentality
 
2014-05-02 09:43:30 AM  

brandent: You should watch Lord of War. 'tightly controlled'.


That's a documentary, is it?  You certainly can't mean the Nicolas Cage feature film.
 
2014-05-02 09:43:51 AM  

spawn73: way south: So the assembly of "totally not the russian military" protesters just happened to have anti-aircraft weapons.
Wouldn't you know it....

That's not really proof, as the Ukrainian army more or less have the same equipment as Russia, at least from their times in the USSR.

When you have your own army defecting, they to would likely have access to such weapons.


The Ukrainians couldn't find them when the Russians were choppering in.
If nothing else it says which side is showing more restraint in this conflict.

/The local government has every right to kick protesters out of government buildings.
/If it really had nothing to do with Russian provocation, this would be a civil unrest matter.
/Putin would have nothing to say.
 
2014-05-02 09:48:12 AM  

TommyDeuce: It's gone from walking to jogging. Not at a run yet, but the faster it goes, the harder it is to stop. Or turn around.

/Glad to be too old to draft.


Don't worry, if it really hits the fan they will get to us old guys eventually.  Once they are vaporizing people on the battlefield they'll need fresh fodder.

However, I do not think it's very likely, so I will just count on drinking beer and watching TV.
 
2014-05-02 09:49:28 AM  
Wow the Russian propaganda in the comments of FTA is pure gold.
 
2014-05-02 09:49:41 AM  

brandent: Just like Georgia then right?


I'm going to assume you aren't implying that Georgia is a NATO member just that nothing happened when Russia went to war against Georgia.

You have to admit, this time it's different.  There are already sanctions in place, and more on the way.  And more importantly, the political will is there globally to stop Russia this time.  Secondly, Russia's economy is in even worse shape today than in '08 so they have to be mindful of the fallout if the war turns into an occupation and lasts more than a few months.  And lastly, the US and Britain aren't nearly as stuck in two useless wars or occupation.
 
2014-05-02 09:49:45 AM  
Russia is going in in the next 12 to 48 hours if I had to guess. This is just what Putin was looking for, aggression by the Ukrainian military. He will spin it at home as agression aginst civilians and peaceful protesters. The fact that russian military is already in country and causing all this mess won't matter, they will just deny reality. RT is already saying that the self defence forces were trying to help the helicopter pilots and completely ignoring the fact that they shot them down.
There is little we can do militarily because any agression will be used by Putin to justify an even greater amount of bloodshed. He's trying to frame this a new Cold War. It's not, the Cold War was between super powers. Right now Russia is a back water shiathole with a life expectancy 20 below Western Europe.
The best thing we can do after Russia invades is turn the sanctions up to eleventy and try to hurt what little economic prospects they have going at the moment.
 
2014-05-02 09:50:41 AM  

sprawl15: feickus: made these numbers up

well duh since you didn't include big forces of like pakistanis or sri lankans

whosits_112: This isn't our fight unless a NATO country gets invaded.

this sounds like a pre-sinking of the maine mentality


How so? We can't just go in and start a massive land war when any tin pot dictator decides to start shiat up in a neighboring country that isn't even an ally of ours. And believe me, this would turn into a massive land war.
 
2014-05-02 09:51:32 AM  

cgraves67: I don't relish the war this will inevitably lead to, but Ukraine really needed to step up and exert their sovereignty in this matter. You're not a real nation if you can't provide law and order in the territories that you claim.


http://www.scribd.com/doc/221029434/Horsford-Letter
 
2014-05-02 09:54:40 AM  

way south: So the assembly of "totally not the russian military" protesters just happened to have anti-aircraft weapons.
Wouldn't you know it....



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2014-05-02 09:54:54 AM  

Pocket Ninja: Well, you know, it's just your everyday local mob armed with surface to air missiles.


My first thought.  Although the line will be that the civilian rabble stole them from amories to protect themselves from the nefarious Ukrainians.

And BTW, Stay safe, Ukrainian farkers.  It's gonna be a bumpy night.
 
2014-05-02 09:55:06 AM  
Yeah.... "civilian supporters" dont have farking anti aircraft missiles, sorry.  This is about as solid proof that its actually Russian military backed operations that you're going to find.

/Aside from that audio tape released by Ukraine intelligence, where they recorded "demonstrators" phoning Russian command asking for anti-tank weapons, which they then told them would be sent along with personnel who have special training and experience with destroying armored vehicles...
 
2014-05-02 09:55:21 AM  

Bio-nic: Pocket Ninja: Well, you know, it's just your everyday local mob armed with surface to air missiles.

Have you been to Detroit lately?


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2014-05-02 09:55:44 AM  

optimistic_cynic: Wow the Russian propaganda in the comments of FTA is pure gold.


It's like reading comments from Bush supporters on the interwebs, circa 2003.
 
2014-05-02 09:56:17 AM  

Maul555: WTF...  How does a bunch of "locals" shoot down 2 farking helicopters?  Even with simple AA guns you need some experience with the thing to reliably shoot anything down, and missiles cost a lot of money and are tightly controlled...  so WTF?

/me gives russia the stink eye *


Two or more can play that game.

"Hey Ukraine, we were just going though our stockpiles, and realized that we have too many Javelins, SMAWs and SRAWs, and a bunch of Ravens... we don't know what to do with them so how about we drop some of them off in your neck of the woods?  Maybe you could use them for defense some day, if you think you ever need 'em."

Who am I kidding, nobody in our current government has the balls to do that.  Let's head to Ronald Reagan Presidential Library, bring some shovels and that vial of zombieflu.
 
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